3 ways to upgrade democracy for the 21st century Max Rashbrooke

Transcriber:

(Māori) Kia ora koutou, everyone.

I want to you today about democracy,

about the struggles
that it’s experiencing,

and the fact that all of us
together in this room

might be the solution.

But before I get onto that,

I want to take a little
detour into the past.

This is a picture from Athens,

or more specifically, it’s a picture
of a place called the Pnyx,

which is where, about two and a half
thousand years ago,

the ancient Greeks, the ancient Athenians,

gathered to take all their major
political decisions together.

I say the ancient Athenians.

In fact, it was only the men.

Actually, it was only the free,
resident, property-owning men.

But with all those failings,

it was still a revolutionary idea:

that ordinary people
were capable of dealing

with the biggest issues of the time

and didn’t need to rely
on a single supposedly superior ruler.

It was, you know,
it was a way of doing things,

it was a political system.

It was, you could say, a democratic
technology appropriate to the time.

Fast-forward to the 19th century

when democracy was having
another flourishing moment

and the democratic technology
that they were using then

was representative democracy.

The idea that you have to elect
a bunch of people –

gentlemen, in the picture here,
all gentlemen, at the time, of course –

you had to elect them
to look after your best interests.

And if you think
about the conditions of the time,

the fact that it was impossible
to gather everybody together physically,

and of course they didn’t have the means
to gather everyone together virtually,

it was again a kind
of democratic technology

appropriate to the time.

Fast-forward again to the 21st century.

And we’re living through
what’s internationally known

as the crisis of democracy.

What I would call the crisis
of representative democracy,

the sense that people
are falling out of love with this

as a way of getting things done,

that it’s not fundamentally working.

And we see this crisis take many forms
in many different countries.

So in the UK,

you see a country that now at times
looks almost ungovernable.

In places like Hungary and Turkey,

you see very frighteningly
authoritarian leaders being elected.

In places like New Zealand,

we see it in the nearly one million people

who could have voted
at the last general election,

but who chose not to.

Now these kinds of struggles,

these sort of crises of democracy
have many roots, of course,

but for me, one of the biggest ones

is that we haven’t upgraded
our democratic technology.

We’re still far too reliant on the systems

that we inherited from the 19th
and from the 20th century.

And we know this
because in survey after survey

people tell us, they say,

“We don’t think that we’re getting
a fair share of decision-making power,

decisions happen somewhere else."

They say, “We don’t think
the current systems

and our government

genuinely deliver on the common good,

the interests that we share as citizens."

They say, “We’re much less
deferential than ever before,

and we expect more than ever before,

and we want more than ever before

to be engaged in the big
political decisions that affect us.”

And they know

that our systems of democracy
have just not kept pace

with either the expectations

or the potential of the 21st century.

And for me, what that suggests

is that we need a really significant
upgrade of our systems of democracy.

That doesn’t mean we throw out everything
that’s working about the current system,

because we will always
need representatives

to carry out some of the complex work
of running the modern world.

But it does mean a bit more Athens

and a bit less Victorian England.

And it also means a big shift
towards what’s generally called

everyday democracy.

And it gets this name

because it’s about finding ways
of bringing democracy closer to people,

giving us more meaningful
opportunities to be involved in it,

giving us a sense that we’re not
just part of government

on one day, every few years when we vote,

but we’re part of it
every other day of the year.

Now that everyday democracy
has two key qualities

that I’ve seen prove
their worth time and again,

in the research that I’ve done.

The first is participation

because it’s only if we as citizens,

as much as possible,

get involved in the decisions
that affect us,

that we’ll actually get
the kind of politics that we need,

that we’ll actually get
our common good served.

The second important
quality is deliberation.

And that’s just a fancy way of saying
high-quality public discussion,

because its all very well
people participating,

but it’s only when we come together
and we listen to each other,

we engage with the evidence,
and reflect on our own views,

that we genuinely bring to the surface
the wisdom and the ideas

that would otherwise remain
scattered and isolated

amongst us as a group.

