Chip Kidd The art of first impressions in design and life

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah,

blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah, blah.

So what the hell was that?

Well, you don’t know
because you couldn’t understand it.

It wasn’t clear.

But hopefully, it was said
with enough conviction

that it was at least
alluringly mysterious.

Clarity or mystery?

I’m balancing these two things
in my daily work as a graphic designer,

as well as my daily life as a New Yorker

every day,

and there are two elements
that absolutely fascinate me.

Here’s an example.

Now, how many people know what this is?

Okay. Now how many people
know what this is?

Okay. Thanks to two more deft strokes
by the genius Charles M. Schulz,

we now have seven deft strokes
that in and of themselves

create an entire emotional life,

one that has enthralled
hundreds of millions of fans

for over 50 years.

This is actually a cover of a book

that I designed about the work
of Schulz and his art,

which will be coming out this fall,

and that is the entire cover.

There is no other typographic information
or visual information on the front,

and the name of the book
is “Only What’s Necessary.”

So this is sort of symbolic about
the decisions I have to make every day

about the design that I’m perceiving,

and the design I’m creating.

So clarity.

Clarity gets to the point.

It’s blunt. It’s honest. It’s sincere.

We ask ourselves this.
[“When should you be clear?"]

Now, something like this,
whether we can read it or not,

needs to be really, really clear.

Is it?

This is a rather recent example
of urban clarity that I just love,

mainly because I’m always late
and I am always in a hurry.

So when these meters started showing up
a couple of years ago on street corners,

I was thrilled, because now I finally knew

how many seconds I had
to get across the street

before I got run over by a car.

Six? I can do that. (Laughter)

So let’s look at the yin
to the clarity yang,

and that is mystery.

Mystery is a lot more complicated
by its very definition.

Mystery demands to be decoded,

and when it’s done right,
we really, really want to.

[“When should you be mysterious?"]

In World War II, the Germans
really, really wanted to decode this,

and they couldn’t.

Here’s an example of a design
that I’ve done recently

for a novel by Haruki Murakami,

who I’ve done design work for
for over 20 years now,

and this is a novel about a young man
who has four dear friends

who all of a sudden,
after their freshman year of college,

completely cut him off
with no explanation,

and he is devastated.

And the friends' names each have
a connotation in Japanese to a color.

So there’s Mr. Red, there’s Mr. Blue,
there’s Ms. White, and Ms. Black.

Tsukuru Tazaki, his name
does not correspond to a color,

so his nickname is Colorless, and
as he’s looking back on their friendship,

he recalls that they were like
five fingers on a hand.

So I created this sort of abstract
representation of this,

but there’s a lot more going on
underneath the surface of the story,

and there’s more going on underneath
the surface of the jacket.

The four fingers are now four train lines

in the Tokyo subway system,

which has significance within the story.

And then you have
the colorless subway line

intersecting with each
of the other colors,

which basically he does
later on in the story.

He catches up with each of these people

to find out why they treated him
the way they did.

And so this is the three-dimensional
finished product

sitting on my desk in my office,

and what I was hoping for here
is that you’ll simply be allured

by the mystery of what this looks like,

and will want to read it

to decode and find out and make more clear
why it looks the way it does.

[“The Visual Vernacular."]

This is a way to use a more
familiar kind of mystery.

What does this mean?

This is what it means.
[“Make it look like something else."]

The visual vernacular is the way
we are used to seeing a certain thing

applied to something else so that
we see it in a different way.

This is an approach I wanted to take
to a book of essays by David Sedaris

that had this title at the time.
[“All the Beauty You Will Ever Need”]

Now, the challenge here was that
this title actually means nothing.

It’s not connected to any
of the essays in the book.

It came to the author’s boyfriend
in a dream.

Thank you very much, so – (Laughter) –
so usually, I am creating a design

that is in some way based on the text,
but this is all the text there is.

So you’ve got this mysterious title
that really doesn’t mean anything,

so I was trying to think:

Where might I see a bit of mysterious text
that seems to mean something but doesn’t?

And sure enough, not long after,

one evening after a Chinese meal,

this arrived, and I thought,
“Ah, bing, ideagasm!” (Laughter)

I’ve always loved the hilariously
mysterious tropes of fortune cookies

that seem to mean something extremely deep

but when you think about them – if you
think about them – they really don’t.

