A vision for the future of Afghanistan Ashraf Ghani

it’s a huge honor to welcome to this

virtual Ted stage his Excellency dr.

Ashraf Ghani well thank you Lama alaikum

Estela it’s thank you for coming and

spending this this time with us you are

facing issues that almost no one else on

the planet is is having to face help us

understand your country dr. Ghani the

new york times in a recent article

described afghanistan in this language

the impoverished Central Asian country

once unfamiliar to many Americans that

is now symbolizes endless conflict

foreign entanglements and an incubator

of terrorist plots how would you

describe Afghanistan this malaria movie

first of all thank you for having me

thank you for your great interest in

evanston and for your friendship and my

deepest sympathies to New Yorkers my

wife and I spent five years our children

were born there so it’s our deepest

sympathies and empathise then your

attempts catches one side of the story

let me tell you the other side since

I’ve become president I’ve been 89 times

to the provinces before corona I average

seeing 4,000 of my fellow citizens a

month what do I hear from all our fans

from all walks of life men and women

girls and boys a quest for normalcy we

are striving to be normal it’s not we

who are abnormal it’s the circumstances

in which we have been

cut we are hit by turbulence left right

and center and we are attempting to

carve away forward to overcome the types

of turbulence that an interaction with

each other provide an environment of

continuous uncertainty so our goal is to

overcome this and I think with the will

of the people

we’ll be able to may I tell you some

stories please hey nineteen years ago

when I returned after 24 years I

couldn’t find five people to write we

had lost our language all our languages

today in poetry and prose novels

twopenny novels - literary criticism the

country is vibrant it’s one of the

greatest conversations that is happening

in people are engaging each other just

two epic poets one called our zoo in

Derry and one called a wall in Pashto it

produced literature that I think would

be read for the next 400 years women we

endured a gender segregation like none

but today the women of Afghanistan speak

for themselves they are ministers their

ambassadors there in all walks of life

but particularly what moves me is young

girls I before Colin I used to see them

every day and you know what they would

say half of them want to be President of

Afghanistan that’s a different

Afghanistan and this quest for normalcy

is what I’m determined to put into

practice and create the conditions the

other example we were hit by Corona

and February for the first two days

there was a panic in the market prices

in Kabul double within 24 hours we

brought it down it’s a functioning

market that can reach almost anywhere in

in 2002 every province every centre of a

province was a satellite of a

neighboring country there is a lot

that’s happening positively it’s what is

characteristic of our people is the will

to overcome the past and to move forward

and I hope poverty is real inequality is

real but we also have a very determined

population that embraces the notion of

the Republic and the notion of

citizenship

you know us we’re egalitarian we don’t

bend to each other we all need to

persuade each other well I spent several

years in Afghanistan as a as a child and

and certainly experienced that

determination of there’s a depth of real

depth to so many Afghans it was really

striking but this war dr. Ghani it’s

been 19 years I guess since this war

began

it was waged as a response to a

terrorist incident in which something

like 3,000 people died the wars cost two

trillion dollars perhaps a hundred

thousand lives mostly Afghan has it been

worth it the first issue is that the

cost of the war is vastly exaggerated

professor Anthony Cordesman is written

an excellent paper called the true cost

of war the f1 war isn’t become an

omnibus under which everything from Navy

to the Air Force together is costed but

the cost in life and treasure has been

very real to the United States

fortunately since I’ve become president

the cost in life is under 100 well it

used to be over 2,300

in the cost in treasure again has come

down when let’s leave the judgment of

whether it was worth it to the

historians because I don’t want to

discuss the past but in the cost I mean

there’s been 100 American lives lost but

but many many Afghan lives continue I

was bringing it to the American

perspective no we we are the ones were

dying and because of that I’m determined

to move forward with peace and the stars

are finally being aligned the war will

go on unless we find a political

solution keeping the war going on does

not require more than sixty million

dollars a year but the real courage the

real imagination is to bring peace in at

this moment we should be really focused

on finding a political solution to end

this specter that is haunting our lives

so the the us and the Taliban reached

this provisional agreement I guess in in

February to reduce violence was that a

productive agreement and do you see it

leading to this agreement between the

government of Afghanistan people of

Afghanistan and the Taliban in a way

that can bring actual peace well first

of all let me again say thank you to the

u.s. for the sacrifice in blood and

treasure veterans

if served in Afghanistan they’ve lived

with memories of this country and it

really I moved to tears when they tell

me they’ve left a piece of their hearts

enough ones into the gold star families

who’ve lost their loved ones at this

moment us an interest Afghanistan and

perspectives are aligned because they’re

in state the ultimate goal is a

sovereign Democratic United Afghanistan

at peace with itself in the world within

that we need to

Taliban are a fact of life Afghanistan

you cannot do away with it by force

now no nor can they do away with the

security forces and the will of the

people of a monster so we need to find

the political solution in this

environment I think we’re moving forward

to creating the conditions for a direct

dialogue between the Taliban and us in

this phase will hopefully move us to

enough unknown enough one let peace

process where we need to make peace the

reduction of violence is head to aspect

in terms of massive conflict that has

been reduced but the cost in life’s is

still very high on average 30 to 35

casualties a day from our security

forces up to 270 fatalities and up to 70

casualty so it’s imperative particularly

in the environment of Corona that we go

for a humanitarian ceasefire in start

and travel on the condition that Taliban

prisoners be released and our prisoners

be released is moving forward I’m

hopeful that soon will begin direct

talks what does it take if the remaining

US forces are withdrawn before you have

a peace agreement in place our security

forces are doing 83% and prior to the

ceasefire in the reduction of violence

to operations so the number of your

