The Rock: Thank you, Oprah, for having me.
Thank you, guys.
Oprah: So, your father was very strict.
Now, here's the thing.
You've gone one on one with some fierce competitors in the ring, right?
But now you were in one of the scariest situations any man can be in raising three daughters.
The Rock: Yes.
Yes, extremely scary.
Oprah: And are you a strict Dad?
The Rock: I am.
Not super strict, but discipline is important.
But also, you know, I'll go back to my dad.
My dad loved me with a small capacity in which he was capable of.
So, I learned from that and so with my daughters, I want to be as full and as present with the
love that I give them.
Oprah: Present, yes.
That's what we were talking about.
What do you want to make sure that they get that you didn't get?
And it's so interesting when you have children, I've seen this from a lot of people who, you
didn't get what you needed.
You just didn't get what you needed because of what The Rock just said, your parents didn't
have the capacity to give it to you.
And now that you're older, you have to learn to give that to yourself and to be able to
give that to your children in a way that you don't carry on what was done to you.
So, what is it you want your daughters to know about the way you love them?
The Rock: I want my daughters to know that I love them unconditionally, truly, unconditionally
without condition.
And I have a daughter who's 18 years old, her name is Simone.
Jasmine who just turned four, baby, Tiana, thank you who is getting ready to turn two.
And I am as I told my 18-year-old daughter, Simone, I said I love you.
I'm going to tell you I love you every day, I'm going to text you I love you…
Oprah: So, you're one of those who say the words out loud?
The Rock: Yes, because I didn't get that.
And I look at you, I love you and I'm going to text you.
But I also told her, I'm unattached.
You don't even have to text me back.
Right?
You could text me back.
It's fine.
But you don't have to, like it's okay.
It's without condition.
It's unconditional love.
And I also want to teach my daughters the value of hard work.
More importantly, I want to teach my daughters the value of being kind, and how important
that is.
Oprah: Well, you know, I read that your father, you used to watch him in training, and he
would say, “If I'm going to get up at 6:00 AM, you're going to get up at 6:00 AM.”
So, what do you think you've got the most from him?
Was it your work ethic?
What was it?
The Rock: It was definitely my work ethic.
My dad was a man who, against the odds, made it.
But he would get up at usually 5:00, 5:30 in the morning, and he would say if I get
up, you're going to get up too.
He would drag me to the gym and by the way, I'm five years old, and he would drag me to
the gym.
Yes.
And I wouldn't work out, but he would just make sure that I was there and be with him,
and that was our time that we could spend together.
But I would say my work ethic from my dad, my dad always said too that, regardless of
what you do in life and where you go, respect is going to be given when it's earned.
And you have to go out and earn it every single day.
Oprah: Yeah.
So, your dad taught you a lot.
I wonder, what have your daughters taught you?
The Rock: My daughters taught me how to be I think more caring and more sensitive and
more selfless.
Oprah: Yeah.
Were you there for all of them when they were born?
The Rock: I was right there.
Oprah: Right there?
The Rock: I mean, right there.
Yes.
Oprah: I mean, you were right there.
The Rock: I was right there.
Yes.
And bring it on.
I mean, this is our moment.
Yes.
Oprah: Yeah.
Yeah.
And is that a life-changing moment, when that happens for you?
The Rock: It's the greatest thing that I have ever experienced in my life.
And it gave me such a profound respect for my babies’ mamas.
I have two.
I was once married and now I'm happily married.
Lauren is back there.
We've known each other for 13 years now but I have, it has been the most profound experience
of my life because also too, you know, when you meet...
As a man, you meet someone, you meet a woman, and this is going to be the one and you want
to get married and my first marriage didn't work out.
But then the birth of a child and what that does and the lens perspective that just shifts
and it just gives me a new profound respect for again, their moms as...
Oprah: So, it didn't work out with the marriage, but then she became your business partner,
your first marriage?
The Rock: She did.
Yes, yes.
Oprah: And you still are.
The Rock: We still are.
So, my ex-wife, Dany, we, the marriage didn't work out.
And it was just one of those things where it wasn't an ugly divorce, it was just marriage
wasn't in our cards.
We’re great friends.
Marriage wasn't in our cards, but we both had an appetite for business and to accomplish
things.
And we thought, “Well, what if we continued to do business together and do you think we
can?”
And it felt like we could make something happen and we did.
Oprah: I know you didn't grow up with a lot of money.
And I read the story about when, I think you were 15, and there was an eviction notice
on the door and how that made a big impression on you, right?
The Rock: It did.
Yes.
Oprah: Now, you’re one of the highest-paid actors in the world.
The Rock: Thank you.
I do all right.
Thank you.
Oprah: You do all right.
And does that title, the sexiest man alive, the highest paid in the...
What do those titles mean if anything?
You're the greatest, you're the most popular, you're the most followed, you're the most,
you’re the most, the most, the most, the most.
The Rock: It's great for the ego.
It's wonderful.
Oprah: Yeah, the better question is, how do you keep your ego in check when all of that
is happening around?
The Rock: Sure.
Very important.
People I have around me and how important that is...
Oprah: Do you have anybody who can tell you the truth at this point?
The Rock: Yeah, she's called my wife.
Yes.
Oprah: Okay.
Lauren can tell you the truth?
