Kathryn Kolbert The end of Roe v. Wade and what comes next TED

“What’s the Supreme Court
going to do about abortion?”

“They’re not really going to overturn
Roe v. Wade, are they?”

“They can’t do that, can they?”

I can’t tell you how many people
have asked me questions like this

in recent months.

It makes sense.

I have argued two abortion cases
in the US Supreme Court,

including the 1992 case
Planned Parenthood v. Casey,

which is credited with saving
Roe v. Wade.

I was a co-founder of the Center
for Reproductive Rights,

and I spent 20 years of my career

arguing on behalf of women
who needed abortions

and other reproductive health care.

So my answer is depressing but direct:

Roe v. Wade will be dead within the year.

The constitutional right to choose
whether or not to have an abortion

will no longer be protected
by the United States Constitution.

This court is likely
to overrule Roe and Casey

or so undermine its meaning

that it will be effectively
unavailable for use.

Now I heard your gasps,

I’m going to say it again.

The Federal Constitution
of the United States

will no longer protect
reproductive freedom.

Now I’m also here to tell you

that there’s hope.

That we can preserve, by working together,

our reproductive freedoms.

And by that, I mean more than just
the right to choose abortion.

By that, I mean the ability to make
decisions about becoming parents.

All people should have that right.

Whatever their race,
whatever their gender,

whoever they love,

all people ought to have the right
to decide to become parents

and the social supports that are necessary

to raise those children
with dignity and in safety.

So opponents argue three things

when they say they want to ban abortion.

They talk about religion;

they talk about protection
of fetal rights;

they talk about protection
of women’s health.

So let’s take those each in turn.

Religion.

You know, the reality of the world is

that the world’s religions have
a wide variety of views on abortion,

and many support them in a whole range
of different circumstances.

So when abortion opponents say religion,

they’re really just imposing
their religion on the rest of us.

And what about protection of fetal rights?

If in fact you cared
about protecting fetal rights,

you’d spend a lot of time
working to eliminate

the alarming rate of infant
mortality in this country.

(Applause)

Because in the United States,

we have one of the highest rates
of infant mortality

in the developed world.

They also should be supporting programs
for children once they are born.

(Applause)

You know, what about the protection
of women’s health?

Well, the reality is, abortion is already
an extremely safe surgical procedure.

It is safer than childbirth.

And imposing new restrictions on abortion
only makes it less safe.

In my view, what
we’re really talking about,

this fixation on abortion by opponents,

those people who want to ban abortion,

is all about controlling women.

And women are unable to operate,

to be equal participants in our society,

if we cannot control whether,
when and with whom we have children.

We cannot exercise
the fundamental human right

to make decisions about our bodies
and our destinies.

So why am I so convinced

that the Supreme Court
is going to overrule Roe and Casey

and take what is clearly a radical step?

Now, interestingly enough,

I learned everything I needed to know
to be successful in the Supreme Court

on “Sesame Street.”

(Laughter)

Why?

Because you’ve got to learn to count.

And the only number
that matters is five –

(Laughter)

which is a majority
of the justices on the Court.

Now, when Casey went
to the High Court in 1992,

I was convinced that there were
five justices then

prepared to overrule Roe

and return to the states
the ability to ban abortion.

I was correct.

Right after my argument,

the justices returned
to their conference room and took a vote,

and seven justices voted to uphold
the Pennsylvania restrictions

that were at issue in the case.

And then Chief Justice Rehnquist
wrote a draft opinion.

While he never said the magic words,
that Roe is fatal,

as Justice John Paul Stevens recently
wrote in his memoir,

the opinion effectively repudiated
the central holding of Roe.

Now, luckily, that opinion
was never filed in 1992.

At the last minute, Justice Anthony
Kennedy changed his mind,

and together with justices
Sandra Day O’Connor

and David Souter,

they issued what they called
a joint opinion.

And in it, they upheld the right of women
to obtain abortion up until viability,

usually between 24
and 28 weeks of pregnancy,

in all 50 states and US territories.

But the Casey decision
went a little further,

and it had permitted states
to enact barriers to abortion

as long as they weren’t undue
burdens on women.

And as a result,

in the following three decades,

we’ve seen states pass
hundreds of restrictions on abortion,

and the increasingly conservative
courts uphold those restrictions.