This says, “Hardly anyone knows how much
is gained by ignoring the future.”

Thank you. (Laughter)

But we can take this visual vernacular
and apply it to Mr. Sedaris,

and we are so familiar
with how fortune cookie fortunes look

that we don’t even need
the bits of the cookie anymore.

We’re just seeing this strange thing

and we know we love David Sedaris,

and so we’re hoping that
we’re in for a good time.

["‘Fraud’ Essays by David Rakoff”]
David Rakoff was a wonderful writer

and he called his first book “Fraud”

because he was getting sent
on assignments by magazines

to do things that he
was not equipped to do.

So he was this skinny little urban guy

and GQ magazine would send him
down the Colorado River

whitewater rafting to see
if he would survive.

And then he would write about it,
and he felt that he was a fraud

and that he was misrepresenting himself.

And so I wanted the cover of this book
to also misrepresent itself

and then somehow show
a reader reacting to it.

This led me to graffiti.

I’m fascinated by graffiti.

I think anybody who lives
in an urban environment

encounters graffiti all the time,
and there’s all different sorts of it.

This is a picture I took
on the Lower East Side

of just a transformer box on the sidewalk

and it’s been tagged like crazy.

Now whether you look at this and think,
“Oh, that’s a charming urban affectation,”

or you look at it and say,
“That’s illegal abuse of property,”

the one thing I think we can all agree on

is that you cannot read it.

Right? There is no clear message here.

There is another kind of graffiti
that I find far more interesting,

which I call editorial graffiti.

This is a picture I took recently
in the subway,

and sometimes you see
lots of prurient, stupid stuff,

but I thought this was interesting,
and this is a poster that is saying

rah-rah Airbnb,

and someone has taken a Magic Marker

and has editorialized about
what they think about it.

And it got my attention.

So I was thinking, how do we
apply this to this book?

So I get the book by this person,
and I start reading it, and I’m thinking,

this guy is not who he says
he is; he’s a fraud.

And I get out a red Magic Marker,

and out of frustration just
scribble this across the front.

Design done. (Laughter)

And they went for it! (Laughter)

Author liked it, publisher liked it,

and that is how the book
went out into the world,

and it was really fun to see
people reading this on the subway

and walking around with it
and what have you,

and they all sort of looked
like they were crazy.

(Laughter)

["‘Perfidia’ a novel by James Ellroy”]
Okay, James Ellroy, amazing crime writer,

a good friend, I’ve worked
with him for many years.

He is probably best known as the author

of “The Black Dahlia”
and “L.A. Confidential.”

His most recent novel was called this,
which is a very mysterious name

that I’m sure a lot of people know
what it means, but a lot of people don’t.

And it’s a story about a Japanese-American
detective in Los Angeles in 1941

investigating a murder.

And then Pearl Harbor happens,

and as if his life
wasn’t difficult enough,

now the race relations
have really ratcheted up,

and then the Japanese-American
internment camps are quickly created,

and there’s lots of tension

and horrible stuff as he’s still
trying to solve this murder.

And so I did at first think
very literally about this in terms of

all right, we’ll take Pearl Harbor
and we’ll add it to Los Angeles

and we’ll make this apocalyptic dawn
on the horizon of the city.

And so that’s a picture from Pearl Harbor

just grafted onto Los Angeles.

My editor in chief said,
“You know, it’s interesting

but I think you can do better
and I think you can make it simpler.”

And so I went back
to the drawing board, as I often do.

But also, being alive to my surroundings,

I work in a high-rise in Midtown,

and every night,
before I leave the office,

I have to push this button to get out,

and the big heavy glass doors open
and I can get onto the elevator.

And one night, all of a sudden,

I looked at this and I saw it in a way
that I hadn’t really noticed it before.

Big red circle, danger.

And I thought this was so obvious

that it had to have been
done a zillion times,

and so I did a Google image search,
and I couldn’t find another book cover

that looked quite like this,

and so this is really
what solved the problem,

and graphically it’s more interesting

and creates a bigger tension
between the idea

of a certain kind of sunrise
coming up over L.A. and America.

["‘Gulp’ A tour of the human
digestive system by Mary Roach."]

Mary Roach is an amazing writer

who takes potentially mundane
scientific subjects

and makes them not mundane at all;
she makes them really fun.

