Is war between China and the US inevitable Graham Allison

So, let me thank you
for the opportunity to talk about

the biggest international story
of your professional lifetime,

which is also the most important
international challenge

the world will face
for as far as the eye can see.

The story, of course,
is the rise of China.

Never before have so many people
risen so far so fast,

on so many different dimensions.

The challenge is the impact
of China’s rise –

the discombobulation
this will cause the Unites States

and the international order,

of which the US has been
the principal architect and guardian.

The past 100 years have been what
historians now call an “American Century.”

Americans have become
accustomed to their place

at the top of every pecking order.

So the very idea of another country

that could be as big and strong
as the US – or bigger –

strikes many Americans
as an assault on who they are.

For perspective on what
we’re now seeing in this rivalry,

it’s useful to locate it
on the larger map of history.

The past 500 years have seen 16 cases

in which a rising power
threatened to displace a ruling power.

Twelve of those ended in war.

So just in November, we’ll all pause
to mark the 100th anniversary

of the final day of a war
that became so encompassing,

that it required historians to create
an entirely new category: world war.

So, on the 11th hour of the 11th day

of the 11th month in 1918,

the guns of World War I fell silent,

but 20 million individuals lay dead.

I know that this
is a sophisticated audience,

so you know about the rise of China.

I’m going to focus, therefore,
on the impact of China’s rise,

on the US, on the international order

and on the prospects for war and peace.

But having taught at Harvard
over many years,

I’ve learned that from time to time,
it’s useful to take a short pause,

just to make sure we’re all
on the same page.

The way I do this is, I call a time-out,

I give students a pop quiz –
ungraded, of course.

So, let’s try this. Time-out, pop quiz.

Question:

forty years ago, 1978, China sets out
on its march to the market.

At that point, what percentage
of China’s one billion citizens

were struggling to survive
on less than two dollars a day?

Take a guess – 25 percent?

Fifty?

Seventy-five?

Ninety.

What do you think?

Ninety.

Nine out of every 10
on less than two dollars a day.

Twenty eighteen, 40 years later.

What about the numbers?

What’s your bet?

Take a look.

Fewer than one in 100 today.

And China’s president has promised
that within the next three years,

those last tens of millions
will have been raised up

above that threshold.

So it’s a miracle, actually,
in our lifetime.

Hard to believe.

But brute facts are even harder to ignore.

A nation that didn’t even appear
on any of the international league tables

25 years ago

has soared,

to rival – and in some areas,
surpass – the United States.

Thus, the challenge
that will shape our world:

a seemingly unstoppable rising China

accelerating towards an apparently
immovable ruling US,

on course for what could be
the grandest collision in history.

To help us get our minds
around this challenge,

I’m going to introduce you
to a great thinker,

I’m going to present a big idea,

and I’m going to pose a most
consequential question.

The great thinker is Thucydides.

Now, I know his name is a mouthful,

and some people
have trouble pronouncing it.

So, let’s do it, one,
two, three, together:

Thucydides.

One more time: Thucydides.

So who was Thucydides?

He was the father and founder of history.

He wrote the first-ever history book.

It’s titled “The History
of the Peloponnesian War,”

about the war in Greece, 2500 years ago.

So if nothing else today,
you can tweet your friends,

“I met a great thinker.

And I can even pronounce
his name: Thucydides.”

So, about this war
that destroyed classical Greece,

Thucydides wrote famously:

“It was the rise of Athens
and the fear that this instilled in Sparta

that made the war inevitable.”

So the rise of one

and the reaction of the other

create a toxic cocktail of pride,

arrogance, paranoia,

that drug them both to war.

Which brings me to the big idea:

Thucydides’s Trap.

“Thucydides’s Trap” is a term
I coined several years ago,

to make vivid Thucydides’s insight.

Thucydides’s Trap is the dangerous
dynamic that occurs

when a rising power threatens
to displace a ruling power,

like Athens –

or Germany 100 years ago,
or China today –

and their impact on Sparta,

or Great Britain 100 years ago,
or the US today.