The Rock: Yes, Lauren can tell me the truth.
But by the way, and this is where it's the tricky thing for us to being in this position,
is we want to make sure that we have people around us who are inspired to do well and
reach for and continue to share our vision, but also at time say, well, I'm not quite
sure if that's the right thing to do.
So, look, I've had a wonderful career, especially coming from being evicted.
And those titles are nice, and everything is fine.
But honestly, I'm so grateful to be in the position I’m in and I never take anything
for granted.
I try not to…
Oprah: Aren’t you glad that you were once evicted, because it gives you such an appreciation
for what you have now?
The Rock: It just gives such perspective.
When we were 14 years old, we lived in Hawaii and we lived in a small efficiency apartment.
And we were, my mom and I came home, and I'll never forget the rent was $180 a week.
And there was an eviction…
Oprah: A week?
The Rock: A week.
And that was an eviction notice on the door.
And it was, this was the one, it was the final eviction notice, like, that's the one.
My mom started crying, and I never forgot in that moment, it was a seminal moment for
me because I felt like I never want to be in this position again.
What can I do?
So, at 14 years old, I thought, well, the heroes in my life, Muhammad Ali, for example,
professional wrestlers, they're all men who have worked hard with their hands and they
built their body.
Yes, that's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna do what my dad taught me and these other heroes, I'm gonna go build my body so,
we're never evicted again, but being evicted, by the way, has as you were saying has not
only given me just great perspective, but also great gratitude, but also my team and
my family, we laugh at it, but I feel this way like, “Oh, well, you know, we're a month
away from being evicted.
I gotta go to work.”
Like, I still have that in my head.
Oprah: You still have that?
The Rock: I still have that in my head, you know, but it keeps you grounded by the way.
Yeah, because that's why the most this and the most that again, it's wonderful.
But the alternative is what I once was.
Oprah: And it also doesn't change the way you're wired because I still save toast.
I do.
I will save a toast rather than throw it away.
And I know there's going to be more toast, but I still do because there's something in
me because when we were growing up, we had to save it.
You know, you weren't allowed to like throw food away.
So, that was a really big deal.
So, here's the deal.
You have now the... you get the biggest paychecks, you have all this money, acclaim, fame, you
didn't have that growing up.
How do you raise children who have good sense, and are also kind when they have everything?
Because part of what made you who you are, is having had that eviction notice and having
not had everything.
So, how do you do that, how are you planning to do that with your children?
The Rock: So, for example, with our 18-year-old daughter, it was really important that we
share those stories, share the stories about being evicted.
Her mom's parents were immigrants who came over from Cuba.
It's important that we've always shared those stories and also, we live, we try and keep
it as simple as we possibly can.
I live, we have a farm in Virginia, happily to say that I've moved my family here to Atlanta,
so…
Oprah: Yaay!
The Rock: Place 30, 45 minutes away where it's very quiet, but also just making sure
that we continue to instill in the babies and the kids the value of $1 and what it means
and the value of food and always saying how grateful we are and the things that we're
grateful for, especially at that young age.
Oprah: So, I want to know, how is success different from the way you imagined it would
be?
The Rock: I never imagined this.
I, at one time when I was a kid, I did feel in my heart and in my gut, that I was... that
I thought, I think the world's going to hear from me.
I don't know how, but I do feel that way.
But I never thought in my mind, it was this level of success or fame even.
It was, I don't know how but the world is going to hear from me.
So, you know, which is maybe why you know, at times, I could walk around and I could
look at things like I'm a big kid, like everything can at times can be like I'm in Willy Wonka's
Chocolate Factory, where I'm just really in awe of everything that's really happening
around me.
Oprah: What's the first thing you splurged on when you realize you had enough to splurge?
The Rock: Okay.
So, all right.
The first thing I splurged on, so when I was a kid, 14 years old, 13, 14 years old, in
my mind, what it meant to be successful, it was a Rolex watch, right.
So, there was such a valuable lesson out of this.
So, I thought for years oh, wait, everyone, every successful man has a Rolex watch and
has diamonds in it.
So, when I finally was making a little bit of money, and this was in 1999, and I thought,
okay, and by the way, I was still living in an apartment paying monthly rent but again.
Oprah: Oh, you renting and buying a Rolex?
The Rock: I was just renting, horrible financial…
Oprah: You should definitely if you're buying a Rolex, okay.
The Rock: Yes.
This is what not to do.
So, I thought, this is it.
I'm gonna splurge and I went, and I got myself a Rolex.
And I wore it at that time I was wrestling.
I was in the ring, not for a match, but I was doing an interview in the ring.
And I wore it in the ring and a melee broke out, which always happens in the wild world
of professional wrestling.
One of the wrestlers fell on the Rolex when it came off, it broke, live TV and you see
me, “Oh my gosh, my Rolex.”
And I'm supposed to be in the moment and wrestling these other guys.
“Oh, no.
My Rolex.”
Like, you can see the tape I'm trying to get my Rolex and somebody's like kicking me in
the ribs while I’m trying to get it.
So, I finally got my Rolex back.
I go backstage, I look at it, I'm heartbroken now.
This is my thing.
And I go home that night and I remember immediately thinking this is a sign.
And I…
Oprah: Oh, I believe in signs, you know.
