Experiments that point to a new understanding of cancer Mina Bissell

now I don’t usually like cartoons I

don’t think many of them are funny I

think find them weird but I love this

cartoon from The New Yorker so the guy

is telling the cat don’t you dare think

outside the box well I’m afraid I used

to be the cat I always wanted to be

outside the box and his portly because I

came to this field from a different

background chemist and a bacterial

geneticist so what people were saying to

me about the cause of cancer sources of

cancer all for that matter why you are

who you are didn’t make sense so let me

quickly try and tell you why I taught

that and how I went about it so to begin

with however I have to give you a very

very quick lesson in developmental

biology with apologies to those of you

who know some biology so when your mum

and dad met there is a fertilized egg

that round thing with that little blip

it grows and then it grows and then it

makes this handsome man so this guy with

all the cells in his body all have the

same genetic information so how did his

nose become his nose his elbow his elbow

and why doesn’t he get up one morning

and have his nose turn into his foot it

could it has the genetic information you

all remember dolly it came from a single

memory south so why doesn’t it do it so

have a guess of how many cells he has in

his body somewhere between 10 trillion

to 70 trillion cells in his body

trillion now how did these cells all be

the same genetic match

y’all made all those tissues and so the

question I raised before becomes even

more interesting if you taught about the

enormity of this in every one of your

bodies now the dominant cancer theory

would say that there is a single

oncogene in a single cancer cell and it

would make you a cancer victim well this

did not make sense to me do you even

know how a trillion looks now let’s look

at it there it comes these zeros after

zeros after zeros now if point 0 0 0 1

of this South got mutated and point 0 0

0 0 1 got canceled you’ll be a lump of

cancer you’ll have cancer all over you

and you’re not why not so I decided over

the years because of a series of

experiment that this is because of

context and architecture and let me

quickly tell you some crucial experiment

I was able to actually show this to

begin with I came to work with this

virus that causes that ugly tumor in the

chicken rouse discovered this in 1911 it

was the first cancer virus discovered

and when i call it oncogene meaning

cancer gene so he made a filtrate he

took this filter which was liquid after

he passed the tumor through a filter and

he injected it to another chicken and he

got another tumor so scientists were

very excited and they said the single

oncogene can do it all you need is a

single oncogene so they’d put the cells

in culture chicken cells dump the virus

on it and it would pile up and they

would say this is malignant and this is

normal and again this didn’t make sense

to me so for various reasons we took

this oncogene attached it to a blue

marker and the injected it into the

embryos now look at that there is that

Butte

tiful feather in the embryo every one of

those blue cells are a cancer gene

inside a cancer cell and they’re part of

the feather so when we dissociated the

feather and put it in a dish we got

massive blue cells so in the chicken you

get a tumor in the embryo you don’t you

dissociate you put it in a dish you get

another tumor what does that mean that

means that micro environment and the

context which surround ourselves

actually are telling the cancer gene and

the cancer cell what to do now let’s

take a normal example the normal example

let’s take the human mammary gland I

work on breast cancer so here is a

lovely human breast and many of you know

how it looks except that inside that

breast there are all these pretty

developing tree-like structures so we

decided that what we like to do is to

take just a bit of that mammary gland

which is called an asanas were there are

all these little things inside the

breast where the milk goes and the end

of the nipple comes through that little