As Henry Kissinger has said,

once you get this idea, this concept
of Thucydides’s Trap in your head,

it will provide a lens

for helping you look through
the news and noise of the day

to understand what’s actually going on.

So, to the most consequential question
about our world today:

Are we going to follow
in the footsteps of history?

Or can we, through a combination
of imagination and common sense

and courage

find a way to manage this rivalry

without a war nobody wants,

and everybody knows would be catastrophic?

Give me five minutes to unpack this,

and later this afternoon, when the next
news story pops up for you

about China doing this,
or the US reacting like that,

you will be able to have a better
understanding of what’s going on

and even to explain it to your friends.

So as we saw with this flipping
the pyramid of poverty,

China has actually soared.

It’s meteoric.

Former Czech president, Vaclav Havel,
I think, put it best.

He said, “All this has happened so fast,
we haven’t yet had time to be astonished.”

(Laughter)

To remind myself
how astonished I should be,

I occasionally look out the window
in my office in Cambridge

at this bridge, which goes
across the Charles River,

between the Kennedy School
and Harvard Business School.

In 2012, the State of Massachusetts said
they were going to renovate this bridge,

and it would take two years.

In 2014, they said it wasn’t finished.

In 2015, they said
it would take one more year.

In 2016, they said it’s not finished,

we’re not going to tell you
when it’s going to be finished.

Finally, last year, it was finished –
three times over budget.

Now, compare this to a similar bridge
that I drove across last month in Beijing.

It’s called the Sanyuan Bridge.

In 2015, the Chinese decided
they wanted to renovate that bridge.

It actually has twice as many
lanes of traffic.

How long did it take for them
to complete the project?

Twenty fifteen, what do you bet?

Take a guess – OK, three –

Take a look.

(Laughter)

The answer is 43 hours.

(Audience: Wow!)

(Laughter)

Graham Allison: Now, of course,
that couldn’t happen in New York.

(Laughter)

Behind this speed in execution
is a purpose-driven leader

and a government that works.

The most ambitious
and most competent leader

on the international stage today
is Chinese President Xi Jinping.

And he’s made no secret
about what he wants.

As he said when he became
president six years ago,

his goal is to make China great again –

(Laughter)

a banner he raised long before
Donald Trump picked up a version of this.

To that end, Xi Jinping has announced
specific targets for specific dates:

2025, 2035, 2049.

By 2025, China means to be
the dominant power

in the major market
in 10 leading technologies,

including driverless cars, robots,

artificial intelligence,
quantum computing.

By 2035, China means to be
the innovation leader

across all the advanced technologies.

And by 2049, which is
the 100th anniversary

of the founding of the People’s Republic,

China means to be
unambiguously number one,

including, [says] Xi Jinping,
an army that he calls “Fight and Win.”

So these are audacious goals,
but as you can see,

China is already well on its way

to these objectives.

And we should remember
how fast our world is changing.

Thirty years ago,

the World Wide Web had not
yet even been invented.

Who will feel the impact
of this rise of China most directly?

Obviously, the current number one.

As China gets bigger
and stronger and richer,

technologically more advanced,

it will inevitably bump up against
American positions and prerogatives.

Now, for red-blooded Americans –

and especially for red-necked Americans
like me; I’m from North Carolina –

there’s something wrong with this picture.

The USA means number one,
that’s who we are.

But again, to repeat:
brute facts are hard to ignore.

Four years ago, Senator John McCain
asked me to testify about this

to his Senate Armed Services Committee.

And I made for them a chart
that you can see,

that said, compare the US and China

to kids on opposite ends
of a seesaw on a playground,

each represented by the size
of their economy.

As late as 2004,
China was just half our size.

By 2014, its GDP was equal to ours.

And on the current trajectory,
by 2024, it will be half again larger.

The consequences of this tectonic change
will be felt everywhere.

For example, in the current
trade conflict,

China is already
the number one trading partner

of all the major Asian countries.

Which brings us back
to our Greek historian.

Harvard’s “Thucydides’s Trap Case File”
has reviewed the last 500 years of history

and found 16 cases in which a rising power

threatened to displace a ruling power.

Twelve of these ended in war.