So in this particular case,

it’s about the human digestive system.

So I’m trying to figure out what
is the cover of this book going to be.

This is a self-portrait. (Laughter)

Every morning I look at myself
in the medicine cabinet mirror

to see if my tongue is black.

And if it’s not, I’m good to go.

(Laughter)

I recommend you all do this.

But I also started thinking,
here’s our introduction.

Right? Into the human digestive system.

But I think what we can all agree on

is that actual photographs
of human mouths, at least based on this,

are off-putting. (Laughter)

So for the cover, then,
I had this illustration done

which is literally more palatable

and reminds us that it’s best
to approach the digestive system

from this end.

(Laughter)

I don’t even have to complete
the sentence. All right.

[“Unuseful mystery”]

What happens when clarity
and mystery get mixed up?

And we see this all the time.

This is what I call unuseful mystery.

I go down into the subway –
I take the subway a lot –

and this piece of paper
is taped to a girder.

Right? And now I’m thinking, uh-oh,

and the train’s about to come and I’m
trying to figure out what this means,

and thanks a lot.

Part of the problem here is that
they’ve compartmentalized the information

in a way they think is helpful,
and frankly, I don’t think it is at all.

So this is mystery we do not need.

What we need is useful clarity,
so just for fun, I redesigned this.

This is using all the same elements.

(Applause)

Thank you. I am still waiting
for a call from the MTA. (Laughter)

You know, I’m actually not even
using more colors than they use.

They just didn’t even bother
to make the 4 and the 5 green,

those idiots. (Laughter)

So the first thing we see
is that there is a service change,

and then, in two complete sentences
with a beginning, a middle and an end,

it tells us what the change is
and what’s going to be happening.

Call me crazy! (Laughter)

[“Useful mystery”]
All right.

Now, here is a piece
of mystery that I love:

packaging.

This redesign of the Diet Coke can

by Turner Duckworth
is to me truly a piece of art.

It’s a work of art. It’s beautiful.

But part of what makes it
so heartening to me as a designer

is that he’s taken the visual
vernacular of Diet Coke –

the typefaces, the colors,
the silver background –

and he’s reduced them
to their most essential parts,

so it’s like going back
to the Charlie Brown face.

It’s like, how can you give them just
enough information so they know what it is

but giving them the credit
for the knowledge that they already have

about this thing?

It looks great, and you would go
into a delicatessen

and all of a sudden see that on the shelf,
and it’s wonderful.

Which makes the next thing –

[“Unuseful clarity”] –
all the more disheartening,

at least to me.

So okay, again, going back
down into the subway,

after this came out,

these are pictures that I took.

Times Square subway station:

Coca-Cola has bought out
the entire thing for advertising. Okay?

And maybe some of you
know where this is going.

Ahem.

“You moved to New York
with the clothes on your back,

the cash in your pocket,
and your eyes on the prize.

You’re on Coke.” (Laughter)

“You moved to New York
with an MBA, one clean suit,

and an extremely firm handshake.

You’re on Coke.” (Laughter)

These are real! (Laughter)

Not even the support beams were spared,

except they switched into Yoda mode.
(Laughter)

“Coke you’re on.” (Laughter)

[“Excuse me, I’m on WHAT??"]

This campaign was a huge misstep.

It was pulled almost instantly
due to consumer backlash

and all sorts of unflattering
parodies on the web –

(Laughter) –

and also that dot next to “You’re on,”
that’s not a period, that’s a trademark.

So thanks a lot.

So to me, this was just so bizarre

about how they could get the packaging
so mysteriously beautiful and perfect

and the message so unbearably,
clearly wrong.

It was just incredible to me.

So I just hope that I’ve been able
to share with you some of my insights

on the uses of clarity
and mystery in my work,

and maybe how you might decide
to be more clear in your life,

or maybe to be a bit more mysterious
and not so over-sharing.

(Laughter)

And if there’s just one thing
that I leave you with from this talk,

I hope it’s this:

Blih blih blih blah. Blah blah blih blih.
["‘Judge This,’ Chip Kidd”]

Blih blih blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah.

Blah blah.

(Applause)

呜呜呜呜呜呜。

呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜呜

呜呜呜呜呜呜

那到底是什么?

好吧,你不知道,
因为你无法理解。

不清楚。

但希望它是
有足够的信心

说它至少是
迷人的神秘。

清晰还是神秘?

