How to get everyone to care about a green economy Angela Francis

Transcriber:

I remember climbing to the top
of our airing cupboard at home –

I must’ve been six or seven –

I’m trying to flick my wrists
in the right way

to make the spider web shoot out.

I thought I had some super powers,

I just had to work out what they were.

It was a disappointing afternoon.

(Laughter)

In the end, it didn’t come with a suit,

but I found there aren’t many people
like me in the environment sector

and being a Black economist
who grew up in Derby

is my superpower in the fight
for the environment.

And we’re facing huge challenges,

but they are not insurmountable.

People have been working on climate change
and nature restoration for years

and they know what we need to do,

and they know the sooner we act,
the easier it will be.

And we’re not talking
about a few green sectors.

We’re talking about changing
the whole economy,

using investment and policy
to reward people and businesses

for the decisions they take
that lower carbon

and restore nature rather than degrade it.

The problem is politicians aren’t acting
at the speed or scale we need them to

because they think the public
want them to do something else first.

Brexit, building more houses,

the economy, Brexit,

health sector, Brexit.

(Laughter)

How do we put the environment
at the top of that list?

My answer is … we don’t.

We look at this the other
way around instead.

We show how moving to a green economy

delivers on the things
that people are already worried about.

It improves their lives,

whether they care
about the environment or not.

We’re at the point we need to have
a very different conversation with people

because we need to make the case
to rapidly move to a green economy,

at a time people are facing
real economic challenges,

and we can’t ask them
to put that to one side.

And we need to make the case
to rapidly move to a green economy

at a time of rising populism,

which says leaving the EU

or stopping immigration
will solve all our problems.

It won’t,

but we have to give people
real solutions instead.

So what does my perspective tell us?

I grew up in Derby,

an industrial city
right in the middle of the country

at the foot of the peak district,

some of the most beautiful
countryside in the UK.

And I started my career
in regional economics,

and I know the UK has got
the biggest differences

in regional economic performance

of any economy in the advanced world.

Wealth is concentrated in London

and we spend our time –
concerning the economy,

that’s the only region that matters.

And that really frustrates people,

and it’s really bad economics.

For too long, we’ve ignored
agriculture and manufacturing,

two of the most important
sectors for the environment,

that need to pioneer new ways
of producing goods and food sustainably.

Being an economist,

I know that UK productivity has stalled

and the average weekly wage
has not recovered

since the financial crisis.

That’s a decade of lower pay.

And that really hurts.

We need to invest in our economy,

so businesses are competing,
not on the basis of low wages,

but on high-design, engineering,
smart use of resources,

all the things we need
to succeed in a green economy.

And being mixed race,

I know the dangers of populism.

I feel them personally.

I see people being divided

and told that some group or other
is to blame for all their problems.

And I know that’s not going
to improve anybody’s lives,

but the environment sector
isn’t reaching those people

and we have to fix that.

You might be asking,

why do we need to change
the conversation now,

when interest in the environment
has never been higher?

Aren’t we already winning?

Yes, in some ways we are.

But we have all the people

who are motivated
by the plight of the polar bear

and the loss of the rain forest.

We have all the people
who can change their whole life around

and make every decision

based on how they lower
their carbon footprint.

You might be one of those people,

that is amazing, you are a trailblazer.

But that is not a route
that everyone can follow.

And it is not enough to rely
on what individuals can do by themselves.

Now, we also need the backing

of people who’ve got
other things on their mind:

bills to pay,

a busy and polluted route
to school for the kids,

crap job, no prospects,

living in a town where more businesses
are closing than opening.

They need to know the green economy
is going to work for them.

They do not need another
thing to worry about.

They do not need
to be made to feel guilty.

And they do not need to be asked
to sacrifice something they don’t have.

It’s like the gilets jaunes protesters
were saying in France

about fuel prices and the cost of living:

“You want us to worry
about the end of the world

when we’re worried
about the end of the week.”

If we’re not listening to those people,

you can be sure that the populists are.

In my experience,

if you want to achieve change
and persuade people,

you have to talk to them
about things that they care about,

not the things you care about.

And if you ask people,

what are the biggest
issues facing the country?

They say Brexit, that’s said
by most people by far,

and then they say health,

and then the environment comes
level pegging with crime and the economy.

Rather than constantly trying to put
environment at the top of the list,

we need to show how delivering
a green economy

will improve our health and our well-being
and our quality of life,

how it will deliver better jobs,
a better economy,

more opportunities.

I’d even go as far as to say

how it deals with the underlying
consequences of Brexit.

How does environmental policy do all that?

We keep being told that it’s going to cost
too much to save the planet.

That’s not true.