And the tragedy of this
is that in very few of these

did either of the protagonists want a war;

few of these wars were initiated
by either the rising power

or the ruling power.

So how does this work?

What happens is,
a third party’s provocation

forces one or the other to react,

and that sets in motion a spiral,

which drags the two somewhere
they don’t want to go.

If that seems crazy, it is.

But it’s life.

Remember World War I.

The provocation in that case

was the assassination
of a second-level figure,

Archduke Franz Ferdinand,

which then led
the Austro-Hungarian emperor

to issue an ultimatum to Serbia,

they dragged in the various allies,

within two months,
all of Europe was at war.

So imagine if Thucydides were watching
planet Earth today.

What would he say?

Could he find a more appropriate
leading man for the ruling power

than Donald J Trump?

(Laughter)

Or a more apt lead for the rising
power than Xi Jinping?

And he would scratch his head

and certainly say he couldn’t think
of more colorful provocateur

than North Korea’s Kim Jong-un.

Each seems determined
to play his assigned part

and is right on script.

So finally, we conclude again
with the most consequential question,

the question that will have
the gravest consequences

for the rest of our lives:

Are Americans and Chinese going to let
the forces of history drive us to a war

that would be catastrophic for both?

Or can we summon
the imagination and courage

to find a way to survive together,

to share the leadership
in the 21st century,

or, as Xi Jinping [said], to create
a new form of great power relations?

That’s the issue I’ve been
pursuing passionately

for the last two years.

I’ve had the opportunity to talk
and, indeed, to listen

to leaders of all
the relevant governments –

Beijing, Washington, Seoul, Tokyo –

and to thought leaders across the spectrum
of both the arts and business.

I wish I had more to report.

The good news is that leaders
are increasingly aware

of this Thucydidean dynamic

and the dangers that it poses.

The bad news is that
nobody has a feasible plan

for escaping history as usual.

So it’s clear to me
that we need some ideas

outside the box
of conventional statecraft –

indeed, from another page
or another space –

which is what brings me to TED today

and which brings me to a request.

This audience includes many
of the most creative minds on the planet,

who get up in the morning and think

not only about how to manage
the world we have,

but how to create worlds that should be.

So I’m hopeful that as this sinks in
and as you reflect on it,

some of you are going to have
some bold ideas, actually some wild ideas,

that when we find, will make
a difference in this space.

And just to remind you if you do,

this won’t be the first time.

Let me remind you of what happened
right after World War II.

A remarkable group of Americans
and Europeans and others,

not just from government, but from
the world of culture and business,

engaged in a collective
surge of imagination.

And what they imagined
and what they created

was a new international order,

the order that’s allowed you and me
to live our lives, all of our lives,

without great power war

and with more prosperity
than was ever seen before on the planet.

So, a remarkable story.

Interestingly, every pillar of this
project that produced these results,

when first proposed,

was rejected by the foreign
policy establishment

as naive or unrealistic.

My favorite is the Marshall Plan.

After World War II,
Americans felt exhausted.

They had demobilized 10 million troops,

they were focused on
an urgent domestic agenda.

But as people began to appreciate
how devastated Europe was

and how aggressive Soviet communism was,

Americans eventually decided
to tax themselves

a percent and a half of GDP
every year for four years

and send that money to Europe
to help reconstruct these countries,

including Germany and Italy,

whose troops had just
been killing Americans.

Amazing.

This also created the United Nations.

Amazing.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The World Bank.

NATO.

All of these elements of an order
for peace and prosperity.

So, in a word, what we need
to do is do it again.

And I think now we need a surge
of imagination, creativity,

informed by history,

for, as the philosopher
Santayana reminded us,

in the end, only those
who refuse to study history

are condemned to repeat it.

Thank you.

