The beauty and complexity of finding common ground Matt Trombley

Transcriber: Ivana Korom
Reviewer: Krystian Aparta

So our story started several years ago,

when my wife and I
got a complaint letter in the mail

from an anonymous neighbor.

(Laughter)

I’ll never forget the way
my wife transformed before my eyes

from this graceful, peaceful, sweet woman

into just an angry mother grizzly bear
whose cubs needed to be protected.

It was intense.

So here’s what happened.

This is our family.

This is my wife and I
and our five awesome kids.

We’re pretty loud,
we’re pretty rambunctious,

we’re us.

You’ll notice, though,
that two of our children

look a little different than Mary and I,

and that’s because they came to us
through adoption.

Our neighbor, though,
saw two different-looking children

playing outside of our house every day

and came to the conclusion

that we must have been running
an illegal day care out of our home.

(Murmuring)

We were really angry to have
our children stereotyped like that,

but I know that’s a relatively
minor example of racial profiling.

But isn’t it sometimes
what we all tend to do

with people who think differently,

or believe differently
or maybe even vote differently?

Instead of engaging as true neighbors,

we keep our distance

and our actions towards those

are guided by who we think
sees the world as we do

or who we think doesn’t.

See, what my neighbor suffered from
is a condition called agonism.

And sometimes we all suffer
from the same condition.

It’s not a medical condition,
but it is contagious.

So let’s talk a little bit
about what agonism is.

My favorite definition of agonism

is taking a warlike stance
in contexts that are not literally war.

Agonism comes from the same
Greek root word “agon”

from which we get “agony.”

How very appropriate.

We all tend to show symptoms of agonism

when we hold on
to two deeply held beliefs,

first identified by author Rick Warren.

The first one is that if love someone,

we must agree with all they do or believe.

And the second is the inverse,

that if we disagree with someone,

it must mean that we fear or we hate them.

Not sure we really recognize the agony
this way of thinking brings to us,

when our relationships die

because we think
we have to agree or disagree

no matter what.

Think about the conversations
we’ve had around Brexit,

or Hong Kong,

maybe Israeli settlements
or perhaps impeachment.

I bet we could all think
of at least one personal relationship

that’s been strained or maybe even ended
because of these topics,

or tragically,

over a topic much more trivial than those.

The cure for agonism is not out of reach.

The question is how.

So might I suggest two strategies

that my experience
has taught me to start with.

First, cultivate common ground,

which means focusing on what we share.

I want you to know I’m using my words
very, very deliberately.

By “cultivate,” I mean
we have to intentionally work

to find common ground with someone.

Just like a farmer works
to cultivate the soil.

And common ground is a common term,

so let me at least explain
what I don’t mean,

which is I don’t mean by common ground
that we were exact,

or that we totally agree and approve.

All I mean is that we find
one unifying thing

that we can have in a relationship
in common with another person.

You know, sometimes
that one thing is hard to find.

So I’d like to share a personal story,

but before I do,

let me tell you a little bit
more about myself.

I’m Caucasian,

cisgender male,

middle class, evangelical Christian.

And I know, as soon as some
of those words came out of my mouth,

some of you had some perceptions about me.

And it’s OK,

I know that not all
those perceptions are positive.

But for those who share my faith,

know that I’m about
to cut across the grain.

And you may tune me out as well.

So as we go,

if you’re having a hard time hearing me,

I just gently ask that you reflect

and see if you’re buying into agonism.

If you’re rejecting me

simply because you think
you see the world differently than I do,

because isn’t that
what we’re here talking about?

Alright, ready?

So I’ve been thinking a lot
about how to find common ground

in the area of gender fluidity,

as an evangelical Christian.

For Christians like me,

we believe that God
created us man and woman.

So what do I do?

Do I throw up my hands and say,

“I can’t have a relationship
with anybody who is transgender

or LGBTQIA?”

No.

That would be giving into agonism.

