Aspen Baker A better way to talk about abortion

It was the middle of summer
and well past closing time

in the downtown Berkeley bar
where my friend Polly and I

worked together as bartenders.

Usually at the end of our shift
we had a drink – but not that night.

“I’m pregnant.

Not sure what I’m going
to do yet,” I told Polly.

Without hesitation, she replied,
“I’ve had an abortion.”

Before Polly, no one had ever told me
that she’d had an abortion.

I’d graduated from college
just a few months earlier

and I was in a new relationship
when I found out that I was pregnant.

When I thought about my choices,
I honestly did not know how to decide,

what criteria I should use.

How would I know what
the right decision was?

I worried that I would regret
an abortion later.

Coming of age on the beaches
of Southern California,

I grew up in the middle of
our nation’s abortion wars.

I was born in a trailer on the third
anniversary of Roe vs. Wade.

Our community was surfing Christians.

We cared about God, the less fortunate,
and the ocean.

Everyone was pro-life.

As a kid, the idea of abortion made me so
sad that I knew if I ever got pregnant

I could never have one.

And then I did.

It was a step towards the unknown.

But Polly had given me
a very special gift:

the knowledge that I wasn’t alone

and the realization that abortion
was something that we can talk about.

Abortion is common.

According to the Guttmacher Institute,
one in three women in America

will have an abortion in their lifetime.

But for the last few decades, the dialogue
around abortion in the United States

has left little room for anything beyond
pro-life and pro-choice.

It’s political and polarizing.

But as much as abortion is hotly debated,
it’s still rare for us,

whether as fellow women
or even just as fellow people,

to talk with one another
about the abortions that we have.

There is a gap.

Between what happens in politics
and what happens in real life,

and in that gap, a battlefield mentality.

An “are you with us
or against us?” stance takes root.

This isn’t just about abortion.

There are so many important issues
that we can’t talk about.

And so finding ways to shift the conflict
to a place of conversation

is the work of my life.

There are two main ways to get started.

One way is to listen closely.

And the other way is to share stories.

So, 15 years ago, I cofounded
an organization called Exhale

to start listening to people
who have had abortions.

The first thing we did was create
a talk-line, where women and men

could call to get emotional support.

Free of judgment and politics,
believe it or not, nothing like our sevice

had ever existed.

We needed a new framework that could
hold all the experiences that we were

hearing on our talk-line.

The feminist who regrets her abortion.

The Catholic who is grateful for hers.

The personal experiences that weren’t
fitting neatly into one box or the other.

We didn’t think it was right
to ask women to pick a side.

We wanted to show them that
the whole world was on their side,

as they were going through this deeply
personal experience.

So we invented “pro-voice.”

Beyond abortion, pro-voice works on hard
issues that we’ve struggled with globally

for years,

issues like immigration, religious
tolerance, violence against women.

It also works on deeply personal topics
that might only matter to you

and your immediate family and friends.

They have a terminal illness,
their mother just died,

they have a child with special needs
and they can’t talk about it.

Listening and storytelling are
the hallmarks of pro-voice practice.

Listening and storytelling.

That sounds pretty nice.

Sounds maybe, easy?
We could all do that.

It’s not easy.
It’s very hard.

Pro-voice is hard because we are talking
about things everyone’s fighting about

or the things that no one
wants to talk about.

I wish I could tell you that when you
decide to be pro-voice, that you’ll find

beautiful moments of breakthrough
and gardens full of flowers,

where listening and storytelling
creates wonderful “a-ha” moments.

I wish I could tell you that there would
be a feminist welcoming party for you,

or that there’s a long-lost sisterhood
of people who are just ready

to have your back when you get slammed.

But it can be vulnerable and exhausting
to tell our own stories

when it feels like nobody cares.

And if we truly listen to one another,

we will hear things that demand
that we shift our own perceptions.

There is no perfect time
and there is no perfect place

to start a difficult conversation.

There’s never a time when everyone will be
on the same page, share the same lens,

or know the same history.

So, let’s talk about listening
and how to be a good listener.

There’s lots of ways to be a good listener
and I’m going to give you just a couple.

One is to ask open-ended questions.

You can ask yourself or someone
that you know,

“How are you feeling?”

“What was that like?”

“What do you hope for, now?”

Another way to be a good listener
is to use reflective language.

If someone is talking about
their own personal experience,

use the words that they use.

If someone is talking about an abortion
and they say the word “baby,”

you can say “baby.”

If they say “fetus,”
you can say “fetus.”

If someone describes themselves
as gender queer to you,

you can say “gender queer.”

If someone kind of looks like a he,
but they say they’re a she – it’s cool.

Call that person a she.

When we reflect the language of the person
who is sharing their own story,

we are conveying that we are interested
in understanding who they are

and what they’re going through.

The same way that we hope people are
interested in knowing us.

So, I’ll never forget being in one
of the Exhale counselor meetings,

listening to a volunteer talk about how
she was getting a lot of calls

from Christian women who
were talking about God.

Now, some of our volunteers are religious,
but this particular one was not.

