Can I have your brain The quest for truth on concussions and CTE Chris Nowinski

I’m Chris Nowinski, and odds are
if you’ve met me in the last five years

I’ve asked you, after a few minutes,
a bit of an odd question:

Can I have your brain?

Now, it only seems like a strange question
if you don’t know my story

so please let me share it with you.

I grew up outside of Chicago,
and I was an athlete

and I was very lucky to get recruited
to play football at Harvard University.

So that’s me.

And then after graduating,
like most Harvard graduates,

I decided I wanted to join the WWE.

So that’s also me.

(Laughter)

Sure you remember me
from Monday Night Raw in 2002 and 2003,

and I had a blast

playing what people
affectionately like to call

Chris Harvard, the Ivy League snob.

(Laughter)

It was perfect for me.

But unfortunately,

I got kicked in the head
by my colleague Bubba Ray Dudley,

and I suffered a severe concussion.

And it led to what became
permanent postconcussion symptoms:

constant headaches, inability to sleep,
depression, feeling in a fog.

And in that first year,

I tried to figure out
how could I make this pain go away.

And I wasn’t getting
the answers I needed from doctors,

and so I started digging
into the medical literature.

And I found there’s
this whole story about concussions

that we weren’t really being told.

So I decided to write a book about it,

called “Head Games:
Football’s Concussion Crisis”

that came out in 2006.

But in that process, I learned
it’s not really just about concussions.

I learned about a disease called
chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE.

What we used to call punch-drunk,
because we only knew about it from boxers.

We knew that getting hit in the head
too many times with boxers

would cause their brain to essentially
start to rot, to degenerate.

And they’d have symptoms

like memory problems
and problems with cognition,

depression, impulse
control issues, aggression.

So basically, I got …

I got injured at the right time,

in which the first two NFL players
were studied for this disease.

And it turned out they both had it.

The first was Mike Webster,
50 years old, already had dementia.

The second, Terry Long,
45 years old when he took his life.

The medical examiner in Pittsburgh
decided to look at their brains

and found this disease.

I wrote a chapter about it,

and I thought people would make
a big deal out of it.

But shockingly, even when
the first two cases came in positive,

there was never a national
news story about this,

what’s going on in football
with these cases of CTE.

So the book comes out,

not a whole lot is happening,

and one day I read the newspaper –
November 20, 2006.

I find out that Andre Waters
just took his life.

Those of you who know football,

Andre Waters was someone
I grew up watching.

Former Philadelphia Eagles strong safety,

[44] years old,
a Division II football coach

when he decided to put a gun to his head.

In the article they reminded me,
his nickname was Dirty Waters.

He was known for leading with his head,

so I thought I’m just going to look up

did he ever talk
about the concussions he had.

And I found a quote from 1994
where Andre Waters said,

“I stopped counting my concussions at 15.

I wouldn’t say anything, I’d just sniff
smelling salts and go back out there.”

And I thought, I wonder
if he might have CTE, too.

If that might have contributed to whatever
made him choose to end his life.

So I ended up calling the doctor
who did the first two studies, and I said,

“Hey, I think you should
study Andre Waters.”

And he said, “I’d be happy to.

The problem is, the first two cases
died in the county in which I work,

and I could study them as part of my job.

I can’t do that with Andre Waters,
he died in Florida.

If you want me to study him,
you’re going to have to figure out

how to get me the brain.”

So I said, “OK.

How does one get a brain?”

(Laughter)

So I racked my brain

and I thought, why don’t I call
the medical examiner

who I think has the brain right now?

So I called up the medical examiner
in Florida, and I said,

“Hey, you don’t know me, but do you still
have the brain of Andre Waters?”

(Laughter)

And he said, “Yes, I do.”

I said, “OK, are you going to
study him for CTE?”

And he said no, in fact at that time
he didn’t believe that was a real disease.

I said, “OK, if you’re not,
do you mind if I have it?”

And he said, “Well, young man,

I can’t give you the brain.

You need his family’s permission.