So I started looking
at the foundational aspects of my faith,

the first of which

is that of the three billion genes
that make us human –

and by the way, we share
99.9 percent of those genes –

that I believe those three billion genes
are the result of an intelligent designer.

And that immediately gives me
common ground with anybody.

What it also gives me …

is the belief that each
and every one of us

have been given the right to life

by that same intelligent designer.

I dug deeper though.

I found that my faith didn’t teach me

to start relationships
by arguing with somebody

until they believed what I believed,

or I convinced them.

No, it taught me to start relationships

by loving them as a coequal member
of the human race.

Honestly though,

some who share my faith draw a line

and refuse to address somebody
by their preferred gender pronoun.

But isn’t that believing the lie
that in order for me to honor you,

I have to give up what I believe?

Come back in time with me –

let’s say it’s 20 years ago,

and Muhammad Ali comes to your doorstep.

And you open the door.

Would you address him as Muhammad Ali

or his former name of Cassius Clay?

I’m guessing that most of you
would say Muhammad Ali.

And I’m also guessing that most of you

wouldn’t think we’d have to
immediately convert to Islam,

just by using his name.

To honor him would cost me,
would cost any of us

absolutely nothing,

and it would give us the common ground
to have a relationship.

And it’s the relationship
that cures agonism,

not giving up what we believe.

So for me to honor my faith,

it means rejecting
these rigid symptoms of agonism.

Meaning, I can and I will love you.

I can and I will accept you,

and I don’t have to buy into the lie

that if I do these things,
I have to give up what I believe

or chose to fear and hate you.

Because I’m focusing
on what we have in common.

When you can find even the smallest bit
of common ground with somebody,

it allows you to understand
just the beautiful wonder

and complexity

and majesty of the other person.

Our second strategy

gives us room to (Inhales)

breathe.

To pause.

To calm down.

To have the kind of relationships
that cure agonism.

And how to keep those relationships alive.

Our second strategy is to exchange
extravagant grace.

(Laughs)

Once again, I’m not mincing words –

by grace, I don’t mean
we should all go sign up for ballet,

that would be weird.

(Laughter)

What I mean is not canceling
everything over one mistake.

Even if that mistake
personally offended you.

Maybe even deeply.

Perhaps Holocaust survivor
Corrie ten Boom put it best

when she said,

“To forgive is to set a prisoner free,

only to realize that prisoner was me.”

My faith teaches me that we humans
will never be perfect,

myself very much included.

So we need the grace of a savior,

who for me is Jesus.

And while I define grace
in the context of my faith,

I know there’s a lot of other people
who have defined it differently

and in different ways.

One of my favorites is radio broadcaster
Oswald Hoffmann, who said,

“Grace is the love that loves the unlovely

and the unlovable.”

And I just love that picture of grace.

Because I know I am,

and maybe a lot of you can think of a time

when we’re just pretty dadgum unlovable.

So it would be the height of hypocrisy,

dare I say repulsive to my faith,

for me to accept

the unconditional, unqualified
grace and love from God

and then turn around

and put one precondition
on the love I give you.

What in the world would I be thinking?

And by extravagant, I mean over the top,

not just checking a box.

We can all remember when we were kids

and our parents forced us
to apologize to somebody

and we walked up to them
and said, (Angrily) “I’m sorry.”

We just got it over with, right?

That’s not what we’re talking about.

What we’re talking about
is not having to give someone grace

but choosing to and wanting to.

That’s how we exchange extravagant grace.

Listen, I know this can sound
really, really theoretical.

So I’d like to tell you
about a hero of mine.

A hero of grace.

It’s 2014.

In Iran.

And the mother of a murdered son
is in a public square.

The man who murdered her son
is also in that square,

by a gallows,

on a chair of some kind,

a noose around his neck

and a blindfold over his eyes.

Samereh Alinejad

had been given the sole right
under the laws of her country

to either pardon this man

or initiate his execution.