tube when the baby sucks and we said

wonderful look at this pretty structure

we want to make this is structure and

ask the question how do the cells do

that so we took the red cells you see

the red cells are surrounded by blue

other cells that the squeeze them and

behind it is material that people

thought was mainly inert and it was just

having a structure to keep the shape and

so we first photographed it with the

electron microscope years and years ago

and you see the cell is actually quite

pretty it has a bottom it has a top it

is secreting gobs and gobs of milk

because he just came from an early

pregnant mouse you take these cells you

put them in a dish and within three days

is they look like that they completely

forget so you take them out you put them

in a dish they don’t make note they

completely forget for example here is a

lovely yellow droplet of milk on the

left there is nothing on the right look

at the nuclei the nuclei on the cell on

the left is in the animal the one on the

right is on a dish they are completely

different from each other so what does

this tell you this tells you that here

also context all the rights in different

contexts cells do different things but

harders contacts signal so Winston said

that for an idea that does not first

seem insane there is no hope so you can

imagine the amount of skepticism I

received couldn’t get money couldn’t do

a whole lot of other thing but I’m so

glad it all worked out so we made a

section of the mammary gland of the

mouse and all those lovely ass annoys

are there every one of those with the

red around them or an asst honest and we

said okay we are going to try and make

this and I said maybe that Redis stuff

around the asanas that people think

there is just a structural scaffold

maybe it has information maybe it tells

the cells what to do maybe it tells the

nucleus what to do so I said

extracellular matrix which is this stuff

called ECM signals and actually tells

the southward to do so we decided to

make things that would look like that we

found some gooey material that had the

right extracellular matrix in it we put

the cells in it and lo and behold in

about four days they got reorganized and

on the right is what we can make in

culture on the left is what’s inside the

animal we call it in vivo and the one in

culture was full of milk the lovely red

there is full of milk so we got milk for

the American audience all right

and here is this beautiful human cell

and you can imagine that here also the

context goes so what do we do now I made

a radical hypothesis I said if it’s true

that architecture is dominant

architecture restore to a cancer cell

should make the cancer cell think is

normal could this be done so we tried it

in order to do that however we needed to

have a method of distinguishing normal

from malignant and on the left is the

single normal cell human breast put in

three-dimensional gooey gel that has

extracellular matrix it makes all these

beautiful structure on the right you see

it looks very ugly the cells continue to

grow the normal ones stop and you see

here in higher magnification the normal

asanas and the ugly tumor so we said

what is on the surface of these oddly

tumors could we calmed them down they

were signaling like crazy and they have

pathways all messed up and make them to

the level of the normal well it was

wonderful boggles my mind this is what

we got we can revert the malignant

phenotype

and in order to show you that the

malignant phenotype I didn’t just choose

one here are little movies sort of fuzzy

but you see that on the left or the

malignant cells all of them are

malignant we add one single inhibitor at

the beginning and look what happens they

all look like that we inject them into

the mouse the ones on the right and none

of them would make tumors we inject the

other ones in the mouse hundred percent

tumors so the new way of thinking about

cancer is a hopeful way of thinking

about cancer we should be able to be

dealing with these things at this level

and these conclusions say that growth

and malignant behavior is regulated at

