Breaking the Binary

Transcriber: Paulina Kaniewska
Reviewer: Rhonda Jacobs

I once read it takes seven seconds
to make a first impression of someone.

That’s why I waited seven seconds
before I started speaking.

I wanted you to take
a good look at me first.

I wanted you to form your first impression
of me without hearing my voice

because I know probably a lot of you
are thinking the same thing right now:

“Wow! I did not expect that voice
to come out of that person.”

I’ve heard it a million times -
it surprises people.

The wheels in your head
probably started spinning:

“OK, so he looks like a dude -
whatever a dude looks like -

but she sounds like a girl -
whatever a girl sounds like.

So, wait, what am I looking at?”

You’re looking at me.

My name is Thorn, I’m 25 years old,
and I’m an actor living in Amsterdam.

And I’m also non-binary.

I’m not a man, and I’m not a woman.

Did you read that from
our seven-second first impression?

The pattern I’ve noticed
with people’s first interaction with me

is one of being puzzled.

You and me - we -

we’re already past the first seven seconds
of our first impression,

and hopefully you’re still looking at me

from the audience, or maybe at home
from a laptop screen or a phone screen.

The wheels in your head
are starting to spin,

you try to fit the pieces together,

but some of it just won’t fit.

And it’s because I don’t fit
into your binary world.

You know, I have a theory, a theory
of why it is confusing to see me -

it’s because from that same little laptop
or phone screen, or maybe a bigger screen,

a TV or a cinema,

you don’t see enough people like me.

Representation matters, but do we know
how much it really does?

And I happen to know quite a lot
about representation because I’m an actor.

I’ve told you before, but I will repeat it
because sometimes our brains stop working

after we hear the word “non-binary,”
and it’s all we tend to see.

It’s kind of a thing -
silly little brain, right?

“Non-binary.”

That’s labeling,
and labelling is limiting.

Because yes, I am non-binary,

but I’m also so much more.

I’m someone’s partner.
I’m someone’s friend.

I’m a horrible cook.

I’m a Leo.

I’m quite obsessed with brushing my teeth.

I love to dance - both when no one
is watching and when everyone is watching.

I’m an activist. And I’m an actor.

And actually, and I say this with pride,
but also a small hint of frustration -

I was the first non-binary actor
that played a non-binary character

in a Dutch TV show - ever.

Pride - because let’s be honest,
it’s pretty cool, but also frustration -

because since there have been
non-binary people in my country, which is

since the beginning of humanity,

in 2020, 20-20, I had to be the first.

And that is late.

Why, if we are so many, only so few of us
get to be represented in modern day media?

I know for a fact

that you have crossed a non-binary person
walking in the streets.

Maybe you didn’t realize
because you cannot really tell

if someone’s non-binary
based on how they look,

but we are here.

We are a part of this society,

so why aren’t we a part of how society
is being presented to you?

Don’t we deserve representation?

We need a representation of our world

that’s in balance with the world
that we live in - in balance with society.

But if I turn on my TV,
I mostly see worlds

consisting of white, cisgender,
heteronormative people.

Lots of groups don’t get representation,
and if a group doesn’t get representation,

it’s silenced.

It’s made invisible.

A lack of representation
means a lack of visibility,

and if something is invisible,

it’s easy to be perceived as nonexistent.

“Non-binary is bullshit.”
“There are only two genders.”

“I identify as a helicopter.”

“You’re making this up to get attention” -
I hear this on a daily basis.

This binary world with binary toilets,

binary passports,

and binary gender representation
has created a gap

between those who live

and those whose lived experiences
are being played out on screen.

And why is that a problem?
Is it really that bad?

Well, it’s a problem because it results
in people walking around for 21 years

without ever seeing themselves,

21 years without having a role model,

21 years without even having the language
to give words to their feelings.

People like me.

I was 21 when I heard the word
“non-binary” for the first time,

and it was probably
one of the best days of my life.

I’m 25 right now, and I’ve been playing
non-binary characters

in TV shows and on a movie.

I had no acting experience,

at least if you ignore the fact
I’ve been playing a role for 21 years.

But just imagine
what my life would’ve been like

if I’d seen this character
when I was a kid.

I mean, my life is pretty
awesome right now,

but it would probably have gotten
awesome a lot sooner.

In the famous words
of Marian Wright Edelman:

“You cannot be what you cannot see.”

But seeing non-binary representation on TV
is not only beneficial for people like me,

for kids like me,

but also for people who are living
with people like me,

which is everyone,

because like I said before,

you’ve probably crossed a non-binary
person walking in the streets.

We are in this world together,
so we might as well get along.

Right?

I respect you, and you respect me.

Respecting me just happens to be easier
if you know how to address me -

with, for example,
gender neutral pronouns,

like “they/them.”

