The art of creating awe Rob Legato

I worked on a film called Apollo 13 and

when I worked on this film I discovered

something about how our brains work and

how our brains work is that when we’re

sort of infused with either enthusiasm

or awe or fondness or whatever it

changes in alters our perception of

things it changes what we see changes

what we remember and as an experiment

because I

dauntingly create a task for myself of

recreating saturn v launch for this

particular movie because I put it out

there I felt a little nervous about it

so I need to do an experiment and bring

a group of people like this in a

projection room and plays the stock

footage and when I played the stock

footage I was simply wanted to find out

what people remembered what was memoral

about it

what should I actually try to replicate

what should I try to emulate some degree

so this is the footage that I was

showing everybody and what I discovered

is because of the nature of the footage

and the fact that we were doing this

film there was an emotion that was built

into it and our collective memories of

what what this launch meant to us and

all these various things when I showed

it and I asked immediately after the

screening was over what they thought of

it what was your memorable shots and

they changed them they were had camera

moves on them they had all kinds of

things

shots were combined and I was just

really curious I mean what the hell were

you looking at just a few minutes ago

and how come and how’d you come up with

this sort of description and what I

discovered is what I should do is not

actually replicate what they saw is

replicate what they remembered so this

is our footage of the of the launch

based on basically taking notes asking

people what they thought and then the

combination of all the different shots

and all the different things put

together create their sort of collective

consciousness of what they remembered it

looked like but not what it really

looked like so this is what we created

for Apollo 13

so literally what you’re seeing now is

the confluence of a bunch of different

people a bunch of different memories

including my own of taking a little bit

of liberty with the subject matter I

basically shot everything with short

lenses which means that you’re very

close to the action but framed it’s very

similar to the long lens shots which

gives you a sense of distance so he’s

basically was setting up something that

would remind you of something you

haven’t really quite seen before

and then I’m gonna show you exactly what

it is that you were reacting to when

you’re reacting to it

and pretend they’re clapping for me so

now what I’m in a parking lot I’ve

basically it’s a tin can and I’m

basically recreating the launch with

fire extinguishers fire that I have wax

that I threw in front of the lens to

look like ice and so basically if you

believed any of the stuff that I just

showed you what you were reacting to

what your remoting to is something

that’s a total falsehood and I found

that really kind of fascinating and in

this particular case this is the climax

of the movie and you know the the weight

of achieving it was simply take a model

throw it out of a helicopter and shoot

it and that’s simply what I did that’s

me shooting and I’m a fairly mediocre

operator so I got that nice sense of

verisimilitude of a kind of you know

following the rocket all the way down

and given that little sort of edge as

desperately trying to keep it all in

frame so then I come up to the next

thing we had a NASA consultant who was

actually an astronaut who was actually

on some of the missions of Apollo 15 and

he was there to basically double check

my science and I guess somebody thought

they needed to do that I don’t know why

but they thought they did so we were off

we’re you know he’s a he’s a hero he’s

an astronaut and we’re all sort of

excited and you know I gave myself the

liberty of saying you know some of the

shots I did didn’t really suck that bad

and so maybe maybe you know I was

feeling kind of good about it so I had

brought him in here and you need to

really a check and see what we were

doing and basically give us our a-plus

report card and so I showed him some

shots we were working on and waiting for

the reaction that you hope for it which

is what I got

so I showed him these two shots and then

