A climate solution where all sides can win Ted Halstead

I have a two-year-old daughter named Naya

who is under the mistaken impression

that this conference
is named in honor of her father.

(Laughter)

Who am I to contradict my baby girl?

As many of you know, there’s something
about becoming a parent

that concentrates the mind
on long-term problems like climate change.

It was the birth of my daughter
that inspired me

to launch this climate organization,

in order to counteract the excessive
polarization of this issue

in the United States,

and to find a conservative
pathway forward.

Yes, folks, a Republican
climate solution is possible,

and you know what?

It may even be better.

(Laughter)

Let me try to prove that to you.

What we really need
is a killer app to climate policy.

In the technology world, a killer app
is an application so transformative

that it creates its own market,

like Uber.

In the climate world,

a killer app is a new
solution so promising

that it can break through
the seemingly insurmountable

barriers to progress.

These include the psychological barrier.

Climate advocates have long
been encouraging their fellow citizens

to make short-term sacrifices now

for benefits that accrue to other people

in other countries 30 or 40
years in the future.

It just doesn’t fly because it runs
contrary to basic human nature.

Next is the geopolitical barrier.

Under the current rules of global trade,

countries have a strong incentive
to free ride off the emissions reductions

of other nations,

instead of strengthening
their own programs.

This has been the curse

of every international
climate negotiations, including Paris.

Finally, we have the partisan barrier.

Even the most committed countries –

Germany, the United Kingdom, Canada –

are nowhere near reducing emissions
at the required scale and speed.

Not even close.

And the partisan climate divide
is far more acute

here in the United States.

We are fundamentally stuck,

and that is why we need
a killer app of climate policy

to break through each of these barriers.

I’m convinced that the road
to climate progress in the United States

runs through the Republican Party

and the business community.

So in launching
the Climate Leadership Council,

I started by reaching out to a who’s who
of Republican elder statesmen

and business leaders,

including James Baker and George Schultz,

the two most respected Republican
elder statesmen in America;

Martin Feldstein and Greg Mankiw,

the two most respected
conservative economists in the country;

and Henry Paulson and Rob Walton,

two of the most successful
and admired business leaders.

Together, we co-authored

“The Conservative Case
For Carbon Dividends.”

This represents the first time

that Republican leaders put forth

a concrete market-based climate solution.

(Applause)

Thank you.

(Applause)

We presented our plan at the White House

two weeks after President Trump moved in.

Almost every leading
editorial board in the country

has since endorsed our plan,

and Fortune 100 companies
from a wide range of industries

are now getting behind it.

So by now you’re probably wondering,

what exactly is this plan?

Well, our carbon dividends solution
is based on four pillars.

The first is a gradually
rising carbon tax.

Although capitalism is a wonderful system,

like many operating systems,
it’s prone to bugs,

which, in this case, are called
“market failures.”

By far the largest is that
market prices fail to take

social and environmental
costs into account.

That means every market transaction
is based on incorrect information.

This fundamental bug of capitalism,
more than any other single factor,

is to blame for our climate predicament.

Now in theory, this should be
an easy problem to fix.

Economists agree

that the best solution is to put a price
on the carbon content of fossil fuels,

otherwise known as a carbon tax.

This would discourage carbon emissions

in every single economic transaction,

every day of the year.

However, a carbon tax by itself
has proven to be unpopular

and a political dead end.

The answer is to return
all the money raised

directly to citizens,

in the form of equal monthly dividends.

This would transform
an unpopular carbon tax

into a popular and populist solution,

and it would also solve

the underlying psychological barrier
that we discussed,

by giving everyone a concrete benefit
in the here and now.

And these benefits would be significant.

Assuming a carbon tax rate
that starts at 40 dollars per ton,

a family of four would receive
2,000 dollars per year

from the get-go.

According to the US Treasury Department,

the bottom 70 percent of Americans
would receive more in dividends

than they would pay
in increased energy prices.

That means 223 million Americans
would win economically

from solving climate change.

And that –

(Applause)

is revolutionary,

and could fundamentally
alter climate politics.

But there’s another
revolutionary element here.

The amount of the dividend would grow

as the carbon tax rate increases.

The more we protect our climate,

the more our citizens benefit.

This creates a positive feedback loop,

which is crucial,

because the only way we will reach
our long-term emission-reduction goals

is if the carbon tax rate
goes up every year.

The third pillar of our program
is eliminating regulations

that are no longer needed

once a carbon dividends plan is enacted.

This is a key selling point
to Republicans and business leaders.

So why should we trade

climate regulations for a price on carbon?

Well, let me show you.

