The injustice of policing for profit and how to end it Dick M. Carpenter II

Picture yourself driving
down the road tomorrow,

heading somewhere to buy an item
you found on Craigslist,

perhaps a nice mountain bike
for 3,000 dollars.

At that price, it’s probably
one of those bikes

with a little electric motor on it –

(Laughter)

maybe some streamers from the handlebars.

(Laughter)

The seller has declared this
a cash-only deal,

so you have, in the console
of your car, 3,000 dollars.

Suddenly, you are pulled over.

During the stop, the officer asks,

“Do you have any drugs, weapons
or large amounts of cash in your car?”

You truthfully answer, “Yes,”

not to the drugs or to the weapons,

but to the cash.

In the blink of an eye,
you are ordered out of your car.

The officer searches it
and finds your cash.

On the spot, he seizes it,

and he says he suspects
it’s part of a drug crime.

A few days later,

the local district attorney files
paperwork to keep your money –

permanently.

And all of this happens

without you ever being charged
or convicted of any crime.

Now, you might be saying,

“Ah, this would never happen
in the United States.”

(Laughter)

Incidents like this occur
every day in our country.

It’s one of the most significant threats
to your property rights

most people have never even heard of.

It’s called “civil forfeiture.”

Most of you are generally aware
of criminal forfeiture,

although the term itself
might be a little unfamiliar,

so let’s begin with forfeiture.

When we forfeit something,
we give up that thing,

or we’re forced to give it up.

In criminal forfeiture,

someone is charged
and convicted of a crime,

and therefore, they have to give up
property related to that crime.

For example, suppose you use your car
to transport and deal drugs.

You’re caught and convicted;

now you have to give up
or forfeit your car

as part of the sentencing.

That’s criminal forfeiture.

But in civil forfeiture,
no person is charged with a crime –

the property is charged
and convicted of a crime.

(Laughter)

You heard that correctly:

the government actually convicts
an inanimate object with a crime.

It’s as if that thing itself
committed the crime.

That’s why civil forfeiture cases
have these really peculiar names,

like, “The United States of America
v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird.”

(Laughter)

Or “The State of Oklahoma
v. 53,234 Dollars in Cash.”

(Laughter)

Or my personal favorite:

“The United States of America
v. One Solid Gold Object

in the Form of a Rooster.”

(Laughter)

Now, you’re thinking:

How does something like this happen?

That’s exactly what I said when
I first learned about civil forfeiture

while on a road trip with my wife.

No, we did not get pulled over.

(Laughter)

I was reading about
the history of civil forfeiture

as part of my work as a research
director at the law firm,

and I came across
one of the cases I just mentioned,

“The United States of America
v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird.”

In that case, Carol Thomas
loaned her car to her son.

While in the car, her son committed
a minor drug crime.

Carol didn’t commit any crime,

so law enforcement couldn’t
convict her and take the car,

but they could – and did –

use civil forfeiture
to “convict the car” and take it.

Carol was completely innocent,
but she lost her car nonetheless.

In other words,

she was punished for a crime
she did not commit.

When I read this, I was gobsmacked.

How could this occur?

How is this even legal?

It turns out, it began in our country
with maritime law.

Early in our republic, the government
sought to fight piracy –

yes, actual pirates.

The problem was the government
often couldn’t catch the pirates,

so instead it used civil forfeiture
to convict the pirates' property

and take it,

and therefore deny the pirates
their illegal profits.

Of course, the government could’ve simply
taken and kept the booty

without necessarily
using civil forfeiture,

but doing so would have violated

our most basic due process
and property rights.

Now, the government rarely used
civil forfeiture until the 1980s

and the war on drugs.

We expanded civil forfeiture law
to cover drug crimes

and then later, other types of crime.

Canada and the European Union
adopted similar provisions

so that now all kinds of people
are ensnared in the forfeiture web,

people like Russ Caswell.

Russ Caswell owned a small budget motel
in Tewksbury, Massachusetts.

His father built the motel in 1955,
and Russ took it over in the 1980s.

During the years
that Russ owned the motel,

from time to time,
people would rent rooms,

and they would commit drug crimes.

Russ didn’t condone the activities –

in fact, whenever he found out about it,
he would immediately call police.

Russ was entirely innocent of any crime,

but that did not stop the US Department
of Justice from seizing his motel

simply because other people
committed crimes there.

But Russ’s case was not alone.

Between 1997 and 2016,

the US Department of Justice
took more than 635,000 properties.

