How fear drives American politics David Rothkopf TED Talks

What I’d like to do
is talk to you a little bit about fear

and the cost of fear

and the age of fear
from which we are now emerging.

I would like you to feel comfortable
with my doing that

by letting you know that I know something
about fear and anxiety.

I’m a Jewish guy from New Jersey.

(Laughter)

I could worry before I could walk.

(Laughter)

Please, applaud that.

(Applause)

Thank you.

But I also grew up in a time
where there was something to fear.

We were brought out in the hall
when I was a little kid

and taught how to put
our coats over our heads

to protect us from global
thermonuclear war.

Now even my seven-year-old brain
knew that wasn’t going to work.

But I also knew

that global thermonuclear war
was something to be concerned with.

And yet, despite the fact
that we lived for 50 years

with the threat of such a war,

the response of our government
and of our society

was to do wonderful things.

We created the space program
in response to that.

We built our highway system
in response to that.

We created the Internet
in response to that.

So sometimes fear can produce
a constructive response.

But sometimes it can produce
an un-constructive response.

On September 11, 2001,

19 guys took over four airplanes

and flew them into a couple of buildings.

They exacted a horrible toll.

It is not for us to minimize
what that toll was.

But the response that we had
was clearly disproportionate –

disproportionate to the point
of verging on the unhinged.

We rearranged the national security
apparatus of the United States

and of many governments

to address a threat that,
at the time that those attacks took place,

was quite limited.

In fact, according to our
intelligence services,

on September 11, 2001,

there were 100 members of core Al-Qaeda.

There were just a few thousand terrorists.

They posed an existential threat

to no one.

But we rearranged our entire
national security apparatus

in the most sweeping way
since the end of the Second World War.

We launched two wars.

We spent trillions of dollars.

We suspended our values.

We violated international law.

We embraced torture.

We embraced the idea

that if these 19 guys could do this,
anybody could do it.

And therefore,
for the first time in history,

we were seeing everybody as a threat.

And what was the result of that?

Surveillance programs that listened in
on the emails and phone calls

of entire countries –

hundreds of millions of people –

setting aside whether
those countries were our allies,

setting aside what our interests were.

I would argue that 15 years later,

since today there are more terrorists,

more terrorist attacks,
more terrorist casualties –

this by the count
of the U.S. State Department –

since today the region
from which those attacks emanate

is more unstable
than at any time in its history,

since the Flood, perhaps,

we have not succeeded in our response.

Now you have to ask,
where did we go wrong?

What did we do?
What was the mistake that was made?

And you might say, well look,
Washington is a dysfunctional place.

There are political food fights.

We’ve turned our discourse
into a cage match.

And that’s true.

But there are bigger problems,
believe it or not, than that dysfunction,

even though I would argue

that dysfunction that makes it impossible
to get anything done

in the richest and most powerful
country in the world

is far more dangerous than anything
that a group like ISIS could do,

because it stops us in our tracks
and it keeps us from progress.

But there are other problems.

And the other problems

came from the fact that in Washington
and in many capitals right now,

we’re in a creativity crisis.

In Washington, in think tanks,

where people are supposed to be
thinking of new ideas,

you don’t get bold new ideas,

because if you offer up a bold new idea,

not only are you attacked on Twitter,

but you will not get confirmed
in a government job.

Because we are reactive to the heightened
venom of the political debate,

you get governments that have
an us-versus-them mentality,

tiny groups of people making decisions.

When you sit in a room with a small group
of people making decisions,

what do you get?

You get groupthink.

Everybody has the same worldview,

and any view from outside of the group
is seen as a threat.

That’s a danger.

You also have processes
that become reactive to news cycles.

And so the parts of the U.S. government
that do foresight, that look forward,

that do strategy –

the parts in other governments
that do this – can’t do it,

because they’re reacting
to the news cycle.

And so we’re not looking ahead.

On 9/11, we had a crisis
because we were looking the wrong way.

Today we have a crisis because,
because of 9/11,

we are still looking
in the wrong direction,

and we know because we see
transformational trends on the horizon

that are far more important
than what we saw on 9/11;

far more important than the threat
posed by these terrorists;

far more important even
than the instability that we’ve got

in some areas of the world
that are racked by instability today.

In fact, the things that we are seeing
in those parts of the world

may be symptoms.