Put another way, she could pardon him

or literally push that chair
out from underneath his feet.

(Exhales)

I just …

I can’t picture the agony
going through both Samereh and this man

at the time.

Samereh with her choice to make,

and this man, in the account
that I read, was just weeping,

just begging for forgiveness.

And Samereh had a choice.

And she chose in that moment
to walk up to this man

and to slap him right across the face.

And that signaled her pardon.

It gets better.

Right afterwards, somebody asked her,

they interviewed her,
and she was quoted as saying,

“I felt as if rage vanished
from within my heart

and the blood in my veins
began to flow again.”

Isn’t that incredible?

I mean, what a picture of grace,
what a hero of grace.

And there’s a lesson in there
for all of us.

That as theologian John Piper said,

“Grace is power, not just pardon.”

And if you think about it,

grace is the gift we give
someone else in a relationship

that says our relationship
is way more important

than the things that separate us.

And if you really think
about it some more,

we all have the power to execute
in our relationships,

or to pardon.

We never did find out
the identity of our anonymous neighbor.

(Laughter)

But if we did, I’d hope we’d simply say,

“Can we have coffee?”

And maybe there’s somebody
you need to have coffee with

and find your common ground with them.

Or maybe there’s somebody
you’re in a relationship with

and you need to exchange
extravagant grace.

Maybe go first.

These two strategies have taught me

how to exchange extravagant grace
in my relationships

and to enjoy the beautiful design
of my neighbors.

I want to continue to choose
relationships over agonism.

Will you choose to join me?

Thank you.

(Applause)

抄写员:Ivana Korom
审稿人:Krystian Aparta

我们的故事始于几年前,

当时我和妻子
收到一封匿名邻居寄来的投诉信

(笑声)

我永远不会忘记
我的妻子在我眼前

从这个优雅、和平、甜美的女人

变成了一只愤怒的灰熊妈妈,
它的幼崽需要保护。

很激烈。

所以这就是发生的事情。

这是我们的家人。

这是我和我的妻子
以及我们五个很棒的孩子。

我们
很吵,我们很吵闹,

我们就是我们。

不过,你会注意到,
我们的两个孩子

看起来与玛丽和我有点不同

,那是因为他们是通过收养来到我们这里的

然而,我们的邻居每天
看到两个长相不同的孩子

在我们家外面玩耍

,得出的结论

是,我们一定是在
家里经营一家非法的日托。

(低声)

我们真的很生气让
我们的孩子被这样刻板印象,

但我知道这
是种族定性的一个相对较小的例子。

但是,这难道不是有时
我们都倾向于

与想法不同

、信仰不同
甚至投票方式不同的人做的事情吗?

我们不是像真正的邻居那样参与,

而是保持距离

,我们对那些人的行动

是由我们认为谁以我们的方式
看待世界,

或者我们认为谁不是。

看,我的邻居患的
是一种叫做激动的情况。

有时我们都
遭受同样的情况。

这不是一种医疗状况,
但它具有传染性。

所以让我们稍微
谈谈什么是激动。

我最喜欢对激动的定义


在实际上不是战争的情况下采取好战的立场。

激动来自同一个
希腊词根“agon”