It’s only then that the crowd really
becomes smarter than the individual.

So if we ask what could
this abstract idea,

this everyday democracy actually
look like in practice,

the great thing is we don’t even
have to use our imaginations

because these things are already happening
in pockets around the world.

One of my favorite quotes
comes from the science fiction writer,

William Gibson, who once said,

“The future’s already here,

it’s just unevenly spread.”

So what I want to do
is share with you three things

from this unevenly spread future
that I’m really excited about

in terms of upgrading the system
of democracy that we work with.

Three components of that potential
democratic upgrade.

And the first of them
is the citizens assembly.

And the idea here is that a polling
company is contracted by government

to draw up, say, a hundred citizens

who are perfectly representative
of the country as a whole.

So perfectly representative
in terms of age, gender,

ethnicity, income level and so on.

And these people are brought together
over a period of weekends or a week,

paid for their time

and asked to discuss an issue
of crucial public importance.

They’re given training

on how to discuss issues
well with each other,

which we’ll all know of course,
from our experiences of arguing online,

if nowhere else,

is not an ability
that we’re all born with innately,

more’s the pity.

In the citizens assembly,

people are also put in front
of evidence and the experts,

and they’re given time
to discuss the issue deeply

with their fellow citizens

and come to a state
of consensus recommendations.

So these kinds of assemblies
have been used in places like Canada,

where they were used to draw up

a new national action plan
on mental health

for the whole country.

A citizens assembly
was used recently in Melbourne

to basically lay the foundation

of a new 10-year financial plan
for the whole city.

So these assemblies
can have real teeth, real weight.

The second key element
of the democratic upgrade:

participatory budgeting.

The idea here is that a local
council or a city council

takes its budget for spending
on new buildings, new services,

and says,

we’re going to put a chunk
of this up for the public to decide,

but only after you’ve argued
the issues over carefully with each other.

And so the process starts
at the neighborhood level.

You have people meeting together
in community halls, in basketball courts,

making the trade-offs,

saying, “Well, are we going to spend
that money on a new health center,

or are we going to spend it
on safety improvements to a local road?”

People using their expertise
in their own lives.

Those discussions are then
pushed up to the suburb or ward level,

and then again, to the city level

and in full view of the public,

the public themselves makes
the final allocation of that budget.

And in the city where this all originated,

Porto Alegre in Brazil,

a place with about a million inhabitants,

as many as 50,000 people get
engaged in that process every year.

The third element of the upgrade:

online consensus forming.

In Taiwan a few years ago,
when Uber arrived on their shores,

the government immediately launched
an online discussion process

using a piece of software called Polis,

which is also coincidentally,
or not coincidentally,

what the ancient Athenians call themselves

when they were making
their collective decisions.

And the way Polis works is
it groups people together,

and then using machine learning
and a bunch of other techniques,

it encourages good discussion
amongst those participating.

It allows them to put up proposals,
which are then discussed,

knocked back, refined,

until they reach something
like 80 percent consensus.

And in the time, in this case,
within about four weeks,

this process had yielded
six recommendations

for how people wanted
to see Uber regulated.

And those, almost all of them,

were immediately picked up
by the government

and accepted by Uber.

Now I find these examples
really inspiring.

People sometimes ask me
why I’m an optimist

and a large part of the answer

is these kinds of innovations,

because I think they,

you know, they’re really show us
that we can have a kind of politics

which is deeply responsive
to our needs as citizens,

but which avoids the peril
of the threats to human liberties,

the threats to civil liberties

that authoritarian populism descends into.

They show us that even though we live
in what looks like quite a dark time,

there are things that act
a bit like emergency lighting,

guiding us towards something better.

And although these are all ideas
from the Western tradition,

they can also be combined with,
adapted by Indigenous traditions

that also value turn-taking in speech
and consensus decision-making.

And the thread that binds
all these traditions together

is essentially a faith in other people.

A faith in people’s ability
to handle difficult decisions,

a faith in people’s ability
to come together

and make political
decisions intelligently.