And while not every non-binary person
uses “they/them” pronouns,

certainly a lot of us do.

Respecting me means
respecting my gender identity,

which also means respecting my pronouns.

And I know you might be thinking:

“Ach, It’s so hard, I’m trying,
but I cannot get used to it.”

Believe me, I know. I do.

But would it be as hard
if a character in your favorite film

used “they/them” pronouns?

If you would hear this type of sentences
every day, wouldn’t it help?

I hope it would.

And I hope it would make you less confused
when hearing a “feminine voice”

coming out of a masculine presenting body.

I hope it would make you less confused

when navigating outside or in between
the conventions of our gender binary.

And I dare to hope -
because I’m an optimist.

I hope to see more people
beyond the binary on TV -

I know there’re many faces of my community
and I want to see all of you represented.

In the famous words of,
like I said before, Marian Wright Edelman:

“You cannot be what you cannot see.”

So I want to see you.

And this brings me to the next part,

because it’s really cool
to see such a positive reaction

to the first non-binary person on TV,

but it does bring up another challenge.

Because if there’s only one face

of being non-binary
represented in the media,

how do we make sure
everyone feels represented?

How do we make sure non-binary
kids of color feel represented?

How do we make sure femme non-binaries
can see themselves?

Well, the answer is simple:

We need more.

We need more representation
of a more diverse scope of people

beyond the binary.

And this is an important note to make:

My statement is about me wanting
to see more people like me,

but not necessarily more people
who look like me

because not all non-binary
people look like me.

So yeah - I’m visible,
but no - it’s not enough.

Seeing me is not enough.

I want to see you.

And then, hopefully, when we walk
into the room, people won’t be thinking:

“What am I looking at?”
because they’ve seen us before.

They know we exist, and they know that
because we are visible.

So what can you do?

Well, if you are a casting director,

hopefully your sensors’ve been triggered
and you’re ready to cast some new talent,

but most of you probably
aren’t casting directors,

so you might be thinking
this is not about you.

But it is.

Let’s just look at the acting industry as
one of those industries and areas in life

in which representation is an issue.

Health care doesn’t know
what to do with us.

We cannot see ourselves on passports,
in magazines, in politics -

We get run out of toilets, dressing rooms.

If we order a book online,
we still have to fill out a form

saying whether we are a man or a woman.

The world is trying
really hard to erase us.

And if we fight the fight
and finally become visible,

we often pay a high price for it.

That’s why we need
people to look out for us.

We need allies, we -

we need you.

You can educate yourself - read a book,
watch a documentary, listen to a podcast.

You can use your privilege to create space
and opportunities for others.

And if you do take up space,
which we should all be able to do,

you should ask yourself:

“Is this my space to claim?”

Let me elaborate on what I mean by that

by giving you an example
from my own field.

Say you are a cisgender actor, and you
get asked to play a transgender role.

And you know there are many trans actors
sitting at home without work

because casting directors
“don’t know where to find them.”

And in the meantime, trans actors
don’t get asked to play cis roles

because “they’re too trans,” or at least
they get taught they’re too trans.

Why then in this state
of unequal opportunity

should a cisgender actor
play a transgender role?

And this is the perfect time
for you to ask yourself:

“Is this my space to claim?”

And if you ask me, the answer
would probably be “no.”

And this doesn’t mean you don’t deserve
great opportunities because everyone does.

It just means that maybe
this is not your great opportunity.

We all deserve visability,

so if you’ve got
the privilege to be visible,

it’s your duty to notice
when someone else is made invisible.

So call them out.

Call out those institutions
that marginalize people beyond the binary,

or even worse - only use them
to make themselves look more inclusive,

but don’t contribute
to any substantial change.

Use your social media, your voice,
your privilege to tell them it’s not OK.

That we have to see the true talent
in people beyond using them as a token.

And most of all - demand change.

I demanded change.

And I’m still demanding change.
Every single day.

I’m doing it right now.

And then hopefully,
we can start the next chapter.

We both get represented.
We share the screen.

We are starting to become equals.

I am becoming more
than just a label to you.

And we can start bonding a relationship.

I stop being the other,

and I start being Thorn.

I gave you seven seconds
to make a first impression of me,

but I’m giving you a lifetime
to get to know me.

Thank you.

(Applause) (Cheers)

抄写员:Paulina Kaniewska
审稿人:Rhonda Jacobs

我曾经读过它需要七秒钟
才能给某人留下第一印象。

这就是为什么我等了七秒钟
才开始说话。

我想让你
先好好看看我。

我想让你在
没有听到我声音的情况下形成对我的第一印象,

因为我知道你们中的很多人现在可能
都在想同样的事情:

“哇! 我没想到那个
声音会从那个人身上发出来。”

我已经听过一百万次了——
它让人们感到惊讶。

你脑子里的轮子
可能开始旋转了:

“好吧,所以他看起来像个帅哥——
不管帅哥长什么样——

但她听起来像个女孩——
不管女孩听起来是什么样子。

所以,等等,我在看什么?”