我在作为平面设计师的

日常工作以及作为纽约客的日常生活中平衡了这两件事

其中有两个
元素绝对让我着迷。

这是一个例子。

现在,有多少人知道这是什么?

好的。 现在有多少人
知道这是什么?

好的。 多亏
了天才查尔斯·M·舒尔茨(Charles M. Schulz)的两次灵巧笔触,

我们现在有了七次灵巧的笔触
,它们本身就

创造了一个完整的情感生活,50多年来

,它已经吸引
了数亿粉丝

这实际上

是我为舒尔茨的作品
和他的艺术设计的一本书的封面,

这本书将于今年秋天出版

,这就是整个封面。 正面

没有其他印刷信息
或视觉信息

,书名
是“Only What’s Necessary”。

所以这对于
我每天必须做出的

关于我所感知

的设计和我正在创造的设计的决定具有某种象征意义。

如此清晰。

清晰到了重点。

很直白。 这是诚实的。 这是真诚的。

我们这样问自己。
[“你什么时候应该清楚?”]

现在,像这样的东西,
无论我们是否能读懂,都

需要非常非常清楚。

是吗?


是我最近很喜欢的一个城市清晰的例子,

主要是因为我总是迟到
而且我总是很匆忙。

所以当几年前这些计量表开始
出现在街角时,

我很激动,因为现在我终于知道

在被汽车碾过之前我必须穿过马路需要多少秒。

六? 我能做到。 (笑声)

所以让我们从阴
到明阳

,那是个谜。

神秘的定义要复杂得多

谜团需要被解码

,当它正确完成时
,我们真的非常想要。

[“你什么时候应该神秘?”]

在二战中,德国人
真的非常想破译这个

,但他们做不到。


是我最近

为村上春树的小说设计的一个例子

,我已经
做了 20 多年的设计工作

,这是一本关于一个年轻人的小说,
他有四个亲爱的朋友

,他们都是 突然,
在他们大学一年级之后,没有任何解释地

完全切断了他的联系

,他被摧毁了。

并且朋友们的名字
在日语中每个人的名字都有一个颜色的含义。

所以有红色先生,蓝色先生
,白色女士和黑色女士。

田崎作,他的名字
不对应颜色,

所以他的绰号是无色,
当他回顾他们的友谊时,

他回忆起他们就像
一只手上的五个手指。

所以我创造了这种抽象的
表现形式,


在故事的表面之下

还有更多的事情发生,在夹克的表面之下还有更多的事情发生

四个手指现在

是东京地铁系统中的四条火车线路,

这在故事中具有重要意义。

然后你
有无色的地铁线

与其他颜色相交,

这基本上是他
在故事后面所做的。

他追上了这些人中的每一个,

以找出他们为什么以
这种方式对待他。

这就是

我办公室办公桌上的 3D 成品

,我希望在
这里,你会被

它的奥秘所吸引,

并且会想要阅读它

来解码 找出并更清楚
为什么它看起来是这样的。

[“视觉白话。”]

这是一种使用更
熟悉的神秘的方式。

这是什么意思?

这就是它的意思。
[“让它看起来像别的东西。”

]视觉白话是
我们习惯于将某事物

应用于其他事物的方式,以便
我们以不同的方式看待它。

这是我想
对大卫·塞达里斯(David Sedaris)

当时有这个标题的散文集采取的一种方法。
[“你将永远需要的所有美丽”]

现在,这里的挑战是
这个标题实际上没有任何意义。


与书中的任何文章都没有关系。

它来到了作者的男朋友
在梦中。

非常感谢,所以– (笑声)
– 通常,我正在创建一个

以某种方式基于文本的设计,
但这就是所有的文本。

所以你得到了
这个实际上没有任何意义的神秘标题,

所以我试图思考:

我在哪里可以看到
一些看似有意义但实际上没有意义的神秘文字?

