A jurors reflections on the death penalty Lindy Lou Isonhood

It was a Thursday,

June the 23rd, 1994.

(Sighs)

“Collect your belongings.
You are free to go.

When escorted outside,
go directly to your car.

Do not talk to reporters.”

My head is spinning,

my heart is racing,

I can’t get a breath.

I just want out of there.

When I get to my car,

I throw everything on the back,

and I just collapse
into the driver’s seat.

“I can’t do this.

I can’t go home to my family

that I haven’t seen in a week

and pretend to be happy.”

Not even their love and support

could help me at this particular time.

We had just sentenced a man to death.

Now what?

Just go home and wash dishes?

You see, in Mississippi,

the death penalty is like a part
of our unspoken culture.

The basic logic is, if you murder someone,

then you’re going to receive
the death penalty.

So when the jury selection
process took place,

they asked me,

“Could you,

if the evidence presented
justified the death penalty,

could you deliver,

rationally and without reservations,

a penalty of death?”

My answer was an astounding “yes,”

and I was selected as Juror Number 2.

The trial started.

From the evidence being presented

and from the pictures of the victim,

my first response was,
“Yes, this man is a monster,

and he deserves the death penalty.”

For days, I sat and looked at his hands,

the ones that yielded the knife,

and against his pasty white skin,

his eyes …

Well, he spent endless days in his cell,

no sunlight,

so his eyes were as black
as his hair and his mustache.

He was very intimidating,

and there was absolutely
no doubt in his guilt.

But regardless of his guilt,

as the days passed,

I began to see this monster

as a human being.

Something inside of me was changing
that I just didn’t understand.

I was beginning to question myself

as to whether or not I wanted
to give this man the death penalty.

Jury deliberations began,

and the judge gave us jury instructions

and it was to be used as a tool

in how to reach a verdict.

Well, using this tool
only led to one decision,

and that was the death penalty.

I felt backed into a corner.

My head and my heart
were in conflict with each other,

and the thought of the death penalty

made me sick.

However, following
the judge’s instructions,

being a law-abiding person,

I gave up.

I gave up and voted along
with the other 11 jurors.

And there it was:

our broken judicial system at work.

So here I am in my car,

and I’m wondering:

How is my life ever going to be the same?

My life was kids, work,
church, ball games –

just your average, normal, everyday life.

Now everything felt trivial.

I was going down this rabbit hole.

The anger, the anxiety,

the guilt, the depression …

it just clung to me.

I knew that my life had to resume,

so I sought counseling.

The counselor diagnosed me with PTSD

and told me that the best way
to overcome the PTSD

was to talk about the trauma.

However, if I talked or tried
to talk about the trauma

outside her office,

I was shut down.

No one wanted to hear about it.

He was just a murderer. Get over it.

It was then that I decided
to become a silent survivor.

Twelve years later, 2006,

I learned that Bobby Wilcher
had dropped all of his appeals,

and his execution date was approaching.

That was like a punch in the stomach.

All of those buried feelings
just started coming back.

To try and find peace,
I called Bobby’s attorney, and I said,

“Can I see Bobby before he’s executed?”

Driving to the penitentiary
on the day of his execution,

in my mind,

Bobby was going to be manic.

But, surprisingly, he was very calm.

And for two hours, he and I sat there
and talked about life,

and I got to ask him to forgive me
for my hand in his death.

His words to me were:

“You don’t have to apologize.

You didn’t put me here.

I did this myself.

But if it’ll make you feel better,

I forgive you.”

On my way home,

I stopped by a restaurant
and bought a margarita.

(Laughter)

I don’t think I could
get one big enough –

(Laughter)

to try and calm down.

My phone rang.

It was Bobby’s attorney.

Within two minutes of his execution,

they had given him a stay.

This stay gave me time

to reach out to Bobby.

And as crazy as it may sound,

we became friends.

Three months later,

he was executed
by the State of Mississippi.

I’m here to tell you my story,

because it was precisely 22 years later

that I even wanted to open up
enough to talk about it,

when a friend encouraged me.

“Hey, perhaps you need to talk
to the other jurors.

You’ve been through the same experience.”

Uncertain of what I was after,

I did need to talk to them.

So I set out on my quest,

and I actually found most of them.