They may be a reaction to bigger trends.

And if we are treating the symptom
and ignoring the bigger trend,

then we’ve got far bigger
problems to deal with.

And so what are those trends?

Well, to a group like you,

the trends are apparent.

We are living at a moment
in which the very fabric of human society

is being rewoven.

If you saw the cover of The Economist
a couple of days ago –

it said that 80 percent
of the people on the planet,

by the year 2020, would have a smartphone.

They would have a small computer
connected to the Internet in their pocket.

In most of Africa, the cell phone
penetration rate is 80 percent.

We passed the point last October

when there were more
mobile cellular devices, SIM cards,

out in the world than there were people.

We are within years
of a profound moment in our history,

when effectively every single
human being on the planet

is going to be part of a man-made
system for the first time,

able to touch anyone else –

touch them for good, touch them for ill.

And the changes associated with that
are changing the very nature

of every aspect of governance
and life on the planet

in ways that our leaders
ought to be thinking about,

when they’re thinking about
these immediate threats.

On the security side,

we’ve come out of a Cold War in which
it was too costly to fight a nuclear war,

and so we didn’t,

to a period that I call
Cool War, cyber war,

where the costs of conflict are actually
so low, that we may never stop.

We may enter a period of constant warfare,

and we know this because
we’ve been in it for several years.

And yet, we don’t have the basic doctrines
to guide us in this regard.

We don’t have the basic ideas formulated.

If someone attacks us with a cyber attack,

do have the ability to respond
with a kinetic attack?

We don’t know.

If somebody launches a cyber attack,
how do we deter them?

When China launched
a series of cyber attacks,

what did the U.S. government do?

It said, we’re going to indict
a few of these Chinese guys,

who are never coming to America.

They’re never going to be anywhere near
a law enforcement officer

who’s going to take them into custody.

It’s a gesture – it’s not a deterrent.

Special forces operators
out there in the field today

discover that small groups
of insurgents with cell phones

have access to satellite imagery
that once only superpowers had.

In fact, if you’ve got a cell phone,

you’ve got access to power
that a superpower didn’t have,

and would have highly
classified 10 years ago.

In my cell phone,
I have an app that tells me

where every plane in the world is,
and its altitude, and its speed,

and what kind of aircraft it is,

and where it’s going
and where it’s landing.

They have apps that allow them to know

what their adversary is about to do.

They’re using these tools in new ways.

When a cafe in Sydney
was taken over by a terrorist,

he went in with a rifle…

and an iPad.

And the weapon was the iPad.

Because he captured people,
he terrorized them,

he pointed the iPad at them,

and then he took the video
and he put it on the Internet,

and he took over the world’s media.

But it doesn’t just affect
the security side.

The relations between great powers –

we thought we were past the bipolar era.

We thought we were in a unipolar world,

where all the big issues were resolved.

Remember? It was the end of history.

But we’re not.

We’re now seeing that our
basic assumptions about the Internet –

that it was going to connect us,
weave society together –

are not necessarily true.

In countries like China,
you have the Great Firewall of China.

You’ve got countries saying no,
if the Internet happens within our borders

we control it within our borders.

We control the content.
We are going to control our security.

We are going to manage that Internet.

We are going to say what can be on it.

We’re going to set
a different set of rules.

Now you might think,
well, that’s just China.

But it’s not just China.

It’s China, India, Russia.

It’s Saudi Arabia,
it’s Singapore, it’s Brazil.

After the NSA scandal, the Russians,
the Chinese, the Indians, the Brazilians,

they said, let’s create
a new Internet backbone,

because we can’t be dependent
on this other one.

And so all of a sudden, what do you have?

You have a new bipolar world

in which cyber-internationalism,

our belief,

is challenged by cyber-nationalism,

another belief.

We are seeing these changes
everywhere we look.

We are seeing the advent of mobile money.

It’s happening in the places
you wouldn’t expect.

It’s happening in Kenya and Tanzania,

where millions of people who haven’t
had access to financial services

now conduct all those
services on their phones.

There are 2.5 million people
who don’t have financial service access

that are going to get it soon.

A billion of them are going
to have the ability to access it

on their cell phone soon.

It’s not just going to give them
the ability to bank.

It’s going to change
what monetary policy is.

It’s going to change what money is.

Education is changing in the same way.