he basically told me what he thought

okay

it’s what you dream about so what I got

from him is he turned to me and said you

would never ever design a rocket like

that you would never have a rocket go up

all the gantt your arms are going out

you imagine the tragedy that could

possibly happen with that you would

never ever design a rocket like that and

you’re looking at me it’s like yeah I

don’t know if you noticed but I’m the

guy out in the parking lot recreating

one of America’s finest moments with

fire extinguishers already and and I’m

not gonna argue with you you’re an

astronaut a hero and I’m from New Jersey

so I’m just gonna show you some footage

I’m just going to show you some footage

and tell me what you think and then I

did kind of get the reaction I was

hoping for so I showed him this and this

is actual footage that he was on this is

Apollo 15 this was his mission so I

showed him this and the reaction I got

was interesting so and what happened was

I mean I what I sort of in tuned and

that is that he remembered it

differently he remembered that was a

perfectly safe sort of gantry system

perfectly safe rocket launch because

he’s sitting in a rocket that has like a

hundred thousand pounds of thrust built

by the lowest bidder he was hoping it

was going to work out okay so he twisted

his memory around now Ron Howard ran

into Buzz Aldrin who was not on the

movie so he had he had no idea that we

were faking any of this footage and he

just responded as he would respond and

I’ll run this Buzz Aldrin came up to me

and said hey that launch footage I saw

some shots I’d never seen before did you

guys did what vault did you find that

stuff in and I said well no vault buzz

we you know we generated all that from

scratch and he said wow that’s pretty

good

can we use it

I think he’s a great American

so Titanic was a if you don’t know the

story doesn’t end well Jim Cameron

actually photographed the real Titanic

so he basically set up or basically

shattered the suspension of disbelief

because what he photographed was the

real thing a mere sub going down or

actually two Mir subs going down to the

real wreck and he created this very

haunting footage it’s really beautiful

and it conjures up all these at various

different emotions but he couldn’t

photograph everything and to tell the

story I had to fill in the gaps which is

now rather daunting because now I have

to recreate back to back what really

happened and I had to you know I’m the

only wanted to really blow it at that

point so this is the footage he

photographed and it was pretty moving

and pretty awe-inspiring so I’m gonna

just let it let it run so you kind of

absorb this sort of thing and I’ll

describe my sort of reactions when I was

looking at it for the very first time I

got the feeling that I wanted to

basically see it come back to life I

automatically wanted to see this this

ship this magnificent ship basically in

all its glory and conversely I want to

see it not in all its glory basically go

back to what what it looks like so I

conjured up an effect that I’ll be later

going to show you what I try to do which

is kind of the heart of the movie for me

and so that’s why I wanna do the movie

that’s why I wanted to create these sort

of things I created and I’ll show you

you know another thing that I found

interesting is what we really were

remoting to when you see when you take a

look at it so here’s the behind the

scenes a couple little shots here so

when you saw my footage you were seeing

this basically a bunch of guys flipping

a ship upside down and the little mirror

subs are actually about the size of

small footballs and shot and smoke Jim

went three miles down and I went about

three miles away from the studio and

photographed this in a garage

and so but what your remoting to or what

you’re looking at had the same feeling

the same haunting quality that Jim’s

footage had so I found it so fascinating

that our brains sort of once you believe

something’s real you transfer everything

that you feel about it this this quality

you have and it’s totally artificial

it’s totally make-believe yet it’s not

to you and I found that that was a very

interesting thing to explore and use and

it caused me to create the next effect

that I’ll show you which is this sort of

magic transition and all I was really

