A Tale of Two Spoons How Ancient Artefacts Still Shape Our Present.

Transcriber: Amanda Zhu
Reviewer: Rhonda Jacobs

Let me take you to ancient Greece

2,500 years ago.

Imagine a formation of soldiers
on the verge of battle,

wearing forged armor and helmets

and tightly holding on
to their spears and shields.

When they hear the command,

they sprint,

charging towards their ruthless enemies

and believing with full conviction
that they will come out victorious.

Later that day, there are commanders
and other men of status with long togas

gather together and celebrate
on reclining furniture.

They are fed grapes,

they drink wine,

and they’re entertained
by women and young boys

while discussing philosophy
and democracy into the dusk.

I doubt what I’ve just described
was difficult for anyone to conjure up,

because these are
some of the most repeated scenes

from our collective perception
of the ancient world.

You may have been reminded
of childhood characters, movies, books,

or memorable field trips to the museum

where you got to see
the armor and the vessels

that these Grecians were using.

And these images in your head

are more than just visualizations
of a remote past.

They’re also the beginning

of a cultural narrative that still defines
what it means to belong to the West.

Now, if I were to mention
the names of some other peoples

living at the same time
and within the same world

as these Grecians,

such as the Thracian peoples, the Lidyans,

the Dacians or the Scythians,

I doubt you will have ever heard of them,

let alone consider them
part of your cultural lineage.

Now, why is that?

And also, why does it matter
thousands of years later?

Well, personally,
I got into ancient history

because I was determined
to find a hack into the West.

I’m from Iran,

and I grew up in the United Arab Emirates.

And when I was younger,
I had this naive belief

that if I became an expert
in ancient Greco-Roman history,

aka the cradle of Western civilization,

I would sincerely gain an insight

into what made the West
so commanding and successful

for such a long period of time.

And in that process,
I’d about my place in the world.

Well, I did get there eventually,

just not in the way I was expecting,

because the kinds of questions
that came naturally to me in my studies

led my professor
to pull me to the side one day

and say,

“Saba, you are not interested in history.

You are interested in historiography.”

And that changed the way
I looked at everything.

So historiography is a field

that examines the act
of writing history itself.

It looks at the larger context
that a history was written in

and asks questions like,
“Who was the historian?

What was their position
in and view of their world?

And what access to historical
materials did they have?

And how did the narratives they write
affect society, and vice versa?”

And what looking through this lens reveals

is how we came to our current perception
of the ancient world.

This occurred relatively recently
through the 19th and 20th centuries,

at a time when Europe
was in an exciting period

of modernizing and nation building,

all while enjoying the height
of colonial imperialism.

What the early archaeologists
and historians had access to

was very sparse factual information
of the ancient world,

and what fueled them
was more a passion than method.

This led to the writing
of ancient narratives

that involved a lot
of filling in the blanks.

And not surprisingly,

over time, those blanks were filled in
with the ideologies of the era.

And that included
a rather binary perspective

that celebrated ideas
like democracy over despotism,

rationality over savagery,

man over nature,

and the West over the East.

And I wish I could tell you
that coming into the 21st century,

we were able to leave
these binary constructs behind,

but the truth is

that they have become deeply embedded
in how we tell the story of our origins,

from inside our museums
to our education systems

and from there to our popular culture.

There was this one
particular moment in my research

that really crystallized
this issue for me,

where I saw both the problem exposed

and also a potential way
out of that problem at the same time.

And I’d love to tell you the story

of the two ancient spoons
that brought me there.

One day back in 2011,

this beautiful 2,500-year-old spoon

went up for sale
at a Christie’s auction house

in London.

I saw it through the catalog entry

that had the label
“An Achaemenid silver kyathos.”

It’s a mouthful.

So, “kyathos” is an ancient term
for something like a ladle,

so we’ll call it a spoon.

And Achaemenid is a reference
to the First Persian Empire.

Now, there was really nothing particular
about the spoon at first

until my eyes wandered
to the auctioneer’s notes.

They refer to the existence
of another virtually identical spoon

that was owned by the Metropolitan
Museum of Art in New York.

The only difference with this spoon
was that it was labeled as being Greek.

So this perked my interest.

Here we had two
virtually identical spoons,

probably made in the same workshop
or even by the same hands,

and two very established authorities today

slotting them into opposing origins.

Did they belong to the Greek tradition,

or were they a part
of their enemies heritage,

the Persian’s?

Now, it isn’t that uncommon
for experts to disagree.

After all, the farther back we go,
the blurrier things get.

But I decided to keep
looking into it anyway,

and I’m glad I did,

because by the end of it,

I had a completely different understanding
of what I was looking at.