The first juror I met

thought that Bobby got what he deserved.

Another juror –

well, they just kind of regretted
that it took so long

to carry the sentence out.

Then one juror, and I don’t know
what was wrong with him,

but he didn’t remember
anything about the trial.

(Laughter)

Well,

I’m thinking in my mind,

“Jeez, is this the response
I’m gonna get from everybody else?”

Well, thank God for Allen.

Allen was a gentle soul.

And when I talked to him,
he was genuinely upset

about our decision.

And he told me about the day
that the devastation

really set in on him and hit him.

He was listening to the radio,

and the radio had a list of names
of men to be executed

at Parchman Penitentiary.

He heard Bobby’s name,

and he then truly realized
what he had done.

And he said, “You know, I had
a responsibility in that man’s death.”

Now here it is, 20-something years later,

and Allen is still dealing
with that issue.

And he’s never told anyone about it,
not even his wife.

He also told me

that if the State of Mississippi
wanted to keep the death penalty,

then hey, they needed to provide
counseling for the jurors.

Then the next juror I met was Jane.

Jane is now totally
against the death penalty,

And there was Bill.

Bill said he had this
crushing depression for weeks,

and when he went back to work,

his colleagues would say
things to him like,

“Hey, did you fry him?”

To them, it was just a joke.

Then there was Jon.

Jon said his decision weighed on him,

and it burdened him daily.

The final juror that I spoke to was Ken.

Ken was the foreman of the jury.

When we sat down to talk,

it was apparent that he was deeply
saddened by what we were required to do.

He relived the day
that he left the courthouse

and he drove home

and he went to put his key
in his door and unlock it,

and he said he literally broke down.

He said he knew that Bobby was guilty,

but the decision he made,

he did not know
if it was the right decision.

And he said that he played it
over and over in his head.

Did we do the right thing?

Did we do the right thing?

Did we do the right thing?

(Sighs)

All those years,

and I finally realized that I was not
the only disillusioned juror.

And we talked about sharing our experience

with potential jurors

to give them some insight
into what to expect,

and to tell them do not be complacent;

to know what you believe;

to know where you stand and be prepared,

because you don’t want
to walk in one morning as a juror

and leave at the end of the trial
feeling like a murderer.

Now, through this storm in my life,
I did find some inspiration,

and it came in the form
of my granddaughters.

My 14-year-old granddaughter, Maddie,

was writing an essay
on the death penalty for school,

and she was asking me questions.

Well, it dawned on me
that this child was being raised

in the same eye-for-an-eye culture

as I was,

or had been.

And so I explained my experience
to her this way:

that I had sentenced someone to death

as I served on a jury.

And I asked her,

“Did that make me a murderer?”

She couldn’t answer.

I knew then that this topic
needed to be open for discussion.

And guess what happened?

I got invited to speak, just recently,

in an abolitionist community.

While I was there, I got a T-shirt.

It says, “Stop Executions.”

Well, when I get home, my 16-year-old
granddaughter was there, Anna,

and she says, “Can I have that shirt?”

Well, I looked at her dad –

her dad is my son –

and I knew that he is still dealing
with this death penalty issue.

So I turned around
and I looked at her, and I said,

“Are you gonna wear this?”

So she turned and she looked
at her dad, and she said,

“Dad, I know how you feel,

but I don’t believe in the death penalty.”

My son looked at me,

shook his head, and said,

“Thanks, Mom.”

And I knew it wasn’t a nice “Thanks, Mom.”

(Laughter)

So I learned that life
had taught me some lessons.

It taught me, if I had
not served on that jury,

that I would still be of the same mindset.

It also gave me confidence

to be able to see through
the eyes of my granddaughters,

that this younger generation,
they’re capable and they’re willing

to tackle these difficult social issues.

And because of my experience,

my granddaughters,

they’re now more equipped
to stand on their own

and to think for themselves

than to rely on cultural beliefs.

So:

being from a conservative,
Christian family

from a very conservative state
in the United States,

I am here to tell you

that the death penalty has new opponents.

Thank you.