The Rock: Yes, it's a sign and I don't need it.
And it wasn't right for me at that time, and I never got anything like that again.
Oprah: And so now do you just, do splurge carefully?
The Rock: I do.
I'm not a big bling guy or anything like that.
And I always want to just make sure that now the splurge is usually with property.
Like we have two properties that way, because...
Oprah: I believe in real estate.
The Rock: Yes, Yes, you do.
Yes.
Oprah: I do, I Yes.
I love property the way some women love shoes, you know?
I do.
I do.
Because God isn't making any more land.
Okay.
The Rock: That's right.
Oprah: This is what we got here on the planet Earth.
You're not getting any more.
The Rock: Yeah, that's right.
And also, the properties are our anchor.
It's where we could be comfortable.
And so that and I have a few pickup trucks.
That’s it.
Oprah: Just a few.
So, I remember reading this, that it was like WrestleMania 13 and you're still being called
Rocky.
And there were a bunch of fans at the time who were jeering you and they were saying
unkind things.
And you used that moment and literally turned on your heels and turned it around.
And you know, this whole vision tour is about people who've been knocked down sometimes
in life, everybody, you know, not in a ring, but have had those moments where you didn't
feel like the rest of the world saw you for who you needed to be.
How were you able to turn that around?
The Rock: Okay.
So, thank you for bringing that up.
So, this is, it was a turning point in my career, and it really allowed me to grow.
And it really allowed me just to be me and be anchored in with who I am.
So, when I first started wrestling, the idea was, well, why don't you call yourself Rocky
Maivia out of respect for your dad, Rocky Johnson, and your grandfather, Peter Maivia.
I hated the name.
And I thought well, I just wanted to make my own way.
And I wanted to be independent.
I love my family, but I don't want to do it like that because it feels like I'm trying
to leverage their fame.
The powers that be said, “No, that's your name.”
I was also told, well, when you go out and you wrestle, you have to smile.
I want you to smile big.
This is in the WWE.
Oprah: Why are you smiling if you…
The Rock: Because the idea was, I was a rookie in the wrestling business.
I was a, what's called the wrestling business as a term called babyface, which is a good
guy.
I was being groomed as a good guy, wrestler, young.
The idea was you're grateful, grateful for the opportunity so when you go out there,
I want you to smile.
You can't smile enough.
And I thought, “Well, what if I lose?
Nope.
Yes, exactly.
You still gotta smile and it just didn't feel right.
That didn't sit right with me.
So, a few months later, the company made me the Intercontinental Champion.
And then a month later we go into the annual biggest event.
It's like the SuperBowl of wrestling, WrestleMania and it was WrestleMania 13.
By the time I got to Chicago WrestleMania, 16,000 people in the middle of the ring when
I was in the ring and I'm supposed to be a good guy and they're supposed to cheer me;
16,000 people were chanting, “Rocky sucks”.
Thank you for laughing, the few of you.
But it was...
Oprah: Can you hear the word sucks clearly when you're on the mat Rocky sucks?
The Rock: Yes.
Oprah: Yeah, Rocky sucks.
The Rock: There's a reverb that happens in the arena.
And when in unison, not one person, “You suck.”
16,000.
And I was, I remember laying there in the ring and the referee said to me, “Don't
look to them” And it was crippling for me.
So, then, at that time, the powers that be thought, this isn't going to work.
And for whatever reason, people are not liking you, and they're not connecting with you.
And so, in that moment, it was very defining because I asked them if I could just be myself
and if I could go out there, and if I can speak to the crowd, and if I could just be
myself and be authentic.
And if I don't want to smile, I don't smile.
If I want to laugh, I laugh.
If I want to sing, I sing whatever it is, I just want to be me.
Can I have that for one minute of live TV time?
The powers that be at that time, Vince McMahon said, “You got it.”
So, on Raw live TV, I grabbed a microphone and I said, “I may be a lot of things but
sucks isn't one of them.”
And I said something to the effect of basically it's not a this thing, it’s not a that thing,
it's a me being myself thing.
And before you know it, I guess the moral of the story is the importance and the power
of finding your identity and being true to who you are.
Even in that wild world of pro wrestling, it still applies to everyone in the room,
and how powerful that could be because there was a true shift and click moment.
And I never looked back and I became, fortunately, the biggest draw that the business has ever
seen.
Oprah: Wow.
You know, I was talking earlier about intention, and you have acquired and continue to acquire
a lot as you're continuing to build Seven Bucks.
What is the purest, highest, truest intention behind it all?
Because I know, at the end of the day, it isn't all about fame and it isn't all about
making money.
So, the reason why you want to continue to grow and succeed is what?
The Rock: To create an amazing experience for people.
And that's important to me because that's an opportunity that I have to give joy and
help, whether it transforms or a movie or a thing or whatever it is like the audience's
experience, audience experience is something that's deeply personal to me.
And I think that goes back to when I would, so before the bright lights of the WWE, I
was wrestling in a small wrestling company.
I would wrestle in flea markets and use car dealerships.
You put a ring in the used car dealership in the parking lot, but the reason why I bring
that up and state fairs, but there was an intimacy there and even at that level, it
was always about well, how can I send the audience home happy and make people feel good?