I discovered that back in the 80s

in New York,

the Metropolitan Museum
was battling a lawsuit

that had a group of over 300 artifacts,

including that twin spoon
at the center of it.

The lawsuit was brought against them
by the Turkish government.

Turkey was accusing the Met
of knowingly buying looted artifacts

that had been smuggled
out of their country

and then misrepresenting them
as being Greek to cover up the fact.

They had evidence to prove

that these artifacts
came from the burial mounds

of a people who lived a long time ago
in western Anatolia,

and more importantly,

who did not identify
as either Greek or Persian.

We know these people today
as the Lidyans.

Thousands of years ago,

the Lidyans were a people who lived
on land that was rich with gold deposits,

and this brought them attention.

They first enjoyed a few centuries
of their own statehood

growing into this rich and proud culture

with plenty of interaction
with the rest of the ancient world.

And then one day, they were attacked,
conquered and colonized

by the Persian Empire to their east,

and a few centuries later,

by Alexander the Great
that came charging from the West.

Now, each time that the Lydians
were taken over,

we can assume that their way of life
changed permanently,

and there was a transfer
of people, power and culture.

But with that said, the Lydians are known

throughout all this time

to have remained both ethnically -

and many also argue, through language -

distinguishable from their
neighbors to either side.

In the ancient world,

they were widely attributed
with the invention of coin minting,

so we can thank currency
in our modern world to them.

And you may have also heard

the fable of King Midas
with the golden touch

that warns of the dangers
of having too many riches.

Well, it also originated
from that region long ago.

But unfortunately for the Lydians today,
they just don’t have a place

in our collective perception
of the ancient world,

because they confuse the binary narrative.

It took Turkey six years

to settle the lawsuit
with the Metropolitan Museum

and bring that group of artifacts,
including the one spoon,

back home.

But it never affected the bigger picture,

because over 20 years later,

the spoon that I had first noticed
in the auction catalog

ended up having a really successful sale

with the same inaccurate label
of being Persian and having a Greek twin.

To me, it’s clear
that our institutions and experts

find it easier to label these spoons
as being either Persian or Greek

because putting forward
what they know they are

is both more ambiguous and complex.

And that’s never been good for business.

And as we see our
archaeological tools advance -

oh, sorry.

But the truth is

that we will never pinpoint
who made these spoons.

But it just as easily could have been,
let’s say, a Lydian artisan,

having been trained in the Persian arts,

creating work to the tastes
of Grecian aristocrats

who had been living in Lydia
for generations.

Now,

that seems like a lot more exciting
and relevant attribution to me.

But a truth that I’ve had
to accept about our present

is that the more complex
a world seems to become,

the more we seem to tightly hold on
to a black and white understanding of it,

whether that’s about today
or thousands of years ago.

And as I see us continue
to advance our archaeological tools

and even 3D digitize our artifacts
into complex collections online,

we may feel like we’re moving forward -
and in some ways we are -

but in my opinion,

we just keep moving farther away
from what history essentially is:

collective storytelling.

And I cannot stress enough
how important the start of a story is

because it sets the stage
for the rest of the events to unfold in.

If we instead revisit the ancient world
through what remains

and refill those blanks
with a new frame of mind,

not in order to narrate epic tales
of grand divisions and good over bad,

but to tell stories of syncretism,

that means the layering
of different peoples and cultures

to continuously transform us
into something new.

Well, then in a generation or two,

we might even have a chance

at slowly unraveling
some of the worst prejudices

built into our collective identity,

those that affect how we feel
around unfamiliar and foreign people.

It’s been a long time

since I stopped trying
to find my place in the world

by fitting into an established narrative.

My experience with the Lydian spoons
helped me see myself for what I am -

a culturally syncretic person
that often confuses the categories.

I’m a proud Iranian raised in the UAE

through a mixed bag of Arab,
Indian and British cultures.

Moreover, today I have
Canadian citizenship,

but I’ve made my home
here in the Netherlands

with my Italian partner.

It hasn’t been the easiest ride,

but I know that I am not
one in a million by far.

My generation, our generation,
and the next ones

are the most culturally syncretic people
to have ever existed.

So, it seems simple to me.

I ask our institutions and I ask you,

“Shouldn’t that be the perspective

from which we revisit and retell
the story of us,

starting from the very beginning?”

Thank you.