In the Polis example,

we see that government
can be agile and nimble

in the face of tech disruption.

In the participatory budgeting,

we see that we can build systems

that are disproportionately
used by poor people

and which deliver infrastructure

that is better quality
than the traditional systems.

In citizens assemblies,

the experts who observed them
time and again,

say that in those good conditions
people’s ability to listen to others,

to engage with the evidence,

and to shift from their entrenched views
is consistently astounding.

And that’s a really,
really hopeful finding,

because, you know,
I think we live at a time

where you see right around the world,

huge suspicion of other people,
of other citizens,

huge doubts about whether people
are really able to bear the burden

of decision-making
that democracy places on them.

But if you’re worried, for instance,

about whether a lot of people out there,

you know, are misinformed
or fallen prey to online propaganda,

what better way to push back against that

than by ensuring
that they’re placed in forums.

Forums like the New England
town hall meetings shown here.

Forums where they have to come
face-to-face with other people,

or at least be in close virtual contact,

where they have to justify their opinions,

have to deal with the evidence,

and are encouraged to step away
from their prejudices.

The Canadian philosopher Joseph Heath

says that rationality,

our ability to make good decisions,

isn’t something that we
achieve as individuals,

if we achieve it at all.

It’s something we achieve in groups.

Our best hope of rationality
is each other.

Or to put the thing a different way,

the problem with democracy
is not other people,

it’s not other citizens.

The problem is the situations
in which they – in which we all –

have been asked to do our democratic work.

The problem is the outdated
democratic technology

that we’ve all been forced to use.

And so what these examples show to me,

the reason I find them inspiring,

is that I think they demonstrate
that if you get the situations right,

if you get the technology upgraded,

then actually the things that we do
when we come together as citizens

can be astounding,

and together, we really can build
a form of democracy

that’s genuinely fit for the 21st century.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

抄写员

:(毛利语)Kia ora koutou,大家。

我今天想和你们谈谈民主,

关于
它正在经历的斗争,

以及我们
所有人在这个房间里

可能是解决方案的事实。

但在我开始之前,

我想
绕道过去。

这是一张来自雅典的照片,

或者更具体地说,这是
一张名为 Pnyx 的

地方的照片,大约在
两千五万年前

,古希腊人,古雅典人

聚集在这里,做出他们所有的重大
政治决定 一起。

我说的是古代雅典人。

事实上,这只是男人。

实际上,它只是自由的、
居民的、拥有财产的人。

但尽管有这些失败,

但它仍然是一个革命性的想法:

普通人能够

处理当时最大的问题

,而不需要
依赖一个所谓的上级统治者。

你知道,
这是一种做事方式

,是一种政治制度。

可以说,这是一种
适合当时的民主技术。

快进到 19 世纪,

当时民主正处于
另一个繁荣时期

,他们当时使用的民主技术

是代议制民主。

你必须选举
一群人的想法——

先生们,在这张照片中
,当然是当时所有的先生们——

你必须选择他们
来照顾你的最大利益。

如果你考虑
一下当时的条件,

不可能
将所有人物理地聚集在一起

,当然他们没有办法
将所有人虚拟地聚集在一起,

这又是一种

适合于 时间。

再次快进到 21 世纪。

我们正在经历
国际上所谓

的民主危机。

我称之为
代议制民主的危机

,即
人们不再喜欢这种

作为完成工作的方式的

感觉,它从根本上不起作用。

我们看到这场危机
在许多不同的国家以多种形式出现。

所以在英国,

你会看到一个现在有时
看起来几乎无法治理的国家。

在匈牙利和土耳其这样的地方,

你会看到非常令人恐惧的
专制领导者。

在像新西兰

这样的地方,我们在近一百万本

可以
在上次大选中投票

但选择不投票的人身上看到了这一点。

现在这类斗争,

这类民主危机
当然有很多根源,

但对我来说,最大的根源之一

是我们没有升级
我们的民主技术。

我们仍然过于依赖

我们从 19 世纪
和 20 世纪继承下来的系统。

我们知道这一点,
因为在一次又一次的调查中

人们告诉我们,他们说,

“我们认为我们没有
获得公平的决策权,

决策发生在其他地方。”