你在看着我。

我叫 Thorn,今年 25 岁
,是一名住在阿姆斯特丹的演员。

而且我也是非二进制的。

我不是男人,也不是女人。

你是从
我们七秒的第一印象中读到的吗?


人们第一次与我互动时,我注意到的模式

是困惑。

你和我——我们——

我们已经过了第一印象的前 7 秒

,希望你仍然

在观众中看着我,或者可能在家里
从笔记本电脑屏幕或手机屏幕上看着我。

你脑袋里的轮子
开始转动,

你试着把这些碎片拼在一起,

但有些拼不起来。

那是因为我不
适合你的二元世界。

你知道,我有一个理论,一个
关于为什么看到我会感到困惑的理论 -

这是因为从同一个小笔记本电脑
或手机屏幕,或者更大的屏幕

,电视或电影院,

你看不到足够多的人喜欢 我。

代表很重要,但我们知道
它到底有多大作用吗?

而且我碰巧知道很多
关于表现的知识,因为我是一名演员。

我之前告诉过你,但我会重复一遍,
因为有时我们的大脑

在听到“非二进制”这个词后就会停止工作,
而这正是我们所看到的。

这有点像——
愚蠢的小脑袋,对吧?

“非二进制。”

那是标签
,标签是限制性的。

因为是的,我不是二元的,

但我也更多。

我是某人的搭档。
我是某人的朋友。

我是个糟糕的厨师。

我是狮子座。

我对刷牙很着迷。

我喜欢跳舞——无论是在没有人
在看的时候,还是在每个人都在看的时候。

我是一个活动家。 而我是一名演员。

事实上,我很自豪地说这句话,
但也有一点沮丧——

我是第
一个在荷兰电视节目中扮演非二元角色的非二元演员

——有史以来。

骄傲——因为老实说,
这很酷,但也很沮丧——

因为自从人类开始以来
,我的国家就有非二元人

在 2020 年,20-20 年,我必须成为第一个。

那已经晚了。

为什么,如果我们有这么多,我们中只有那么少的人
能够在现代媒体中得到代表?

我知道一个事实

,你遇到了一个走在街上的非二元人

也许您没有意识到,
因为您无法根据他们的外表来真正

判断某人是否是非二进制
的,

但我们在这里。

我们是这个社会

的一部分,那么为什么我们不成为
社会呈现给你的一部分呢?

我们不值得代表吗?

我们需要一个与我们生活

的世界保持平衡的世界
的代表——与社会保持平衡。

但如果我打开电视,
我看到的大部分世界都是

由白人、顺性别、
异性恋的人组成的。

很多团体没有得到代表
,如果一个团体没有得到代表,

它就会被沉默。

它变得不可见。

缺乏代表性
意味着缺乏可见性

,如果某些东西是不可见的,

就很容易被视为不存在。

“非二进制是胡说八道。”
“只有两种性别。”

“我认为是一架直升机。”

“你编这个是为了引起注意”——
我每天都听到这个。

这个具有二元厕所、

二元护照

和二元性别表示的二元世界

生活者和生活经历
在屏幕上播放的人之间造成了鸿沟。

为什么这是一个问题?
真的有那么糟糕吗?

嗯,这是一个问题,因为它
导致人们走来走去 21 年

没有看到自己,

21 年没有榜样,

21 年甚至没有
语言来表达他们的感受。

像我这样的人。

当我
第一次听到“非二进制”这个词时,我才 21 岁

,那可能
是我一生中最美好的日子之一。

我现在 25 岁,我一直

在电视节目和电影中扮演非二进制角色。

我没有表演经验,

至少如果你忽略
我已经扮演一个角色 21 年的事实。

但是想象
一下,

如果我小时候看到这个角色
,我的生活会是什么样子。

我的意思是,我
现在的生活非常棒,

但它可能会
很快变得棒极了。

用玛丽安·赖特·爱德曼 (Marian Wright Edelman) 的名言:

“你不能成为你看不到的东西。”

但是在电视上看到非二进制表示
不仅对像我这样的人、

对像我这样的孩子有益,而且对和我这样

的人一起生活
的人也有益,

因为就像我之前说的,

你可能已经跨越了一个
走在街上的非二元人。

我们在这个世界上在一起,
所以我们不妨相处。

对?