Healthcare is changing in the same way.

How government services are delivered
is changing in the same way.

And yet, in Washington, we are debating

whether to call the terrorist group
that has taken over Syria and Iraq

ISIS or ISIL or Islamic State.

We are trying to determine

how much we want to give
in a negotiation with the Iranians

on a nuclear deal which deals
with the technologies of 50 years ago,

when in fact, we know that the Iranians
right now are engaged in cyber war with us

and we’re ignoring it, partially
because businesses are not willing

to talk about the attacks
that are being waged on them.

And that gets us to another breakdown

that’s crucial,

and another breakdown that couldn’t be
more important to a group like this,

because the growth of America
and real American national security

and all of the things that drove progress
even during the Cold War,

was a public-private partnership
between science, technology and government

that began when Thomas Jefferson
sat alone in his laboratory

inventing new things.

But it was the canals
and railroads and telegraph;

it was radar and the Internet.

It was Tang, the breakfast drink –

probably not the most important
of those developments.

But what you had was
a partnership and a dialogue,

and the dialogue has broken down.

It’s broken down because in Washington,

less government is considered more.

It’s broken down because there is,
believe it or not,

in Washington, a war on science –

despite the fact that
in all of human history,

every time anyone has waged
a war on science,

science has won.

(Applause)

But we have a government
that doesn’t want to listen,

that doesn’t have people
at the highest levels

that understand this.

In the nuclear age,

when there were people
in senior national security jobs,

they were expected to speak throw-weight.

They were expected to know
the lingo, the vocabulary.

If you went to the highest level
of the U.S. government now

and said, “Talk to me about cyber,
about neuroscience,

about the things that are going
to change the world of tomorrow,”

you’d get a blank stare.

I know, because when I wrote this book,

I talked to 150 people,
many from the science and tech side,

who felt like they were being
shunted off to the kids' table.

Meanwhile, on the tech side,

we have lots of wonderful people
creating wonderful things,

but they started in garages
and they didn’t need the government

and they don’t want the government.

Many of them have a political view
that’s somewhere between

libertarian and anarchic:

leave me alone.

But the world’s coming apart.

All of a sudden, there are going to be
massive regulatory changes

and massive issues
associated with conflict

and massive issues associated
with security and privacy.

And we haven’t even gotten
to the next set of issues,

which are philosophical issues.

If you can’t vote,
if you can’t have a job,

if you can’t bank,
if you can’t get health care,

if you can’t be educated
without Internet access,

is Internet access a fundamental right
that should be written into constitutions?

If Internet access is a fundamental right,

is electricity access for the 1.2 billion
who don’t have access to electricity

a fundamental right?

These are fundamental issues.
Where are the philosophers?

Where’s the dialogue?

And that brings me
to the reason that I’m here.

I live in Washington. Pity me.

(Laughter)

The dialogue isn’t happening there.

These big issues
that will change the world,

change national security,
change economics,

create hope, create threats,

can only be resolved
when you bring together

groups of people who understand
science and technology

back together with government.

Both sides need each other.

And until we recreate that connection,

until we do what helped America grow
and helped other countries grow,

then we are going to grow
ever more vulnerable.

The risks associated with 9/11
will not be measured

in terms of lives lost by terror attacks

or buildings destroyed
or trillions of dollars spent.

They’ll be measured in terms of the costs
of our distraction from critical issues

and our inability to get together

scientists, technologists,
government leaders,

at a moment of transformation
akin to the beginning of the Renaissance,

akin to the beginning
of the major transformational eras

that have happened on Earth,

and start coming up with,
if not the right answers,

then at least the right questions.

We are not there yet,

but discussions like this
and groups like you

are the places where those questions
can be formulated and posed.

And that’s why I believe
that groups like TED,

discussions like this around the planet,

are the place where the future
of foreign policy, of economic policy,

of social policy, of philosophy,
will ultimately take place.

And that’s why it’s been
a pleasure speaking to you.

Thank you very, very much.