果然,不久之后,

在一顿中餐后的一个晚上,

这个来了,我想,
“啊,bing,ideagasm!” (笑声)

我一直很喜欢
幸运饼干的滑稽神秘的比喻,

它们似乎意味着非常深刻的东西,

但是当你想到它们时——如果你
想到它们——它们真的没有。

这就是说,“几乎没有人知道
忽略未来会获得多少。”

谢谢你。 (笑声)

但是我们可以把这个视觉
白话应用到塞达里斯先生身上

,我们
对幸运饼干的命运如此熟悉,

以至于我们甚至不再
需要饼干的碎片了。

我们只是看到这个奇怪的事情

,我们知道我们爱大卫塞达里斯

,所以我们希望
我们能度过一段美好的时光。

[“大卫·拉科夫的‘欺诈’散文”]
大卫·拉科夫是一位出色的作家

,他称他的第一本书为“欺诈”,

因为他
被杂志派去做

他没有能力做的事情。

所以他是这个瘦小的城市小伙子

,GQ 杂志会派他
去科罗拉多河

激流漂流,
看看他是否能活下来。

然后他会写下来
,他觉得他是个骗子

,他在歪曲自己。

所以我希望这本书的封面
也能歪曲自己

,然后以某种方式
显示读者对它的反应。

这让我开始涂鸦。

我对涂鸦很着迷。

我认为任何生活
在城市环境中的人都会

遇到涂鸦,
而且有各种各样的涂鸦。

这是我
在下东区

人行道上的一个变压器箱拍摄的照片

,它被贴上了疯狂的标签。

现在,无论你看到这个并想,
“哦,这是一个迷人的城市做作”,

或者你看到它然后说,
“这是非法滥用财产”

,我认为我们都同意的一件事

是你无法阅读 它。

对? 这里没有明确的信息。

还有另一种
我觉得更有趣的涂鸦

,我称之为社论涂鸦。

这是我最近在地铁里拍的一张照片

,有时你会看到
很多淫荡、愚蠢的东西,

但我觉得这很有趣
,这是一张写着

rah-rah Airbnb 的海报

,有人拿了一个魔术标记

和 对
他们的想法进行了社论。

它引起了我的注意。

所以我在想,我们如何
将它应用到这本书中?

所以我从这个人那里得到了这本书
,我开始读它,我在想,

这个人不是他说的
那个人; 他是个骗子。

然后我拿出一个红色的魔法记号笔

,出于沮丧
,我在前面乱涂乱画。

设计完成。 (笑声

) 他们去争取了! (笑声)

作者喜欢,出版商喜欢

,这本书
就是这样走向世界的

看起来他们疯了。

(笑声)

[“詹姆斯·艾尔罗伊的小说‘Perfidia’”]
好吧,詹姆斯·艾尔罗伊,了不起的犯罪作家,

一个好朋友,我
和他一起工作了很多年。

他最出名的可能

是《黑色大丽花》
和《洛杉矶机密》的作者。

他最近的一部小说叫做这个,
这是一个非常神秘的名字

,我相信很多人都
知道它的意思,但很多人不知道。

这是一个关于
1941 年在洛杉矶

调查一起谋杀案的日裔美国侦探的故事。

然后珍珠港事件发生了

,好像他的生活
还不够艰难,

现在种族
关系真的升级了,

然后日裔美国人
集中营很快就建立起来了,

还有很多紧张

和可怕的事情,他还在
努力 解决这起谋杀案。

所以我一开始确实
是从字面上考虑

这个问题,我们将占领珍珠港
,并将其添加到洛杉矶

,我们将
在城市的地平线上创造这个世界末日的黎明。

这是一张来自珍珠港的照片,

刚刚嫁接到洛杉矶。

我的主编说:
“你知道,这很有趣,

但我认为你可以做得更好
,我认为你可以让它变得更简单。”

所以我
回到了绘图板上,就像我经常做的那样。

而且,我对周围的环境充满活力,

我在中城的一栋高层建筑中工作

,每天晚上,
在我离开办公室之前,

我必须按下这个按钮才能出去,

然后那些又大又重的玻璃门打开了
,我可以进去 上电梯。

一天晚上,突然之间,

我看着这个,我以一种
我以前没有真正注意到的方式看待它。

大红圈,危险。

而且我认为这很明显

,以至于必须
进行无数次

,所以我进行了谷歌图片搜索,但
我找不到另一本

看起来很像这样的书封面

,所以这才是
真正解决问题的方法 问题,从

图形上看,它更有趣,

在洛杉矶和美国出现某种日出的想法之间产生了更大的张力。

[“‘Gulp’ 人类消化系统之旅,
玛丽·罗奇。”]