Our plan would achieve nearly twice
the emissions reductions

of all Obama-era climate
regulations combined,

and nearly three times the new baseline

after President Trump repeals
all of those regulations.

That assumes a carbon tax
starting at 40 dollars per ton,

which translates into roughly
an extra 36 cents per gallon of gas.

Our plan by itself

would meet the high end
of America’s commitment

under the Paris Climate Agreement,

and as you can see,

the emissions reductions
would continue over time.

This illustrates the power
of a conservative climate solution

based on free markets
and limited government.

We would end up with less regulation

and far less pollution at the same time,

while helping working-class
Americans get ahead.

Doesn’t that sound like something
we could all support?

(Applause)

The fourth and final pillar of our program
is a new climate domino effect,

based on border carbon adjustments.

Now that may sound complicated,

but it, too, is revolutionary,

because it provides us
a whole new strategy

to reach a global price on carbon,

which is ultimately what we need.

Let me show you an example.

Suppose Country A adopts
a carbon dividends plan,

and Country B does not.

Well, to level the playing field

and protect the competitiveness
of its industries,

Country A would tax imports from Country B

based on their carbon content.

Fair enough.

But here’s where it gets
really interesting,

because the money raised at the border
would increase the dividends

going to the citizens of Country A.

Well, how long do you think it would take
the public in Country B to realize

that that money should be going to them,

and to push for a carbon
dividends plan in their own land?

Add a few more countries,

and we get a new climate domino effect.

Once one major country or region
adopts carbon dividends

with border carbon adjustments,

other countries are compelled
to follow suit.

One by one the dominoes fall.

And this domino effect
could start anywhere.

My preference, strongly,
is the United States,

but it could also start
in the United Kingdom,

in Germany or another European country,

or even in China.

Let’s take China as an example.

China is committed to reducing
greenhouse gas emissions,

but what its leaders care even more about

is transitioning their economy
to consumer-led economic development.

Well, nothing could do more
to hasten that transition

than giving every Chinese citizen
a monthly dividend.

In fact, this is the only policy solution

that would enable China to meet
its environmental and economic goals

at the same time.

That’s why this is the killer app
of climate policy,

because it would enable us to overcome

each of the barriers we discussed earlier:

the psychological barrier,
the partisan barrier,

and, as we’ve just seen,
the geopolitical barrier.

All we need is a country to lead the way.

And one method of finding
what you’re looking for

is to take out an ad.

So let’s read this one together.

Wanted: country to pioneer
carbon dividends plan.

Cost to country: zero.

Starting date: as soon as possible.

Advantages: most effective
climate solution,

popular and populist,

pro-growth and pro-business,

shrinks government
and helps the working class.

Additional compensation: gratitude
of current and future generations,

including my daughter.

Thank you.

(Applause)

Chris Anderson: Just one
question for you, Ted.

I’m actually not sure

I’ve seen a conservative
get a standing O at TED before that.

That’s pretty cool.

The logic seems really powerful,

but some people you talk to in politics

say it’s hard to imagine this
still getting through Congress.

How are you feeling
about momentum behind this?

Ted Halstead: So I understand
that many are very pessimistic

about what’s happening in
the United States with President Trump.

I’m less pessimistic; here’s why.

The actions of this White House,
the early actions on climate,

are just the first move
in a complex game of climate chess.

So far it’s been a repeal-only strategy;

the pressure is going to mount
for a replacement program,

which is where we come in.

And there are three reasons why,
which I’ll go through real quickly.

One, the business community
is fundamentally parting ways

with the White House on climate change.

In fact, we’re finding

a number of Fortune 100 companies
supporting our program.

Within two months,
we’re going to be announcing

some really surprising names
coming out in favor of this program.

Two, there is no issue
in American politics

where there’s a more fundamental gap
between the Republican base

and the Republican leadership
than climate change.

And three, thinking of
this analogy of chess,

the big decision up ahead is:
Does the administration stay in Paris?

Well, let’s pan it out both ways.

If it stays in Paris, as many
are pushing for in the administration,

well then that begs a question:
What’s the plan?

We have the plan.

But if they don’t stay in Paris,

the international pressure
will be overwhelming.

Our Secretary of State will be asking
other countries for NATO contributions,

and they’ll be saying,
“No, give us our Paris commitment.

Come through on your commitments,
we’ll come through on ours.”

So, international, business
and even the Republican base

will all be calling for
a Republican replacement plan.

And, hopefully, we’ve provided one.

CA: Thank you so much, Ted.

TH: Thank you, Chris.

(Applause)

我有一个两岁的女儿,名叫娜雅

,她误

以为这次会议
是为了纪念她的父亲而命名的。

(笑声)

我是谁来反驳我的宝贝女儿?