And as a result, we’ve seen a dwindling
availability of abortion.

Today, about 11 percent
of the counties in this country

that actually have an abortion provider.

There are six states
that have one abortion provider.

As we know, in the days before Roe,

women with means
were able to get abortions.

Other women, on the other hand,

even today –

low-income women,
women who live in rural areas,

teenagers, women of color,
women who are disabled –

all of whom have difficulty

accessing safe and affordable abortion.

Now the question is:
What’s going to happen now?

And unfortunately,
things are going to get worse.

There are currently three cases
pending in the Supreme Court,

two from Texas and one from Mississippi.

Now, most of you probably
have been following the Texas situation.

Texas passed a ban on abortion
at about six weeks of pregnancy.

It allowed any individual
to sue abortion providers.

Vigilantes could collect a bounty
of 10,000 dollars

for a violation of the law.

And as a result, many, many clinics,

probably most of the clinics in Texas,

have closed their doors

or have decreased the number
of abortions they performed.

It’s difficult.

But the critical piece about Texas

is that five justices –

remember that number five –

five justices already voted to permit
the Texas law to go into effect.

And besides the harm for women,

those justices are not really considering
the constitutionality of the act,

only who can be sued and where.

The more important case
is out of Mississippi.

There, there’s a ban on abortion
at 15 weeks of pregnancy.

Arguments were heard this week,
and in my view,

we are likely to see
at least five justices

overrule Roe and Casey

and send the question of abortion
back to the states.

Sesame Street, five votes.

And unfortunately, this time around,

there is no Justice Kennedy to save us.

Now, what’s going to happen
when Roe and Casey are overturned?

I’d guess that about half
the states in this country

will ban all or most abortions.

We’re likely to see ban stretching
from Georgia all the way west to Texas,

from Idaho, all the way south to Arizona.

Women, like Texan women,
will be forced to travel to the 15 states

that are controlled by pro-choice
legislators and governors.

Other women will seek medication abortion,

using the internet
or gray or black markets

and subject themselves in some states
to criminal prosecutions.

Still, other women will carry
their unintended pregnancies to term.

The bottom line is
this is not a pretty picture.

So what now?

What can we do?

We have been saying for five decades,

“Save Roe, save Roe, save Roe.”

That strategy is no longer feasible.

Give it up.

We’ve got to make sure

we quit hitting our heads
against the marble staircase.

And try to find new strategies.

So I’m going to propose
two of them to you today.

First, we’ve got to build
a badass social justice movement.

(Applause)

Which means loudly crying for our rights,

loudly saying: this is something
that belongs to us.

We know from watching
the Black Lives Matter movement

and the marriage equality movement
that coalition is queen.

We’ve got to find allies

and work with them to make sure
our rights are protected.

But equally important,

we’ve got to ensure that we elect –

and I’d actually say more important –

is we’ve got to elect legislators,

throughout the states and in Congress,

who are champions for reproductive health.

Now, I’m not going to bother
to tell you all

how to get politically active.

This is a crowd that knows how to do it.

But knowing how to do it
and actually doing it

are two different things,

so what you need to do
is get politically active.

But one of the things I will tell you

is what would our world look like

if we were able to wrest the reins
of governmental power

away from those who oppose abortion

and allow an agenda

that reflects reproductive
freedoms and justice.

Picture this.

We would have childcare

and universal childhood education
in every community in this country.

We would have paid maternity
and paternity leaves,

and people would actually take them.

All working parents
ought to have that right.

You know –

(Applause)

According to the Centers
for Disease Control,

African American women,

Native American women, Alaska Native women

are dying of pregnancy-related causes

at three times the rate of white women.

And most of those deaths are preventable.

So in our world where we control
the reins of power,

we would ensure,

we would ensure that there were programs

to reduce this alarming rate
of maternal mortality.

And we would make sure

that the systemic racism
in our health care system

would be eliminated.

And we’d work to eliminate infertility

with special programs for women
who can’t get pregnant.

And we would make sure that all women
are entitled to health care services

at all stages of their life.

Now all of those things I’ve talked about,

are family-friendly policies

and ought to be supported
by our opponents as well.

I’ll wait to see if that’s the case.

But in my world where we control
the reins of power,

we would do more.