(Applause)

所以,让我感谢你
有机会谈论

你职业生涯中最大的国际故事,

这也是

全世界将面临
的最重要的国际挑战。

故事当然
是中国的崛起。

从来没有这么多人

在这么多不同的维度上如此迅速地上升到如此地步。

挑战
在于中国崛起的影响——

这将给美国

和国际秩序造成混乱

,而美国一直是
其中的主要建筑师和维护者。

过去的 100 年是
历史学家现在所说的“美国世纪”。

美国人已经
习惯了他们

在每一个优先顺序的顶端的位置。

因此,另一个国家

可能像美国一样强大
——或更大——的想法让

许多美国人
感到震惊,因为这是对他们是谁的攻击。

要了解
我们现在在这场竞争中看到的情况,将

其定位
在更大的历史地图上会很有用。

在过去的 500 年中,出现了 16

起新兴大国
威胁要取代统治大国的案例。

其中十二人以战争告终。

因此,就在 11 月,我们都将停下

纪念一场战争的最后一天 100 周年,这场战争
变得如此包容,

以至于历史学家需要创建
一个全新的类别:世界大战。

于是,

在 1918 年 11 月 11 日 11 时

,第一次世界大战的枪声沉寂了下来,

但有 2000 万人死去。

我知道这
是一个成熟的观众,

所以你知道中国的崛起。

因此,我将重点关注
中国崛起

、美国、国际秩序

以及战争与和平前景的影响。

但在哈佛任教
多年后,

我不时了解到,
稍作停顿是很有用的,

只是为了确保我们都
在同一个页面上。

我这样做的方式是,我叫暂停,

我给学生做一个小
测验——当然不评分。

所以,让我们试试这个。 超时,流行测验。

问:

四十年前的1978年,中国
踏上了市场化的征程。

到那时
,中国10亿公民

中有
多少人每天靠不到两美元勉强维持生计?

猜一猜——25%?

五十?

七十五?

九十。

你怎么认为?

九十。

每 10 个人中有 9 个人
每天花费不到 2 美元。

二十八,四十年后。

数字呢?

你的赌注是什么?

看一看。

今天不到百分之一。

中国国家主席已经承诺
,在未来三年内

,最后几千万

超过这个门槛。

所以这实际上
是我们一生中的奇迹。

难以置信。

但残酷的事实更难以忽视。

一个在 25 年前甚至没有出现
在任何国际排名表上的国家

已经飙升,

可以与美国匹敌——甚至在某些领域,甚至
超过——美国。

因此
,将塑造我们世界的挑战:

一个看似不可阻挡的崛起中国

加速走向一个看似
不可动摇的统治美国

,这可能
是历史上最盛大的碰撞。

为了帮助我们
解决这个挑战,

我将向您
介绍一位伟大的思想家,

我将提出一个伟大的想法

,我将提出一个最
重要的问题。

伟大的思想家是修昔底德。

现在,我知道他的名字很拗口

,有些
人很难发音。

所以,让我们一起做,一,
二,三,一起:修

昔底德。

再来一次:修昔底德。

那么修昔底德是谁?

他是历史之父和创始人。

他写了第一本历史书。

它的标题是“
伯罗奔尼撒战争的历史”,

讲述的是 2500 年前的希腊战争。

所以如果今天不出意外,
你可以发推给你的朋友,

“我遇到了一位伟大的思想家。

我什至可以念出
他的名字:修昔底德。”

因此,关于
这场摧毁古典希腊的战争,修

昔底德写了一句名言:

“正是雅典的崛起
以及这给斯巴达灌输的恐惧

使这场战争不可避免。”

因此,一个人的崛起和另一个人

的反应

创造了一种混合了骄傲、

傲慢和偏执狂的有毒混合物,

使他们俩都陷入了战争。

这让我想到了一个大想法:修

昔底德陷阱。

“修昔底德陷阱”是
我几年前创造的一个术语,

目的是让修昔底德的洞见更加生动。

修昔底德陷阱是

当一个崛起的大国威胁
要取代一个统治大国时发生的危险动态,

比如雅典——

或100年前的德国,
或今天的中国——

以及它们对斯巴达、

100年前的英国
或美国的影响 今天。

正如亨利·基辛格所说,

一旦你有了这个想法,这个修
昔底德陷阱的概念在你的脑海中,

它将提供一个镜头

,帮助你浏览
当天的新闻和噪音,

以了解实际发生的事情。

所以,对于当今世界最重要的问题

我们要追随
历史的脚步吗?