他们说,“我们没有
认为当前的制度

和我们的政府

真正实现了

共同利益,即我们作为公民所共有的利益。”

他们说:“我们
比以往任何时候都不那么恭顺

,我们比以往任何时候都期待更多

,我们比以往任何时候都更

希望参与
影响我们的重大政治决策。”

他们知道

,我们的民主制度
没有跟上

21 世纪的期望或潜力。

对我来说,这

表明我们需要
对我们的民主制度进行真正的重大升级。

这并不意味着我们抛弃
当前系统的所有工作,

因为我们总是
需要代表

来执行一些
运行现代世界的复杂工作。

但这确实意味着更多的雅典

和更少的维多利亚时代的英格兰。

这也意味着
向通常所说的

日常民主的重大转变。

它之所以得名,

是因为它是关于寻找
让民主更接近人民的方法,

给我们更多有意义的
机会参与其中,

让我们感觉到我们
不仅仅是某一天的政府的一部分

,每隔几年,当我们 投票,

但我们
一年中每隔一天都会参与其中。

现在,日常民主
有两个关键品质

在我所做的研究中,我已经一次又一次地证明了它们的价值。

首先是参与,

因为只有我们作为公民,

尽可能多

地参与
影响我们的决策

,我们才能真正获得
我们需要的那种政治,

我们才能真正得到
我们的共同利益 .

第二个重要的
品质是深思熟虑。

这只是说高质量公共讨论的一种花哨方式

因为人们都很好地
参与其中,

但只有当我们走到一起
,我们互相倾听,

我们参与证据
,反思我们自己的观点

, 我们真正将
智慧和想法带到了表面,否则这些智慧和

想法将

在我们作为一个群体中分散和孤立。

只有到那时,人群才真正
变得比个人更聪明。

因此,如果我们问
这个抽象的想法,

这种日常民主
在实践中实际上是什么样子

,最棒的是我们甚至
不必使用我们的想象力,

因为这些事情已经
在世界各地的口袋里发生了。

我最喜欢的一句话
来自科幻作家

威廉·吉布森(William Gibson),他曾经说过:

“未来已经到来

,只是分布不均。”

所以我想做的
是与你们分享

这个分布不均的未来
中的三件事,我

对升级
我们合作的民主制度感到非常兴奋。

潜在的
民主升级的三个组成部分。

其中第一个
是公民大会。

这里的想法是,一家民意调查
公司与政府签约,

以起草,例如,

完全
代表整个国家的一百名公民。

所以
在年龄、性别、

种族、收入水平等方面都非常具有代表性。

这些人在
周末或一周的时间里聚集在一起,

为他们的时间付费,

并被要求讨论一个
至关重要的公共问题。

他们接受

了如何很好地相互讨论问题的培训

,当然,
从我们在网上争论的经验中我们都知道,

如果没有其他地方,

这不是
我们与生俱来的能力,

更多的是 可怜。

在公民大会上,

人们也被放在
证据和专家面前

,他们有时间
与同胞深入讨论这个问题


达成一致的建议。

因此,这类集会
已在加拿大等地使用,

用于

制定新的全国
精神卫生

国家行动计划。

最近在墨尔本举行

了一次公民大会,基本上为整个城市

的新 10 年财务计划奠定了基础

所以这些组件
可以有真正的牙齿,真正的重量。 民主升级

的第二个关键
要素:

参与式预算。

这里的想法是地方
议会或市议会

将预算用于
新建筑、新服务的支出,

并说,

我们将把其中的
一部分交给公众来决定,

但前提是你已经
彼此认真地争论了这些问题。

所以这个过程
从邻里层面开始。

人们
在社区大厅、篮球场开会,

做出权衡,

说:“好吧,我们是要把
这笔钱花在一个新的医疗中心,

还是我们要把它
花在改善当地的安全上? 路?”