,我们从中得到“agony”。

多么合适。

当我们
坚持两个根深蒂固的信念时,我们都倾向于表现出激动的症状,

首先由作者里克沃伦确定。

第一个是如果爱一个人,

我们必须同意他们所做或相信的一切。

第二个是相反的

,如果我们不同意某人,

那一定意味着我们害怕或讨厌他们。

不确定我们是否真的认识到
这种思维方式给我们带来的痛苦,

当我们的关系

因为我们认为无论如何
都必须同意或不同意而死亡时

想想
我们围绕英国退欧

、香港、

以色列定居点
或弹劾进行的对话。

我敢打赌,我们都可以
想到至少有一种个人关系

因为这些话题而变得紧张甚至可能结束

或者可悲的是,

在一个比这些话题更微不足道的话题上。

治疗激动并非遥不可及。

问题是如何。

因此,我可以

建议我的
经验教会我开始使用的两种策略。

首先,培养共同点,

这意味着专注于我们的共同点。

我想让你知道我
非常非常刻意地使用我的话。

我所说的“培养”是指
我们必须有意识地

努力寻找与某人的共同点。

就像
农民耕种土壤一样。

共同点是一个通用术语,

所以让我至少解释
一下我的意思不是

,我说的共同点不是指

我们完全一致,或者我们完全同意和赞同。

我的意思是,我们

在与另一个人的共同关系中找到了一种统一的东西。

你知道,有时
那一件事很难找到。

所以我想分享一个个人故事,

但在我这样做之前,

让我再告诉你
一些关于我自己的事情。

我是白种人,

顺性别男性,

中产阶级,福音派基督徒。

而且我知道,当
这些话中的一些从我嘴里说出来时

,你们中的一些人就对我有了一些看法。

没关系,

我知道并非所有
这些看法都是积极的。

但对于那些与我有共同信仰的人,要

知道我
即将跨过谷物。

你也可以把我调出来。

所以在我们开始的时候,

如果你很难听到我的话,

我只是轻轻地要求你反思一下

,看看你是否接受了痛苦。

如果你拒绝我

只是因为你认为
你对世界的看法与我不同,

因为这不是
我们在这里谈论的吗?

好的,准备好了吗?

因此,作为福音派基督徒,我一直在
思考如何

在性别流动性领域找到共同点

对于像我

这样的基督徒,我们相信上帝
创造了我们男人和女人。

那我该怎么办?

我会举手说:

“我不能
和任何变性人

或 LGBTQIA 人建立关系吗?”

不,

那将是屈服于激动。

所以我开始研究
我信仰的基本方面

,首先

是使我们成为人类的 30 亿个基因

——顺便说一句,我们共享
99.9% 的基因

——我相信这 30 亿个基因
是一个聪明的设计师的结果。

这立即让我
与任何人有共同点。

它还给了我

……相信我们
每个人

被同一位聪明的设计师赋予了生命权。

不过我挖得更深了。

我发现我的信仰并没有教我

通过与某人争论来建立关系,

直到他们相信我所相信的,

或者我说服了他们。

不,它教会我

通过爱他们作为人类的平等
成员来建立关系。

不过老实说,

一些与我有共同信仰的人划清界限

,拒绝
用他们喜欢的性别代词来称呼某人。

但是,这不是相信
我为了尊重你,

就必须放弃我所相信的谎言吗?

和我一起回到过去——

假设是 20 年前

,穆罕默德·阿里来到你家门口。

你打开门。

你会称呼他为穆罕默德·阿里

还是他以前的名字卡修斯·克莱?

我猜你们中的大多数人
会说穆罕默德·阿里。

而且我猜你们中的大多数

人不会认为我们必须
立即皈依伊斯兰教,

只需使用他的名字。

为了纪念他,我
会付出代价,不会让我们任何人付出任何代价

,这会让我们有共同的基础
来建立一段关系。

正是这种关系
可以治愈激动,

而不是放弃我们所相信的。

所以对我来说,要尊重我的信仰,

就意味着拒绝
这些僵化的痛苦症状。

意思是,我可以而且我会爱你。

我可以而且我会接受你

,我不必

相信如果我做这些事情,
我必须放弃我所相信的

或选择害怕和恨你的谎言。

因为我关注
的是我们的共同点。

当你能与某人找到哪怕是最微小
的共同点时,

它会让你了解对方
的美丽奇迹

、复杂性

和威严。

我们的第二个策略

给了我们(吸气)

呼吸的空间。

暂停。

冷静下来。

拥有
可以治愈焦虑症的那种关系。

以及如何让这些关系保持活力。

我们的第二个策略是交换
奢侈的优雅。

(笑)