the level of tisch organization and that

the teacher organization is dependent on

the extracellular matrix and the micro

environment all right thus form and

function interact dynamically and

reciprocally and here is another

five-second of repose is why mantra form

and function and of course we now ask

where do we go now we like to take these

kind of thinking into the clinic but

before we do that I like you to think

that at any given time when you are

sitting there in your 70 trillion cells

the extracellular matrix signaling to

your nucleus the nucleus is signaling to

your extracellular matrix and that is

how your balance is kept and restored we

have made a lot of discoveries we have

shown that extracellular matrix talks to

chromatin we have shown that there are

little pieces of DNA on the specific

genes of the mammary gland that actually

respond to extracellular matrix it has

taken many years but it has been very

rewarding and before I get to their

necks aside I have to tell you that

there are so many additional discoveries

to be me

there is so much mystery we don’t know

and I always say to the student and

postdocs I lecture too don’t be arrogant

because arrogance kills curiosity

curiosity and passion you need to always

think what else is need to be discovered

and maybe my discovery needs to be added

to or maybe it needs to be changed so we

have now made an amazing discovery a

postdoc in the lab who is a physicist

asked me what did the cells do when you

put them in why did it what do they do

in the beginning when they they do i

said i don’t know we couldn’t look at

them we didn’t have high images in the

old days so she being an imager and

physicist did this incredible thing this

is a single human breath up in a tree

dimension look at it it’s constantly

doing this has a coherent movement you

put the cancer cells there and they do

go all over they do this they don’t do

this and when we revert the cancer cell

it again does this absolutely boggles my

mind so the cell acts like an embryo

what an exciting thing so I like to

finish with the poem but I used to love

English literature and I debated in

college which one should i do and

unfortunately or fortunately chemistry

one but here is a poem from yates i’ll

just read you the last two lines it’s

called among the schoolchildren or body

swayed to music or brightening glance

how do we tell the dancer from the dance

and here is Merce Cunningham I was

fortunate to dance with him when I was

younger and here he is a dancer and

while he’s dancing he’s both the dancer

and the dance the minute he stops we

have neither so is like form and

function now I like to show you a

current picture of my group I have been

fortunate to have had this magnificent

students and post doc who have taught me

so much and I have had many of these

scum angle they are the future and I try

to make them not be afraid of being the

cat and being told don’t think outside

the box and I’d like to leave you with

this thought on the left is water coming

through the shore taken from a NASA

satellite on the right there is a coral

now if you take the mammary gland and is

spread it and take the fat away on a

dish it looks like that do they look the

same do they have the same patterns why

is it that nature keeps doing that over

and over again and I’d like to submit to

you that we have sequence the human

genome we know everything about the

sequence of the gene the language of the

gene the alphabet of the gene but we

know nothing but nothing about the

language and alphabet of form so it’s a

wonderful new horizon it’s a wonderful

thing to discover for the young and the

passion as old and that’s me so go to it

现在我通常不喜欢卡通

我不认为其中很多有趣

‘恐怕我

曾经是一只猫,我一直想

在盒子外面和他的胖,因为我

从一个不同

背景的化学家和一个细菌

遗传学家来到这个领域,所以人们对

我所说的癌症来源

癌症的原因 无论如何,为什么你

是你自己没有意义所以让我

快速尝试告诉你我为什么教

这个以及我是如何做到的,所以

首先我必须给你一个非常

非常快速的发展课程

生物学 向

那些了解生物学的人道歉 所以当你

的爸爸妈妈见面时 有一个受精卵

那个圆形的东西 有那个小圆点

它会长大 然后长大 然后它

会变成这个英俊的男人 所以这个拥有

所有细胞的人 在他的身体里都有

相同的基因 c 信息 那么他的鼻子是如何

变成他的鼻子 他的肘部 他的

肘部 为什么他不有一天早上起床

鼻子变成他的脚

它可能有你们都记得的遗传信息

dolly 它来自一个单一的

记忆南方 那么为什么不这样做呢?