(Applause) (Cheers)

抄写员:Amanda Zhu
审稿人:Rhonda Jacobs

让我带你到

2500 年前的古希腊。

想象一队士兵
在战斗的边缘,

穿着锻造的盔甲和头盔

,紧紧
抓住他们的长矛和盾牌。

当他们听到命令时,

他们冲向无情的敌人,


坚信他们会取得胜利。

那天晚些时候,指挥官
和其他身着长袍的有地位的人

聚集在一起,
在躺椅上庆祝。

他们被喂葡萄,

他们喝葡萄酒

,他们
被妇女和年轻男孩招待,

同时讨论哲学
和民主,直到黄昏。

我怀疑我刚刚描述的内容
对于任何人来说都难以想象,

因为这些是
我们

对古代世界的集体认知中最重复的场景。

您可能会
想起童年的角色、电影、书籍

或令人难忘的博物馆实地考察,在

那里您可以看到这些希腊人使用
的盔甲和船只

你脑海

中的这些图像不仅仅是
对遥远过去的可视化。

它们

也是一种文化叙事的开始,它仍然
定义了属于西方的意义。

现在,如果我要提到
一些与这些希腊人

生活在同一时间
和同一世界

的其他民族的名字,

例如色雷斯人、利迪亚人

、达契亚人或斯基泰人,

我怀疑你是否听说过 他们,

更不用说将他们
视为您文化血统的一部分。

现在,这是为什么呢?

而且,为什么它在
几千年后很重要?

好吧,就个人而言,
我之所以进入古代历史,

是因为我决心
要找到进入西方的黑客。

我来自伊朗

,在阿拉伯联合酋长国长大。

在我年轻的时候,
我有一个天真的信念

,如果我成为
古希腊罗马历史的专家,

也就是西方文明的摇篮,

我会真诚地

洞察是什么让西方
如此强大和成功

了这么久 一段的时间。

在那个过程中,
我会考虑我在世界上的位置。

好吧,我最终确实到达了那里,

只是不是我所期望的那样,

因为
我在学习中自然而然地提出的各种问题

导致我的教授
有一天把我拉到

一边说,

“萨巴,你不是 对历史感兴趣。

你对历史学很感兴趣。”

这改变了
我看待一切的方式。

因此,历史学是一个研究

书写历史行为的领域。

它着眼于书写历史的更大背景

并提出诸如
“谁是历史学家?

他们
在他们的世界中的立场和看法是什么?

他们有哪些历史
资料的获取途径?

他们写的故事又是如何
影响社会的,反之亦然?”

透过这个镜头可以揭示的

是我们是如何得出我们目前
对古代世界的看法的。

这发生在最近
的 19 世纪和 20 世纪,

当时欧洲

处于现代化和国家建设的激动人心时期

,同时享受
着殖民帝国主义的高度。

早期的考古学家
和历史学家所能接触到的

只是关于古代世界的非常稀少的事实信息

而激发他们的动力
更多的是一种激情而不是方法。

这导致
了古代叙事

的写作,其中涉及大量
的空白。

毫不奇怪,

随着时间的推移,这些空白被
那个时代的意识形态所填补。

这包括
一种相当二元的

观点,它颂扬
民主战胜专制、

理性战胜野蛮、

人战胜自然

、西方战胜东方等思想。

我希望我能告诉你
,进入 21 世纪,

我们能够将
这些二元结构抛在脑后,

但事实是

,它们已经深深植根
于我们讲述我们起源故事的方式中,

从我们的博物馆内部
到我们的 教育系统

,从那里到我们的流行文化。

在我的研究中,有一个特别的时刻

真正
让我明白了这个问题

,我看到了问题暴露出来,同时也看到了解决这个问题

的潜在方法

我很想告诉你

把我带到那里的两个古老勺子的故事。

2011 年的一天,

这把拥有 2500 年历史的精美勺子在

伦敦佳士得拍卖行拍卖

我通过

标有
“An Achaemenid silver kyathos”标签的目录条目看到了它。

这是一口。

所以,“kyathos”是一个古老的术语
,指的是勺子之类的东西,

所以我们称它为勺子。

而阿契美尼德则是
指波斯第一帝国。

现在,
一开始勺子并没有什么特别之处,

直到我的视线
移到拍卖师的笔记上。

他们指的是纽约大都会艺术博物馆拥有
的另一个几乎相同的勺子

的存在

这把勺子的唯一区别
是它被标记为希腊语。

所以这引起了我的兴趣。

在这里,我们有两把
几乎相同的勺子,

可能是在同一个作坊
甚至是同一人手中制造的,

而今天有两个非常成熟的

权威将它们划分为对立的起源。

他们属于希腊传统,

还是他们的
敌人遗产

,波斯人的一部分?