At first, it felt a little weird for her
to talk to callers about God.

So, she decided to get comfortable.

And she stood in front of her mirror
at home, and she said the word “God.”

“God.”

“God.”

“God.”

“God.”

“God.”

“God.”

Over and over and over again
until the word no longer felt strange

coming out her mouth.

Saying the word God did not turn this
volunteer into a Christian,

but it did make her a much
better listener of Christian women.

So, another way to be pro-voice
is to share stories,

and one risk that you take on, when you
share your story with someone else,

is that given the same
set of circumstances as you

they might actually
make a different decision.

For example, if you’re telling a story
about your abortion,

realize that she might have had the baby.

She might have placed for adoption.

She might have told her parents
and her partner – or not.

She might have felt relief and confidence,
even though you felt sad and lost.

This is okay.

Empathy gets created the moment we
imagine ourselves in someone else’s shoes.

It doesn’t mean we all have
to end up in the same place.

It’s not agreement, it’s not sameness
that pro-voice is after.

It creates a culture and a society that
values what make us special and unique.

It values what makes us human,
our flaws and our imperfections.

And this way of thinking allows us to see
our differences with respect,

instead of fear.

And it generates the empathy that we need

to overcome all the ways
that we try to hurt one another.

Stigma, shame, prejudice,
discrimination, oppression.

Pro-voice is contagious,
and the more it’s practiced

the more it spreads.

So, last year I was pregnant again.

This time I was looking forward
to the birth of my son.

And while pregnant, I had never been asked
how I was feeling so much in all my life.

(Laughter)

And however I replied, whether I was
feeling wonderful and excited

or scared and totally freaked out,

there was always someone there
giving me a “been there” response.

It was awesome.

It was a welcome, yet dramatic
departure from what I experience

when I talk about
my mixed feelings of my abortion.

Pro-voice is about the real stories
of real people

making an impact on the way abortion

and so many other politicized
and stigmatized issues

are understood and discussed.

From sexuality and mental health
to poverty and incarceration.

Far beyond definition
as single right or wrong decisions,

our experiences can exist on a spectrum.

Pro-voice focuses that conversation
on human experience

and it makes support and respect
possible for all.

Thank you.

(Applause)

那是仲夏

伯克利市中心酒吧的关门时间已过
,我和朋友波莉在

那里一起担任调酒师。

通常在我们轮班结束时,
我们喝了一杯——但那天晚上没有。

“我怀孕了。我

还不确定我
要做什么,”我告诉波莉。

她毫不犹豫地回答说:
“我堕胎了。”

在波莉之前,没有人告诉
我她堕胎过。 几个月前

我刚从大学毕业,

当我发现自己怀孕时,我开始了一段新的恋情。

当我考虑我的选择时,
老实说,我不知道如何决定,

我应该使用什么标准。

我怎么知道什么
是正确的决定?