And by the way, I also feel like if you're in a position to make people feel good, that
is such a powerful thing.
It's such a powerful.
Oprah: Yeah.
I know we did you for a masterclass for OWN and something you said really stuck with me,
that the most powerful thing you can ever do is to be yourself.
The Rock: Be yourself.
Yes.
Oprah: And you were talking about that earlier, about that moment that you learned to be authentic
is when everything changed.
The Rock: That's when everything changed.
It's like a shift and click moment when we, for me when I realize there's great power
and being myself, same thing for all of us.
But I do.
I believe it's the most powerful thing that we could be.
It's easier said than done because I struggled for a long time trying to figure out well,
what's my identity?
And who am I?
And, for example, when I got to Hollywood, the very first time I got to Hollywood in
the early 2000s, I was told, again, well, if you want to be a star, then maybe you shouldn't
talk about wrestling, maybe you shouldn't go to the gym as much, maybe you shouldn't
raise your silly eyebrow.
And you know, there was a lot of things like that, and when you don't know you buy into
it.
And so, I thought, okay, well maybe...
So, don't call yourself The Rock.
Okay.
So, again, I went through that in process for years trying to figure out who I was.
And then when you look back at my earlier career, the films I was doing, they were good,
but just not, you know, like “Oh, that's how I like to see him because he is his true
authentic self.”
Oprah: And have you had a sweet revenge moment?
The Rock: Yeah, who sucks now, huh?
Yeah.
Oprah: One of those.
The Rock: One of those.
Yes, it was...
Okay.
So, at this time when I felt like okay, I really need to make a change in my career,
I need to be me, and I want to have the kind of career that is a global career.
And I said, I am not quite sure how we're going to do it.
But I need you to buy into the vision with me and I'm willing to put in the work with
my own two hands as I was telling my agency at that time in Hollywood.
And they all looked at me like I had three heads and they thought, well, we just don't...
They've thought, okay, sure, sure, sure, sure, kind of placating me.
And then eventually I'd left them and then decided, you know what?
My name is The Rock and I come from the world of professional wrestling.
And I look the way I look.
And I talk the way I talk, and I love to work out.
And you know what, this is who I'm going to be.
And then here I am today.
So, for those who said, we don't get it, kind of sweet revenge.
Oprah: So, you posted on Instagram in November, “Joy and hope cost nothing” remember this?
The Rock: Yes.
Oprah: And yet, it's the most powerful gift that we can all give.
And that's the real magic to life.
So, after everything that you've been through, particularly this past week, what are you
now most grateful for today?
The Rock: I'm most grateful for life.
I'm most grateful for an opportunity, I’m most grateful for my family.
I'm most...
Gratitude is a big thing with me.
I mean, it is truly my anchor.
Yes…
Oprah: Mine too.
The Rock: It's my anchor, and I wake up with a heart full of gratitude, and even in death
and even when things don't go right and even though I didn't make it to the NFL me, making
it to the NFL was the best thing that never happened.
Yes.
Because it also gave me a great sense of gratitude to be here.
So, I would say that it would be...
And also, I want to tell you, and I’ll tell you this Oprah, and I want to tell you guys
like I was so excited to come here and do this with you and share a little bit of my
story and background and any kind of wisdom that I have learned over the years to share
with you guys.
But I want you to know that especially this week of just, you know, laying my dad to rest
I needed this from you, and I thank you, truly.
Thank you.
Oprah: Thank you.
Thank you.
The Rock: Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I did.
I love you back, I truly do.
Oprah: That’s a good mana y'all just gave.
It’s a good mana.
The Rock: Thank you.
I did.
I needed this and I needed this.
I needed the love and this mana because what I also realized is and I felt it coming in
is that you know you go to Rock concerts and things and events and wrestling matches or
whatever.
But you know, when you come to this room and you have thousands, 12, 13, 15,000 people
who have one intention which is to be better and give so much love and receive so much
love, it's a powerful thing.
Oprah: Yeah, it is a very powerful thing.
Thank you for being here today to share it.