现在,
专家不同意的情况并不少见。

毕竟,我们走得越远,
事情就越模糊。

但我还是决定继续
研究它

,我很高兴我做到了,

因为到最后,

我对
我所看到的东西有了完全不同的理解。

我发现早在 80

年代纽约

,大都会博物馆
正在与一场诉讼作斗争,

该诉讼涉及 300 多件文物,

包括
位于其中心的双汤匙。

土耳其政府对他们提起了诉讼

土耳其指责
大都会故意购买

走私
出境的掠夺文物

,然后将其歪曲
为希腊人以掩盖事实。

他们有证据

证明这些文物
来自

很久以前生活在安纳托利亚西部的一个人的墓葬

,更重要的是,

他们既不
认为是希腊人也不是波斯人。

我们今天将这些人
称为 Lidyans。

几千年前,

立甸人居住
在金矿丰富的土地上

,这引起了他们的注意。

他们首先享受了几个
世纪的国家地位,

成长为这种丰富而自豪的文化,并

与古代世界的其他地方进行了大量互动。

然后有一天,

他们被东方的波斯帝国攻击、征服

和殖民,几个世纪后,又


从西方冲来的亚历山大大帝攻击、征服和殖民。

现在,每次吕底亚人
被接管时,

我们都可以假设他们的生活方式
发生了永久性的变化,

并且发生
了人员、权力和文化的转移。

但话虽如此,吕底亚人

自始至终都在种族上——

而且许多人还通过语言争论——

在任何一方都与他们的邻居区分开来。

在古代世界,

它们被广泛归因
于铸币的发明,

因此我们可以感谢
现代世界的货币。

您可能还听说过

迈达斯国王的寓言,

它警告
拥有过多财富的危险。

嗯,它也起源
于很久以前的那个地区。

但不幸的是,对于今天的吕底亚人来说,
他们在我们

对古代世界的集体认知中没有一席之地,

因为他们混淆了二元叙述。

土耳其花了六年时间

与大都会博物馆解决诉讼,并将

包括一把勺子在内的这组文物

带回家。

但它从未影响到更大的图景,

因为 20 多年后,

我第一次
在拍卖目录中注意到的勺子

最终

以同样不准确的标签成功出售,即
是波斯人和希腊双胞胎。

对我来说,很明显
,我们的机构和专家

发现将这些勺子标记
为波斯语或希腊语更容易,

因为提出
他们所知道的

它们更加模棱两可和复杂。

这对企业来说从来都不是好事。

当我们看到我们的
考古工具在进步时——

哦,对不起。

但事实是

,我们永远无法确定
这些勺子是谁制造的。

但是,
比方说,一位吕底亚工匠

也很容易接受波斯艺术培训,

创作出符合世代

居住在吕底亚的希腊贵族口味的作品

现在,

这对我来说似乎是更令人兴奋
和相关的归因。


关于我们现在,我不得不接受的一个事实

是,
一个世界似乎

变得越复杂,我们似乎就越坚持
对它的非黑即白的理解,

无论是关于今天
还是几千年前 .

当我看到我们
继续推进我们的考古工具

,甚至将我们的文物 3D 数字
化为在线复杂的收藏品时,

我们可能会觉得我们正在向前迈进
——在某些方面我们确实如此——

但在我看来,

我们只是继续走得更远
从历史本质上来说:

集体讲故事。


怎么强调一个故事的开始是多么重要,

因为它
为其他事件的展开奠定了基础。

如果我们
通过剩下的东西重新审视古代世界,


用一种新的心态重新填补这些空白,

而不是 为了讲述
大分裂和好坏的史诗故事,

但要讲述融合的故事,

这意味着
不同民族和文化的分层,

以不断将我们
转变为新事物。

好吧,那么在一两代人之后,

我们甚至可能有

机会慢慢消除

我们集体身份中一些最严重的偏见,

这些偏见会影响我们
对陌生人和外国人的感受。

自从我不再试图通过融入既定叙事
来寻找自己在世界上

的位置以来,已经有很长一段时间了。

我使用 Lydian 勺子的经历
帮助我看到了自己的真实

面目——一个经常混淆分类的文化融合者

我是一个自豪的伊朗人,在阿联酋长大,

融合了阿拉伯、
印度和英国的文化。

此外,今天我拥有
加拿大公民身份,

但我

和我的意大利伙伴在荷兰安家。

这不是最简单的旅程,

但我知道到目前为止我还不
是百万分之一。

我这一代人,我们这一代人,
以及下一代

人是有史以来最具文化融合性的人

所以,对我来说似乎很简单。

我问我们的机构,我问你,

“这不应该是

我们从一开始就重新审视和重述
我们的故事的角度

吗?”

谢谢你。

(掌声)(欢呼)