猜猜他体内有多少细胞

10 万亿

到 70 万亿个细胞

万亿现在这些细胞是如何

遗传匹配的

你们都制造了所有这些 所以

我之前提出的问题会变得

更加有趣,如果你在你

的每一个身体中教导这种严重性

现在占主导地位的癌症理论

会说

单个癌细胞中有一个致癌基因,它

会让你成为一个 癌症受害者 好吧,这

对我来说没有意义 你甚至

知道一万亿现在是什么样子 让我们

看看它在那里 如果这个南方的

0 0 0

1 点发生突变并且点 0 0

0 0 1 被取消了,你会 我是一块

癌症,你全身都会有癌症,

而你不是为什么不这样所以多年来我决定,

因为一系列

实验,这是因为

环境和建筑,让我

快速告诉你一些重要的实验

实际上,我能够

从一开始就证明这一点 我开始研究这种

病毒,这种病毒会导致鸡鸡身上长出丑陋的肿瘤,

在 1911 年发现了它,这

是第一个发现的癌症病毒

,当我称它为癌基因时,意思是

癌症基因,所以他做了一个 滤液 他

拿了这个过滤器,在

他将肿瘤通过过滤器后是液体,然后

将其注射到另一只鸡身上,结果又

得了另一个肿瘤,所以科学家们

非常兴奋,他们说单个

癌基因可以做到你所需要的只是

一个癌基因,所以 他们会把

细胞培养起来 鸡细胞会把病毒倒

在上面,然后病毒会堆积起来,他们

会说这是恶性的,这是

正常的,这

对我来说又没有意义,所以出于各种原因,我们采取

了 是癌基因将它附着在蓝色

标记上,然后将其注射到

胚胎中,现在看看胚胎中有

Butte

tiful羽毛,每

一个蓝色细胞都是癌细胞

内的癌基因,它们

是羽毛的一部分 因此,当我们将

羽毛分离并将其放入盘中时,我们会得到

大量的蓝色细胞,因此在鸡中,

您的胚胎中会出现肿瘤

我们周围的微环境和背景

实际上是在告诉癌症基因

和癌细胞现在该做什么让我们

举一个正常的例子正常的例子

让我们举一个人类乳腺我

研究乳腺癌所以这里有一个

可爱的人类乳房和 你们很多人都

知道它的样子,除了在那个

乳房里面有所有这些漂亮的

树状结构,所以我们

决定我们喜欢做的是只

取一点那个

叫做 a 的乳腺 sanas 乳房里面有

所有这些小东西

,当婴儿吸吮时,乳头的末端会从那个小

管子里出来

细胞是如何做到这一点的

,所以我们拿了红细胞,你

看到红细胞被蓝色包围

其他细胞挤压它们,

在它后面是人们

认为主要是惰性的材料,它只是

有一个结构来保持形状和

所以我们多年前第一次用电子显微镜拍摄它

你会看到这个细胞实际上非常

漂亮 它有一个底部 它有一个顶部 它

正在分泌大量的牛奶

因为他刚刚来自一只早期

怀孕的老鼠 你拿着这些 细胞你

把它们放在一个盘子里,三天之

内它们看起来像他们完全

忘记了所以你把它们拿出来你把它们

放在盘子里他们不做笔记他们

完全忘记了例如这里是 左边

一滴可爱的黄色牛奶

右边什么都没有

这告诉你这告诉你这里

也上下文不同上下文中的所有权利

细胞做不同的事情但

更难接触信号所以温斯顿

说对于一个最初看起来不疯狂的想法

没有希望所以你

可以想象我的怀疑程度

收不到钱 不能

做很多其他的事情,但我很

高兴这一切都解决了,所以我们做了一个老鼠

乳腺的部分

,所有那些可爱的屁股烦恼

都在那里

他们周围有红色或诚实的助手,我们

说好吧,我们会尝试做

这个,我说也许

Redis 围绕着人们认为

只有一个结构支架的东西,

也许它有信息,也许它

告诉 cel 做什么也许它告诉

细胞核做什么所以我说

细胞外基质,这是一种

叫做 ECM 信号的东西,实际上

告诉南方去做所以我们决定

做一些看起来像我们

发现一些粘稠的材料的东西

右边的细胞外基质在里面 我们

把细胞放进去,你瞧,

大约四天后,它们被重组

文化中充满了牛奶 可爱的

红色充满了牛奶 所以我们

为美国观众准备

了牛奶 这是这个美丽的人类

细胞 你可以想象这里的

背景也是如此 我们现在该怎么办 我做

了一个激进的 假设我说如果