The best source on this

is the global commission
for climate and the economy.

That’s economists,

former heads of states
and finance ministers.

And they looked at all the costs
and benefits of acting

compared to not acting.

And they worked out
the investments we need

to keep the planet within one and a half
degrees temperature rise

actually improve the economy.

And that was true globally,

and it’s true for the global South
that really suffer if we don’t act.

And those calculations
were based on the most prudent estimates

of the cost and benefits,

not counting all the innovation benefits

and the cost savings
we’re likely to realize on the way.

And it’s the same story in the UK.

The investments we need to make
to move to a net zero economy

will pay for themselves in jobs,
opportunities, health and well-being.

And that’s just the climate action.

It’s increasingly clear

we need to deal with climate
and nature risk together.

Species loss, habitat loss, climate change

are all driven by the same broken patterns
of consumption and production.

If we get this right,

dealing with climate change
will help us preserve nature,

and investing in nature will help us
mitigate and adapt to climate change.

The natural capital committee in the UK
calculated that every one pound we spend

on our forests, our wetlands,
our biodiversity,

gives us four to nine pounds back
in social and economic benefits.

And I’ve said all that, and it’s true,

but it means nothing to most people.

I get a bit closer.

If I start talking about the investments
we have to make in our houses,

our businesses, transport infrastructure,

in our countryside,

because those investments
have got direct benefits for people,

as well as the planet.

They mean less drafty houses,

a less stressful and congested
journey to work,

less flooding, cleaner air.

So is that going to convince
a gilets jaunes protester?

No.

It is not enough to say
there’s all this great stuff coming.

We have to show
how it’s going to reach people.

We can’t have schemes
for insulating your home

and installing a heat pump
and a solar panel,

which are only accessible to people
who own their own home.

In the UK,

renters have got 10 percent
less disposable income

than people with a mortgage.

And they’re the ones
who need government policy

to make sure their landlord
insulates their home.

We can’t just talk about 210,000 jobs
which have been created,

and low-carbon and renewable industries.

We also have to talk
about how so-called dirty industries,

construction and manufacturing,

how they will generate
better quality, highly skilled jobs

if they’re investing in water,
energy, material efficiency,

in products that last longer
and produce less waste.

We haven’t even done the basics yet.

We haven’t even stopped
supporting fossil fuels.

The UK has got the biggest
fossil fuel subsidies

of any country in the EU.

Most of those are tax breaks
to oil and gas companies,

which we should just stop.

But some of it is more complicated.

No politician is going to stop
winter fuel payments to an old person

who’s worried about paying
their heating bill,

unless they first put in place
a retrofitting scheme

so that person has a warm,
and comfortable home instead.

No politician is going to raise fuel levy

and we know that’s true
because it hasn’t risen since 2011.

No politician is going to do that

and really change the incentives
for owning a petrol and diesel car,

unless they first put in place
good quality, affordable public transport,

a scrappage scheme

so people can upgrade
to an electric vehicle,

and charging infrastructure,

especially in rural areas,

so people aren’t cut off
from the shops and work and college.

And until that happens,

the electric vehicle market
doesn’t take off

and we don’t get the benefits of cleaner,

less congested, more livable cities.

The environment sector
has to show it’s on the side of people

who need these solutions.

We have the technical side.

Now we need the social and economic
policies to make this work for people.

And this isn’t just
a moral preference for fairness.

This is also about effective policy.

Everywhere in the world
is facing these same challenges.

And businesses want
to invest in the solutions

in the places where government
is really thinking

about how to create
the conditions for change

and how to build
a widespread public support.

The people-side of this
is not somebody else’s job.

This is our job as environmentalist too.

The environment sector has to be
right in the middle of a conversation

about what kind of country we want to be

and how our policies
will really improve people’s lives.

The fairness of the green transition
is not a “nice to have.”

It is a thing that will make
the transition happen or not.

We will get stuck in protests
if we don’t make this work for people.

If you’re serious about moving
to the green economy, like I am,

you have to be serious

about getting the benefits
to the people who need them first.

There is no way of delivering
a change this big without doing that.

So my superpower might not be
to do whatever a spider can.

But I can talk about the policies
we need to green our economy

in a way a factory worker in Derby

and a farmer in Cumbria can get behind.

My superpower

is not trying to add to the list of things
that people care about,

but showing how the plan
for a green economy

is a plan to improve lives right now.

Thank you.

(Applause)

抄写员:

我记得爬到
家里的通风柜顶部——

我一定是六七岁了——

我正试图以正确的方式轻弹我的手腕

让蜘蛛网射出来。

我以为我有一些超能力,

我只需要弄清楚它们是什么。

这是一个令人失望的下午。

(笑声

) 最后没带西装,

但我发现
在环境领域像我这样的人并不多

,在德比长大的黑人经济学家

是我为环境而战的超能力
.