attempting to do is basically have the

audience cue the effect so it became a

seamless experience for them that I

wasn’t showing you my sort of

interpretation I was showing you what

you wanted to see and the very next shot

right after this

so you can see what I was doing so

basically if there’s two subs in the

same shot I shot it because where’s the

camera coming from and when Jim shot it

was only one sub because he was

photographed from another and I don’t

remember if I did this or Jim did this

I’ll give it to Jim because he could use

the pat on the back okay so now the

Titanic transition so this is what I was

referring to where I wanted to basically

magically transplant from one state of

the Titanic to the other

so I’ll just play the shot once and

where I was hoping for is it just melts

in front of you

that was the last time Titanic ever saw

daylight so um what I did is basically

had another screening room experience

where I was basically tracking where I

was looking or where we were looking and

of course you’re looking at the two

people on the on the bow of the ship and

then at some point I’m changing the

periphery of the shot I’m changing it’s

becoming the rest a trek and then I

would run it every day and then I would

find exactly the moment that I stopped

looking at them and start noticing the

rest of it and the moment my eye shifted

we just marked it to the frame the

moment my eye shifted I immediately

started to change them so now somehow

you missed where it started and where it

stopped and so I’ll just show it one

more time and is literally done by using

what our brains naturally do for us

which is which is as soon as you shift

your attention something changes then I

left the little scarf going because it

really wanted to be a ghostly shot

really wanted to feel like they were

still on the wreck essentially that’s

where they were buried forever or

something like that I just made that up

as incidentally last time I ever saw

daylight Ozar long film to work on now

you go is another interesting movie

because the movie itself is about film

illusions is about how our brain is

tricked into seeing a persistence of

vision that creates a motion picture and

one of the things that I had to do is we

Sacha Baron Cohen is very clever very

smart guy

comedian wanted to basically do an

homage to that kind of the Buster Keaton

sort of slapstick things and he wanted

his leg brace to get caught on a moving

train very dangerous very impossible to

do and particularly on our stage because

there literally is no way to actually

move this train because it’s it fits so

snugly into our set so let me show you

the scene and then I basically used the

trick that was identified by Sergei

Eisenstein which is if you have a camera

that’s moving with a moving object what

is not moving appears to be moving at

what is moving appears to be stopped so

what you’re actually seeing now is the

Train is not moving at all and what is

actually moving is the floor so this is

the shots the low that’s a little video

of what you’re looking at there which is

our little test so that’s actually what

you’re seeing and I thought it was sort

of an interesting thing because it was

part of the omage of the of the movie

itself is is coming up with this sort of

genius trick which I can’t take credit

for I’d love to but I can’t because it

was invented like in 1910 or something

like that

is I told Marty and it’s kind of one of

those mind things that it’s really hard

to really get until you actually see at

work and I said you know what I was

gonna do and he said so let me see if I

get it straight the thing with the

wheels that doesn’t move

and the thing without the wheels that

moves precisely

brings me to the next and final Marty’s

not going to see this is he this isn’t

viewed outside of the next illustration

is something that there is a like all

one shot theory it’s a very elegant way

of telling the story especially if

you’re following somebody on a journey

and that journey basically tells

something about their personality in a

very concise way and what we wanted to

do based on the shot in Goodfellas is

join the great shots ever at the Martin

Scorsese film of basically following

Henry Hill through what it feels like to

be a gangster walk going through the

Copacabana and being treated in a

special way he was the master of his of