forces is now down to about eight

thousand six hundred the question is not

what will happen to us the US should

consider what will happen to it in terms

of the threat of ongoing threat of

terrorism we do not comment on the

sovereign decisions of the United Stated

as president from two years ago that any

schedule of withdrawal that he chooses

of course is acceptable to us

support structures are important a

gradual systematic condition based

approach would be in both our interest

but should that happen

of course the responsibility for for

defending of understand and for securing

it lies on our shoulders and I’m

delighted that every single member of

our security forces is a volunteer there

is no one conscripted there is no one

force and our Special Forces or second

to none in the region and our Air Force

is been tripled we’ll be able to

maintain ourselves but it could change

it could adversely affect the chances of

peace and I hope that we will be able to

move forward so it is a systematic

process rather than a sudden process

many Afghans I believe including you I

reject the Taliban strident

interpretation of Islam I mean when

values are that different is there any

real prospect of long-term stable peace

well again I hope you remember President

Lincoln’s statement a woman was

criticizing him for making peace and he

said he said you’re making peace with

your enemies he said isn’t the best way

of turning the enemies into friends so

first is the the story of ceasefire of

2018 tens of thousands of Taliban mixed

with the rest of that ones you know

there wasn’t a single incident of

lynching or spitting or insulting of the

Tulpa our society is a consensus on

making peace our values need to be

reframed from war to peace and the

environment of war values become more

pronounced towards violence you’ve seen

ever

the veterans their problems no matter

what type of country they come from the

POE stress disorder etcetera common

phenomena so here piece must be mapped

properly I’ve spent a lifetime studying

peace processes over a hundred

agreements in preparation there are good

peace processes and they’re bad ones

process matters

the key is what’s the goal and how to

reach agreement in then to give the

implementation sufficient time the key

to future values is removal of arms from

dictation once we interact I think we’ll

be able to renew our bonds because in

the past also we’ve had periods of

radical versus tolerant our tradition

you know is Mawlana froom famously known

as Rumi and he has a verse that I’d like

to cite he says with will fire becomes

sweet water and without will even water

becomes fire this is not easy but it is

necessary in the last issue who’s the

winner of the war there is no winner but

who’s the winner of the piece the people

of Afghanistan and the people of the

region we should all become acquired the

humility to say that we will put our

people first and really arrive it weighs

and you know us with several thousand

years of ways of mediation arbitration

coming together there’s a large

repertoire for peacemaking and I hope we

can mobilize it and use it yes there is

this extraordinary tradition in

Afghanistan of face-to-face meetings

Jirga meetings right when I had the

great

honor to stay in your home eight years

ago when I was in Kabul the centerpiece

of your home was this beautiful area of

a rectangle area with it with a lovely

carpet and and back support so that

twenty people could kind of sit in a

circle well it was really a rectangle

but facing each other and I witnessed

you having these face-to-face

conversations with people some of whom

disagreed with you some of whom

supported you but the power of that was

extraordinary to witness do you can you

see a time in in the next 3 3 to 5 years

say where you you will sit in a circle

face-to-face with Taliban perhaps and

try to bridge and get to a point of

understanding is that imaginable

absolutely not within three years

I hope within three months we are

determined to move forward with this

opportunity this is a window it’s a

narrow window it can shut but we want to

open it and what you’ve seen what you

sign my house I have done in

presidential grounds with thousands of

people prior to Corona I saw about 4,000

people of Kabul to discuss the city of

Kabul in the province of Kabul for six

weeks 600 to 800 people were come we are

inegalitarian people we cannot be

dictated we can only be persuaded and

persuasion means that all policies have

to be done from ground up and then top

down that’s the combination things that

are borrowed uncritically will only

produce counter-reaction

we have a saying you can persuade enough

one to go to hell but you cannot compel

him to go to heaven he has to be

persuaded

it’s a the final series of the TV show

homeland was located in Afghanistan and

featured tense negotiations evolving the

u.s. the Afghan government the Taliban

Pakistan

did you see that series and did it bear

any relation to reality

unfortunately no not I’m a compulsive

reader but I don’t watch my 16 hour days

but let me take the question peace

making is no longer just an amateur art

form it really has become a discipline

two of my friends that have been working

very closely

William Mori and Jonathan Powell I’ve

done an enormous amount to turn this

into discipline the German Birkhoff

foundation there are others in

particularly a recent book on

Kissinger’s diplomacy distinctively

William Murray has come with two concept

one is called Batna or the best

alternative to negotiation we need to

understand that if you reduce the option

of war peacemaking will move forward the

second is called the zone of possible

agreement we have to ever approach to

bridging in there is work at the table

there’s work off the table the work of

the table means bringing the region the

international community other key

stakeholders my own take from this is we

need if we define the objectives instead

of moving blind forward to have what is

called the in state or the objective

then we can avoid a lot of those

tensions in others because the classic

now the biography of late Holbrooke is

there was the act of improvisation this

is not yes it is discipline we need to

have a lot more discipline so the

instruments come together and the voices

could come around the keys of one’s have

had a very strong sense of nationalism

an identity it’s time to bridge our gaps

in come together in in create a common

future that is now TDC but it is

absolutely imperative speaking of which

you’ve fought to disputed elections with

Abdullah Abdullah he is now leading the

High Council of national reconciliation

I guess playing a key role in the

negotiation with the Taliban have you

been able to build a productive

relationship with him

absolutely we were singing in Pashto

says Houlihan colada and below says your

tongue is either a fortress or a curse

maulana puts it better

o tongue you’re an endless treasure o

tank you’re also in endless disease

I’ve never responded negatively to dr.