(Applause)

那是

1994 年 6 月 23 日,星期四。

(叹气)

“收拾好你的东西。
你可以走了。

当被护送到外面时,
直接去你的车上。

不要和记者说话。”

我的头在旋转,

我的心在跳动,

我无法呼吸。

我只是想离开那里。

当我回到我的车上时,

我把所有东西都扔在后面,

然后我就瘫倒
在驾驶座上。

“我做不到

,我不能回到一周未见的家人身边

,假装高兴。” 在这个特殊的时刻,

即使是他们的爱和支持

也无法帮助我。

我们刚刚判了一个人死刑。

怎么办?

只是回家洗碗?

你看,在密西西比州

,死刑就像
我们不言而喻的文化的一部分。

基本逻辑是,如果你谋杀某人,

那么你将
被判处死刑。

所以当陪审团选择
过程开始时,

他们问

我,“

如果提供的证据
证明死刑是正当的

,你能不能

理性地、

毫无保留地判处死刑?”

我的回答是惊人的“是”

,我被选为二号陪审员。

审判开始了。

从提交的证据

和受害者的照片来看,

我的第一反应是,
“是的,这个人是个怪物

,他应该被判处死刑。”

几天来,我坐着看着他的手,

那把刀

,在他苍白的皮肤上,

他的眼睛……

嗯,他在牢房里度过了无数天,

没有阳光,

所以他的眼睛黑
得像 他的头发和胡子。

他非常令人生畏,

他的内疚是绝对没有疑问的。

但不管他是否有罪,

随着时间的流逝,

我开始将这个怪物

视为一个人。

我内心的某些东西正在改变
,我只是不明白。

我开始怀疑

自己是否想
给这个人死刑。

陪审团审议开始了

,法官给了我们陪审团的指示

,它将被用作

如何达成裁决的工具。

好吧,使用这个工具
只会导致一个决定

,那就是死刑。

我觉得自己被逼到了一个角落。

我的头脑和我的心
相互冲突,

一想到死刑

就恶心。

但是,
听从法官的指示,

作为一个守法的人,

我放弃了。

我放弃了,和
其他 11 名陪审员一起投票。

它就在那里:

我们破碎的司法系统在起作用。

所以我在我的车里

,我想知道:

我的生活怎么会和以前一样?

我的生活是孩子、工作、
教堂、球类运动——

只是你普通的、正常的、日常生活。

现在一切都变得微不足道了。

我正沿着这个兔子洞走下去。

愤怒、焦虑

、内疚、抑郁……

它就这样紧紧抓住我。

我知道我的生活必须重新开始,

所以我寻求咨询。

辅导员诊断出我患有创伤后应激障碍,

并告诉我
克服创伤后应激障碍的最佳方法

是谈论创伤。

然而,如果我在她办公室外谈论或
试图谈论她的创伤

我就会被拒之门外。

没有人想听到这件事。

他只是一个杀人犯。 克服它。

就在那时,我
决定成为一个沉默的幸存者。

十二年后的 2006 年,

我得知 Bobby Wilcher
已经放弃了他的所有上诉

,他的处决日期即将到来。

那就像一记重拳打在了肚子上。

所有那些被埋没的感情
才刚刚开始回来。

为了寻求安宁,
我打电话给鲍比的律师,我说:

“我可以在鲍比被处决之前见他吗?”

在他被处决的那天开车去监狱,

在我看来,

鲍比会变得狂躁。

但是,出乎意料的是,他非常冷静。

两个小时里,他和我坐在
那里谈论生活

,我请求他原谅
我在他死后的手。

他对我的话是:

“你不必道歉。

你没有把我放在这里。

我自己做了。

但如果它能让你感觉好些,

我原谅你。”

在回家的路上,

我在一家餐馆停下来
买了一杯玛格丽塔酒。

(笑声)

我不认为我能
得到一个足够大的——

(笑声

)试着冷静下来。

我的电话响了。

是鲍比的律师。

在他被处决后的两分钟内,

他们就让他暂缓了下来。

这次逗留让我有时间联系

鲍比。

尽管听起来很疯狂,但

我们成了朋友。

三个月后,


被密西西比州处决。

我来这里是为了告诉你我的故事,

因为正是在 22 年后,当一位朋友鼓励我时

,我什至想敞开
心扉谈论它

“嘿,也许你需要和
其他陪审员谈谈。

你也有过同样的经历。”

不确定我在追求什么,

我确实需要和他们谈谈。

所以我开始了我的探索

,我实际上找到了大部分。

我遇到的第一个陪审员

认为鲍比得到了他应得的。

另一位陪审员——

嗯,他们只是有点
后悔花了这么长时间

才执行判决。

然后是一名陪审员,我不知道
他出了什么问题,

但他不记得
审判的任何事情。

(笑声)

嗯,

我在心里想,

“天哪,这
就是我要从其他人那里得到的回应吗?”