But if you do get the permission
of his next of kin,

I will release the brain to you.”

And I said, “Great!”

And then I realized I had to figure out
who his next of kin was and ask them,

and it turned out it was
Andre Waters’s 88-year-old mother.

And I sat there, and I took
a breath and I thought,

“Am I really going to cold-call
an 88-year-old grieving mother

who just lost her son to suicide?”

And almost everything in me
said, “Don’t do it.

It’s too much to put
this poor woman through,

she’s been through so much already.”

But then this other voice in my head said,

“You know what?

If guys are killing themselves
from this disease

and we could study it to maybe
prevent this from happening in the future,

sometimes you’ve just got to suck it up
and do something that’s very hard.”

So I called her.

First time, nobody answered.

Second time, no one answered,
third… no voice mails.

The fifth time, I got an answer.

And thank God that Andre Waters’s family
was so gracious about the call and said,

“You know what, we want to know
what happened to Andre.

We want to know why he changed so much
in the last five years of his life.”

And so we studied the brain,

and it turned out that he did have CTE.

He became the third NFL player
diagnosed with the disease.

This is what it looks like.

He was somewhere between mild and severe.

OK, we have three
of three NFL players here.

Maybe this needs to get
a little bit more serious.

Maybe something’s happening here.

So I ended up starting
the Concussion Legacy Foundation,

actually formalized the work,

so it wasn’t just
some guy calling for brains.

And I searched the world.

And I put together
the best research team I could find.

So we partnered with Boston University,

we partnered with scientists
at the VA here in Boston,

and we started a brain bank.

Turns out, if you want to know
how to cure degenerative brain disease,

you have to start
by actually studying the brains.

At this point, we were the first center
in the world focused on CTE.

It just had not been studied formally.

And so we start this brain bank,
and it’s my job to get the brains

for Dr. Ann McKee
and her brain bank, right in the middle.

We also work with Dr. Bob Stern,
Dr. Robert Cantu,

truly my dream team
of scientists that I support.

So my job is to get the brains.

And I was very successful
in those early years.

Since 2007 I’ve started every day
by reading the obituaries.

And it’s a tough way to live.

And it’s hard on me

and it’s even worse on these
poor families that I’ve been calling

for the last 10 years,
to ask for their brains.

And so early on in the process,
as it started to really eat away at me,

I decided, you know what,
can I find another way

to get people to donate
their brains to this research?

And I figured out,
what if we could create a culture

of brain donation in this country?

What if it became normal for athletes
to donate their brain after they died?

And so what I started
was a brain donation registry.

And I started asking athletes

if they would publicly pledge
to donate their brain to science.

And it started with, actually,
a hockey player in 2009.

One of my first pledges
was a former Harvard hockey player,

Noah Welch, who was
in the NHL at the time.

It was a slow start people understanding
what this was about.

So when the news hit the front page,

“Noah Welch pledging
his brain to science,”

he said he went
to the locker room the next day,

one of his teammates
pulled him aside and said,

“Hey, I heard you’re donating
your brain to science.”

And he said, “Yep.”

And he said, “Wow.
How many games are you going to miss?”

(Laughter)

True story.

(Laughter)

But we’ve been remarkably successful –

over 2,500 athletes have signed up.

They get a brain-donation card
they keep in their wallet.

This is mine, I was
obviously first, it says 01.

And I will donate my brain to this.

We’ve also been lucky
to have people like Brandi Chastain,

the women’s soccer icon,

NASCAR’s Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Just two weeks ago,
Hall-of-Famer Nick Buoniconti

who had been diagnosed with dementia,
signed up to pledge his brain.

So it’s been wonderful,
and the great thing about it

is that it has worked
in changing how we’re able to get brains.

So now, instead of me having to call,
more families call us.

And our phones ring off the hook.

And so I can now focus
on taking this information,

figuring out how do we work
towards a cure,

how do we work towards prevention,

and so my life has gotten a lot easier.

This is just some of the headlines
that we’ve able to get over the years

from athletes pledging their brain.

The problem has been what we learned.