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The Rock：谢谢你，奥普拉，邀请我。
感谢你们。
奥普拉：所以，你父亲非常严格。
现在，事情就是这样。
您已经与一些激烈的竞争对手进行了一对一的比赛 ，对吧？
但现在你处于 任何男人抚养三个女儿时最可怕的境地之一。
岩石：是的。
是的，非常可怕。
奥普拉：你是一个严格的爸爸吗？
岩石：我是。
不是特别严格，但纪律很重要。
但是，你知道，我会回到我父亲身边。
我父亲以他有能力的小能力爱我 。
所以，我从中学到了，所以和我的女儿们一起， 我想像我给他们的爱一样充实和存在
。
奥普拉：现在，是的。
这就是我们所说的。
你想确保他们 得到你没有得到的什么？
当你有孩子的时候很有趣， 我从很多人那里看到了这一点，你
没有得到你需要的东西。
你只是没有得到你需要 的东西，因为 The Rock 刚才说的话，你的父母
没有能力给你。
现在你年纪大了，你必须学会 把它给自己，并且能够
以一种你 不继续对你做过的事情的方式把它给你的孩子。
那么，你想让你的女儿 知道你爱她们的方式是什么？
The Rock：我想让我的女儿们知道 我无条件地、真正地、无条件地无条件地爱着她们
。
我有一个 18 岁的女儿， 她的名字叫 Simone。
刚满四岁的茉莉，宝贝，蒂安娜， 谢谢你正准备满二岁。
正如我对我 18 岁的女儿 西蒙娜所说的那样，我说我爱你。
我要告诉你我每天都爱你， 我要给你发短信我爱你……
奥普拉：所以，你是那些大声说出这些话的人之一 ？
The Rock：是的，因为我没听懂。
我看着你，我爱你，我要给 你发短信。
但我也告诉她，我不依附。
你甚至不必给我回短信。
对？
你可以给我回短信。
没关系。
但你不必这样做，就像没关系一样。
是没有条件的。
是无条件的爱。
我也想教我的女儿 们努力工作的价值。
更重要的是，我想教我的女儿们 善良的价值，以及善良的
重要性。
奥普拉：嗯，你知道，我读到你父亲， 你曾经看他训练，他
会说，“如果我早上 6:00 起床 ，你会在早上 6 点起床 :00 上午。”
那么，你认为你从他身上得到的最多的 是什么？
是你的职业道德吗？
它以前如何？
The Rock：这绝对是我的职业道德。
我父亲是一个逆势而上的 人。
但是他通常会在早上5:00，5: 30起床，他会说如果
我起床，你也会起床。
他会把我拉到健身房，顺便说一句， 我五岁了，他会把我
拉到健身房。
是的。
我不会锻炼，但他会 确保我在那里并和他在一起
，那是我们可以一起度过的时间 。
但我想说的是我父亲的职业道德， 我父亲也总是说，无论
你在生活中做什么，去 哪里，只要得到尊重，就会得到尊重。
你必须每天出去挣钱 。
奥普拉：是的。
所以，你爸爸教了你很多。
我想知道，你的女儿教过 你什么？
The Rock：我的女儿们教会了我如何让 我觉得更有爱心、更敏感、
更无私。
奥普拉：是的。
当他们出生时，你在他们身边 吗？
The Rock：我就在那儿。
奥普拉：就在那儿？
The Rock：我的意思是，就在那儿。
是的。
奥普拉：我的意思是，你就在那儿。
The Rock：我就在那儿。
是的。
并带上它。
我的意思是，这是我们的时刻。
是的。
奥普拉：是的。
是的。
那是一个改变生活的时刻吗，当这 发生在你身上时？
The Rock：这是我一生中经历过的最伟大的事情 。
这让我对 我孩子的妈妈们产生了深深的敬意。
我有两个。
我曾经结过婚，现在结婚很幸福。
劳伦回来了。
我们已经认识了 13 年，但 我认识了，这是我一生中最深刻的经历
，因为同样，你知道，当 你遇见......
作为一个男人，你遇见一个人，你遇见一个女人， 这将是你
想要结婚的那个，而我的第一次婚姻没有 成功。
但是后来一个孩子的出生以及它的 作用以及刚刚发生变化的镜头视角，
它再次让我对他们的妈妈产生了新的深切 敬意，他们的妈妈...
奥普拉：所以，婚姻并没有成功， 但后来她成了你的商业伙伴，
你的第一次婚姻？
岩石：她做到了。
是的是的。
奥普拉：你仍然是。
岩石：我们仍然是。
所以，我的前妻，丹妮，我们，婚姻没有 成功。
这只是其中一件事， 不是丑陋的离婚，只是
婚姻不在我们的考虑范围之内。
我们是好朋友。
婚姻不在我们的考虑范围之内，但我们 都有做生意和完成事情的胃口
。
我们想，“好吧，如果我们继续 一起做生意，你认为我们
可以吗？”
感觉就像我们可以做点什么 ，我们做到了。
奥普拉：我知道你长大后并没有 很多钱。
我读过这个故事，我想你 是 15 岁，门上贴着驱逐通知
，这给你留下了深刻的 印象，对吧？
岩石：确实如此。
是的。
奥普拉：现在，你是世界上收入最高的 演员之一。
摇滚：谢谢。
我没事。
谢谢你。
奥普拉：你做得很好。
那个头衔，最性感的男人 ，世界上收入最高的男人……
如果有的话，这些头衔是什么意思？
你是最伟大的，你是最受欢迎的， 你是最受关注的，你是最多的，
你是最多的，最多的，最多的， 最多的。
The Rock：这对自我来说很棒。
太棒了。
奥普拉：是的，更好的问题是， 当所有这些都发生时，你如何控制你的自我
？
岩石：当然。
很重要。
我周围的人以及这有多 重要……
奥普拉：你有没有人可以 在这一点上告诉你真相？
The Rock：是的，她叫我妻子。
是的。
奥普拉：好的。
劳伦能告诉你真相吗？
The Rock：是的，Lauren 可以告诉我真相。
但顺便说一句，这 就是我们处于这个位置的棘手之处
，我们是否希望确保 我们周围的人受到鼓舞，能够做得很好，
实现并继续分享我们的愿景， 但是 有时也说，好吧，我不太
确定这是否是正确的做法。
所以，看，我的职业生涯很精彩， 尤其是在被驱逐之后。
这些标题很好，一切 都很好。
但老实说，我很感激能 处于我所处的位置，我从不认为任何事情都是
理所当然的。
我尽量不...