This means each year,

tens of thousands of people
lose their properties

in cases in which they’re never charged
or convicted of any crime.

And we’re not necessarily talking about
major drug kingpins

or headline-grabbing financial fraudsters

whose cases involve hundreds of thousands
if not millions of dollars.

Many of these seizures and forfeitures
involve just everyday people

like Russ Caswell

or you

or me.

But it gets worse.

Are you wondering:

Where does all this cash
and property end up?

In most places, law enforcement keeps it.

And they use it to buy equipment

or pay for building repairs

or even pay salaries and overtime.

This is a clear conflict of interest.

It creates a perverse profit incentive
that can distort law enforcement.

And this is a problem that’s not lost
on those in law enforcement, either.

Former chief of police in Rochester,
Minnesota, Roger Peterson,

described the choice
that police officers often face.

As he described it:

suppose I’m a police officer,

and I see a drug deal.

Now I face a choice:

Do I go after the buyer
and remove from the street illegal drugs,

or do I go after the seller

and get cash for my agency to use?

So it’s easy to see why
a police officer might go for the cash.

It was just such a circumstance

that compelled police officers
in Philadelphia to seize an entire house.

In 2014, Chris and Markela Sourovelis' son
sold 40 dollars worth of drugs

down the street from their house.

Forty dollars.

The police watched the deal go down.

They could’ve arrested the buyer
and confiscated the drugs,

but they didn’t.

They could’ve arrested
the Sourovelises' son

right there on the street

and grabbed 40 dollars.

But they didn’t.

They waited to arrest him at home,

because then they could seize
their entire house.

The house was worth 350,000 dollars.

That is what I mean
by a perverse profit incentive.

But the Sourovelises' case was no outlier.

Philadelphia, the “City
of Brotherly Love,”

the “Athens of America,”

the “Cradle of Liberty,”
birthplace to the Constitution,

home to the Liberty Bell
and Independence Hall,

the “City that Loves you Back” –

(Laughter)

that Philadelphia was running
a forfeiture machine.

Between 2002 and 2016,

Philadelphia took more than 77 million
dollars through forfeiture,

including 1,200 homes.

Cars, jewelry, electronics –
all of it they sold,

the proceeds they kept.

And they would have
kept right on doing it,

had it not been
for a class-action lawsuit –

our team’s class-action lawsuit –

(Applause and cheers)

Thank you.

We forced them to change
their forfeiture practices

and to compensate victims.

(Applause and cheers)

When our team first began
researching forfeiture in 2007,

we had no idea how much
forfeiture revenue there was.

In fact, no one knew.

It wasn’t until our groundbreaking study,
“Policing for Profit,”

that we found federal law
enforcement agencies have taken in

almost 40 billion dollars –

billion with a B –

since 2001,

more than 80 percent of that
through civil forfeiture.

Unfortunately, we have no idea

how much state and local
agencies have taken in,

because in many states,
they don’t have to report it.

So until we reform forfeiture,

we’ll never know how much
forfeiture activity actually occurs

in the United States.

And we desperately need reform.

Legislatures should abolish
civil forfeiture

and replace it with criminal forfeiture.

And all forfeiture proceeds
should go to a neutral fund

such as a general fund.

When forfeiture proceeds stop hitting
law enforcement budgets directly,

that is when we will end
policing for profit.

(Applause)

Now, as you can imagine,

law enforcement officials
don’t love these recommendations.

(Laughter)

They stand to lose a lot of money,

and they believe civil forfeiture
is an effective crime-fighting tool.

The trouble is,

it’s not.

In June 2019, we released a study

that found forfeiture does not
improve crime-fighting.

And the report also found

that law enforcement agencies
pursue more forfeiture money

during economic downturns.

So when city and county budgets are tight,

law enforcement will use forfeiture
to find the money.

So it’s no wonder, then,

that law enforcement officials
predict a criminal apocalypse –

(Laughter)

if these reforms are adopted.

But some states have
already implemented them,

and we’re pushing for reform
all across the country,

because until we reform forfeiture,

this is something that could
happen to any of us.

It can happen in the United States,

it can happen in the United Kingdom,

it can happen in countries
throughout the European Union

and beyond.

People like you and me
and the Sourovelises and Russ Caswell,

just doing the everyday stuff of life,

can be caught in a scheme
we never thought possible.

It is time we end policing for profit

once and for all.

Thank you.