我们面临着巨大的挑战,

但它们并非无法克服。

多年来,人们一直致力于气候变化
和自然恢复

,他们知道我们需要做什么

,他们知道我们越早采取行动
,就越容易。

我们不是在
谈论一些绿色部门。

我们正在谈论
改变整个经济,

使用投资和政策
来奖励人们和

企业做出
的降低碳

和恢复自然而不是破坏自然的决定。

问题是政客们并没有按照
我们需要的速度或规模行事,

因为他们认为公众
希望他们先做其他事情。 英国

退欧,建造更多房屋

,经济,英国退欧,

卫生部门,英国退欧。

(笑声)

我们如何将环境
放在该列表的首位?

我的回答是……我们没有。

我们反过来看这个

我们展示了转向绿色经济如何解决

人们已经担心的问题。

它改善了他们的生活,

无论他们
是否关心环境。

我们正处于需要
与人们进行非常不同的对话的地步,

因为我们需要提出
理由迅速转向绿色经济,

而此时人们正面临着
真正的经济挑战

,我们不能要求
他们提出 一方面。

在民粹主义抬头之际,我们需要提出
理由迅速转向绿色经济

,民粹

主义认为离开欧盟

或停止移民
将解决我们所有的问题。

它不会,

但我们必须给人们
真正的解决方案。

那么我的观点告诉我们什么?

我在德比长大,德比

是英国中部的一个工业城市

,位于峰区脚下

,是英国最美丽的
乡村之一。

我的职业生涯
始于区域经济学

,我知道英国

在发达世界的任何经济体中的区域经济表现差异最大。

财富集中在伦敦

,我们把时间花在
了经济上,

这是唯一重要的地区。

这真的让人们感到沮丧

,这真的是糟糕的经济学。

长期以来,我们忽视了
农业和制造业这

两个对环境最重要的
部门,

它们需要开拓以
可持续方式生产商品和食品的新方法。

作为一名经济学家,

我知道自金融危机以来,英国的生产力已经停滞不前

,平均每周工资
还没有恢复

那是十年的低薪。

这真的很痛。

我们需要对我们的经济进行投资,

因此企业在竞争,
不是基于低工资,

而是基于高设计、工程、
智能利用资源,

这些都是我们
在绿色经济中取得成功所需的一切。

作为混血儿,

我知道民粹主义的危险。

我个人感觉他们。

我看到人们被分裂

并被告知某个团体或
其他团体应该为他们所有的问题负责。

我知道这
不会改善任何人的生活,

但环境部门
并没有接触到这些人

,我们必须解决这个问题。

您可能会问,

既然

对环境的兴趣
从未如此高涨,为什么我们现在需要改变对话?

我们不是已经赢了吗?

是的,在某些方面我们是。

但是我们有所有


北极熊的困境

和雨林的消失所激励的人。

我们所有的人
都可以改变他们的整个生活,

根据他们如何
降低碳足迹做出每一个决定。

你可能是那些人中的一员,

这太棒了,你是一个开拓者。

但这不是
每个人都可以遵循的路线。

仅仅
依靠个人可以做的事情是不够的。

现在,我们还需要

那些有
其他想法的人的支持:

要支付的账单,孩子们去学校

的繁忙和污染的路线

垃圾工作,没有前景,

生活在一个企业倒闭的城镇
比 开幕。

他们需要知道绿色
经济将为他们工作。

他们不需要
担心其他事情。

他们
不需要感到内疚。

他们不需要被
要求牺牲他们没有的东西。

就像法国的黄背心
抗议者在

谈论燃料价格和生活成本一样:

当我们
担心周末结束时,你希望我们担心世界末日。”

如果我们不听那些人的话,

你可以肯定民粹主义者是。

根据我的经验,

如果你想实现改变
并说服人们,

你必须和他们
谈论他们关心

的事情,而不是你关心的事情。

如果你问人们,

这个国家面临的最大问题是什么?

他们说英国退欧,
到目前为止大多数人

都这么说,然后他们说健康,

然后
环境与犯罪和经济挂钩。

与其不断试图将
环境放在首位,

我们需要展示
绿色经济

将如何改善我们的健康、福祉
和生活质量,

它将如何提供更好的就业机会
、更好的经济

等等 机会。

我什至会

说它如何处理英国
退欧的潜在后果。

环境政策是如何做到这一切的?