So when we started this,

only 45 cases existed
in the world of this disease

that had been studied in brain banks.

Since then, we have acquired 500 brains

and found over 300 of them had CTE.

To put that in perspective,

the rest of the world has not studied
100 brains since we started this.

What we’ve seen though
is very frightening.

So some of you might have seen
the headline in July

in the “New York Times.”

And a recent study we published,

that of the first 111
NFL players we looked at

110 were positive for this disease.

Of the first 53 college
football players we looked at,

48 had this disease.

That’s something
that’s a very big concern to me.

And so now, I’m very much focused

on what can we do
to actually treat this disease?

We still can’t diagnose
CTE in living people,

we have no treatments
that are going to be coming

out of the pharmaceutical industry
in the next five years.

This is a long, long fight.

But our Concussion Legacy Foundation
is here to not only facilitate this work,

and that’s the long game,

but the short game is,
hey, we can prevent this.

We can prevent this disease

if we just stopped hitting people
in the head so much.

And frankly, we need to stop
hitting children in the head.

Turns out, it’s not a great idea
to hit a five-year-old in the head

500 times each year.

And it does actually
open up the door to this disease.

And so, we’ve got
a lot of work ahead of us.

But I have great hope that we’re
on our way to curing this disease.

But I hope you understand
my story a little more now.

And now that we’ve gotten
to know each other a little bit better,

this is the time where I ask you,

“Can I have your brain?”

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

Thank you.

(Applause)

我是 Chris Nowinski,
如果你在过去五年里见过

我,几分钟后我问你
一个奇怪的问题:

我可以拥有你的大脑吗?

现在,如果您不知道我的故事,这似乎只是一个奇怪的问题

所以请让我与您分享。

我在芝加哥以外的地方长大
,我是一名运动员

,我很幸运被
哈佛大学招募来踢足球。

所以这就是我。

然后毕业后,
像大多数哈佛毕业生一样,

我决定加入 WWE。

所以这也是我。

(笑声)

你肯定记得我
在 2002 年和 2003 年的周一晚上生

,我

玩人们
亲切地喜欢称之为

常春藤联盟势利小人的克里斯哈佛,我玩得很开心。

(笑声)

这对我来说是完美的。

但不幸的是,


被同事布巴·雷·达德利(Bubba Ray Dudley)踢了一脚

,我遭受了严重的脑震荡。

它导致了
永久性的脑震荡后症状:

持续的头痛、无法入睡、
抑郁、迷茫。

在第一年,

我试图弄清楚
如何才能让这种痛苦消失。

而且我没有
从医生那里得到我需要的答案

,所以我开始深入
研究医学文献。

我发现有
关于脑震荡的整个故事

,我们并没有真正被告知。

所以我决定写一本关于它的书,

名为“头部游戏:
足球的脑震荡危机”

,于 2006 年出版。

但在这个过程中,我了解到
这不仅仅是脑震荡。

我了解到一种叫做
慢性创伤性脑病或 CTE 的疾病。

我们以前称之为打酒醉,
因为我们只从拳击手那里知道。

我们知道,
与拳击手多次击中头部

会导致他们的大脑基本上
开始腐烂,退化。

他们会

出现记忆
问题和认知问题、

抑郁、冲动
控制问题、攻击性等症状。

所以基本上,我得到了……

我在正确的时间受伤

,其中前两名 NFL 球员
接受了这种疾病的研究。

事实证明,他们都拥有它。

第一个是迈克韦伯斯特,
50 岁,已经患有痴呆症。

第二个,特里朗,
45岁,他自杀了。

匹兹堡的法医
决定检查他们的大脑

并发现了这种疾病。

我写了一章关于它

,我认为人们会从中
受益匪浅。

但令人震惊的是,
即使前两个病例呈阳性,

也从来没有
关于这方面的全国性新闻报道,这些 CTE 病例

在足球界发生了什么

所以这本书出版了,并

没有发生很多事情,

有一天我读到了报纸——
2006 年 11 月 20 日。

我发现安德烈·沃特斯
刚刚结束了他的生命。

你们这些了解足球的人,

安德烈沃特斯是
我从小就看的人。

前费城老鹰队强大的安全,

[44] 岁,
一名二级足球教练,

当时他决定用枪指着自己的头。

在他们提醒我的文章中,
他的昵称是脏水。

他以用他的头领导而闻名,

所以我想我只是要抬头看看

他有没有
谈论过他的脑震荡。

我找到了 1994 年
安德烈·沃特斯 (Andre Waters) 说的一句话:

“我在 15 岁时停止计算脑震荡。

我什么也不说,我只是闻
闻盐味然后回到那里。”

我想,我想
知道他是否也有 CTE。

如果这可能
导致他选择结束自己的生命。

所以我最后打电话给
做了前两项研究的医生,我说,

“嘿,我认为你应该
研究安德烈沃特斯。”

他说,“我很乐意

。问题是,前两个病例
在我工作的县死亡

,我可以将它们作为我工作的一部分进行研究。

我不能和安德烈沃特斯一起做,
“他死在佛罗里达。

如果你想让我研究他,
你必须想

办法让我得到大脑。”

所以我说,“好吧。

怎么会有大脑?”

(笑声)

所以我绞尽脑汁

想,我为什么不打电话

给我认为现在有大脑的法医?

所以我打电话给
佛罗里达的法医,我说,

“嘿,你不认识我,但你
还有安德烈沃特斯的大脑吗?”

(笑声

) 他说:“是的,我愿意。”

我说,“好吧,你要
研究他的 CTE 吗?”

他说不,事实上当时
他不相信那是一种真正的疾病。

我说,“好吧,如果你没有,
你介意我有吗?”

他说:“好吧,年轻人,

我不能给你大脑。

你需要他家人的许可。

但如果你得到
他近亲的许可,

我会把大脑交给你。”

我说:“太好了!”

然后我意识到我必须弄清楚
他的近亲是谁,然后问他们

,结果是
安德烈沃特斯 88 岁的母亲。

我坐在那里,
深吸一口气,心想:

“我真的要打电话给
一位刚刚失去儿子自杀的 88 岁悲伤的母亲

吗?”

几乎我的一切都在
说,“不要这样做。


这个可怜的女人经历太多了,

她已经经历了这么多。”

但随后我脑海中的另一个声音说:

“你知道吗?

如果人们
因这种疾病

而自杀,我们可以研究它
以防止将来发生这种情况,

有时你只需要接受它
并做 非常困难的事情。”

所以我打电话给她。

第一次,没人回答。

第二次,没有人接听,
第三次……没有语音邮件。

第五次,我得到了答案。

感谢上帝,安德烈沃特斯的
家人对这个电话如此仁慈,并说:

“你知道吗,我们想知道
安德烈发生了什么事。

我们想知道为什么
他在生命的最后五年里发生了如此大的变化。”

所以我们研究了大脑

,结果发现他确实患有 CTE。

他成为第三位
被诊断出患有这种疾病的 NFL 球员。

这就是它的样子。

他介于轻度和重度之间。

好的,我们
这里有三名 NFL 球员中的三名。

也许这需要
变得更严肃一些。

也许这里发生了什么事。

所以我最终成立
了 Concussion Legacy Foundation,

实际上将这项工作正式化,

所以这不仅仅是
一些需要大脑的人。

我搜索了这个世界。

我组建
了我能找到的最好的研究团队。

所以我们与波士顿大学

合作,我们与
波士顿弗吉尼亚州的科学家合作

,我们建立了一个脑库。

事实证明,如果你想知道
如何治愈退行性脑病,

你必须
从实际研究大脑开始。

在这一点上,我们是
世界上第一个专注于 CTE 的中心。

它只是没有被正式研究过。

所以我们开始了这个脑库
,我的工作就是

为安麦基博士
和她的脑库获取大脑,就在中间。

我们还与 Bob Stern
博士、Robert Cantu 博士

合作
,他们是我真正支持的梦想科学家团队。

因此,我的工作是获取大脑。 早年

我非常
成功。

自 2007 年以来,我每天都
从阅读讣告开始。

这是一种艰难的生活方式。

这对我来说很难,

对这些贫困家庭来说更糟糕的是
,我

在过去 10 年里一直在呼吁
,要求他们的大脑。

在这个过程的早期,
当它开始真正侵蚀我时,

我决定,你知道吗,
我能找到另一种

方法让人们将
他们的大脑捐献给这项研究吗?