建筑是主导的建筑是真的,

恢复到癌细胞

应该让癌细胞认为是

正常的,这是否可以做到,所以我们尝试了

它来做到这一点,但是我们需要

有一种分离的方法 将正常

与恶性分开,左边是

单个正常细胞人类乳房,放入

具有细胞外基质的三维粘性凝胶中

它使所有这些

美丽的结构在右边你看到

它看起来非常丑陋 细胞继续

生长 正常细胞停止 你

在这里以更高的放大倍率看到正常的

体式和丑陋的肿瘤所以我们说

这些奇怪的肿瘤表面上有

什么我们可以让它们平静下来

它们像疯了一样发出信号并且它们的

通路都搞砸了并使它们

达到 正常的井

太棒了 让我难以置信 这就是

我们得到的结果 我们可以恢复恶性

型 为了向您展示

恶性表型我不仅在这里选择了

一个有点模糊的小电影

但是您在 左边或

恶性细胞 它们都是

恶性的 我们在开始时添加一个单一的抑制剂

看看会发生什么

它们看起来像 我们将它们注射

到小鼠体内 是的

,它们都不会产生肿瘤 我们将其他肿瘤注射到

小鼠体内百分百

肿瘤 所以新的癌症思维方式

是一种有希望的癌症思维方式

我们应该能够

在这个层面上处理这些事情

,这些 结论说,生长

和恶性行为在

tisch组织的层面上受到调节

,教师组织依赖

于细胞外基质和微

环境,因此形式和

功能是动态和

相互作用的,这里还有

五秒钟的休息时间是 为什么咒语的形式

和功能,当然我们现在问

我们要去哪里现在我们喜欢把

这种想法带入诊所,但

在我们这样做之前,我希望你

在任何给定时间思考,当

你 70 岁时坐在那儿 万亿个细胞

细胞外基质

向细胞核发出信号 细胞核

向细胞外基质发出信号,这

就是保持和恢复平衡的方式 我们

已经取得了很多发现 我们已经

证明了细胞外基质与

染色质对话 我们已经证明了乳腺

特定基因上的少量 DNA 片段

实际上

对细胞外基质做出了反应

奖励,在我把他们的

脖子放在一边之前,我必须告诉你,

还有很多额外的发现,有很多我们不知道的谜团

,我总是对学生和

博士后说我也不要 傲慢,

因为傲慢扼杀了好奇心

好奇心和激情 你需要始终

思考还有什么需要发现的

,也许我的发现需要补充

,或者可能需要改变,所以

我们现在有了一个惊人的发现

,实验室的博士后 是一位物理学家

问我当你

把它们放进去时细胞做了什么为什么它们

一开始它们做了什么我

说我不知道我们不能看

它们我们没有高图像 在

过去,所以她作为一名成像师和

物理学家做了这件不可思议的事情,这

是人类在树维度上的一次呼吸

这样做他们不这样做

,当我们恢复癌细胞时,

它再次这样做,这绝对让我难以置信,

所以细胞就像

胚胎一样令人兴奋,所以我喜欢

用这首诗来结束,但我曾经喜欢

英国文学和 我在

大学里争论过我应该做哪一个,

不幸或幸运的是化学

一个,但这是耶茨的一首诗,我

只想给你读最后两行它

在学童中被称为或身体随着

音乐或明亮的一瞥而摇摆

我们如何告诉 舞蹈中的舞者

,这里是 Merce Cunningham 我很

幸运在我

年轻的时候和他一起跳舞,他是一名舞者,

当他跳舞时,他既是舞者

,又是舞者,当他停下来的那一刻,我们

都没有 r 就像形式和

功能一样,现在我想向您展示

我小组的最新照片 我很

幸运有这么

优秀的学生和博士后,他们教了

我很多东西,我有很多这样的

渣滓,他们是 未来,我

试图让他们不害怕成为

猫,并被告知不要跳出

框框思考,我想给你留下

这个想法,左边是

从美国宇航局卫星上从海岸流过的水

右边现在有一个珊瑚

如果你把乳腺

展开然后把脂肪放在

盘子上去掉它们看起来一样它们看起来

一样吗它们有相同的图案

为什么大自然会一直这样

做 再说一遍,我想向

你提交,我们已经对人类

基因组进行了

测序,我们对基因序列一无所知,基因的语言,

基因的字母表,但我们

语言和形式的字母表一无所知 所以这是一个

美妙的新地平线

对于年轻人和老年人的热情来说,这是一件很棒的事情

,那就是我,所以去吧