正如你们中的许多人所知,
成为父母

会集中精力
解决气候变化等长期问题。

正是我女儿的出生
激励

我成立了这个气候组织,

以对抗美国
在这个问题

上的过度两极分化,

并找到一条保守的
前进道路。

是的,伙计们,共和党的
气候解决方案是可能的

,你知道吗?

它甚至可能会更好。

(笑声)

让我试着向你证明这一点。

我们真正需要的
是气候政策的杀手级应用。

在科技界,杀手级应用程序
是一种变革性很强的应用程序

,它创造了自己的市场,

就像优步一样。

在气候世界中

,杀手级应用程序是一种新的
解决方案,它非常有前途

,可以
突破看似不可逾越的

进步障碍。

这些包括心理障碍。

长期以来,气候倡导者
一直在鼓励他们的同胞

做出短期牺牲

,以换取未来

30 或 40 年后其他国家的其他人所获得的利益

它只是不会飞,因为它
违背了基本的人性。

其次是地缘政治壁垒。

在当前的全球贸易规则下,

各国有强烈的
动机搭便车搭便车

而不是加强
自己的计划。

这一直是包括巴黎在内

的每一次国际
气候谈判的诅咒。

最后,我们有党派障碍。

即使是最坚定的国家——

德国、英国、加拿大——

也远未
达到所需规模和速度的减排目标。

差远了。

在美国,党派气候
分歧更为

严重。

我们从根本上陷入困境

,这就是为什么我们需要
一个气候政策杀手级应用程序

来突破这些障碍。

我坚信,
美国的气候进步之路

贯穿共和党

和商界。

因此,在
启动气候领导委员会时,

我首先接触
了共和党资深政治家

和商界领袖的名人录,

包括詹姆斯·贝克和乔治·舒尔茨,

这两位美国最受尊敬的共和党
资深政治家;

Martin Feldstein 和 Greg Mankiw,

该国两位最受尊敬的
保守派经济学家;

亨利保尔森和罗伯沃尔顿,

两位最成功
和最受尊敬的商界领袖。

我们共同撰写了


碳红利的保守案例”。

是共和党领导人首次提出

以市场为基础的具体气候解决方案。

(掌声)

谢谢。

(掌声)

特朗普总统入职两周后,我们在白宫提出了我们的计划。此后,该国

几乎所有主要的
编辑委员会

都认可了我们的计划,来自各行各业

的财富 100 强公司

现在都在支持它。

所以现在你可能想知道,

这个计划到底是什么?

好吧,我们的碳红利解决
方案基于四大支柱。

首先是逐渐
提高的碳税。

尽管资本主义是一个很棒的系统,

就像许多操作系统一样,
但它很容易出现错误

,在这种情况下,这被称为
“市场失灵”。

到目前为止,最大的问题是
市场价格未能将

社会和环境
成本考虑在内。

这意味着每笔市场交易
都基于不正确的信息。

资本主义的这个根本错误,
比任何其他单一因素

都更应该归咎于我们的气候困境。

现在理论上,这应该是
一个容易解决的问题。

经济学家一致

认为,最好的解决方案是
为化石燃料的碳含量定价,

也称为碳税。

这将阻止一年中每一天

的每一笔经济交易中的碳排放

然而,碳税本身
已被证明是不受欢迎的,

而且是一条政治死胡同。

答案是以每月等额分红的形式将
所有筹集的资金

直接返还给公民

这会将
不受欢迎的碳税

转变为受欢迎的民粹主义解决方案

,它还将解决我们讨论

的潜在心理障碍

,让每个人
在此时此地获得具体利益。

这些好处将是巨大的。

假设碳税
税率从每吨 40 美元开始,

一个四口之家

从一开始每年将获得 2,000 美元。

根据美国财政部的数据,

最底层的 70% 的
美国人获得的红利将

多于他们支付
的能源价格上涨。

这意味着 2.23 亿美国人

将从解决气候变化中获得经济利益。

那——

(掌声)

是革命性的

,可以从根本上
改变气候政治。

但这里还有另一个
革命性的元素。

股息的数额将

随着碳税率的增加而增加。

我们对气候的保护

越多,我们的公民就越受益。

这创造了一个正反馈循环,

这一点至关重要,

因为我们实现长期减排目标的唯一途径

是碳税税率
每年上升。

我们计划的第三个支柱
是取消

碳红利计划实施后不再需要的法规。

这是
共和党人和商界领袖的关键卖点。

那么,我们为什么

要以碳价格来交换气候法规呢?