人们
在自己的生活中使用他们的专业知识。

然后将这些讨论
推到郊区或区一级,

然后再推到城市一级

,在公众的视野下

,公众自己
做出预算的最终分配。

而在这一切的发源地,

巴西的阿雷格里港,

一个拥有约 100 万居民的地方,每年有

多达 50,000 人
参与这一过程。

升级的第三个要素:

线上共识形成。

几年前在台湾,
当优步到达他们的海岸时

,政府立即

使用一款名为 Polis 的软件启动了在线讨论程序,

这也是巧合
或非巧合

,古雅典

人在制作
他们的产品时称自己为 集体决定。

Polis 的工作方式是
将人们聚集在一起,

然后使用机器学习
和许多其他技术

,鼓励
参与者之间进行良好的讨论。

它允许他们提出提案
,然后对其进行讨论、

回击、改进,

直到
达成 80% 的共识。

当时,在这种情况下,
在大约四个星期内,

这个过程就

人们希望
如何看到优步受到监管提出了六项建议。

而这些,几乎所有这些,

都立即
被政府

接走并被优步接受。

现在我发现这些例子
真的很鼓舞人心。

人们有时会问我
为什么我是一个乐观主义者

,大部分答案

是这些创新,

因为我认为他们,

你知道,他们真的向我们展示
了我们可以拥有一种对政治

做出深刻反应
的政治 我们作为公民的需要,

但它避免了
对人类自由

的威胁,威权民粹主义对公民自由的威胁

它们向我们表明,即使我们生活
在一个看起来相当黑暗的时代,

但有些东西
有点像应急照明,

引导我们走向更好的东西。

虽然这些都是
来自西方传统的想法,

但它们也可以与土著传统相结合,并
适应这些传统,这些传统

也重视演讲
和共识决策的轮换。


所有这些传统联系在一起

的主线本质上是对他人的信仰。

相信人们有
能力处理困难的决定

,相信人们有
能力团结起来


明智地做出政治决定。

在 Polis 的例子中,

我们看到政府
可以灵活

应对技术颠覆。

在参与式预算中,

我们看到我们可以建立

贫困人口不成比例地使用的系统,

并提供比传统系统

质量更好的基础设施

在公民大会上,一次又一次地

观察他们的专家

表示,在那些良好的条件下,
人们倾听他人意见

、参与证据

以及从他们根深蒂固的观点转变
的能力始终令人震惊。

这是一个非常
非常有希望的发现,

因为,你知道,
我认为我们生活在

一个你可以看到世界各地的时代,对其

他人,
对其他公民的

巨大怀疑,对人们
是否真的能够承受的巨大怀疑

民主赋予他们的决策负担。

但是,例如,如果您

担心是否有很多人,

您知道,是否被误导
或成为在线宣传的牺牲品,

那么有什么


确保他们被放置在论坛中更好的方式来抵制这种情况。 此处显示

的新英格兰
市政厅会议等论坛。

在论坛上,他们必须
与其他人面对面交流,

或者至少要进行密切的虚拟接触

,他们必须证明自己的观点是正确的,

必须处理证据,

并鼓励
他们摆脱偏见。

加拿大哲学家约瑟夫·希思(Joseph Heath)

说,理性,即

我们做出正确决定的能力,

不是我们
作为个人

所能达到的,如果我们能做到的话。

这是我们在小组中取得的成就。

我们对理性的最大希望
是彼此。

或者换一种说法

,民主的问题
不在于其他人

,也不在于其他公民。

问题
是他们——我们所有人

——被要求做我们的民主工作的情况。

问题是我们都被迫使用的过时的
民主技术

所以这些例子向我展示的,

我觉得它们鼓舞人心的原因

是,我认为它们证明
了如果你把情况做好了,

如果你升级了技术,

那么
当我们作为公民走到一起时,实际上我们所做的事情

可以令人震惊

,我们一起真正可以建立

一种真正适合 21 世纪的民主形式。

非常感谢你。

(掌声)