我担心我以后会后悔
堕胎。 我在

南加州的海滩

长大,在
我们国家的堕胎战争中长大。

我出生在
罗伊大战韦德三周年的预告片中。

我们的社区正在浏览基督徒。

我们关心上帝、不幸者
和海洋。

每个人都反对生活。

小时候,堕胎的想法让我
很难过,以至于我知道如果我怀孕了,

我永远也不会怀孕。

然后我做到了。

这是迈向未知的一步。

但波莉给了我
一个非常特别的礼物

:知道我并不孤单,

并意识到堕胎
是我们可以谈论的事情。

堕胎很常见。

根据古特马赫研究所的数据,
美国三分之一的女性

将在其一生中堕胎。

但在过去的几十年里,
美国围绕堕胎的对话

几乎没有留下任何超越
支持生命和支持选择的空间。

这是政治的和两极分化的。

但是,尽管堕胎引起了激烈的争论,
但我们,

无论是作为女性同胞,
还是作为同胞,

彼此
谈论我们所拥有的堕胎仍然很少见。

有一个差距。

在政治
中发生的事情和现实生活中发生的事情之间,

以及在那个间隙中,一种战场心态。

“你支持我们
还是反对我们?” 立场扎根。

这不仅仅是关于堕胎。

有很多重要的
问题我们不能谈论。

因此,想办法将冲突转移
到谈话的地方

是我一生的工作。

有两种主要的入门方式。

一种方法是仔细聆听。

另一种方式是分享故事。

因此,15 年前,我与人共同创立
了一个名为 Exhale 的组织

,开始倾听
堕胎患者的心声。

我们做的第一件事是创建
一个谈话热线,女性和男性

都可以通过电话获得情感支持。

没有判断力和政治,
信不信由你,我们的服务

从未存在过。

我们需要一个新的框架来
容纳

我们在谈话线上听到的所有体验。

后悔堕胎的女权主义者。

对她心存感激的天主教徒。


适合一个盒子或另一个盒子的个人经历。

我们认为
要求女性选边站是不对的。

我们想向他们
展示整个世界都站在他们这一边,

因为他们正在经历这种深刻的
个人经历。

所以我们发明了“pro-voice”。

除了堕胎之外,pro-voice 还致力于
解决我们多年来在全球范围内一直在努力解决的难题,

例如移民、宗教
宽容、对妇女的暴力等问题。

它还适用于
可能只对您

和您的直系亲属和朋友重要的个人主题。

他们得了绝症,
他们的母亲刚刚去世,

他们有一个有特殊需要的孩子
,他们不能谈论这件事。

听力和讲故事
是专业语音练习的标志。

倾听和讲故事。

听起来很不错。

听起来可能,容易吗?
我们都可以做到。

这并不容易。
这很难。

支持声音很难,因为我们谈论的
是每个人都在争论

的事情,或者没有人
愿意谈论的事情。

我希望我能告诉你,当你
决定成为专业配音员时,你会发现

突破的美好时刻
和开满鲜花的花园

,聆听和讲故事
会创造出美妙的“啊哈”时刻。

我希望我能告诉你,
会有一个女权主义欢迎派对,

或者有一个失散已久的姐妹情谊

当你被抨击时,他们准备好支持你。

但是,当感觉没人在乎时
,讲述我们自己的故事可能会变得脆弱和疲惫

如果我们真的互相倾听,

我们会听到一些
要求我们改变自己看法的事情。

没有完美的时间
,也没有完美的

地方开始艰难的对话。

从来没有任何时候每个人都会
站在同一页上,分享同一个镜头,

或者了解相同的历史。

所以,让我们谈谈倾听
以及如何成为一个好的倾听者。

有很多方法可以成为一个好的倾听者
,我只给你几个。

一是提出开放式问题。

你可以问自己或
你认识的人,

“你感觉如何?”

“那是什么感觉?”

“你现在有什么希望?”

成为一个好的倾听者的另一种方法
是使用反思性语言。

如果有人在谈论
他们自己的个人经历,请

使用他们使用的词语。

如果有人在谈论堕胎
并且他们说“婴儿”这个词,

您可以说“婴儿”。

如果他们说“胎儿”,
您可以说“胎儿”。

如果有人
向您描述自己是性别酷儿,

您可以说“性别酷儿”。

如果有人看起来像他,
但他们说他们是她——这很酷。

称那个人为她。

当我们反映
分享他们自己故事的人的语言时,

我们在传达我们有
兴趣了解他们是谁

以及他们正在经历什么。

就像我们希望人们有
兴趣了解我们一样。

所以,我永远不会忘记参加
一次呼气辅导员会议,

听一位志愿者谈论
她如何接到很多

基督徒女性的电话,她们
在谈论上帝。

现在,我们的一些志愿者是虔诚的,
但这个特别的不是。

起初,她
对来电者谈论上帝感到有些奇怪。

于是,她决定安于现状。

而她站在家里的镜子前,
说出了“上帝”两个字。

“上帝。”

“上帝。”

“上帝。”

“上帝。”

“上帝。”

“上帝。”

一遍又一遍,
直到这个词

从她嘴里吐出时不再觉得奇怪。

说上帝这个词并没有让这个
志愿者变成基督徒,

但确实让她成为
基督徒女性更好的倾听者。

因此,另一种支持声音的方式
是分享故事

,当您与他人分享您的故事时,您承担的一个风险是,在

与您相同的情况下,

他们可能会
做出不同的决定。

例如,如果您正在讲述一个
关于堕胎的故事,请

意识到她可能已经生下了孩子。

她可能已经被收养了。

她可能已经告诉了她的父母
和她的伴侣——或者没有。 即使你感到悲伤和失落

,她也可能感到如释重负和自信

这没关系。

当我们想象自己站在别人的立场上时,就会产生同理心

这并不意味着我们都必须
在同一个地方结束。

支持声音的人追求的不是一致,也不是
同一性。

它创造了一种文化和社会,
重视使我们与众不同和独特的东西。

它重视使我们成为人类的因素,
我们的缺陷和不完美之处。

这种思维方式让我们能够
以尊重而不是恐惧来看待我们的差异

它产生了我们

需要克服所有
试图伤害彼此的方式的同理心。

污名、羞耻、偏见、
歧视、压迫。

Pro-voice具有传染性
,练习

得越多,传播得越多。

所以,去年我又怀孕了。

这一次,我期待
着我儿子的出生。

在怀孕期间,从来没有人问
过我这辈子的感受如何。

(笑声

) 不管我怎么回答,无论我是
感觉很棒、兴奋

还是害怕、完全吓坏了,

总有人
给我一个“去过那里”的回应。

太棒了。 当我谈论我对堕胎的复杂感受时

,这是一个受欢迎的,但
与我所经历的戏剧性的不同

Pro-voice 讲述了真实人物的真实故事,这些故事

对堕胎

和许多其他政治化
和污名化问题

的理解和讨论方式产生了影响。

从性和心理健康
到贫困和监禁。 我们的经验

远远超出
了单一正确或错误决定的定义,

我们的经验可以存在于一个范围内。

Pro-voice 将对话重点
放在人类体验上

,它使
所有人都能获得支持和尊重。

谢谢你。

(掌声)