(Applause)

我想做的
是和你谈谈恐惧

和恐惧的代价,

以及
我们现在正在摆脱的恐惧时代。

我想让

你知道我知道一些
关于恐惧和焦虑的事情,让你对我这样做感到舒服。

我是来自新泽西的犹太人。

(笑声)

我可以在走路之前担心。

(笑声)

请为这一点鼓掌。

(掌声)

谢谢。

但我也是在一个
让人害怕的时代长大的。

当我还是个小孩的时候,我们被带到大厅里

,教
我们如何把大衣披在头上,

以保护我们免受全球
热核战争的伤害。

现在,即使是我七岁的大脑也
知道那是行不通的。

但我也

知道全球热核战争
值得关注。

然而,
尽管我们在

这样一场战争的威胁下生活了 50 年,但

我们的政府
和社会的反应

却是做出了不起的事情。

我们为此创建了太空
计划。 为此,

我们建立了高速公路
系统。 为此,

我们创建了
互联网。

所以有时恐惧会
产生建设性的反应。

但有时它会
产生非建设性的反应。

2001 年 9 月 11 日,

19 个人接管了四架飞机

,并将它们飞入几座建筑物。

他们付出了可怕的代价。

我们不应该尽量
减少造成的损失。

但是我们得到的反应
显然是不成比例的——

不成比例到
接近精神错乱的地步。

我们重新安排了美国和许多政府的国家安全
机构,

以应对
在这些袭击发生

时非常有限的威胁。

事实上,根据我们的
情报部门

,2001 年 9 月 11 日,

基地组织核心成员有 100 名。

只有几千名恐怖分子。

他们

对任何人都不构成生存威胁。

但我们以二战结束以来最全面的方式重新安排了整个
国家安全机构

我们发动了两次战争。

我们花了数万亿美元。

我们暂停了我们的价值观。

我们违反了国际法。

我们接受了酷刑。

我们接受了这样的想法

,即如果这 19 个人可以做到这一点,那么
任何人都可以做到。

因此
,历史上第一次,

我们将每个人都视为威胁。

结果是什么?

监听

整个国家

——数亿人——的电子邮件和电话的监视程序不

考虑
这些国家是否是我们的盟友,不

考虑我们的利益。

我会争辩说,15 年后,

因为今天有更多的恐怖分子,

更多的恐怖袭击,
更多的恐怖分子伤亡——


是根据美国国务院的统计——

因为今天
,这些袭击的发源地比任何时候

都更加不稳定
在它的历史上

,也许自从洪水以来,

我们的反应没有成功。

现在你不得不问,
我们哪里出错了?

我们做了什么?
犯了什么错误?

你可能会说,好吧,
华盛顿是一个功能失调的地方。

有政治食物斗争。

我们已经把我们的话语
变成了一场笼子比赛。

这是真的。

但是,
不管你信不信,除了功能障碍之外,还有更大的问题,

尽管我认为

在世界上最富有和最强大的国家无法完成任何事情的功能障碍

远比
一个群体喜欢的任何事情都危险得多 ISIS 可以做到,

因为它阻止了我们
前进,阻止了我们前进。

但还有其他问题。

其他问题

来自这样一个事实,即现在在华盛顿
和许多首都,

我们正处于创造力危机中。

在华盛顿,在智库

里,人们应该
思考新想法,

你不会得到大胆的新想法,

因为如果你提出一个大胆的新想法,

你不仅会在推特上受到攻击,

而且你不会得到
在政府工作中得到证实。

因为我们
对政治辩论的剧毒反应很敏感

,所以政府会
采取“我们对他们”的心态,只有一

小部分人在做决定。

当你和一小群人坐在一个房间里
做决定时,

你会得到什么?

你得到集体思考。

每个人都有相同的

世界观,任何来自群体外部的观点
都被视为威胁。

这是一个危险。

您还拥有
对新闻周期产生反应的流程。

所以美国政府
中那些有远见、有远见、

有战略

的部分——其他政府中
这样做的部分——不能这样做,

因为他们正在
对新闻周期做出反应。

所以我们没有展望未来。

9/11,我们遇到了危机,
因为我们找错了方向。

今天我们面临危机,
因为因为 9/11,

我们仍然在
寻找错误的方向

,我们知道,因为我们看到

远比 9/11 看到的更重要的变革趋势

远比
这些恐怖分子构成的威胁重要;

甚至
比我们

在当今世界某些地区
受到不稳定影响的不稳定更为重要。

事实上,我们在世界这些地区看到的事情

可能只是症状。

它们可能是对更大趋势的反应。

如果我们只治标不治本,
而忽视更大的趋势,

那么我们就有更大的
问题需要处理。

那么这些趋势是什么?