The birth control pill
would be available over the counter.

(Applause)

OK, as easy to get as a bottle of Tylenol.

And we’d have quality sex education
in every public school in this country.

(Applause)

And we would make sure that …

abortion is affordable and available –

no more bans, no more barriers,

no more restrictions on funding.

And medication abortion,

the abortion pill,

would be available not just
at Planned Parenthoods

and the dwindling number
of abortion clinics in this country,

but at pharmacies without a prescription,

at walk-in health centers

and on every college campus
in the United States.

(Applause)

And if you had any doubt

about the importance
of getting politically active,

we could also pass

a constitutional amendment,

what I call a gender equity amendment,

that would guarantee to all persons

the ability to make decisions
not just about abortion,

but about pregnancy and marriage

and sexuality and parenting.

And it would be a permanent part
of the United States Constitution.

Now the important part of that is

these rights should not
be controlled by politicians.

They shouldn’t be dependent
on where you live

or how much money you make

or the color of your skin

or the person you love

or the pronouns you use.

These are universal
fundamental human rights,

and they ought to be guaranteed in law,

in the Constitution,

so the Supreme Court
cannot willy-nilly take them away.

(Applause)

Now to do this,

we need to elect champions for choice

to the 500,000 elected seats
in our government in this country:

everything from school boards
to town councils,

to state legislatures
to Congress and the White House.

All of those seats need to be controlled
by champions of our cause.

And that can only happen
if you get politically active.

Your vote, your willingness
to work in campaigns,

write postcards, make phone calls,

knock on doors,

can make that happen.

And even run for office,

because that’s what we need to do.

Now while dire, the end of Roe
is not the end of the story.

To paraphrase Joan Baez,

the best antidote to despair is action.

And your action,

your willingness to work hard

cannot only preserve reproductive
freedoms for ourselves

but for our children as well.

So let’s do it.

Thank you.

(Cheers and applause)

“最高法院
将如何处理堕胎问题?”

“他们不会真的推翻
Roe v. Wade 案,是吗?”

“他们不能那样做,不是吗?”

我无法告诉你最近几个月
有多少人问过我这样的问题

这说得通。

我曾在美国最高法院为两起堕胎案件
辩护,

包括 1992 年的
Planned Parenthood v. Casey 案,

该案被认为挽救了
Roe v. Wade。

我是生殖权利中心的联合创始人,在

我的职业生涯中,我花了 20 年的

时间为
需要堕胎

和其他生殖保健的女性进行辩论。

所以我的回答是令人沮丧但直接的:

Roe v. Wade 将在年内死亡。

选择是否堕胎的宪法权利

将不再
受到美国宪法的保护。

该法院可能
会否决 Roe 和 Casey

或因此破坏其含义

,使其实际上
无法使用。

现在我听到你的喘息声,

我要再说一遍。

美国联邦宪法

将不再保护
生殖自由。

现在我也在这里告诉你

,有希望。

通过共同努力,我们可以维护

我们的生殖自由。

我的意思不仅仅是
选择堕胎的权利。

我的意思是有能力
做出关于成为父母的决定。

所有人都应该有这个权利。

无论种族、
性别、

爱人,

所有人都应该
有权决定成为父母,

并获得必要的社会支持,


有尊严和安全地抚养这些孩子。

因此,

当反对者说要禁止堕胎时,他们会争论三件事。

他们谈论宗教;

他们谈论
保护胎儿权利;

他们谈论
保护妇女健康。

因此,让我们依次介绍它们。

宗教。

你知道,世界的现实

是世界上的宗教
对堕胎有各种各样的看法

,许多人在
各种不同的情况下支持他们。

所以当反对堕胎的人说宗教时,

他们实际上只是
把他们的宗教强加给我们其他人。

那么保护胎儿权利呢?

如果你真的
关心保护胎儿权利,

你会花费大量
时间来消除

这个国家惊人的婴儿
死亡率。

(掌声)

因为在美国,

我们是发达国家婴儿死亡率最高的国家

之一。

他们还应该在
孩子出生后支持他们的项目。

(鼓掌)

你知道,
保护女性健康呢?