好吧,为艾伦感谢上帝。

艾伦是一个温柔的灵魂。

当我和他交谈时,
他真的

对我们的决定感到不安。

他告诉我
那天灾难

真的降临到他身上并袭击了他。

他正在听收音机

,收音机里有一列

在帕奇曼监狱处决的人的名单。

他听到了鲍比的名字,

然后他才真正意识到
自己做了什么。

他说:“你知道,我
对那个人的死负有责任。”

20 多年后的

今天,艾伦仍在
处理这个问题。

而且他从来没有告诉过任何人,
包括他的妻子。

他还告诉我

,如果密西西比州
想保留死刑,

那么嘿,他们需要
为陪审员提供咨询。

然后我遇到的下一位陪审员是简。

简现在完全
反对死刑,

还有比尔。

比尔说他
有数周的抑郁症

,当他回去工作时,

他的同事会对
他说,

“嘿,你把他炸了吗?”

对他们来说,这只是个玩笑。

然后是乔恩。

乔恩说他的决定让他

感到压力,而且每天都让他感到负担。

我采访的最后一位陪审员是肯。

肯是陪审团的领班。

当我们坐下来交谈时,

很明显他
对我们被要求做的事情深感难过。

他重温了
离开法院的那一天

,他开车

回家,然后把钥匙
插进门,打开了门

,他说他真的崩溃了。

他说他知道鲍比是有罪的,

但他做出的决定,

他不知道
这是否是正确的决定。

他说他
在脑海里一遍又一遍地播放它。

我们做对了吗?

我们做对了吗?

我们做对了吗?

(叹气

)这么多年

,我终于意识到我
不是唯一一个幻想破灭的陪审员。

我们谈到

与潜在的陪审员分享我们的经验,

让他们
了解会发生什么,

并告诉他们不要自满;

知道你相信什么;

知道你的立场并做好准备,

因为你
不想有一天早上作为陪审员走进去

,在审判结束时离开,
感觉就像一个杀人犯。

现在,通过我生命中的这场风暴,
我确实找到了一些灵感

,它以
我孙女的形式出现。

我 14 岁的孙女 Maddie

正在为学校写一篇关于死刑的文章

,她在问我一些问题。

好吧,我突然
意识到,这个孩子和我曾经或曾经

在同样的以眼还眼的文化

中长大

所以我用这种方式向她解释了我的经历
:当我担任陪审员时

,我曾判处某人死刑

我问她,

“那让我成为凶手了吗?”

她无法回答。

那时我就知道这个话题
需要公开讨论。

猜猜发生了什么?

就在最近,我受邀

在一个废奴主义者社区发表演讲。

当我在那里时,我得到了一件T恤。

它说,“停止执行”。

好吧,当我回到家时,我 16 岁的
孙女安娜在那儿

,她说:“我可以要那件衬衫吗?”

好吧,我看着她的父亲——

她的父亲是我的儿子

——我知道他仍在
处理这个死刑问题。

所以我转身
看着她,我说,

“你要穿这个吗?”

于是她转身
看着她的爸爸,她说:

“爸爸,我知道你的感受,

但我不相信死刑。”

儿子看着我,

摇摇头说:

“谢谢,妈妈。”

我知道这不是一个好听的“谢谢,妈妈”。

(笑声)

所以我知道
生活教会了我一些教训。

它告诉我,如果我
没有在那个陪审团中任职

,我仍然会有同样的心态。

这也让我有信心

能够通过
我孙女的眼睛看到

,年轻一代,
他们有能力,他们

愿意解决这些困难的社会问题。

由于我的经验,

我的孙女们,

他们现在更有
能力独立自主,独立

思考,而

不是依赖文化信仰。

所以:

作为来自美国

一个非常保守的
州的一个保守的基督徒家庭,

我在这里告诉你

,死刑有了新的反对者。

谢谢你。

(掌声)