奥普拉：你不高兴你曾经 被驱逐，因为它让你
对你现在拥有的东西如此感激？
The Rock：它只是给出了这样的观点。
当我们 14 岁时，我们住在夏威夷 ，我们住在一个小型高效公寓里。
我们是，我妈妈和我回到家，我永远 不会忘记每周 180 美元的租金。
还有一次驱逐……
奥普拉：一个星期？
岩石：一周。
那是门上的驱逐通知。
它是，这是一个，这是最后的 驱逐通知，就像，就是那个。
我妈妈开始哭了，我永远不会 忘记那一刻，那对我来说是一个开创性的时刻，
因为我觉得我再也不想 处于这个位置了。
我能做什么？
所以，在 14 岁的时候，我想，嗯， 我生命中的英雄，比如穆罕默德·阿里，
职业摔跤手，他们都是 用双手努力工作并
锻炼身体的男人。
是的，这就是我要做的。
我会做我爸爸教给我和 其他英雄的事，我会去锻炼我的身体，这样
我们就不会再被驱逐了，但 顺便说一句，被驱逐
不仅给了我 不仅是伟大的观点， 也是伟大的感激之情，还有我的团队和
我的家人，我们对此一笑置之，但我有这样的 感觉，“哦，好吧，你知道，我们
距离被驱逐还有一个月的时间。
我得去上班了。”
就像，我仍然有这个想法。
奥普拉：你还有那个吗？
The Rock：你知道，我仍然有这个 想法，但它让你保持脚踏实地。
是的，因为这就是为什么最多这个 和最多那个，这太棒了。
但另一种选择是我曾经的样子。
奥普拉：而且它也不会改变 你的接线方式，因为我仍然保存吐司。
我做。
我会节省吐司而不是扔掉它。
而且我知道会有更多的吐司， 但我仍然这样做，因为我有一些东西，
因为当我们长大时，我们 必须保存它。
你知道，你不被允许喜欢把 食物扔掉。
所以，这真是一件大事。
所以，这就是交易。
你现在……你得到了最大的薪水， 你拥有所有这些钱、赞誉、名声，你
没有那种成长。
怎么养出懂事的孩子 ，什么都有？
因为让你成为现在的你的部分原因 是收到了驱逐通知，但还
没有拥有一切。
那么，您如何做到这一点，您 打算如何与您的孩子一起做到这一点？
The Rock：因此，例如，与我们 18 岁的 女儿
分享这些故事，分享关于 被驱逐的故事非常重要。
她妈妈的父母是 从古巴过来的移民。
重要的是我们一直分享这些 故事，而且，我们生活，
我们尽量保持简单。
我住，我们在弗吉尼亚有一个农场，很高兴 地说我已经把我的家人搬到了亚特兰大，
所以……
奥普拉：耶！
The Rock：距离 30、45 分钟路程的 地方非常安静，但也只是
确保我们继续向婴儿 和孩子们灌输 1 美元的价值及其含义
以及食物的价值，并始终说 我们是多么感激 以及我们
感激的事情，尤其是在那个年轻的时候。
奥普拉：所以，我想知道，成功 与您想象的方式有何不同
？
The Rock：我从来没有想过会这样。
我，在我还是个孩子的时候，我确实 在我的心里和我的直觉里感觉到，我是……
我想，我想全世界都会 听到我的声音。
我不知道如何，但我确实有这种感觉。
但我从来没有想过，甚至是这种 程度的成功或名望。
是的，我不知道怎么做，但世界 会听到我的声音。
所以，你知道，这也许就是为什么你知道 ，有时，我可以四处走动，我可以
看着一些事情，就像我是个大孩子一样 ，就像我在威利旺卡的
巧克力工厂一样， 我真的很 敬畏我周围发生的一切
。
奥普拉： 当你意识到你有足够的挥霍时，你挥霍的第一件事是什么？
岩石：好的。
所以，好吧。
我挥霍的第一件事，所以当我还是 个孩子的时候，14岁，13岁，14岁，在
我看来，成功意味着什么，那 就是劳力士手表，对吧。
因此，从中得到了宝贵的 教训。
所以，我想了好几年哦，等等， 每个成功的男人都有一块劳力士手表，里面
有钻石。
所以，当我终于 赚到一点钱时，那是在 1999 年，我想，
好吧，顺便说一句，我仍然住在 一个按月支付租金的公寓里，但又一次。
奥普拉：哦，你是租劳力士买的吗？
The Rock：我只是在租房，财务状况很糟糕……
Oprah：如果你要买劳力士，你绝对应该买 ，好吧。
岩石：是的。
这是不应该做的。
所以，我想，就是这样。
我要挥霍我去了，我给自己 买了一块劳力士。
我在摔跤的时候穿着它。
我在擂台上，不是为了比赛，而是 在擂台上接受采访。
我在擂台上戴着它，一场混战爆发 了，这在职业摔跤的狂野世界中总是发生
。
一位摔跤手在劳力士掉下来时摔倒在地 ，它坏了，电视直播，你看到
我，“哦，天哪，我的劳力士。”
我应该在那一刻与 其他人摔跤。
“不好了。
我的劳力士。”
就像，你可以看到我正试图拿到我的劳力士的磁带，
当我试图拿到它的时候，有人就像踢我的肋骨一样。
所以，我终于拿回了我的劳力士。
我去后台看看，我现在心碎 了。
这是我的事。
那天晚上我回家，我记得我立刻 认为这是一个迹象。
而我……
奥普拉：哦，我相信迹象，你知道的。
The Rock：是的，这是一个标志，我不需要 它。
那时它不适合我， 我再也没有得到过这样的东西。
奥普拉：所以现在你只是， 小心挥霍吗？
岩石：我愿意。
我不是一个大金光闪闪的家伙或类似的东西。
而且我总是想确保 现在挥霍通常与财产有关。
就像我们有两个房产那样，因为...