好吧,对于像你这样的群体

,趋势是显而易见的。

我们生活在一个
人类社会的

结构正在被重新编织的时刻。

如果你几天前看到《经济学人》的封面
——

它说,到 2020 年,地球上 80%
的人

将拥有智能手机。

他们的口袋里会有一台连接到互联网的小型计算机。

在非洲大部分地区,手机
普及率为 80%。

去年 10 月,

当世界上
移动蜂窝设备(SIM 卡)

的数量超过人口数量时,我们已经过了这个阶段。

我们正处于
历史上一个重要时刻的几年之内,

届时
地球上的每个人

都将第一次成为人造
系统的一部分,

能够接触到其他任何人——

永远接触他们,接触 他们生病了。

与此相关的变化
正在

以我们的领导人

在考虑
这些直接威胁时应该考虑的方式改变地球上治理和生活的各个方面的本质。

在安全方面,

我们已经摆脱了一场冷战,在这场冷战
中打核战争的成本太高

,所以我们没有,

进入我称之为
冷战、网络战的时期

,冲突的成本在此期间 实际上是
如此之低,以至于我们可能永远不会停止。

我们可能会进入一个持续战争的时期

,我们知道这一点,因为
我们已经参与了好几年。

然而,在这方面,我们没有指导我们的基本
教义。

我们没有制定基本的想法。

如果有人以网络攻击攻击我们,

是否有能力
以动能攻击作出回应?

我们不知道。

如果有人发动网络攻击,
我们如何阻止他们?

当中国发动
一系列网络攻击时,

美国政府做了什么?

它说,我们要起诉
这些中国人中的一些人,

他们永远不会来美国。

他们永远

不会靠近将要拘留他们的执法人员。

这是一种姿态——不是威慑。

今天在战场上的特种部队操作员

发现,一小群
带着手机的叛乱

分子可以获得
曾经只有超级大国才能拥有的卫星图像。

事实上,如果你有一部手机,

你就
可以获得超级大国所没有的权力,

而且在
10 年前就属于高度机密。

在我的手机里,
我有一个应用程序,它可以告诉我

世界上每架飞机的位置、
高度、速度

、它是什么类型的飞机


它要去哪里以及降落在哪里。

他们有应用程序可以让他们

知道他们的对手将要做什么。

他们正在以新的方式使用这些工具。

当悉尼的一家咖啡馆
被恐怖分子占领时,

他带着步枪……

和 iPad 进去了。

武器就是 iPad。

因为他抓捕了人,
他恐吓他们,

他把iPad指向他们,

然后他把视频
放到网上,

然后他接管了全世界的媒体。

但这不仅仅
影响安全方面。

大国之间的关系——

我们认为我们已经过了两极时代。

我们认为我们处于一个单极世界

,所有重大问题都得到了解决。

记住? 这是历史的终结。

但我们不是。

我们现在看到,我们
对互联网的基本假设

——它将把我们联系起来,
将社会编织在一起——

并不一定是正确的。

在像中国这样的国家,
你有中国的防火墙。

你有国家说不,
如果互联网发生在我们的边界内,我们会在我们的

边界内控制它。

我们控制内容。
我们将控制我们的安全。

我们将管理那个互联网。

我们会说它上面有什么。

我们将制定
一套不同的规则。

现在你可能会想,
嗯,那只是中国。

但不仅仅是中国。

这是中国、印度、俄罗斯。

这是沙特阿拉伯,
这是新加坡,这是巴西。

在美国国家安全局丑闻之后,俄罗斯人
、中国人、印度人、巴西人,

他们说,让我们创建
一个新的互联网骨干网,

因为我们不能
依赖另一个骨干网。

突然之间,你有什么?