Abdullah either in the course of 2014 or

2019 campaign or during the years we

have resumed a very productive

relationship and we are meeting with

mutual respect and courtesy it’s also

the question that now is not the

agreement of the government of national

unity dr. Abdullah is no rule directly

in running the government I’m blessed

with colleagues vice president Sally

vice president mr. doesn’t that the role

is of course his colleagues will be

participating in the cabinet but the

this is within the peace is an area of

agreement within us because the two key

parameters are one we should secure the

participation of the Taliban within the

Republic second elections must be the

ultimate determinant of the future of

leadership in evanston dr. Abdullah and

I share common ground and we are working

well together can you help us understand

the key issues at stake in your

relationship with Pakistan specifically

do you feel that they’re doing enough to

put pressure on the Taliban on the

Taliban to properly

engage in the peace process well until

the visit of the chief of staff of

Pakistan’s army general Berto at

Afghanistan they were uncertainties and

the past I don’t want to discuss

everybody knows and mutual suspicion etc

etc now we think we are converging on a

shared vision in that the first

component of that is that a stable

democratic Afghanistan and hopefully

prosperous is necessary for Pakistan to

be stable and democratic and peaceful

second that ways of the past to think

that Afghanistan is a part of strategic

depth or a satellite of Pakistan or not

possible not feasible so here

convergence on a sovereign Democratic

constitutional Iran Afghanistan is

important we on our part or clear we’ve

I’ve talked articulated a new doctrine

of our foreign policy I call it multi

alignment maximum number of friends

minimum number of opponents we don’t

want to give part of the disputes of our

other partners we will not permit our

soil to be used against others but

you’ll also expect that others will not

use their soil against us I think that

Pakistan’s internal reflections make

this a possibility the Taliban have

frankly been a cost to Pakistan without

considerable benefits in at this moment

the other issue is that regions

developed not countries so India is

going to be having a very important

issue for our economic well-being in we

for linking Pakistan to Central Asia in

caucuses the areas of convergence or

becoming much greater than divergence in

words we’ve made a lot of progress

we hope there

this will translate into a very positive

role that positive role is what we asked

for because competition among nations

and particularly post corona environment

and the environmental crisis that South

Asia faces is going to be a lose-lose

while Pakistan is made calculation if

there were peace in Afghanistan and our

joint connectivity regional connectivity

agenda we’ll realize there could be up

to 2% additional rate of growth and

buckston we’re going to have questions

from the audience in one minute but I

just you mentioned corona virus there

again talk about what you’re wrestling

with there because in a country with

with a lot of poverty that the decision

on how much you shut down you know

that’s a harder call to make than then

in a richer country how do you how do

you come up with the right strategy to

fight this what have you been doing and

and what do you need from the rest of

the world to help that fight be better

well the first is we were one of the

first countries to become fully aware

and this is really thanks Terry Marathi

friends in January 6th Annan give a

share the briefing I was giving a

keynote address in Abu Dhabi

he was the first individual to use the

term the corona economy and hit full

analysis developed in terms of scenarios

their future orientation was so when the

first cases in Iran happened we prepared

mr. Anderson we were having from

February 24 the first cases to March

21st now rolls up to 10,000 people a day

coming from Iran there was a panic among

of ones in Iran so they rushed we moved

in to analyze the phases so there five

phases awareness diffusion adversity

relief recovery the exact

timing of course was unknown but we

responded with lockdowns which brought

foot structural our chip in situational

but compared to our all others you know

figures given that we don’t have testing

and tracing unfortunately the united

nation agencies have not been able to

deliver on the promises even though the

money came from the World Bank they have

had constraints total deaths have been

four hundred ninety one until now in the

faces of diffusion were slow we had very

little till the third week of May the

last week of May adversity started so

now we are in a phase the other part of

it is we started distributing bread for

the first time in our history to all our

cities now we are doing a major program

shortly of distributing a package of

basic food to almost 90% of that one

population and several phases

affordability is an issue for us but in

terms of what we ask it’s knowledge it’s

sharing of experience and from the

philanthropic community its sponsor

enough one family and work with us to

knowledge networks because now we have

the capability to the digital system I’m

consulting more intensely because of the

telecom capability all aggressive wants

them if we can work together because

what makes us special for a study one we

are at the gateway to Central Asia into

India a tooth to the subcontinent

Pakistan in India so in terms of

diffusion it’s not a nation it’s a

entire continent that is it issue second

the number above sixty is only three per

and of the population so we have one of

the youngest populations how profile the

works and then the urban is about thirty

percent rule a seventy percent this

profile

I think would allow for the type of

working true solutions our main

challenge is going to be winter if

Corona continues to the winter then

given our small houses and our

traditions of thousand years of hitting

food together breaking bread together

will become an obstacle so working

through in here particularly women and

women let’s households if particular

needs and working with us through

globally to be able to mobilize for this

our society is mobilized with enormous

generosity people have really shared

half of the grin in the private sector

is been marvelous in terms of both

contributing to the market stability but

also with the deep sense of charity if

it could be joined with Regional

Planning and global coordination

particularly with the vaccine comes that

we are not forgotten because we will not

be able to pay early I’m hearing you say

that could be a national strategy in

response to covered nineteen I think

there might be a few countries who might

want to borrow you for a few months dr.