我尊重你,你也尊重我。

如果你知道如何称呼我

,那么尊重我会更容易——例如,使用
中性代词,

比如“他们/他们”。

虽然不是每个非二元的人都
使用“他们/他们”代词,但

我们中的很多人肯定会这样做。

尊重我意味着
尊重我的性别认同,

这也意味着尊重我的代词。

我知道你可能会想:

“啊,这太难了,我正在努力,
但我无法习惯。”

相信我,我知道。 我做。

但是,
如果您最喜欢的电影中的角色

使用“他们/他们”代词,会不会那么难?

如果你每天都听到这种类型的句子
,会不会有帮助?

我希望它会。

我希望当你
听到一个男性化的身体发出“女性的声音”时,它会让你不那么困惑

我希望


我们的性别二进制约定之外或之间导航时,它会让您不那么困惑。

我敢于希望——
因为我是一个乐观主义者。

我希望
在电视上看到更多超越二进制的人——

我知道我的社区有很多面孔
,我希望看到你们所有人都有代表。

正如我之前所说,用玛丽安·赖特·爱德曼 (Marian Wright Edelman) 的名言:

“你不能成为你看不见的人。”

所以我想见你。

这将我带到了下一部分,

因为

在电视上看到对第一个非二进制人的如此积极反应真的很酷,

但它确实带来了另一个挑战。

因为如果媒体中只有一张

非二元
代表的面孔,

我们如何确保
每个人都感到被代表?

我们如何确保
有色人种的非二元孩子感觉有代表性?

我们如何确保女性非二进制
可以看到自己?

嗯,答案很简单:

我们需要更多。 除了二进制之外,

我们需要更多
代表更多样化的人

这是一个重要的说明:

我的声明是关于我
希望看到更多像我这样的人,

但不一定是更多
看起来像我的人,

因为并非所有非二元的
人都像我一样。

所以是的 - 我是可见的,
但不 - 这还不够。

见了我还不够。

我要见你。

然后,希望当我们
走进房间时,人们不会想:

“我在看什么?”
因为他们以前见过我们。

他们知道我们存在,他们知道这
一点是因为我们是可见的。

所以,你可以做什么?

好吧,如果您是选角导演,

希望您的传感器已经被触发,
并且您已准备好选角一些新人才,

但你们中的大多数人可能
不是选角导演,

所以您可能认为
这与您无关。

但它是。

让我们将表演行业视为
生活

中代表存在问题的行业和领域之一。

医疗保健不
知道该怎么处理我们。

我们无法在护照
、杂志、政治上看到自己——

我们的厕所、更衣室都用完了。

如果我们在网上订购一本书,
我们仍然需要填写一张表格,

说明我们是男性还是女性。

世界正在
努力抹去我们。

如果我们奋力抗争
并最终变得可见,

我们往往会为此付出高昂的代价。

这就是为什么我们需要
人们关注我们。

我们需要盟友,我们——

我们需要你。

你可以自学——读一本书、
看一部纪录片、听一个播客。

您可以利用您的特权为他人创造空间
和机会。

如果你确实占用了
我们都应该能够做到的空间,

你应该问自己:

“这是我要占用的空间吗?”

让我

通过给你一个
我自己领域的例子来详细说明我的意思。

假设你是一名顺性别演员,你
被要求扮演一个跨性别角色。

而且你知道有很多跨性别演员
没有工作就坐在家里,

因为选角导演
“不知道在哪里可以找到他们”。

与此同时,跨性别演员
不会被要求扮演顺式角色,

因为“他们太跨性别了”,或者至少
他们被教导他们太跨性别了。

那么,为什么在这种
机会不平等的状态下,

顺性别演员要
扮演跨性别角色呢?


是你问自己的最佳时机:

“这是我的空间吗?”

如果你问我,答案
可能是“不”。

这并不意味着你不应该得到
很好的机会,因为每个人都应该。

这只是意味着也许
这不是你的好机会。

我们都值得被看见,

所以如果你
有特权被看见

,你有责任注意到
其他人何时被隐形。

所以叫他们出来。

呼吁那些
将人们边缘化的机构超越二元,

甚至更糟 - 仅使用
它们使自己看起来更具包容性,

但不会
为任何实质性改变做出贡献。

用你的社交媒体、你的声音、
你的特权告诉他们这不好。

我们必须看到人们真正的才能,而不是
把他们当作象征。

最重要的是——需求变化。

我要求改变。

我仍然要求改变。
每一天。

我现在正在做。

然后希望
我们可以开始下一章。

我们都有代表。
我们共享屏幕。

我们开始变得平等。


对你来说不仅仅是一个标签。

我们可以开始建立关系。

我不再是另一个

,我开始成为荆棘。

我给了你七秒钟的时间
来给我留下第一印象,

但我给了你一生的时间
来了解我。

谢谢你。

(掌声)(欢呼)