Can you really tell if a kid is lying Kang Lee

Hi.

Let me ask the audience a question:

Did you ever lie as a child?

If you did, could you please
raise your hand?

Wow! This is the most honest
group of people I’ve ever met.

(Laughter)

So for the last 20 years,

I’ve been studying
how children learn to tell lies.

And today, I’m going to share with you

some of the discoveries we have made.

But to begin, I’m going to tell you
a story from Mr. Richard Messina,

who is my friend and an elementary
school principal.

He got a phone call one day.

The caller says,

“Mr. Messina, my son Johnny
will not come to school today

because he’s sick.”

Mr. Messina asks,

“Who am I speaking to, please?”

And the caller says,

“I am my father.”

(Laughter)

So this story –

(Laughter)

sums up very nicely
three common beliefs we have

about children and lying.

One, children only come to tell lies

after entering elementary school.

Two, children are poor liars.

We adults can easily detect their lies.

And three, if children lie
at a very young age,

there must be some
character flaws with them,

and they are going to become
pathological liars for life.

Well, it turns out

all of the three beliefs are wrong.

We have been playing guessing games

with children all over the world.

Here is an example.

So in this game, we asked children
to guess the numbers on the cards.

And we tell them if they win the game,

they are going to get a big prize.

But in the middle of the game,

we make an excuse and leave the room.

And before we leave the room,

we tell them not to peek at the cards.

Of course,

we have hidden cameras in the room

to watch their every move.

Because the desire
to win the game is so strong,

more than 90 percent of children will peek

as soon as we leave the room.

(Laughter)

The crucial question is:

When we return and ask the children

whether or not they have peeked,

will the children who peeked confess

or lie about their transgression?

We found that regardless
of gender, country, religion,

at two years of age,

30 percent lie,

70 percent tell the truth
about their transgression.

At three years of age,

50 percent lie and 50 percent
tell the truth.

At four years of age,

more than 80 percent lie.

And after four years of age,

most children lie.

So as you can see,

lying is really a typical part
of development.

And some children begin to tell lies

as young as two years of age.

So now, let’s take a closer look
at the younger children.

Why do some but not all
young children lie?

In cooking, you need good ingredients

to cook good food.

And good lying requires
two key ingredients.

The first key ingredient
is theory of mind,

or the mind-reading ability.

Mind reading is the ability to know

that different people have
different knowledge about the situation

and the ability to differentiate
between what I know

and what you know.

Mind reading is important for lying

because the basis of lying is that I know

you don’t know

what I know.

Therefore, I can lie to you.

The second key ingredient
for good lying is self-control.

It is the ability to control your speech,
your facial expression

and your body language,

so that you can tell a convincing lie.

And we found that those young children

who have more advanced mind-reading
and self-control abilities

tell lies earlier

and are more sophisticated liars.

As it turns out, these two abilities
are also essential for all of us

to function well in our society.

In fact, deficits in mind-reading
and self-control abilities

are associated with serious
developmental problems,

such as ADHD and autism.

So if you discover your two-year-old
is telling his or her first lie,

instead of being alarmed,

you should celebrate –

(Laughter)

because it signals that your child
has arrived at a new milestone

of typical development.

Now, are children poor liars?

Do you think you can easily
detect their lies?

Would you like to give it a try?

Yes? OK.

So I’m going to show you two videos.

In the videos,

the children are going to respond
to a researcher’s question,

“Did you peek?”

So try to tell me

which child is lying

and which child is telling the truth.

Here’s child number one.

Are you ready?

(Video) Adult: Did you peek? Child: No.

Kang Lee: And this is child number two.

(Video) Adult: Did you peek? Child: No.

KL: OK, if you think
child number one is lying,

please raise your hand.

And if you think child number two
is lying, please raise your hand.

OK, so as a matter of fact,

child number one is telling the truth,

child number two is lying.

Looks like many of you are terrible
detectors of children’s lies.

(Laughter)

Now, we have played similar kinds of games

with many, many adults
from all walks of life.

And we show them many videos.

In half of the videos, the children lied.

In the other half of the videos,
the children told the truth.

And let’s find out
how these adults performed.

Because there are as many liars
as truth tellers,

if you guess randomly,

there’s a 50 percent chance
you’re going to get it right.