Ghani

we’re gonna go to okay we’re gonna go to

questions from the community let’s get

the first one up there okay so I don’t

know if you can see that dr. garner the

peace process is a triangulation between

your government Taliban in the US but

others have political economic political

interest in Afghanistan China for

instance what is the role of China in

Afghanistan today thank you

the stake that sir is this the coalition

for war was limited I hope too

but the broadest coalition for peace

everybody can be a winner in peace China

is a very significant paper we have a

short a small important but very

significant China’s market is essential

for us thanks to is Pakistan opening to

us which I’d like to thank myself in

particular we now reach ina a week it

used to take us three months in terms of

investment of when a son wants to be a

location for investment China should it

wish in terms of the peace process we

would like that discussions of the peace

not to take place in one country but to

move so we can have the maximum number

of stakeholders the most significant

thing is what I put to President Xi

during the Shanghai conference in II

immediately in dorset we want to be a

platform for regional and global

cooperation not a site for rivalries

that is in the interest in China lastly

is a major stakeholder in containing

terrorism because that threat to that is

felt real and it’s an area of

cooperation we’ll take one more

community question it’s an honor

for you today personally thank you for

the for grounding the peacemaking is a

discipline can you share more about how

every human being connectively practice

the discipline of peacemaking in our

daily lives and in our nation’s

absolutely because the first thing is

mutual respect you know two types of

conversations have been differentiated

by professor Argyris one of the key

practitioners of this one is called type

1 listening where one just repeats one’s

position and doesn’t hear the other side

type two is to really have a

conversation where we listen what is in

shortage and our daily interactions is

capacity to listen we talk too much we

listen too little and this is crucial

second is our basic humanity when all

forms of differences are socially and

culturally constructed there’s no such

thing as ethnic or linguistic or racial

ground Franz boas the founder of

cultural anthropology demonstrated to

measuring heads and noses that migrants

Italians and Irish against whom there

was enormous prejudice were not

different so it’s important second

hierarchy in participation need to be

balanced a lot of things need to be done

by community I’m delighted for instance

that as an architect of a program called

national solidarity now this isn’t your

turn I have one villages now have 50 50

50 percent of our village councils are

led by women 50 by men gender is an

extremely important area because women

bring a new perspective an enriched

perspective and we are complementary to

each other it’s finding common ground

that allows us to live because all a lot

of times particularly within ideological

communities with their religious or

secular small differences or exaggerated

to such an extent that makes hearing

each other impossible now I hear the

word tribes mutually exclusive through

their digital systems applied to the

United States it’s such a tragedy we

need to move forward and come together

dr. Gandhi as a boy I remember just the

beauty of Afghanistan I remember walking

by the incredible blue lakes of Bundy

Aamir skipping stones because there’s

all this flat slate there so many deep

memories there parts of Afghanistan that

tourists have no idea about is there any

prospect that in the next years that

they will have a chance to visit again

in peace and confidence that they will

just have a beautiful experience in a

beautiful land

I much hope so during my six years I’ve

had a two-hour break and that wasn’t bad

damage and you know you remember the

Warm Springs to because it’s a

combination of intensely cold water plus

these worm Springs that makes it a

delight we are expanding in one of my

quiz is for carbon trading to reforest

Afghanistan I think we could go probably

to up to 500 million trees that would be

an enormous change in the lives of

people and those people who were part of

the initiative of one trillion trees the

firms and others we invited but also in

Kabul and Parwan in Herat and the Condor

and others we have done in intense work

to renew our cultural heritage you

remember Parma the valley about 20

kilometres west of Kabul its villas its

structures from 1880 to 1930 were ground

to dust

it’s Gardens have been destroyed we’ve

restored everything and now it’s a

national park we are expanding this and

my goal is to create one National Park

in every single of the districts of the

country the beauty is truly moving I’ve

been to all call every single province

of Afghanistan from five times to 20

times and I’m moved by the sheer beauty

of what’s there and we hope to share it

we could have up to two million tourists

a year if we had peace and can you

comment briefly on what the business

opportunities are in Afghanistan what

kinds of investment or entrepreneurial

activity would you welcome well first is

the power sector Pakistan needs probably

around fifty thousand megawatts of of

power this is word bank calculations for

its hundredth anniversary to move from a

lower middle income to an upper middle

calm country in Central Asia is the key

so power we’ve created all the

opportunities for the private sector to

be in transmission in production and

distribution we also have this amazing

potential 220,000 megawatts of solar

80,000 megawatts of wind in 23,000

megawatts of hydro coal we are not

touching at this moment so power sector

second or pipelines natural gas going to

India is crucial not only just Pakistan

but beyond to to India getting here is

insurance and guarantees working on

insurance and guarantees is the crucial

enabling mechanism the second area is

mining we have the

just item deposits one of the largest

copper deposits in gold will be a player

in talk we can be one of the 10 players

we have over a billion tons of marble of

40 colors we could just to China we

could have an export of 1 billion

dollars a year precious stones again gas

is beginning to look very good oil could

be sufficient so small in medium type

companies that take risks and look for

high rewards agriculture is beginning we

have just surpassed 1 billion dollars in

export I was able to double our exports

we have created now the infrastructure

and in the systems in equally the

digital economy is the future so digital

services we are focusing completely on

on the new economy to be able to to

create jobs and as I said the other is

environment water we are harnessing 6

billion cubic meters of water just in

our western borders but all together we

have to harness about 22 billion cubic

meters environmental crisis in South

Asia in Central Asia and West Asia is

not a warning it’s a forthcoming reality

war here in water management is going to

be an extremely big issue of

coordination and the other is the

railways transport will be crucial

because we missed the 19th century

transport revolution we privatize the

fiber optics we’re looking every area

where regional national and global firms

will come we are interested in the last

point is that don’t look at that one

market look at it as a platform for

regional cooperation because we have one

of the lowest tariffs

it’s for our exports from to China to

India to Europe and others work the

kiyose value chains and supply chains

and anything that can be done there and

you have one of the youngest populations

on earth with willingness to work

extremely hard for good money an inner

entrepreneurial population to boot that

you understand dr. Ghani Alice we are we

are out of time I I thank you for this

this vision it’s an exciting vision of

what Afghanistan could be and and I’ve

just whenever I hear you I’m struck both

by your eloquence and and your courage

you know you’ve you’ve lived all these

years under threat of assassination I

guess and I I honestly don’t know how

you find the strength to do what you do

but that but thank you for what you’re

doing and I think everyone in this

community wishes you and Afghanistan a

beautiful future enough of this pain and

this this war in this fighting enough

now we wish you better times ahead sir

well thank you for me it’s not courage

because I don’t know I don’t know how to

define it you know when they send

rockets I open my chest and I said I’m

not wearing a bulletproof that was my

inauguration and it becomes a national

gesture what I don’t give to is fear I

have no fear I have lived a life I’ve

lived multiple lives in this life is

dedicated to service what inspires me is

the decency the incredible generosity

the sense of appreciation when a young

girl looks at you and says you’ve made

it possible for me to do big dream to be

President how what price

you put on that when a widow embraces

you and says I’ve lost three sons but

I’ll give the other two we are a hopeful

Society what makes me wake up with hope

no matter what the previous day has been

is that I know I have a master my

masters are the people of Evanston for

they are the ones to be appreciated I am

just simple a human being with all the

hopes and challenges but they want a

translator a translator that can hear

them that can assemble it back and in

our just end with a story I went to or

his gun one of our poorest provinces in

2003 - - and I listened to the people

the usual way that you’ve described

sitting all of us and then I said how do

you want it done and they started

laughing and I was taken aback because

I’ve gone after 24 years nice and that

vibe made him a cultural mistake they

said you don’t know who you are and I

was puzzled I said Who am I

they said we need to during the collapse

of the Taliban and coming of the

Americans we used to listen to you every

day on the BBC and say next day and the

MAS get together and say a chef when he

said this go get it done you’ve come

back it’s trust this trust is really

fundamental it’s inspiring and thank you

for your support

we count on it as always and I’m looking

very much forward to welcome you back

Afghanistan has been home to you and

again we would like it to be home to you

and to millions of our friends thank you

so much dr. Ghani for those words and

for this conversation together thank you

thank you good night

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博士阁下来到这个虚拟的 Ted 舞台。

Ashraf Ghani 非常感谢 Lama alaikum

Estela,感谢您来

这里与我们共度这段时间,您

面临着地球上几乎没有其他人必须面对的问题,

以帮助我们

了解您的国家博士。

Ghani 纽约时报在最近的一篇文章

中用这种语言描述了阿富汗

这个贫穷的中亚国家

曾经对许多美国人来说是陌生的,

现在它象征着无休止的冲突

外国纠葛和

恐怖主义阴谋的孵化器你如何

描述阿富汗这部疟疾电影

首先谢谢 你让我

感谢你对埃文斯顿的极大兴趣,

感谢你的友谊和我

对纽约人最深切的同情 我

和我的妻子在那儿度过了五年,我们的孩子

在那里出生,所以这是我们最深切的

同情和同情,然后你的

尝试抓住了一方面 故事

让我告诉你另一面,自从

我成为总统以来

,在新冠病毒爆发之前,我已经去过各省 89 次,我平均每月

会见 4,000 名同胞,我

从各行各业的所有粉丝那里听到了什么?