我们不断被告知,
拯救地球的成本太高了。

这不是真的。

这方面的最佳来源


全球气候和经济委员会。

那是经济学家、

前国家元首
和财政部长。

他们研究
了演戏

与不演戏相比的所有成本和收益。

他们制定了
我们需要的投资,

以使地球保持在 1.5
度的温度上升范围内,

实际上改善了经济。

这在全球范围内都是如此

,对于
如果我们不采取行动就会真正受苦的全球南方也是如此。

这些计算
是基于对成本和收益的最审慎估计

而不是计算所有创新收益


我们可能在此过程中实现的成本节约。

在英国也是如此。

为了实现净零经济,我们需要进行的投资

将在工作、
机会、健康和福祉方面为自己买单。

这只是气候行动。

越来越清楚的是,

我们需要共同应对气候
和自然风险。

物种丧失、栖息地丧失、气候变化

都是由同样破碎
的消费和生产模式驱动的。

如果我们做对了,

应对气候变化
将帮助我们保护自然

,投资自然将帮助我们
缓解和适应气候变化。

英国的自然资本委员会
计算出

,我们在森林、湿地和
生物多样性上每花费 1 磅,

就可以为我们带来 4 到 9 磅
的社会和经济效益。

我已经说了这么多,这是真的,

但对大多数人来说毫无意义。

我靠近一点。

如果我开始谈论
我们必须在我们的房屋、

我们的企业、交通基础设施

、我们的农村进行的

投资,因为这些投资
已经为人们以及地球带来了直接的利益

它们意味着更少通风的房屋

,更少的压力和拥挤
的工作旅程,

更少的洪水,更清洁的空气。

那么这会说服
一个黄背心抗议者吗?

不。仅仅
说这些伟大的东西即将到来是不够的。

我们必须
展示它将如何影响人们。

我们无法
为您的房屋提供隔热

和安装热泵
和太阳能电池板的计划,

这些计划只有
拥有自己房屋的人才能使用。

在英国,

租房者的
可支配收入

比有抵押贷款的人少 10%。

他们是
需要政府政策

来确保他们的房东为
他们的房屋绝缘的人。

我们不能只谈论
已经创造的 210,000 个工作岗位,

以及低碳和可再生产业。

我们还必须
谈论所谓的肮脏工业、

建筑和制造业,

如果他们投资于水、
能源、材料效率,

以及使用寿命更长
、产生更少废物的产品,它们将如何创造更高质量、更高技能的工作。

我们甚至还没有完成基础知识。

我们甚至还没有停止
支持化石燃料。

英国获得

了欧盟任何国家中最大的化石燃料补贴。

其中大部分是
对石油和天然气公司的税收减免

,我们应该停止。

但其中一些更复杂。

没有政客会停止
向担心支付取暖费的老人支付冬季燃料费

除非他们首先
实施改造计划,

让老人拥有一个温暖
、舒适的家。

没有政客会提高燃油税

,我们知道这是真的,
因为它自 2011 年以来就没有提高过。

没有政客会这样做

并真正改变
拥有汽油和柴油汽车的激励措施,

除非他们首先落实
好质量 ,负担得起的公共交通

,报废

计划,人们可以升级
到电动汽车,

以及充电基础设施,

特别是在农村地区,

因此人们不会被切断
与商店、工作和大学的联系。

在此之前

,电动汽车市场
不会起飞

,我们也无法享受到更清洁、

更不拥挤、更宜居的城市所带来的好处。

环境部门
必须表明它站在

需要这些解决方案的人们的一边。

我们有技术方面的。

现在我们需要社会和经济
政策来使这项工作为人们服务。

这不仅仅是
对公平的道德偏好。

这也关乎有效的政策。

世界各地
都面临着同样的挑战。

企业希望


政府真正

考虑如何
为变革创造条件

以及如何
建立广泛的公众支持的地方投资解决方案。

人员方面
不是别人的工作。

这也是我们作为环保主义者的工作。

环境部门必须参与

讨论我们希望成为什么样的国家

以及我们的政策
将如何真正改善人们的生活。

绿色转型的公平
性并不是“很高兴”。

这是一件
决定转变发生与否的事情。

如果我们不让这项工作为人们服务,我们将陷入抗议。

如果您
像我一样认真考虑转向绿色经济,

那么您必须认真

考虑首先让
需要它们的人受益。

如果不这样做,就无法实现
如此大的改变。

所以我的超能力可能不是
蜘蛛能做的事。

但我可以谈论
我们需要以某种方式实现绿色经济的政策

,德比的工厂工人

和坎布里亚的农民可以落后。

我的超级大国

不是试图增加人们关心的事情的清单

而是展示
绿色

经济计划如何成为改善现在生活的计划。

谢谢你。

(掌声)