或者,我们能否通过
想象力、常识和勇气的结合,

找到一种方法来管理这场竞争,

而无需一场没人想要的战争,

而且每个人都知道这将是一场灾难性的战争?

给我五分钟的时间来解开这个

,今天下午晚些时候,当你看到下一个

关于中国这样做,
或者美国做出那样反应的新闻报道时,

你将能够更好地
了解正在发生的事情

,甚至 向你的朋友解释。

因此,正如我们所看到的,随着
贫困金字塔的倒转,

中国实际上已经飙升。

它是流星的。 我认为

捷克前总统瓦茨拉夫·哈维尔
说得最好。

他说:“这一切发生得如此之快,
我们还没来得及惊讶。”

(笑声)

为了提醒自己
我应该感到多么惊讶,

我偶尔会
在剑桥办公室的窗外

看这座桥,这座桥
横跨查尔斯河,

位于肯尼迪学院
和哈佛商学院之间。

2012 年,马萨诸塞州表示
他们将翻新这座桥

,需要两年时间。

2014年,他们说还没有完成。

2015年,他们说
还需要一年时间。

2016年,他们说还没有完成,

我们不会告诉你
什么时候完成。

最后,去年,它完成了——
超出预算的三倍。

现在,把它和
我上个月在北京开车经过的一座类似的桥进行比较。

叫三元桥。

2015年,中国人决定
要翻新那座桥。

它实际上有两倍的
车道。

他们完成这个项目花了多长时间

二十五,你赌什么?

猜一猜——好的,三个——

看看。

(笑声

) 答案是 43 小时。

(观众:哇!)

(笑声)

Graham Allison:现在,当然,
这不可能在纽约发生。

(笑声)

这种执行速度的背后
是一个目标驱动的领导者

和一个有效的政府。

当今国际舞台上最雄心勃勃
、最称职的领导人

是中国国家主席习近平。


对自己想要什么毫不掩饰。

正如他在六年前就任总统时所说的

他的目标是让中国再次伟大——

(笑声)这

是他在
唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)获得这个版本之前很久就举起的一面旗帜。

为此,习近平公布
了具体日期的具体目标:

2025年、2035年、2049年。

到2025年,中国意味着

无人驾驶汽车、机器人、

人工智能、
量子计算等10项领先技术方面成为主要市场的主导力量 .

到 2035 年,中国意味着成为所有先进技术
的创新领导者

到 2049 年,也就是

中华人民共和国成立 100 周年,

中国意味着
毫无疑问地成为第一,

包括,[说]习近平,
一支他称之为“打赢”的军队。

所以这些都是大胆的目标,
但正如你所看到的,

中国已经在

朝着这些目标迈进。

我们应该记住
我们的世界变化的速度有多快。

三十年前

,万维网还
没有被发明出来。

谁会
最直接地感受到中国崛起的影响?

很明显,目前排名第一。

随着中国变得
越来越强大、越来越富裕、

技术越来越先进,

它不可避免地会与
美国的立场和特权发生冲突。

现在,对于热血的美国人

——尤其是像我这样的红脖子的美国人
; 我来自北卡罗来纳州——

这张照片有问题。

美国意味着第一,
那就是我们。

但是,再重复一遍:
残酷的事实是难以忽视的。

四年前,参议员约翰麦凯恩
要求我

向他的参议院军事委员会作证。

我为他们制作了一张
你可以看到的图表,上面

说,将美国和中国


操场上跷跷板两端的孩子进行比较,

每个孩子都代表
他们的经济规模。

直到 2004 年,
中国还只有我们的一半。

到 2014 年,它的 GDP 与我们相当。

按照目前的轨迹,
到 2024 年,它将再大一半。

这种构造变化的后果
将无处不在。

例如,在当前的
贸易冲突中,

中国已经

是所有亚洲主要国家的第一大贸易伙伴。

这让我们回到
了我们的希腊历史学家。

哈佛大学的“修昔底德陷阱案例档案
”回顾了过去 500 年的历史

,发现了 16 个新兴大国

威胁要取代统治大国的案例。

其中十二个以战争告终。

悲剧
在于,其中很少

有主角想要一场战争。

这些战争很少是
由崛起的大国

或统治大国发起的。

那么这是如何工作的呢?