女性

女孩和男孩 追求正常 我们

正在努力变得正常 不是我们不正常 而是我们

所处的环境

我们被左右和中间的湍流击中

,我们正试图

向前推进,以克服

相互之间的相互作用提供

持续不确定性环境的湍流类型,所以我们的目标是

克服这一点,我认为 我们能做到

的人的意愿

我可以告诉你一些

故事 嘿 19 年前

当我 24 年后回来的时候 我

找不到五个人来写 我们

失去了我们的语言 今天我们所有的语言都

在诗歌和散文小说中

两便士小说——文学批评 这个

国家充满活力 这是人们之间

发生的最伟大的对话之一

正在相互吸引 只有

两位史诗般的诗人 一位在德里称为我们的动物园

,一位在普什图语中称为墙 它

产生了我认为会

被阅读的文学作品 在接下来的 400 年里,女性我们

忍受着前所未有的性别隔离,

但今天阿富汗的女性

为自己说话,她们是部长,她们

在那里的大使 生活中的一切,

但最让我感动的是年轻

女孩,在科林之前,我曾经每天都见到她们

,你知道他们会说什么,他们中的

一半想成为阿富汗总统,

这是一个不同的

阿富汗,而这种对常态的追求

就是我的目标 我决心付诸

实践并创造条件

另一个例子我们

在前

两天受到了电晕和二月的打击喀布尔的市场价格出现恐慌,

在 24 小时内翻了一番我们

把它降下来这是一个正常运转的

市场 几乎

在 2002 年的任何地方 每个省 每个省的中心都是

邻国的卫星 有

很多积极的事情发生 这是

我们人民的特点

是克服过去和前进

的意愿 我希望贫困是真实的 不平等是

真实的,但我们也有一个非常坚定的

人口,他们接受

共和国的概念和公民身份的概念

你知道我们我们是平等主义者我们

不是 对彼此而言,我们都需要

很好地说服彼此。我

小时候在阿富汗度过了几年

,当然也经历过这样的

决心:对这么多阿富汗人来说,有一个真正的

深度,这真的很

惊人,但这场战争博士。 加尼,

我想自从这场战争开始以来已经 19 年

了,它是对

恐怖事件的回应,其中大约

3,000 人死亡,战争花费了 2

万亿美元,也许是

十万人的生命,主要是阿富汗人

值得吗?第一个问题是

战争的成本被大大夸大了

安东尼·科德斯曼教授写

了一篇出色的论文,叫做

战争的真正成本 f1 战争并没有成为一个

综合性的东西,从海军

到空军的一切都被计算在内,但

生命和生命的成本和 宝物

对美国来说很实在

幸好我当

总统后生命成本在100

以下 过去2300多

宝物成本又

降下来了 让我们判断

是否值得 对

历史学家来说,因为我不想

讨论过去,但在代价方面,我的意思是

有 100 名美国人丧生,

但许多阿富汗人的生命仍在继续,

我把它带给美国人

观点 不,我们是那些正在

死去的人,因此我决心

与和平一起前进,

星星终于对齐

,除非我们找到政治

解决方案,否则战争将

继续进行。 每年六千万

美元,但真正的勇气

真正的想象力是在这一刻带来和平,

我们应该真正专注

于寻找政治解决方案来结束

这个困扰我们生活的幽灵,

因此美国和塔利班达成了

这项临时协议 我想在

二月份减少暴力是一项

富有成效的协议,你认为它会

导致

阿富汗政府

和塔利班在阿富汗政府和塔利班之间达成

这项协议,这种协议可以带来真正的和平,

首先让我再次表示感谢 你对

我们 为了牺牲在阿富汗服役的鲜血和

宝藏退伍军人

,他们一直

带着这个国家的记忆生活,

当他们告诉

我他们已经为金星家庭留下了足够多的心时,我真的感动得流泪了

。 在这一刻我们失去了他们的亲人

我们对阿富汗的兴趣和

观点是一致的,因为他们

在状态最终目标是一个

主权的民主联合阿富汗

在世界上与自己和平相处

我们需要

塔利班是生活中的事实阿富汗

你现在不能用武力取消它,

他们也不能取消

安全部队和

怪物人民的意志,所以我们需要

在这种环境下找到政治解决方案

我认为我们正在

向前创造条件

塔利班和我们在

这一阶段进行直接对话,有望将我们带到

足够未知的地方,让和平

进程在我们需要实现和平的地方

减少暴力走向 考虑

到大规模冲突

已经减少,但生命的代价

仍然非常高

,我们的安全部队每天平均造成 30 到 35 人伤亡,

多达 270 人死亡,多达 70 人

伤亡,因此特别是

在电晕的环境中,当务之急是 我们

开始进行人道主义停火,

条件

是释放塔利班囚犯,释放我们的囚犯

正在向前推进

和平协议到位 我们的安全

部队正在做 83% 并且在

停火之前减少对行动的暴力

,所以你们的

部队人数现在减少到大约

8600 人,问题不

在于我们美国会发生什么 应该

考虑在持续的恐怖主义威胁方面会发生什么,

我们

不对美国

作为总统的主权决定发表评论 t 从两年前开始

,他选择的任何撤军时间表

当然是我们支持结构可以接受的,

这一点很重要,基于

渐进系统条件的

方法将符合我们的利益,

但如果发生这种情况

,当然有责任

捍卫理解和 保护

它就在我们的肩上,我很

高兴

我们安全部队的每一位成员都是一名

志愿者 我们将能够

维持自己,但它可能会改变

它可能会对和平的机会产生不利影响

,我希望我们能够

向前迈进,因此这是一个系统的

过程,而不是一个突然的过程

我相信包括你在内的许多阿富汗人我

拒绝 塔利班

对伊斯兰教的尖锐解释 我的意思是,当

价值观如此不同时,是否还有

长期稳定和平的真正前景,

我希望你记住 呃

林肯总统的声明一个女人

批评他和解他

说他说你正在与

你的敌人和解他说这不是

把敌人变成朋友的最好方法所以

首先是

2018 年停火的故事 成千上万的塔利班