So if your accuracy is around 50 percent,

it means you are a terrible detector
of children’s lies.

So let’s start with undergrads
and law school students,

who typically have
limited experience with children.

No, they cannot detect children’s lies.

Their performance is around chance.

Now how about social workers
and child-protection lawyers,

who work with children on a daily basis?

Can they detect children’s lies?

No, they cannot.

(Laughter)

What about judges,

customs officers

and police officers,

who deal with liars on a daily basis?

Can they detect children’s lies?

No, they cannot.

What about parents?

Can parents detect other children’s lies?

No, they cannot.

What about, can parents
detect their own children’s lies?

No, they cannot.

(Laughter) (Applause)

So now you may ask

why children’s lies
are so difficult to detect.

Let me illustrate this
with my own son, Nathan.

This is his facial expression

when he lies.

(Laughter)

So when children lie,

their facial expression
is typically neutral.

However, behind this neutral expression,

the child is actually experiencing
a lot of emotions,

such as fear, guilt, shame

and maybe a little bit of liar’s delight.

(Laughter)

Unfortunately, such emotions
are either fleeting or hidden.

Therefore, it’s mostly invisible to us.

So in the last five years,

we have been trying to figure out a way
to reveal these hidden emotions.

Then we made a discovery.

We know that underneath our facial skin,

there’s a rich network of blood vessels.

When we experience different emotions,

our facial blood flow changes subtly.

And these changes are regulated
by the autonomic system

that is beyond our conscious control.

By looking at facial blood flow changes,

we can reveal people’s hidden emotions.

Unfortunately, such emotion-related
facial blood flow changes

are too subtle to detect by our naked eye.

So to help us reveal
people’s facial emotions,

we have developed a new imaging technology

we call “transdermal optical imaging.”

To do so, we use a regular
video camera to record people

when they experience
various hidden emotions.

And then, using our image
processing technology,

we can extract transdermal images
of facial blood flow changes.

By looking at transdermal video images,

now we can easily see

facial blood flow changes associated
with the various hidden emotions.

And using this technology,

we can now reveal the hidden emotions
associated with lying,

and therefore detect people’s lies.

We can do so noninvasively,

remotely, inexpensively,

with an accuracy at about 85 percent,

which is far better than chance level.

And in addition, we discovered
a Pinocchio effect.

No, not this Pinocchio effect.

(Laughter)

This is the real Pinocchio effect.

When people lie,

the facial blood flow
on the cheeks decreases,

and the facial blood flow
on the nose increases.

Of course, lying is not the only situation

that will evoke our hidden emotions.

So then we asked ourselves,

in addition to detecting lies,

how can our technology be used?

One application is in education.

For example, using this technology,
we can help this mathematics teacher

to identify the student in his classroom

who may experience high anxiety
about the topic he’s teaching

so that he can help him.

And also we can use this in health care.

For example, every day I Skype my parents,

who live thousands of miles away.

And using this technology,

I can not only find out
what’s going on in their lives

but also simultaneously monitor
their heart rate, their stress level,

their mood and whether or not
they are experiencing pain.

And perhaps in the future,

their risks for heart attack
or hypertension.

And you may ask:

Can we use this also to reveal
politicians' emotions?

(Laughter)

For example, during a debate.

Well, the answer is yes.

Using TV footage,

we could detect
the politicians' heart rate,

mood and stress,

and perhaps in the future,
whether or not they are lying to us.

We can also use this
in marketing research,

for example, to find out

whether or not people like
certain consumer products.

We can even use it in dating.

So for example,

if your date is smiling at you,

this technology can help you to determine

whether she actually likes you

or she is just trying to be nice to you.

And in this case,

she is just trying to be nice to you.

(Laughter)

So transdermal optical imaging technology

is at a very early stage of development.

Many new applications will come about
that we don’t know today.

However, one thing I know for sure

is that lying will never
be the same again.

Thank you very much.

Xiè xie.

(Applause)

你好。

让我问观众一个问题:

你小时候撒过谎吗?

如果有,请
举手好吗?

哇! 这是我见过的最诚实的
一群人。

(笑声)

所以在过去的 20 年里,

我一直在研究
孩子们是如何学会说谎的。

今天,我将与您分享我们的

一些发现。

但首先,我要告诉你
一个理查德·梅西纳先生的故事,

他是我的朋友和
小学校长。

有一天,他接到一个电话。

来电者说:

“墨西拿先生,我儿子约翰尼
今天不会来学校,

因为他病了。”

墨西拿先生问道:

“请问我在和谁说话?”