我想
,如果我们能

在这个国家创造一种脑捐献文化呢?

如果
运动员死后捐献大脑成为常态怎么办?

所以我开始的
是一个大脑捐赠登记处。

我开始询问运动员

是否会公开承诺
将他们的大脑捐献给科学。

实际上,它
始于 2009 年的曲棍球运动员。

我的第一个承诺
是前哈佛曲棍球运动员

诺亚韦尔奇,当时他
在 NHL。

人们理解这是一个缓慢的开始

所以当新闻登上头版时,

“诺亚韦尔奇承诺
他的大脑致力于科学,”

他说他
第二天去了更衣室

,他的一个队友
把他拉到一边说,

“嘿,我听说你在捐款
你的大脑去科学。”

他说:“是的。”

他说:“哇。
你会错过多少场比赛?”

(笑声)

真实的故事。

(笑声)

但是我们已经非常成功了——

超过 2,500 名运动员已经报名参加。

他们得到了一张放在钱包里的大脑捐赠卡

这是我的,我
显然是第一个,上面写着 01。

我会为此献出我的大脑。

我们也很
幸运有像 Brandi Chastain

、女子足球偶像、

NASCAR 的 Dale Earnhardt Jr 这样的人。

就在两周前,

被诊断出患有痴呆症的名人堂成员 Nick Buoniconti
签约承诺他的大脑。

所以这太棒了,它
的伟大之处在于它

改变了我们获得大脑的方式。

所以现在,不是我必须打电话,而是
更多的家庭给我们打电话。

我们的电话响了。

所以我现在可以专注
于获取这些信息,

弄清楚我们如何
努力治愈,

我们如何努力预防

,所以我的生活变得轻松多了。


只是我们多年来

从运动员承诺的大脑中获得的一些头条新闻。

问题是我们学到了什么。

因此,当我们开始这项工作时,世界上

仅存在 45 例

在脑库中研究过的这种疾病。

从那时起,我们已经获得了 500 个大脑

,发现其中超过 300 个有 CTE。

从这个角度来看,自从我们开始

研究以来,世界其他地方还没有研究过
100 个大脑。

然而,我们所看到的
是非常可怕的。

所以你们中的一些人可能已经在《纽约时报》上看到
了 7 月份的头条新闻

我们最近发表的一项研究

表明,在我们观察的前 111 名
NFL 球员中,有

110 人对这种疾病呈阳性反应。

在我们研究的前 53 名大学
橄榄球运动员中,有

48 人患有这种疾病。

这是我非常关心的事情。

所以现在,我非常

关注我们能做些什么
来真正治疗这种疾病?

我们仍然无法诊断
活人的 CTE,

我们没有
在未来五年内

出现在制药行业的治疗方法

这是一场漫长而漫长的斗争。

但是我们的脑震荡遗产基金会
在这里不仅是为了促进这项工作

,这是长期的游戏,

但短期游戏是,
嘿,我们可以防止这种情况。

如果我们停止对人
的头部进行如此多的打击,我们就可以预防这种疾病。

坦率地说,我们需要停止
打孩子的头部。

事实证明,
每年击打 5 岁儿童的头部

500 次并不是一个好主意。

它确实
为这种疾病打开了大门。

因此,我们
有很多工作要做。

但我非常希望
我们正在治愈这种疾病。

但我希望你
现在能更了解我的故事。

现在我们对
彼此有了一点了解,

现在是我问你的时候了,

“我可以拥有你的大脑吗?”

非常感谢你。

(掌声)

谢谢。

(掌声)