奥普拉：我相信房地产。
岩石：是的，是的，你知道。
是的。
奥普拉：我愿意，我是的。
我爱财产就像一些女人爱鞋子一样， 你知道吗？
我做。
我做。
因为上帝不再创造土地。
好的。
摇滚：没错。
奥普拉：这就是我们在 地球上得到的。
你再也得不到了。
摇滚：是的，没错。
而且，属性是我们的锚。
这是我们可以感到舒适的地方。
所以我有几辆皮卡车。
而已。
奥普拉：就几个。
所以，我记得读过这篇文章，就像 WrestleMania 13 一样，你仍然被称为
Rocky。
当时有一群粉丝 在嘲笑你，他们说的是
不友善的话。
而你利用了那一刻，从字面上 转过身来，转过身来。
而且你知道，这整个视觉之旅是关于 那些在生活中有时被击倒的人
，每个人，你知道，不是在一个戒指中， 但有过那些你不
觉得世界其他地方看到你的时刻 你需要成为什么样的人。
你是如何扭转局面的？
岩石：好的。
所以，谢谢你提出这个问题。
所以，这是我 职业生涯的转折点，它真的让我成长。
它真的让我只是做我自己，并 以我是谁为锚。
所以，当我第一次开始摔跤时，我的想法 是，
出于对你父亲 Rocky Johnson 和你的祖父 Peter Maivia 的尊重，你为什么不称自己为 Rocky Maivia。
我讨厌这个名字。
我想得很好，我只是想走 自己的路。
我想独立。
我爱我的家人，但我不想那样做 ，因为感觉就像我在
试图利用他们的名声。
被说的权力，“不，那是你的 名字。”
我还被告知，嗯，当你出去 摔跤时，你必须微笑。
我要你笑得灿烂。
这是在WWE。
奥普拉：你为什么要笑……
The Rock：因为这个想法是，我 是摔跤界的新手。
我是一个，所谓的摔跤界 ，一个叫做娃娃脸的人，这是一个
好人。
我被培养成一个好人，摔跤手， 年轻。
这个想法是你很感激，感激 这个机会，所以当你出去的时候，
我希望你微笑。
你笑得不够。
我想，“好吧，如果我输了怎么办？
不。
对，就是这样。
你仍然要微笑，只是感觉 不对劲。
那不适合我。
所以，几个月后，公司让我 成为了洲际冠军。
一个月后，我们进入了一年一度的 盛事。
这就像摔跤的超级碗，WrestleMania 和 WrestleMania
13。当我到达芝加哥 WrestleMania 时， 当我在擂台上时，有 16,000 人在擂台中间
，我应该是一个 好人，他们 我应该为我加油；
16,000 人高呼“洛基糟透了”。
谢谢你们的笑声，你们几个。
但它是......
奥普拉： 当你坐在垫子上的时候，你能清楚地听到“糟糕”这个词吗？
岩石：是的。
奥普拉：是的，洛基很烂。
The Rock：在舞台上发生了混响 。
当一致时，没有一个人，“你 糟透了。”
16,000。
我记得当时我躺在 擂台上，裁判对我说，“
别看他们”，这让我很痛苦。
所以，那么，在那个时候，被认为的权力 ，这是行不通的。
无论出于何种原因，人们不喜欢 你，他们没有与你联系。
因此，在那一刻，这是非常确定的， 因为我问他们我是否可以做我自己
，我是否可以出去，我是否可以 与人群交谈，我是否可以做
我自己并且是真实的。
如果我不想笑，我就不会笑。
如果我想笑，我就笑。
如果我想唱歌，我就唱什么， 我只想做我自己。
我可以拥有一分钟的电视直播 时间吗？
当时的权力，文斯麦克马洪 说，“你明白了。”
所以，在 Raw 直播电视上，我拿起麦克风 说：“我可能是很多东西，但
糟糕的不是其中之一。”
我说了一些 基本上不是这件事，不是那件事，
这是我做我自己的事情。
在你知道之前，我想这个故事的寓意
是找到你的身份并 忠于自己的重要性和力量。
即使在职业摔跤的狂野世界中， 它仍然适用于房间里的每个人，
这可能是多么强大，因为 有一个真正的转变和点击时刻。
而且我从未回头，幸运的是，我成为 了公司有史以来最大的吸引力
。
奥普拉：哇。
你知道，我之前谈到了意图 ，你已经获得并继续
获得很多，因为你正在继续建立七 块钱。
这一切背后最纯粹、最高、最真实的意图 是什么？
因为我知道，归根结底， 这不仅仅是为了名声，也不仅仅是
为了赚钱。
那么，你想要继续 成长和成功的原因是什么？
The Rock：为人们创造惊人的体验 。
这对我来说很重要，因为这是 一个我必须给予快乐和帮助的机会
，无论是转变还是一部电影或 一件事或任何观众的
体验，观众体验 对我来说都是非常个人化的。