你有一个新的两极世界,

在这个世界中,

我们的信仰网络国际主义

受到另一种信仰网络民族主义的挑战

我们随处可见这些变化

我们正在看到移动货币的出现。

它发生在
你意想不到的地方。

这种情况正在肯尼亚和坦桑尼亚发生,

那里数百万
无法获得金融服务的人

现在通过手机进行所有这些
服务。

有 250 万
无法获得金融服务

的人很快就会得到它。

他们中的十亿人很快
就能在手机上访问它

这不仅仅是为了让他们
拥有银行业务的能力。

这将
改变货币政策。

这将改变金钱的本质。

教育也在以同样的方式发生变化。

医疗保健也在以同样的方式发生变化。

政府服务的提供
方式也在以同样的方式发生变化。

然而,在华盛顿,我们正在讨论

是否将占领叙利亚和伊拉克的恐怖

组织称为“伊斯兰国”或“伊斯兰国”或“伊斯兰国”。

我们正试图确定

在与伊朗人

就一项涉及
50 年前技术的核协议进行谈判时,我们愿意付出多少,

而事实上,我们知道伊朗人
现在正在与我们进行网络战争,

并且 我们忽略了它,部分
原因是企业

不愿意谈论
对他们发动的攻击。

这让我们陷入了另一个

至关重要的

崩溃,另一个
对像这样的群体来说再重要不过的崩溃,

因为美国的发展
和真正的美国国家安全

以及所有即使在冷战期间推动进步的因素


科学、技术和政府之间的公私合作伙伴关系

,始于托马斯杰斐逊
独自坐在他的实验室

发明新事物时。

但那是运河
、铁路和电报;

这是雷达和互联网。

是唐,早餐饮料——

可能不是
这些发展中最重要的。

但你们所拥有的
是伙伴关系和对话,

而对话已经破裂。

它被打破了,因为在华盛顿,

更少的政府被认为是更多的。

它被打破了,因为
不管你信不信,

在华盛顿,一场对科学的战争——

尽管
在整个人类历史上,

每次有人
对科学发动战争,

科学就赢了。

(掌声)

但是我们有一个
不想听的政府,没有

最高层的人

明白这一点。

在核时代,

当有
高级国家安全工作的人时,

他们被期望会说话。

他们被期望
知道行话,词汇。

如果你现在去美国政府的最高层

说,“跟我谈谈网络、
神经科学、

关于
将改变明天世界的事情”,

你会得到一个空白的凝视。

我知道,因为当我写这本书时,

我与 150 人交谈过,
其中许多来自科学和技术方面,

他们觉得自己被
转移到了孩子们的餐桌上。

与此同时,在技术方面,

我们有很多很棒的人
创造了很棒的东西,

但他们从车库开始
,他们不需要政府

,也不需要政府。

他们中的许多人的政治
观点介于

自由主义和无政府主义之间:别管

我。

但世界正在分崩离析。

突然之间,将会有
大规模的监管变化


与冲突

相关的大量问题以及与安全和隐私相关的大量问题

我们甚至还没有
解决下一组问题,

即哲学问题。

如果你不能投票,
如果你不能工作,

如果你不能银行,
如果你不能得到医疗保健,

如果你不能在
没有互联网的情况下接受教育

,互联网接入是一项基本权利
吗? 应该写入宪法吗?

如果互联网接入是一项基本权利,那么

为 12
亿没有用电的人提供电力是否

是一项基本权利?

这些都是基本问题。
哲学家在哪里?

对话在哪里?


让我想到了我在这里的原因。

我住在华盛顿。 可怜我。

(笑声

) 对话并没有发生在那里。

这些将改变世界、

改变国家安全、
改变经济、

创造希望、制造威胁的重大问题,

只有将

了解
科学和技术的群体

与政府重新团结起来,才能得到解决。

双方都需要对方。

直到我们重新建立这种联系,

直到我们做了帮助美国成长
并帮助其他国家成长

的事情,我们才会变得
更加脆弱。

与 9/11 相关的风险
不会

以恐怖袭击造成的生命损失

或建筑物被毁
或花费数万亿美元来衡量。

它们将根据
我们在关键问题上分心

以及我们无法聚集

科学家、技术人员、
政府领导人的成本来衡量,


类似于文艺复兴开始的转型时刻,

类似于
重大转型的开始

地球上发生的时代,

并开始提出,
如果不是正确的答案,

那么至少是正确的问题。

我们还没有到那里,

但是像这样的讨论
和像你们这样的小组


可以制定和提出这些问题的地方。

这就是为什么我
相信像 TED 这样的团体,

像这样的全球讨论,

是外交政策、经济政策

、社会政策和哲学的未来
最终发生的地方。

这就是为什么
很高兴与您交谈。

非常非常感谢你。

(掌声)