与其他塔利班混在一起,你知道

没有一起

私刑、随地吐痰或侮辱

Tulpa 的事件 我们的社会是

实现和平的共识 我们的价值观需要

从战争重新构建为和平和

环境 战争价值观

对暴力变得更加明显你

见过退伍军人他们的问题无论

他们来自什么类型的国家

POE 压力障碍等等常见

现象所以这里必须正确映射

我花了一生的时间研究

和平进程 一百个

正在准备中的协议 有好的

和平进程,也有不好的和平进程

实施足够的时间

未来价值观的关键是

一旦我们互动,就可以从口授中移除武器 我认为我们将

能够更新我们的纽带,

因为过去我们也经历过

激进与宽容的时期,我们的

传统是著名的 Mawlana froom 被

称为鲁米,他有一句我想引用的诗,

他说有意志,火会变成

甜水,没有意志,水也会

变成火,这并不容易,但

在最后一期中,有必要知道谁

是战争的赢家 没有赢家,但

谁是这件作品的赢家

阿富汗人民和该

地区人民我们都应该变得

谦逊地说我们将把我们的

人民放在首位并真正到达它很重

,你了解我们几

千年的方式 调解仲裁

汇集在一起 有大量的

调解程序,我希望我们

可以动员并使用它 是的

阿富汗有这种面对面会议的非凡传统

支尔格大会

八年前我在喀布尔有幸住在你家的时候开会,你家

的中心

是这个美丽

的矩形区域,上面铺着可爱的

地毯和靠背,这样

二十个人就可以和蔼可亲 坐成

一圈,实际上是一个长方形,

但彼此面对面,我见证了

您与一些人的面对面

交谈,其中一些人

不同意您,有些人

支持您,但见证的力量

非凡 你能

在未来 3 到 3 到 5 年内看到某个时间

说出你将在哪里

与塔利班面对面坐成一圈,并

尝试弥合并达成一个

理解点,这

绝对不能想象在三年之内 几年

我希望在三个月内我们

决心利用这个机会向前迈进

这是一扇窗户 它是

一扇可以关闭的狭窄窗户 但我们想

打开它 你看到了什么 你

签署了我的房子 我在

总统任期内所做的

在科罗纳之前有数千人的场地 我看到大约 4,000 名喀布尔

人在喀布尔省讨论喀布尔市

六周 600 到 800 人来了 我们是

不平等的人 我们不能被

支配 我们只能被说服和

说服 意味着所有政策

都必须从头开始,然后

自上而下,这就是组合

不加批判地借用的东西只会

产生反作用

我们有一句话,你可以说服足够多的

人下地狱,但你不能强迫

他下地狱 天堂,他必须被

说服

这是电视节目的最后一个系列,

国土位于阿富汗,并

以紧张的谈判为特色,不断发展

美国 阿富汗政府 塔利班

巴基斯坦 你看过那个系列吗?它

是否与现实有任何关系?

不幸的是,不,不是我是一个强迫性的

读者,但我不看我的 16 小时工作日,

但让我提出一个问题,建立

和平不再只是 一种业余艺术

形式 它确实已成为一门学科

我的两个朋友一直在

密切合作

William Mori 和 Jonathan Powell 我已经

做了大量工作以将其

转变为学科 德国 Birkhoff

基金会 还有其他一些

特别是最近的一本关于

基辛格的外交与众不同,

威廉·默里(William Murray)提出了两个概念,第

一个称为巴特纳(Batna)或谈判的最佳

替代方案,我们需要

了解,如果您减少

战争的选择,则建立和平将继续进行,

第二个称为

我们必须接近的可能协议区

架起桥梁 桌前有工作 桌下

有工作 桌下工作

意味着将该地区带入

国际社会 其他关键

利益相关者我自己的看法是,

如果我们定义目标而

不是盲目前进以获得

所谓的状态或目标,

那么我们就可以避免

其他人的许多紧张关系,因为经典的

现在的传记 Holbrooke 晚了

有即兴表演 这

不是 是的 这是纪律 我们需要

有更多的纪律,这样

乐器才能聚集在一起,声音

可以围绕一个人的琴键

传来 有非常强烈的民族主义意识和

身份认同 是时候弥合我们之间的差距

了,共同创造一个

现在是 TDC 的共同未来,但

绝对有必要谈到

你与

阿卜杜拉·阿卜杜拉(Abdullah Abdullah)争夺有争议的选举,他现在领导

民族和解高级委员会,

我猜想扮演一个 在与塔利班谈判中的关键角色

是否能够与他建立富有成效的

关系

绝对我们用普什图语唱着

Houlihan colada an 下面的 d 说你的

舌头不是堡垒就是诅咒

maulana 说得更好

o 舌头你是无尽的宝藏 o

坦克 你也处于无尽的疾病中

我从来没有对博士做出负面回应。

阿卜杜拉要么在 2014 年或

2019 年竞选期间,要么在这些年

我们恢复了非常富有成效的

关系,我们在

相互尊重和礼貌的情况下会面,这

也是一个问题,现在不是

民族

团结政府博士的协议。 阿卜杜拉没有

直接管理政府的规则我很幸运

有同事副总统萨利

副总统先生。 不是说这个

角色当然是他的同事将

参加内阁,

但这是在和平范围内是我们内部的一个协议领域,

因为两个关键

参数是一个我们应该确保

塔利班在共和国内的参与

第二个 选举必须

是埃文斯顿博士未来领导力的最终决定因素。 阿卜杜拉和

我有共同点,我们合作得

很好,您能否帮助我们了解

您与巴基斯坦关系中的关键问题,

特别

是您是否认为他们做得足以向

塔利班施加压力,让

塔利班适当

参与 和平进程一直很好,直到

巴基斯坦陆军上将贝托参谋长访问

阿富汗之前,它们都是不确定性的

,过去我不想讨论

每个人都知道和相互猜疑等等

等等,现在我们认为我们正在达成一个

共同的愿景 其中的第一个

组成部分是,一个稳定的

民主阿富汗并希望其

繁荣是

巴基斯坦稳定、民主与和平所必需的;