我想这可以追溯到我想的时候， 所以在 WWE 的明亮灯光之前，我
在一家小型摔跤公司摔跤。
我会在跳蚤市场摔跤并使用汽车 经销商。
你在停车场的二手车经销店里放了一个戒指 ，但我之所以提出
这个和州博览会，但那里有一种 亲密感，即使在那个层面上，
它总是很好，我怎么能把 观众送到 回家开心，让人心情好？
顺便说一句，我也觉得如果 你能让人们感觉良好，那
是一件非常强大的事情。
它是如此强大。
奥普拉：是的。
我知道我们为 OWN 的大师班做了你，你说的一句话让 我印象深刻，
你能做的最强大的 事情就是做你自己。
岩石：做你自己。
是的。
奥普拉：你之前 说过，你学会真实的那
一刻就是一切都改变了。
The Rock：那时一切都变了。
这就像一个转变和点击的时刻， 对我来说，当我意识到强大的力量
和做我自己时，对我们所有人来说都是一样的。
但是我愿意。
我相信这是我们能做到的最强大的东西 。
说起来容易做起来难，因为我挣扎 了很长时间试图弄清楚，
我的身份是什么？
而我是谁？
例如，当我到好莱坞时， 在 2000 年代初我第一次到好莱坞时
，有人告诉我，好吧， 如果你想成为明星，那么也许你不应该
谈论摔跤， 也许你不应该 经常去健身房，也许你不应该
抬起你那愚蠢的眉毛。
而且你知道，有很多这样的 事情，当你不知道的时候，你就买
了。
所以，我想，好吧，也许……
所以，不要称自己为 The Rock。
好的。
所以，再一次，我多年来一直在经历这个过程 ，试图弄清楚我是谁。
然后当你回顾我早期的 职业生涯，我拍的电影，它们都很好，
但不是，你知道，就像“哦，这 就是我喜欢看他的方式，因为他是真实的
自己。”
奥普拉：你有过甜蜜的复仇时刻吗？
The Rock：是啊，现在谁很烂，是吧？
是的。
奥普拉：其中之一。
岩石：其中之一。
是的，它是……
好吧。
所以，在这个我觉得还行的时候，我 真的需要改变我的职业生涯，
我需要成为我自己，我想要拥有 一种全球性的职业生涯。
我说，我不太确定我们 要怎么做。
但我需要你和我一起接受这个愿景 ，我愿意用
我自己的双手投入工作，就像我当时在好莱坞告诉我的经纪公司一样 。
他们都看着我，好像我有三个 头，他们想，好吧，我们只是不......
他们认为，好吧，当然，当然，当然，当然， 有点安抚我。
然后最终我离开了他们，然后 决定，你知道吗？
我的名字是 The Rock，我来自 职业摔跤界。
我看起来像我的样子。
我说话的方式和我说话的方式，我喜欢 锻炼。
你知道吗，这就是我要 成为的人。
然后我今天就在这里。
所以，对于那些说，我们不明白的人， 有点甜蜜的报复。
奥普拉：所以，你在 11 月在 Instagram 上发布了 “快乐和希望不花钱”的帖子，还记得这个吗？
岩石：是的。
奥普拉：然而，这是我们所能给予的最有力的礼物 。
这就是生活的真正魔力。
那么，在你经历了一切之后， 尤其是过去一周，
今天你最感激的是什么？
The Rock：我非常感谢生活。
我非常感谢一个机会，我 非常感谢我的家人。
我最...
感恩对我来说很重要。
我的意思是，它确实是我的锚。
是的……
奥普拉：我的也是。
The Rock：这是我的锚，我醒来时 充满感激之心，即使在死亡中
，即使事情不顺利， 即使我没有进入 NFL，我
也进入了 NFL 是从未发生过的最好的事情 。
是的。
因为来到这里也让我非常感激 。
所以，我会说它会是......
而且，我想告诉你，我会告诉 你这个奥普拉，我想告诉你们
，我很高兴来到这里和 你们一起做这件事 并分享一点我的
故事和背景以及 我多年来学到的任何智慧
与你们分享。
但我想让你知道，特别是这 周，你知道，让我父亲休息，
我需要你的帮助，我真的很感谢你。
谢谢你。
奥普拉：谢谢。
谢谢你。
摇滚：谢谢。
太感谢了。
我做到了。
我爱你，我真的爱你。
奥普拉：你们刚才给的法力不错。
这是一个很好的法力。
摇滚：谢谢。
我做到了。
我需要这个，我需要这个。
我需要爱和这种法力，因为 我也意识到并且我觉得它的到来
是你知道你会去参加摇滚音乐会 、参加各种活动和摔跤比赛
等等。
但是你知道，当你来到这个房间时， 你有成千上万、12、13、15,000 人的目标
是变得更好 ，给予如此多的爱并接受如此多的
爱，这是一件很强大的事情。
奥普拉：是的，这是一个非常强大的东西。
感谢您今天来到这里分享它。