玛丽·罗奇是一位了不起的作家

,他把可能平凡的
科学

主题变成了平凡的事物。
她让他们真的很有趣。

所以在这种特殊情况下,

它是关于人类消化系统的。

所以我想
弄清楚这本书的封面是什么。

这是一张自画像。 (笑声)

每天早上我都会
在药柜镜子

里看自己,看看我的舌头是不是黑的。

如果不是,我很高兴去。

(笑声)

我建议你们都这样做。

但我也开始思考,
这是我们的介绍。

对? 进入人体消化系统。

但我认为我们都可以同意的

是,
人类嘴巴的实际照片,至少基于此,

是令人反感的。 (笑声)

所以对于封面,
我做了这个插图,

它实际上更可口,

并提醒我们最好

从这一端接近消化系统。

(笑声)

我什至不必完成
这句话。 好的。

[“无用之谜”

] 当清晰
和神秘混在一起时会发生什么?

我们一直看到这一点。

这就是我所说的无用之谜。

我下到地铁里——我经常
坐地铁

——这张纸
被贴在一根大梁上。

对? 现在我在想,呃,哦

,火车就要来了,我正
试图弄清楚这意味着什么

,非常感谢。

这里的部分问题是
他们

以他们认为有用的方式对信息进行了划分
,坦率地说,我认为根本没有。

所以这是我们不需要的奥秘。

我们需要的是有用的清晰度,
所以只是为了好玩,我重新设计了这个。

这是使用所有相同的元素。

(掌声)

谢谢。 我还在
等待 MTA 的电话。 (笑声)

你知道,实际上我
使用的颜色并不比他们使用的多。

他们只是
懒得把4号和5号打成绿色,

那些白痴。 (笑声)

所以我们首先看到
的是服务发生了变化,

然后,用两个完整的句子
,开头、中间和结尾

,告诉我们变化
是什么以及将要发生什么。

叫我疯子! (笑声)

[“有用的秘密”]
好吧。

现在,这
是我喜欢的一个谜:

包装。 特纳·达克沃斯

对健怡可乐罐的重新设计

对我来说真的是一件艺术品。

这是一件艺术品。 很美丽。


作为一名设计师,让我如此振奋的部分原因

是他采用
了健怡可乐的视觉白话

——字体、颜色
、银色背景——

并且他将它们简化
为最重要的部分,

所以就像去
回到查理布朗的脸。

就像,你怎么能给他们
足够的信息,让他们知道它是什么,

但又要给
他们对这件事的知识的信任

它看起来很棒,你会
去熟食店

,突然在架子上看到
它,太棒了。

这使得接下来的事情——

[“无用的清晰度”]
——更加令人沮丧,

至少对我而言。

好吧,再一次,
回到地铁里,

出来之后,

这些是我拍的照片。

时代广场地铁站:

可口可乐
为了广告买下了整个东西。 好的?

也许你们中的一些人
知道这是怎么回事。

咳咳。

“你背着衣服搬到纽约

,口袋里装着现金
,眼睛盯着奖品。

你在喝可乐。” (笑声)

“你
带着工商管理硕士搬到纽约,穿着干净的西装

,握手非常坚定。

你在喝可乐。” (笑声)

这些都是真的! (笑声)

连支撑梁都没有幸免,

除了他们切换到尤达模式。
(笑声)

“你喝可乐。” (笑声)

[“对不起,我在做什么??”]

这个活动是一个巨大的失误。

由于消费者的强烈反对

和网络上各种令人不快的
模仿——

(笑声)——

以及“You’re on”旁边的那个点,它几乎立即被撤下,
这不是一个时期,这是一个商标。

非常感谢。

所以对我来说,这真是太奇怪

了,他们怎么能得到
如此神秘美丽和完美的包装,

以及如此难以忍受、
明显错误的信息。

这对我来说简直不可思议。

所以我只是希望我能够
与你分享一些关于

在我的工作中使用清晰和神秘的见解,

也许你会如何
决定在你的生活中更清晰,

或者更清晰一些 神秘
而不是过度分享。

(笑声)

如果我在这次谈话中只留下一件事,

我希望是这样的:

Blih blih blih blah。 呸呸呸呸。
[“‘判断这个,‘奇普基德”]

Blih blih blah blah blah。
等等等等等等。

呸呸呸。

(掌声)