其次,过去

认为阿富汗是战略纵深的一部分

或巴基斯坦的卫星或

不可能的方式 不可行,所以在这里

收敛于主权民主

宪法伊朗阿富汗

对我们来说很重要,或者我们清楚

我们已经 alked 阐明

了我们外交政策的新原则 我称之为多结盟

最多朋友

数量 最少反对者数量 我们

不想让我们的

其他合作伙伴的部分争议我们不会允许我们的

土地被用来对付其他人,但

你 我还希望其他人不会

利用他们的土地来对付我们

将成为我们经济福祉的一个非常重要的

问题,因为

我们将巴基斯坦与中亚联系起来,在

核心会议领域趋同或

变得远大于分歧,

我们已经取得了很多进展,

我们希望

这会 转化为一个非常积极的

角色,积极的角色是我们所要求

的,因为国家之间的竞争

,特别是后电晕环境

和环境

南亚面临的经济危机将是双输,

而巴基斯坦正在计算

如果阿富汗实现和平以及我们的

联合连通性区域连通性

议程,我们将意识到可能会有

高达 2% 的额外增长率和

巴克斯顿我们 '

一分钟后观众会有问题,但我

刚才你提到了冠状病毒,

再次谈论你在

那里与什么搏斗,因为在

一个非常贫困的国家,

决定你关闭你的程度 知道

这比

在一个更富裕的国家更难做出决定 你

如何想出正确的策略来

对抗这个你一直在做

什么以及你需要世界其他地方的什么

来帮助这场斗争

更好的是,首先我们是最早

意识到这一点的国家之一,这真的感谢特里马拉地语

朋友在 1 月 6 日安南

分享了我

在阿布扎比发表主题演讲的简报

e 是第一个使用

电晕经济一词的人,并

根据

他们的未来方向进行了全面分析,因此当

伊朗的第一例病例发生时,我们准备了

先生。 安德森,我们从

2 月 24 日到 3 月 21 日的第一批病例

现在每天有多达 10,000 人

来自伊朗。伊朗的一些人感到恐慌,

所以他们急忙

进入分析阶段,因此有五个

阶段意识扩散逆境

救援恢复 确切的

时间当然是未知的,但我们

采取了封锁措施,这使

我们的芯片在特定情况下有了结构性,

但与我们所有其他人相比,你知道的

数据,因为我们没有测试

和追踪,不幸的是,联合国

机构无法

兑现承诺,即使

资金来自世界银行,他们也受到限制,到目前为止,

总死亡人数已达

491 人,

面对扩散缓慢,我们

几乎没有,直到 5 月的第三周,5 月的

最后一周 逆境开始了,所以

现在我们处于一个阶段,另一

部分是我们开始

在我们的历史上第一次向我们所有的

城市分发面包,现在我们 不久将重新开展一项重大计划

向近 90% 的人口分发一揽子基本食品

,分几个阶段,

负担能力对我们来说是一个问题,但

就我们所要求的知识而言,它是在

分享经验,它是从

慈善团体的赞助商那里得到的

足够的一个家庭,与我们一起工作到

知识网络,因为现在我们拥有

数字系统的能力,我

正在更积极地咨询,因为

电信能力,

如果我们可以一起工作,所有积极的人都想要他们,因为

是什么让我们特别适合研究一个我们

是通往中亚进入印度的门户 在

印度是通往巴基斯坦次大陆的牙齿

所以就传播而言,

它不是一个国家,而是

整个大陆,它排在第二位

,超过 60 的人数仅占

人口的 3 人,所以我们有

最年轻的人口之一如何描述

作品,然后是大约百分之三十的城市

统治着百分之七十,

我认为这将允许

如果

电晕持续到

冬天,那么我们的主要挑战

将是冬天

如果有特殊需要,女性让我们的家庭

在全球范围内与我们合作,

以便能够为此动员

我们的社会以巨大的慷慨动员起来

人们真的分享

了私营部门的一半

笑容在促进市场稳定方面都非常出色

如果

它可以与区域

规划和全球协调,

特别是与疫苗相结合,

我们也不会被遗忘,因为我们

无法提前付款我听到你说

这可能是一项国家战略

作为对涵盖的 19 的回应,我认为

可能有几个国家可能

想借你几个 mon 博士。

Ghani,

我们会去的,我们会去

回答来自社区的问题,让我们

把第一个问题带到那里,好吧,所以我不

知道你是否能看到那个博士。 争取

和平进程

是美国塔利班政府之间的三角关系,但

其他人对阿富汗有政治经济政治

利益,例如中国今天在阿富汗

的作用是什么,

谢谢先生,这

是一个有限的战争联盟我 也希望,

但最广泛的和平联盟,

每个人都可以成为和平的

赢家 特别感谢我自己

我们现在在投资方面达到了一个星期,

过去我们需要三个月的时间

当一个儿子想

成为投资地点 中国如果它

希望就和平进程而言,我们

希望讨论和平

不是在一个国家发生,而是要

采取行动,这样我们才能拥有

最多的利益相关者

立即在多塞特举行的第二届海伊会议 我们希望

成为区域和全球合作的平台,而

不是竞争的场所

,这符合中国的利益 最后

是遏制恐怖主义的主要利益相关者,

因为对恐怖主义的威胁是

真实存在的,并且是一个领域

合作 我们将再

回答一个社区问题 今天对你来说是一种荣幸

感谢你

为建立和平是一门学科奠定了基础

你能分享更多关于

每个人如何在日常生活和我们的日常生活中相互联系地实践

建立和平的学科

国家的

绝对是因为第一件事是

相互尊重你知道两种类型的

谈话已经被

阿吉里斯教授区分了这种谈话的主要

实践者之一被称为第一

类倾听,其中一个只是重复自己的

位置而没有听到对方第二

类 是真正进行

对话,我们倾听

短缺的东西,我们的日常互动是

倾听我们的能力 如果我们

听得太多,我们听得太少,这是至关重要的

第二点是我们的基本人性,因为所有

形式的差异都是在社会和

文化上构建的,没有

种族、语言或种族

基础之

类的东西。 移民

意大利人和爱尔兰人

存在巨大偏见并没有什么

不同,所以重要的

是参与的第二层级需要

平衡很多事情需要

社区来做我很高兴

例如作为一个名为国家计划的建筑师