(Applause and cheers)

想象一下你
明天开车在路上,

去某个地方买一件
你在 Craigslist 上找到的东西,

也许是一辆 3000 美元的不错的山地
自行车。

以这个价格,它可能是
一辆

带有小电动马达的自行车——

(笑声)

可能是车把上的一些飘带。

(笑声

) 卖家已经宣布这
是一个只收现金的交易,

所以你在
你的汽车控制台里有 3000 美元。

突然,你被拉了过来。

停车时,警察问:

“你的车里有毒品、武器
或大量现金吗?”

你如实回答“是”,

不是针对毒品或武器,

而是针对现金。

眨眼间,
你被命令下车。

警察搜查它
并找到你的现金。

当场,他抓住了它

,他说他怀疑
这是毒品犯罪的一部分。

几天后

,当地的地方检察官提交
文件以永久保留您的钱

所有这一切都发生

在你没有被指控
或被判犯有任何罪行的情况下。

现在,你可能会说,

“啊,这在美国永远不会发生
。”

(笑声) 这样的

事件
在我们国家每天都在发生。

这是

大多数人从未听说过的对您的财产权的最重大威胁之一。

它被称为“民事没收”。

你们中的大多数人通常都
知道刑事没收,

尽管这个词本身
可能有点陌生,

所以让我们从没收开始。

当我们放弃某样东西时,
我们就放弃那东西,

或者我们被迫放弃它。

在刑事没收中,

某人被指控
并被判有罪

,因此,他们必须放弃
与该罪行有关的财产。

例如,假设您使用
汽车运输和交易毒品。

你被抓了,被定罪了;

现在,作为判决的一部分,您必须放弃
或没收您的汽车

那是刑事没收。

但是在民事没收中,
没有人被指控犯罪

——财产被指控
并被判有罪。

(笑声)

你没听错

:政府实际上是把
一个无生命的物体定罪。

就好像那东西本身就
犯了罪似的。

这就是为什么民事没收案件
有这些非常奇特的名称,

比如“美利坚合众国
诉一辆 1990 年的福特雷鸟”。

(笑声)

或者“俄克拉荷马州
诉 53,234 美元现金”。

(笑声)

或者我个人最喜欢的:

“美利坚合众国

一只公鸡形状的纯金物体”。

(笑声)

现在,你在想:

这样的事情是怎么发生的?

这正是我在

与妻子的公路旅行中第一次了解民事没收时所说的。

不,我们没有被拦下。

(笑声)

我在律师事务所担任研究主管时正在阅读
有关民事没收的历史

,我遇到
了我刚才提到的一个案例,

“美利坚合众国
诉一辆 1990 年的福特雷鸟 。”

在那种情况下,卡罗尔托马斯
把她的车借给了她的儿子。

在车里,她的儿子犯下
了轻微的毒品罪。

Carol 没有犯罪,

因此执法部门无法
判定她有罪并拿走这辆车,

但他们可以——而且确实——

使用民事没收
来“判定这辆车有罪”并取走它。

卡罗尔是完全无辜的,
但她还是把车弄丢了。

换句话说,

她因她没有犯下的罪行而受到惩罚

当我读到这里时,我惊呆了。

这怎么可能发生?

这怎么可能合法?

事实证明,它始于我国
的海事法。

在我们共和国的早期,政府
试图打击海盗——

是的,真正的海盗。

问题是政府
往往抓不住海盗,

所以反而以民事没收
的方式将海盗的财产定罪并没收

,从而否认海盗
的非法利润。

当然,政府可以简单地
拿走和保留战利品,

而不必
使用民事没收,

但这样做会违反

我们最基本的正当程序
和财产权。

现在,
直到 1980 年代

和禁毒战争之前,政府很少使用民事没收。

我们扩大了民事没收法
以涵盖毒品犯罪

,然后是其他类型的犯罪。

加拿大和欧盟
采用了类似的规定,

因此现在各种各样的人
都陷入了没收网中

,比如 Russ Caswell。

Russ Caswell
在马萨诸塞州的图克斯伯里拥有一家小型廉价汽车旅馆。

他的父亲在 1955 年建造了这家汽车旅馆
,拉斯在 1980 年代接管了它。


拉斯拥有这家汽车旅馆的那些年里,

人们不时会租房子

,他们会犯下毒品犯罪。

拉斯并没有宽恕这些活动

——事实上,只要他知道了,
他就会立即报警。

拉斯完全没有任何罪行,

但这并没有阻止美国司法部

仅仅因为其他人
在那里犯罪而没收他的汽车旅馆。

但拉斯的案例并不孤单。

1997 年至 2016 年间

,美国司法部
收缴了超过 635,000 处房产。

这意味着每年都有

成千上万

的人在从未被指控
或被判犯有任何罪行的情况下失去财产。

而且我们不一定要谈论
主要的毒枭

或引人注目的金融欺诈者,

他们的案件涉及数十万
甚至数百万美元。

许多这些扣押和没收
只涉及

像 Russ Caswell

或你

我这样的普通人。

但它变得更糟。

您是否想知道:

所有这些现金
和财产最终都去了哪里?