好吧,现实是,堕胎已经
是一种非常安全的外科手术。

它比分娩更安全。

对堕胎施加新的限制
只会降低其安全性。

在我看来,
我们真正谈论的是,

反对者对堕胎的执着,

那些想要禁止堕胎的人,

都是为了控制女性。

如果我们无法控制是否、何时以及与谁生孩子,女性就无法运作

,成为我们社会的平等参与者

我们不能
行使基本人权

来决定我们的身体
和命运。

那么,为什么我如此确信

最高法院将否决罗伊和凯西

并采取显然是激进的步骤呢?

现在,有趣的是,

我在“芝麻街”中学
到了在最高法院取得成功所需的一切

(笑声)

为什么?

因为你必须学会数数。

唯一重要的数字
是五个——

(笑声)

这是
法院法官的大多数。

现在,当凯西
在 1992 年前往高等法院时,

我确信当时有
五位法官

准备否决罗伊

并让各州
恢复禁止堕胎的能力。

我是对的。

在我的辩论之后

,大法官们
回到他们的会议室并进行了投票

,七名大法官投票支持

本案中存在争议的宾夕法尼亚州限制。

然后首席大法官伦奎斯
特写了一份意见草案。

虽然他从未
说过罗伊是致命的魔咒,

正如法官约翰保罗史蒂文斯最近
在他的回忆录中所写的那样,但

该意见有效地否定
了罗伊的中央控股权。

现在,幸运的是,该
意见从未在 1992 年提交。

在最后一刻,安东尼·
肯尼迪大法官改变了主意,


桑德拉·戴·奥康纳

和大卫·苏特大法官

一起发表了他们所谓
的联合意见。

在其中,他们维护了妇女在所有 50 个州和美国领土上
进行堕胎直到可行的权利,

通常在
怀孕 24 到 28 周之间

但凯西的决定
走得更远

,它允许
各州制定堕胎障碍,

只要它们不会
对女性造成过度负担。

结果,

在接下来的三十年里,

我们看到各州通过了
数百项堕胎限制,

而越来越保守的
法院也支持这些限制。

结果,我们看到
堕胎的可能性在减少。

今天,这个国家大约 11%
的县

实际上有堕胎提供者。

有六个
州有一个堕胎提供者。

众所周知,在罗伊之前的日子里,有钱的

妇女可以堕胎。

另一方面,即使在今天,其他女性

——低收入
女性、生活在农村地区的

女性、青少年、有色人种
女性、残疾女性——

难以获得安全且负担得起的堕胎。

现在的问题是:
现在会发生什么?

不幸的是,
事情会变得更糟。 最高法院

目前有三起案件
未决,

两起来自德克萨斯州,一起来自密西西比州。

现在,你们中的大多数人可能
一直在关注德克萨斯州的情况。

得克萨斯州
在怀孕约六周时通过了堕胎禁令。

它允许任何
个人起诉堕胎提供者。

Vigilantes 可以因违反法律
而获得 10,000 美元的赏金

结果,许多诊所,

可能是德克萨斯州的大多数诊所,

都关门了,

或者减少了
他们进行的堕胎次数。

它很难。

但关于得克萨斯州的关键部分

是,五位大法官——

记住那五位——

五位大法官已经投票
允许德克萨斯州的法律生效。

除了对女性的伤害之外,

那些大法官并没有真正考虑
该法案的合宪性,

只考虑了谁可以被起诉,在哪里被起诉。

更重要的
案例来自密西西比州。

在那里
,怀孕15周时禁止堕胎。

本周听到了争论
,在我看来,

我们可能会看到
至少有五名法官

推翻罗伊和凯西

,并将堕胎问题
送回各州。

芝麻街,五票。

不幸的是,这一次,

没有肯尼迪大法官来拯救我们。

现在,
当罗伊和凯西被推翻时会发生什么?

我猜这个国家大约有一半
的州

将禁止所有或大部分堕胎。

我们很可能会看到禁令
从乔治亚州一直向西延伸到德克萨斯州,

从爱达荷州向南一直延伸到亚利桑那州。

像德克萨斯女性一样,女性
将被迫前往

由支持选择的
立法者和州长控制的 15 个州。

其他妇女将

通过互联网
或灰色或黑市寻求药物流产,

并在某些州
受到刑事起诉。

尽管如此,其他女性
仍会意外怀孕。

底线是
这不是一张漂亮的照片。

所以现在怎么办?