所发生的情况是
,第三方的挑衅

迫使其中一方做出反应

,从而引发螺旋式运动,

将两人拖到
他们不想去的地方。

如果这看起来很疯狂,那就是。

但这是生活。

还记得第一次世界大战。

那个案子的挑衅

是暗杀
了一个二级人物

弗朗茨·斐迪南大公

,然后
带领奥匈帝国皇帝

向塞尔维亚发出最后通牒,

他们在两个月内拖累了各个盟友,

整个欧洲都处于战争状态。

所以想象一下,如果修昔底德今天正在观察
地球。

他会说什么?

他能找到

比唐纳德·J·特朗普更合适的掌权人吗?

(笑声)

还是比习近平更适合领导崛起的大
国?

他会挠头

,肯定地说他想不出比朝鲜
的金正恩更丰富多彩的挑衅者

每个人似乎都
决心扮演他指定的角色,

并且在剧本上是正确的。

所以最后,我们再次
以最重要的问题结束,

这个问题将对我们的余生产生
最严重的后果

美国人和中国人会不会让
历史的力量把我们推向一场

对双方来说都是灾难性的战争?

或者我们能否
鼓起想象力和

勇气找到一条共同生存的道路,

在21世纪分享领导力

或者像习近平[所说的],创造
一种新型的大国关系?

这是我过去两年一直在
热情地追求的问题

我有机会与

所有相关政府的领导人——

北京、华盛顿、首尔、东京——

以及艺术和商业领域的思想领袖交谈,事实上也听取了他们的意见。

我希望我有更多的报告。

好消息是,
领导人越来越意识到修

昔底德式的动态

及其带来的危险。

坏消息是,
没有

人像往常一样拥有逃避历史的可行计划。

所以我很清楚
,我们需要一些

传统治国之道之外的想法——

事实上,来自另一个页面
或另一个空间——

这就是今天让我来到 TED 的原因

,也让我提出了一个要求。

这些观众包括
地球上许多最具创造力的头脑,

他们早上起床时

不仅思考如何管理
我们拥有的

世界,而且思考如何创造应有的世界。

所以我希望随着这个问题的深入
和你的反思

,你们中的一些人会有
一些大胆的想法,实际上是一些疯狂的想法

,当我们找到这些想法时,
将会在这个领域产生影响。

只是提醒你,如果你这样做,

这不会是第一次。

让我提醒你
二战后发生的事情。

一群了不起的美国人
、欧洲人和其他人,

不仅来自政府,而且
来自文化和商业界,

他们共同
激发了想象力。

他们想象
和创造的

是一个新的国际秩序,

这个秩序让你和我
能够过上我们的生活,我们所有的生活,

没有大国战争,

并且
比地球上以往任何时候都更加繁荣。

所以,一个了不起的故事。

有趣的是
,产生这些结果的这个项目的每一个支柱,

在首次提出时,

都被外交
政策机构

斥为幼稚或不切实际。

我最喜欢的是马歇尔计划。

二战后,
美国人感到筋疲力尽。

他们已经遣散了 1000 万军队,

他们专注于
一项紧迫的国内议程。

但随着人们开始
意识到欧洲的毁灭性

和苏联共产主义的侵略性,

美国人最终决定
在四年内每年向自己

征收 GDP 的 1.5%

,并将这笔钱寄给欧洲,
以帮助重建这些国家,

包括德国和 意大利,

其军队
刚刚杀害了美国人。

惊人。

这也创建了联合国。

惊人。

《世界人权宣言》。

世界银行。

北约。 和平与繁荣

秩序的所有这些要素

所以,总而言之,我们
需要做的就是再做一次。

而且我认为现在我们需要大量
的想象力和创造力,

以历史

为基础,因为正如哲学家
桑塔亚纳提醒我们的

那样,最终,只有
那些拒绝研究历史的人才

注定要重蹈覆辙。

谢谢你。

(掌声)