再一次,我不是在拐弯抹角

——老实说,我并不是说
我们都应该报名参加芭蕾舞,

那会很奇怪。

(笑声)

我的意思不是
因为一个错误就取消一切。

即使那个错误
个人冒犯了你。

甚至可能很深。

也许大屠杀幸存者
Corrie 10 Boom 说得最好

,她说:

“宽恕就是释放一个囚犯,然后

才意识到那个囚犯就是我。”

我的信仰告诉我,我们人类
永远不会完美,

包括我自己。

所以我们需要救主的恩典

,对我来说他就是耶稣。

虽然
我在信仰的背景下定义了恩典,但

我知道还有很多其他人

以不同的方式和不同的方式来定义它。

我最喜欢的一位是广播电台
主持人奥斯瓦尔德霍夫曼,他说:

“恩典是爱不可爱

和不可爱的爱。”

我就是喜欢那幅优雅的画面。

因为我知道我是

,也许你们中的很多人会想到

我们只是非常不可爱的时候。

所以这将是虚伪的高度,

我敢说我的信仰令人厌恶,让我

接受上帝无条件的,无条件
的恩典和爱

,然后转身

以我给你的爱为前提。

我到底在想什么?

奢侈,我的意思是在顶部,

而不仅仅是检查一个盒子。

我们都记得当我们还是孩子的时候

,我们的父母强迫我们
向某人道歉

,我们走到他们
面前说,(愤怒地)“对不起。”

我们刚刚结束了,对吧?

这不是我们在谈论的。

我们所说
的不是必须给予某人恩典,

而是选择和想要。

这就是我们交换奢侈恩典的方式。

听着,我知道这听起来
真的,真的很理论。

所以我想告诉你
我的一个英雄。

优雅的英雄。

现在是 2014

年。在伊朗。

一个被谋杀的儿子的母亲
在公共广场上。

谋杀她儿子的那个人
也在那个广场

上,在绞刑架旁,

坐在某种椅子上,

脖子上套着绳索

,眼睛蒙着眼罩。

根据她所在国家/地区的法律,Samereh Alinejad 被赋予

了赦免此人

或开始处决他的唯一权利。

换句话说,她可以原谅他,

或者直接把那把椅子
从他脚下推开。

(呼气)

我只是……

我无法
想象当时 Samereh 和这个人所经历的痛苦

Samereh 和她的选择,

而这个男人,在
我读到的叙述中,只是在哭泣,

只是乞求宽恕。

Samereh 有一个选择。

在那一刻,她选择
走到这个男人

面前,扇了他一巴掌。

这标志着她的原谅。

它变得更好了。

紧接着,有人问她,

他们采访了她
,引述她的话说:

“我觉得愤怒似乎
从我的心中消失了

,我的血管里的血液
又开始流动了。”

这不是很不可思议吗?

我的意思是,多么优雅的图画,
多么优雅的英雄。


对我们所有人来说都是一个教训。

正如神学家约翰·派博所说,

“恩典是力量,而不仅仅是赦免。”

如果你想一想,

恩典是我们
在一段关系

中给予他人的礼物,它表明我们的关系

比分开我们的东西更重要。

如果你真的再
想一想,

我们都有能力
在我们的关系中执行

或原谅。

我们从来没有发现
我们匿名邻居的身份。

(笑声)

但如果我们这样做了,我希望我们只是说,

“我们可以喝咖啡吗?”

也许你需要和某个人
一起喝咖啡,

并找到与他们的共同点。

或者,也许有人与
你有关系

,你需要交换
奢侈的恩典。

也许先走。

这两种策略教会了我

如何在人际关系中交换奢侈的优雅

并享受邻居的美丽
设计。

我想继续选择
关系而不是激动。

你会选择加入我吗?

谢谢你。

(掌声)