我们能做什么?

五十年来,我们一直在说,

“救罗,救罗,救罗。”

这种策略不再可行。

放弃。

我们必须确保

我们的头
不会撞到大理石楼梯上。

并尝试寻找新的策略。

所以我
今天要向你们推荐其中的两个。

首先,我们必须建立
一个糟糕的社会正义运动。

(鼓掌)

就是大声呼喊我们的权利,

大声说:这
是属于我们的东西。

我们通过
观察“黑人的命也是命”运动

和婚姻平等运动
知道,联盟是女王。

我们必须找到盟友

并与他们合作,以确保
我们的权利得到保护。

但同样重要的是,

我们必须确保我们选举

——实际上我想说更重要的

是——我们必须在

整个州和国会选举立法者,

他们是生殖健康的拥护者。

现在,我不会
费心告诉大家

如何在政治上活跃起来。

这是一群知道该怎么做的人。

但是知道如何去做
和实际去做

是两件不同的事情,

所以你需要做的
是积极参与政治。

但我要告诉你的一件事

是,

如果我们能够从反对堕胎的人手中夺取
政府权力的缰绳,

并允许制定

反映生殖
自由和正义的议程,我们的世界将会是什么样子。

想象一下。

我们将在这个国家的每个社区都有托儿服务

和普及儿童教育

我们会带薪产假
和陪产假

,人们实际上会带走它们。

所有工作的父母都
应该有这个权利。

你知道——

(掌声)

根据
疾病控制中心的数据,

非洲裔美国妇女、

美洲原住民妇女、阿拉斯加原住民

妇女死于妊娠相关原因

的比率是白人妇女的三倍。

大多数死亡都是可以预防的。

因此,在我们
控制权力的世界中,

我们将确保,

我们将确保有计划

来降低这一惊人
的孕产妇死亡率。

我们将确保消除

我们医疗保健系统中的系统性种族主义

我们将努力通过

针对无法怀孕的女性的特殊计划来消除不孕症

我们将确保所有女性

在其生命的各个阶段都有权获得医疗保健服务。

现在我谈到的所有这些

都是家庭友好的政策

,也应该
得到我们的对手的支持。

我会等着看是不是这样。

但在我们
掌控权力的世界里,

我们会做得更多。

避孕药
可以在柜台买到。

(鼓掌)

好的,就像一瓶泰诺一样容易得到。

我们将
在这个国家的每一所公立学校接受优质的性教育。

(掌声

)我们将确保……

堕胎是负担得起的和可用的——

没有更多的禁令,没有更多的障碍,

没有更多的资金限制。

药物流产,

即堕胎药,

不仅可以
在计划生育

和这个国家越来越少
的堕胎诊所使用,

而且可以在没有处方的药房

、步入式医疗中心

和美国的每个大学校园
中使用。

(掌声

)如果你对

积极参与政治活动的重要性有任何疑问,

我们也可以通过

一项宪法修正案,

我称之为性别平等修正案,

这将保证所有人不仅

有能力做出
关于堕胎的决定,

而且 关于怀孕、婚姻

、性和育儿。

它将成为美国宪法的永久组成
部分。

现在重要的部分是

这些权利不
应该由政客控制。

它们不应该
取决于你住在哪

里、你赚了多少钱

、你的皮肤颜色、

你爱的人

或你使用的代词。

这些是普遍的
基本人权

,应该在法律

和宪法中得到保障,

因此最高法院
不能随意剥夺它们。

(掌声)

现在要做到这一点,

我们需要

在这个国家的政府中选出500,000个民选席位的拥护者:

从学校董事会
到市镇议会,

从州议会
到国会和白宫,应有尽有。

所有这些席位都需要
由我们事业的拥护者控制。

这只有
在你积极参与政治活动时才会发生。

你的投票,你
参与竞选活动的意愿,

写明信片,打电话,

敲门,

都可以做到这一点。

甚至竞选公职,

因为这是我们需要做的。

现在虽然可怕,但罗伊
的结局并不是故事的结局。

套用琼·贝兹的话说,

绝望的最好解药就是行动。

你的行动,

你努力工作的意愿,

不仅
为我们自己,

也为我们的孩子维护生殖自由。

所以让我们去做吧。

谢谢你。

(欢呼和掌声)