在大多数地方,执法部门都会保留它。

他们用它来购买设备

或支付建筑维修费用

,甚至支付工资和加班费。

这是明显的利益冲突。

它创造了一种不正当的利润激励
,可能会扭曲执法。

这也是执法人员不会忽视的问题
。 明尼苏达

州罗切斯特市前警察局长
罗杰·彼得森

描述
了警察经常面临的选择。

正如他所描述的:

假设我是一名警察

,我看到了毒品交易。

现在我面临一个选择:

我是追捕买家
并从街头清除非法毒品,

还是追捕卖家

并获得现金供我的代理机构使用?

所以很容易看出
为什么警察会去拿现金。

正是这种

情况迫使
费城的警察没收了一整座房子。

2014 年,Chris 和 Markela Sourovelis 的儿子在他们家的街上
卖掉了价值 40 美元的

毒品。

40美元。

警方眼睁睁地看着交易失败。

他们本可以逮捕买家
并没收毒品,

但他们没有。

他们本可以
在街上逮捕 Sourovelises 的儿子

并抢走 40 美元。

但他们没有。

他们在家等着逮捕他,

因为这样他们就可以占领
他们的整个房子。

房子价值35万美元。

这就是我所说
的不正当的利润激励。

但 Sourovelises 的情况并非异常。

费城,“
兄弟之爱的城市”

、“美国的雅典”

、“自由的摇篮”
、宪法的诞生地

、自由钟
和独立厅的所在地

、“爱你的城市”——

(笑声

) 费城正在运行
一台没收机器。

从 2002 年到 2016 年,

费城通过没收的方式拿走了超过 7700 万
美元,

其中包括 1200 座房屋。

汽车、珠宝、电子产品——
他们卖掉了所有这些,

他们保留了收益。

如果不是
因为集体诉讼——

我们团队的集体诉讼——

(掌声和欢呼),他们会继续这样做

。谢谢。

我们迫使他们改变
没收做法

并赔偿受害者。

(掌声和欢呼)2007

年我们团队刚开始
研究没收时,

我们不知道
没收的收入有多少。

事实上,没有人知道。

直到我们的开创性研究
“为盈利而治安”

,我们才发现联邦
执法机构自 2001 年以来已经获得了

近 400 亿美元(带有 B 的十亿美元)

,其中

超过 80% 是
通过民事没收。

不幸的是,我们不知道

州和地方
机构吸收了多少,

因为在许多州,
他们不必报告。

因此,在我们改革没收之前,

我们永远不会知道美国
实际发生了多少没收活动

我们迫切需要改革。

立法机关应废除
民事没收

,代之以刑事没收。

所有没收的收益
都应该捐给

普通基金等中性基金。

当没收所得不再
直接影响执法预算时,

即我们将结束
以营利为目的的警务。

(掌声)

现在,你可以想象,

执法人员
不喜欢这些建议。

(笑声)

他们会损失很多钱

,他们相信民事没收
是一种有效的打击犯罪工具。

问题是,

它不是。

2019 年 6 月,我们发布了一项研究

,发现没收并不能
促进打击犯罪。

报告还发现

,执法机构在经济低迷时期
追捕更多的没收资金

因此,当市县预算紧张时,

执法部门将使用没收
资金来寻找资金。

因此,如果这些改革被采纳

,执法官员会
预测犯罪的末日也就不足为奇了——

(笑声)

但是一些州
已经实施了它们

,我们正在
全国范围内推动改革,

因为在我们改革没收之前,

这可能会
发生在我们任何人身上。

它可能发生在美国,

可能发生在英国

,可能发生在
整个欧盟

及其他国家。

像你和我
、Sourovelises 和 Russ Caswell

这样的人,只是做日常生活中的事情,

可能会陷入
我们从未想过的计划中。

现在是我们一劳永逸地结束以盈利为目的的警务的时候了

谢谢你。

(掌声和欢呼)