来电者说:

“我是我的父亲。”

(笑声)

所以这个故事——

(笑声)

很好地总结了
我们

对孩子和说谎的三种常见信念。

一、孩子上

小学后才会说谎。

第二,孩子是可怜的骗子。

我们成年人可以很容易地发现他们的谎言。

第三,如果孩子
在很小的时候撒谎

,肯定是
性格有缺陷

,会成为
病态的骗子一辈子。

好吧,事实证明

这三种信念都是错误的。

我们一直

在和世界各地的孩子们玩猜谜游戏。

这是一个例子。

所以在这个游戏中,我们让孩子
们猜卡片上的数字。

我们告诉他们,如果他们赢得比赛,

他们将获得大奖。

但在比赛进行到一半时,

我们找了个借口离开了房间。

在我们离开房间之前,

我们告诉他们不要偷看卡片。

当然,

我们在房间里隐藏了摄像

头来观察他们的一举一动。

因为
赢得比赛的欲望如此强烈,

超过 90% 的孩子

一离开房间就会偷看。

(笑声

) 关键问题是:

当我们回来问孩子

有没有偷看时,

偷看的孩子会承认

还是撒谎?

我们发现,
无论性别、国家、宗教,

在两岁时,

30% 的人说谎,

70% 的人
说出他们的违法行为的真相。

三岁时,

50% 的人说谎,50% 的人
说真话。

在四岁时,

超过 80% 的人会说谎。

而在四岁之后,

大多数孩子都会撒谎。

如您所见,

说谎确实是发展的典型部分

有些孩子在两岁时就开始

撒谎。

所以现在,让我们仔细
看看年幼的孩子。

为什么有些但不是所有的
幼儿都撒谎?

在烹饪中,您需要好的食材

才能烹饪出好的食物。

良好的谎言需要
两个关键要素。

第一个关键要素
是心智理论,

或读心能力。

读心术是能够

知道不同的人
对情况有不同的了解,

并能够
区分我所知道的

和你所知道的。

读心术对于说谎很重要,

因为说谎的基础是我知道

你不

知道我知道什么。

所以,我可以骗你。 良好撒谎

的第二个关键因素
是自我控制。

它是控制你的言语
、面部表情

和肢体语言的能力,

这样你就可以说出令人信服的谎言。

我们发现,

那些拥有更高级的读心
和自我控制能力的幼儿更容易

说谎,

而且是更老练的说谎者。

事实证明,这两种能力
对于我们所有人

在社会中良好运作也是必不可少的。

事实上,思维阅读
和自我控制能力

的缺陷与严重的
发育问题有关,

例如多动症和自闭症。

所以如果你发现你两岁的孩子
撒了他或她的第一个谎言,

而不是惊慌,

你应该庆祝——

(笑声)

因为这表明你的孩子
已经到达了典型发展的新里程碑

现在,孩子是可怜的骗子吗?

你认为你可以很容易地
发现他们的谎言吗?

你想试一试吗?

是的? 行。

所以我要给你们看两个视频。

在视频中

,孩子们将
回答研究人员的问题:

“你偷看了吗?”

所以试着告诉我

哪个孩子在说谎

,哪个孩子在说真话。

这里是孩子一号。

你准备好了吗?

(视频)大人:你偷看了吗? 孩子:没有。

Kang Lee:这是第二个孩子。

(视频)大人:你偷看了吗? 孩子:没有。

KL:好的,如果你认为
一号孩子在撒谎,

请举手。

如果你认为二号孩子
在撒谎,请举手。

好吧,事实上,

一号孩子说的是真话,

二号孩子说的是谎话。

看起来你们中的许多人都是
儿童谎言的可怕探测器。

(笑声)

现在,我们

和很多很多
各行各业的成年人玩过类似的游戏。

我们向他们展示了许多视频。

在一半的视频中,孩子们撒了谎。

在另一半的视频中
,孩子们说的是实话。

让我们
看看这些成年人的表现如何。

因为说谎者
和说真话的人一样多,所以

如果你随机猜测,你

有 50% 的机会猜
对了。

因此,如果您的准确率在 50% 左右,

则意味着您是儿童谎言的可怕探测器

因此,让我们从本科生
和法学院学生开始,

他们通常
对孩子的经验有限。

不,他们无法发现孩子的谎言。

他们的表现与机会有关。

那么
,每天与儿童打交道的社会工作者和儿童保护律师

呢?