好吧,让我告诉你。

我们的计划将实现

奥巴马时代所有气候
法规加起来的近两倍的减排量,

以及

特朗普总统废除
所有这些法规后新基准的近三倍。

假设碳税
从每吨 40 美元开始,

这意味着
每加仑汽油大约额外增加 36 美分。

我们的计划本身


满足美国

在《巴黎气候协定》下的最高承诺

,正如你所看到的

,减排
将随着时间的推移而继续。

这说明了

基于自由市场
和有限政府的保守气候解决方案的力量。 在帮助美国工人阶级取得成功的同时,

我们最终会得到更少的监管

和更少的污染

这听起来不是
我们都可以支持的吗?

(掌声)

我们计划的第四个也是最后一个支柱
是基于边境碳调整的新气候多米诺骨牌效应

现在这听起来可能很复杂,

但它也是革命性的,

因为它为我们提供了
一个全新的战略

来达到全球碳价格,

这最终是我们所需要的。

让我给你看一个例子。

假设 A 国
采用碳红利计划,

而 B 国没有。

那么,为了公平竞争

并保护
其行业的竞争力,

A 国将根据 B 国

的碳含量对进口产品征税。

很公平。

但这才是
真正有趣的地方,

因为在边境筹集的资金
会增加

流向 A 国公民的红利。

好吧,你认为
B 国的公众需要多长时间才能

意识到这笔钱应该去 对他们来说,


在他们自己的土地上推动碳红利计划?

再添加几个国家

,我们就会得到新的气候多米诺骨牌效应。

一旦一个主要国家或地区

采用边界碳调整的碳红利,

其他国家就
不得不效仿。

多米诺骨牌一个接一个倒下。

这种多米诺骨牌效应
可以从任何地方开始。

我强烈倾向于
美国,

但也可以
从英国

、德国或其他欧洲国家,

甚至中国开始。

让我们以中国为例。

中国致力于减少
温室气体排放,

但其领导人更关心的

是将经济转变
为以消费者为主导的经济发展。

嗯,没有什么

比给每个中国
公民每月分红更能加速这种转变的了。

事实上,这是唯一

能让中国同时实现
其环境和经济目标的政策解决方案

这就是为什么这是气候政策的杀手级应用

因为它可以让我们克服

我们之前讨论过的每一个障碍

:心理障碍
、党派障碍,

以及正如我们刚刚看到
的地缘政治障碍。

我们所需要的只是一个带头的国家。

找到
您正在寻找的东西的一种方法

是取出广告。

所以让我们一起来读一读。

通缉:国家
率先制定碳红利计划。

国家成本:零。

开始日期:尽快。

优点:最有效的
气候解决方案,

受欢迎和民粹主义,有

利于增长和有利于商业,

缩小政府规模
并帮助工人阶级。

额外补偿:
感谢今世后代,

包括我的女儿。

谢谢你。

(掌声)

克里斯·安德森:
特德,只有一个问题。

实际上,我不确定在此之前

我是否见过保守派
在 TED 上获得常设 O。

这很酷。

这个逻辑似乎真的很强大,

但你在政治上与之交谈的一些人

说很难想象这
仍然会通过国会。

您如何看待
这背后的动力?

Ted Halstead:所以我
知道很多人


特朗普总统在美国发生的事情非常悲观。

我不那么悲观; 这就是为什么。

这个白宫的
行动,早期的气候行动,

只是
复杂的气候棋局中的第一步。

到目前为止,这只是一种废除策略。 更换计划

的压力将越来越大

这就是我们的切入点

。原因有三个,
我将很快介绍。

一,商界
从根本上

与白宫在气候变化问题上分道扬镳。

事实上,我们正在

寻找许多财富 100 强公司
支持我们的计划。

在两个月内,
我们将宣布

一些非常令人惊讶的名字
出现在这个计划中。

第二,
在美国政治


,共和党基础

和共和党领导层之间存在
比气候变化更根本的差距。

第三,考虑到
这个国际象棋的类比,

未来的重大决定是:
政府是否留在巴黎?

好吧,让我们从两个方面进行讨论。

如果它留在巴黎,正如政府中许多人
所推动的那样,

那么这就引出了一个问题:
计划是什么?

我们有计划。

但如果他们不留在巴黎

,国际压力
将是巨大的。

我们的国务卿将要求
其他国家向北约捐款

,他们会说,
“不,给我们我们在巴黎的承诺。

兑现你的承诺,
我们会兑现我们的承诺。”

因此,国际、商业
甚至共和党基地

都将呼吁
制定共和党替代计划。

而且,希望我们已经提供了一个。

CA:非常感谢,泰德。

TH:谢谢你,克里斯。

(掌声)