团结 现在轮到你了

我有一个村庄 现在有 50 50

50% 的村庄委员会

由女性领导 50 由男性领导 性别是一个

极其重要的领域,因为女性

带来了新的视角和丰富的

视角,我们相互补充

其他是找到

让我们能够生活的共同点,因为

很多时候,尤其是在意识形态范围内

社区之间存在宗教或

世俗的微小差异或被夸大

到无法听到彼此的程度

现在我通过应用于美国的数字系统听到了

部落相互排斥这个词,

这是一场悲剧,我们

需要向前迈进并团结起来

博士 . 小时候的甘地 我只记得

阿富汗的美丽 我记得

在邦迪·阿米尔 (Bundy Aamir) 令人难以置信的蓝色湖泊中

跳石,因为那里

有一块平坦的石板,那里有很多深刻的

回忆,阿富汗的部分地区,

游客不知道有没有

前景 在接下来的几年里,

他们将有机会再次平静地访问

,并相信他们将

在这片美丽的土地上拥有美好的经历,

我非常希望在我六年的时间里,我

有两个小时的休息时间,那 t 严重

损坏,你知道你记得

温泉,因为它是极

冷的水加上

这些蠕虫温泉的组合,这让我们很

高兴我们正在扩大我的一个

测验是碳交易以重新造林

阿富汗我认为我们可能会去

多达 5 亿棵树,这

将极大地改变人们的生活,

以及那些参与

了 1 万亿棵树倡议的人们

,我们邀请的公司和其他人,但是 同样在

喀布尔和帕尔旺在赫拉特和秃鹰

等我们

为更新我们的文化遗产所做的紧张工作你

还记得帕尔马在

喀布尔以西约 20 公里的山谷它的别墅它的

结构从 1880 年到 1930 年被夷为平地

它的花园已经 摧毁了我们已经

恢复了一切现在它是一个

国家公园我们正在扩大它

我的目标是在该国的每个地区创建一个国家公园

美丽真正令人感动我

去过的每个省份都称之为

阿富汗从 5 次增加到 20

次,我被那里的纯粹

美景所感动,我们希望分享它,

如果我们有和平,我们每年可以有多达 200 万游客,您能否

简要评论一下

商机是什么 在阿富汗,你首先会欢迎什么

样的投资或创业

活动是

巴基斯坦的电力部门可能需要

大约五万兆瓦的

电力这是word bank cal 为中亚

从中低收入国家向中高收入

国家转移一百周年的计划是关键,

因此我们

为私营部门创造了所有机会,让

他们参与生产和分配的传输,

我们也有这个惊人的机会

潜在的 220,000 兆瓦太阳能

80,000 兆瓦的风能和 23,000

兆瓦的水力煤,我们目前没有

涉及,因此电力部门

第二个或通往

印度的管道天然气不仅对巴基斯坦至关重要,而且对印度来说也很重要

到达这里是

保险和保证 从事

保险和担保工作是关键的

促成机制 第二个领域是

采矿 我们拥有

公正的物品矿床 最大

的黄金铜矿床之一 将成为讨论的参与者

我们可以成为

我们拥有超过 10 亿吨铜矿的 10 个参与者之一

40 种颜色的大理石我们可以只到中国 我们

可以每年出口 10 亿

美元 宝石

又开始看起来 v

对于那些承担风险并寻求

高回报的

中型公司来说,任何优质石油

足够了 同样,

数字经济是未来,所以

我们完全专注

于新经济的数字服务,以便能够

创造就业机会,正如我所说,另一个是

环境水,我们在西部边境利用 60

亿立方米的水,

但是 总之,我们

必须在中亚和西亚应对南亚约 220 亿立方米的

环境危机,

这不是一个警告,而是一场即将到来的现实

战争,这里的水资源管理将

是一个非常大的

协调问题,另一个是

铁路运输将是至关重要的,

因为我们错过了 19 世纪的

交通革命 我们将

光纤私有化 我们正在寻找每一个

存在 r 国内和全球公司

将到来 我们感兴趣的最后

一点是不要将一个

市场视为区域合作的平台,

因为我们对

从中国到印度的出口产品征收的关税是最低的

之一 到欧洲和其他地方工作

kiyose 价值链和供应链

以及在那里可以做的任何事情,

你有一个地球上最年轻的人口之一,他们

愿意

为好钱而极其努力地工作,一个你理解博士的内在

创业人口

。 Ghani Alice we are we

are out of time II 谢谢你的

这个愿景,这是一个令人兴奋的阿富汗愿景,

每当我听到你的声音时,我都

被你的口才和

你认识你的勇气所震撼 这些年来你是否一直生活

在暗杀的威胁之下,我

猜,我真的不知道你是如何

找到力量去做你所做的事情

,但是谢谢你

所做的一切,我认为这个

社区的每个人 祝你和阿富汗有一个

美好的未来

你知道,当他们发射

火箭时,我打开胸膛,我说我

没有戴上我

就职典礼时的防弹衣,这变成了一种国家

姿态

在这一生中过着多种生活,

致力于服务于什么 激励我的

是体面 令人难以置信

的慷慨 当一个年轻

女孩看着你并说你

让我有可能实现成为

总统的远大梦想

当一个寡妇拥抱

你并说 我失去了三个儿子但

我会给另外两个我们是一个充满希望的

社会无论前一天是什么让我充满希望地醒来

是因为我知道我有一个主人我的

主人是埃文斯顿的人民

他们是值得

赞赏的人 2003 年我们最贫穷的省份之一

按照你描述的坐在我们所有人中的惯常方式倾听人们的意见

,然后我说

你想怎么做,他们开始

大笑,我吃了一惊,因为

我已经 24 年后走了,那

氛围很好 de 他是一个文化错误 他们

说你不知道你是

谁 我很困惑 我说我是谁

他们说我们需要在

塔利班垮台和美国人到来期间

我们每天都在听你

的 BBC 说第二天和

MAS 聚在一起说一个厨师,当他

说完成它时,你

回来了,相信这种信任真的很

重要,它鼓舞人心,

感谢您的支持,

我们一如既往地依靠它,我 ‘我

非常期待欢迎您回来

阿富汗一直是您的家,

我们再次希望它成为您

和我们数百万朋友的家,非常感谢您

,博士。 加尼的这些话

和这次谈话,谢谢你,

晚安