他们能发现孩子的谎言吗?

不,他们不能。

(笑声

)法官、

海关官员

和警察

呢?他们每天都在和骗子打交道?

他们能发现孩子的谎言吗?

不,他们不能。

父母呢?

父母能发现其他孩子的谎言吗?

不,他们不能。

那么,父母能
发现自己孩子的谎言吗?

不,他们不能。

(笑声) (掌声)

所以现在你可能会问

为什么孩子们的
谎言这么难被发现。

让我
用我自己的儿子内森来说明这一点。

这是

他说谎时的表情。

(笑声)

所以当孩子说谎时,

他们的面部表情
通常是中性的。

然而,在这种中性表情的背后

,孩子其实是在经历
着很多情绪,

比如恐惧、内疚、羞愧

,也许还有一点撒谎者的喜悦。

(笑声)

不幸的是,这种
情绪要么转瞬即逝,要么隐藏起来。

因此,它对我们来说几乎是不可见的。

所以在过去的五年里,

我们一直在试图找出一种方法
来揭示这些隐藏的情绪。

然后我们有了一个发现。

我们知道,在我们的面部皮肤下面,

有一个丰富的血管网络。

当我们经历不同的情绪时,

我们的面部血流会发生微妙的变化。

而这些变化

是由超出我们意识控制的自主系统调节的。

通过观察面部血流变化,

我们可以揭示人们隐藏的情绪。

不幸的是,这种与情绪相关的
面部血流

变化太微妙了,肉眼无法察觉。

所以为了帮助我们揭示
人们的面部情绪,

我们开发了一种新的成像技术,

我们称之为“透皮光学成像”。

为此,我们使用普通
摄像机记录人们

在经历
各种隐藏情绪时的情况。

然后,利用我们的图像
处理技术,

我们可以提取
面部血流变化的透皮图像。

通过查看透皮视频图像,

现在我们可以很容易地看到与各种隐藏情绪

相关的面部血流变化

使用这项技术,

我们现在可以揭示与说谎相关的隐藏情绪

,从而检测人们的谎言。

我们可以无创、

远程、廉价地做到这一点

,准确率约为 85%

,远高于机会水平。

此外,我们还发现
了匹诺曹效应。

不,不是这种匹诺曹效应。

(笑声)

这才是真正的匹诺曹效应。

人说谎时,脸颊上

的面部血流量
减少,

鼻子上的面部血流量增加。

当然,撒谎并不是

唯一会唤起我们隐藏情绪的情况。

那么我们就问自己

,除了检测谎言,

我们的技术还能怎么用?

一种应用是在教育领域。

例如,使用这项技术,
我们可以帮助这位数学

老师识别他课堂

上可能
对他所教的主题感到高度焦虑的学生,

以便他可以帮助他。

我们也可以在医疗保健中使用它。

例如,我每天都用 Skype 与

住在数千英里外的父母联系。

使用这项技术,

我不仅
可以了解他们的生活状况

,还可以同时监测
他们的心率、压力水平

、情绪以及
他们是否正在经历疼痛。

也许在未来,

他们
患心脏病或高血压的风险。

你可能会问:

我们也可以用它来揭示
政客的情绪吗?

(笑声)

例如,在辩论中。

嗯,答案是肯定的。

使用电视画面,

我们可以检测
到政客的心率、

情绪和压力

,也许在未来,
他们是否在对我们撒谎。

我们也可以
在营销研究中使用它,

例如,找出

人们是否喜欢
某些消费品。

我们甚至可以在约会中使用它。

例如,

如果你的约会对象对你微笑,

这项技术可以帮助你

确定她是真的喜欢你,

还是只是想对你好。

在这种情况下,

她只是想对你好。

(笑声)

所以透皮光学成像

技术处于非常早期的发展阶段。

许多
我们今天不知道的新应用将会出现。

但是,我可以肯定的一件事

是,撒谎再也
不会一样了。

非常感谢你。

谢谢。

(掌声)