his universe and we wanted you go to

feel the same way so we created this

shot

and we felt that if we could basically

move the camera with him we would feel

what it feels like to be this boy who is

basically the master of his universe and

his universe is the you know behind the

scenes in the bowels of this particular

train station and only he can actually

navigate through and do it this way and

we had to make him feel that this is his

normal everyday sort of life so the idea

of doing that as one shot was very

important and of course in shooting in

3d which is basically it’s a huge camera

that’s hanging off of a giant stick so

to recreate a Steadicam shot was that

was the task and make it feel kind of

like what the reaction got when you saw

the Goodfellow shot so what you’re now

gonna see is how we actually did it it’s

actually five separate sets shot at five

different times with two different boys

the one on the left is where the shot

ends and their work shot on the right is

where it takes takes over and now we

switch boys so it went from ASA

Butterfield who’s the star of the show

to his standin I wouldn’t say a stunt

double there’s a crazy rig that we built

for this and so this is and now this is

the set number three were into and then

we’re going to go into the basically the

very last moment of the shot is is

actually the Steadicam shot everything

else was shot on cranes and various

things like that

and it literally was done over five

different sets two different boys

different times and it all had to feel

like was all one shot and what was sort

of great for me was it was probably the

best reviewed shot I’ve ever worked on

and you know it’s kind of proud of it

when I was done which is which was you

should never really be proud of stuff I

guess so I was kind of proud of it I

went to a friend of mine and said you

know this is

you know kind of the best reviewed shot

ever worked on what do you think was the

reason and he said because no one knows

you had anything to do with it so all I

can say is thank you and that’s my

presentation for you

我拍摄了一部名为 Apollo 13 的电影,

当我拍摄这部电影时,我发现了

一些关于我们的大脑是

如何工作的,我们的大脑是如何工作的

我们对事物的看法

它改变了我们所看到的改变

了我们的记忆,作为一个实验,

因为我

为自己创建了一项任务,

为这部电影重新创建土星五号发射

因为我把它放在

那里我对此感到有点紧张

所以我需要 做一个实验,把

一群这样的人带到

放映室里播放

录像,当我播放

录像时,我只是想

知道人们记住了什么,什么是值得纪念

的,

我应该尝试复制什么

我应该尝试在某种程度上模仿什么,

所以这是我

向所有人展示的镜头,我发现

是因为镜头的性质

以及我们正在这样做的

事实 ilm 有一种情感

融入其中,我们集体回忆

了这次发布对我们的意义以及

所有这些不同的事情,当我展示

它时,我在

放映结束后立即询问他们

对它的看法,你难忘的镜头是什么

他们改变了他们他们有相机

移动他们有各种各样的

东西

镜头组合我只是

真的很好奇我的意思

是几分钟前你到底在看

什么以及你是怎么来的 有了

这种描述,我

发现我应该做的不是

实际复制他们所看到的,而是

复制他们所记得的,所以这

是我们发布的镜头,

基于基本上记笔记询问

人们他们的想法然后

组合 所有不同的镜头

和所有不同的东西放在

一起创造

了他们记忆中的集体意识,

而不是真实的

样子,所以 这就是我们

为阿波罗 13 号创造的,

所以从字面上看,你现在看到的是

一群不同的

人的汇合 一堆不同的记忆,

包括我自己对

主题的一点自由我

基本上用短镜头拍摄了所有东西

镜头,这意味着你非常

接近动作,但框架它

与长镜头非常相似,

让你有一种距离感,所以他

基本上是在设置一些东西,

让你想起你

以前没有真正看过的东西

然后我会准确地告诉你

,当你对它做出反应

并假装他们在为我

鼓掌时,你会做出什么样的反应 我

基本上是用灭火器重新创建发射

我有

蜡 我扔在镜头前

看起来像冰 所以基本上如果你

相信我刚刚

向你展示的任何东西 你对你的反应

远程

这完全是谎言,我发现

这真的很吸引人,在

这种特殊情况下,这是电影的高潮

,你知道

实现它的重要性只是让一个模型

把它从直升机上扔下来然后拍摄

它,这就是我所做的,那是

我在射击,我是一个相当平庸的

操作员,所以我有一种很好

的逼真感,就像你知道的那样,

一路追随火箭,

并在

拼命尝试 把一切都保持在

框架内,然后我想到下一

件事,我们有一位 NASA 顾问,他

实际上是一名宇航员,实际上

正在执行阿波罗 15 号的一些任务,

他在那里基本上是为了仔细检查

我的科学,我猜有人认为

他们需要这样做我不知道为什么

但他们认为他们这样做了所以我们离开了

我们是你知道他是一个英雄他是

一名宇航员我们都很

兴奋而且你知道我给了自己

自由 说你知道

我做的一些镜头并没有那么糟糕

,所以也许你知道我

对此感觉很好,所以我

把他带到了这里,你需要

真正检查一下,看看我们在

做什么,基本上给 给我们我们的a-plus

成绩单,所以我给他看了一些

我们正在处理的镜头,等待

你希望得到的反应,这

就是我得到的,

所以我给他看了这两个镜头,然后

他基本上告诉我他认为

还可以

这就是你的梦想所以我从他那里得到的

是他转向我说你

永远不会设计出这样的火箭

你永远不会让火箭升上

所有的甘特图你的手臂正在伸出

你想象可能发生的悲剧

发生这种情况,你

永远不会设计出这样的火箭,

你看着我就像是的,我

不知道你是否注意到,但

我是停车场里的那个人,

用灭火器重现美国最美好的时刻之一

已经,而且我

不会和你争论 你是一名

宇航员,一个英雄,我来自新泽西,

所以我只想给你看

一些镜头 我

希望如此,所以我给他看了这个,这

是他拍摄的实际镜头,这是

阿波罗 15,这是他的任务,所以我

给他看了这个,我得到的反应

很有趣,所以发生的事情是

我的意思是我有点像 调整好,

那就是他记得

不同,他记得那是

一种非常安全的龙门系统,

非常安全的火箭发射,因为

他坐在火箭上,

推力大约是十万磅,

出价最低的人制造的,他希望它

是 会好起来的,所以他

现在扭曲了他的记忆,罗恩霍华德遇到

了不在

电影中的巴兹奥尔德林,所以他不知道我们

在伪造这些镜头,他

只是回应,因为他会回应,

我' 我会运行这个 Buzz Aldrin 来找

我 我说,嘿,发射镜头,我看到了

一些我以前从未见过的镜头,

你们做了什么保险库,你在里面找到了那些

东西,我说没有保险库嗡嗡声,

我们你知道我们从头开始生成所有这些

,他说哇,这很漂亮

很好

,我们可以用它

吗? 拍摄的是

真实的东西,仅仅是一个潜艇沉没,或者

实际上是两个 Mir 潜艇沉没到了

真正的沉船中,他创造了这个非常

令人难以忘怀的镜头,它真的很漂亮

,它以各种不同的情绪让人联想到所有这些,

但他无法

拍摄所有东西并且 讲

故事我必须填补现在相当令人生畏的空白,

因为现在我必须

背靠背地重现真实

发生的事情,我必须让你知道我是

唯一想在那个时候真正把它搞砸的人,

所以 这是他拍摄的镜头

,它非常动人

,非常令人敬畏,所以我

会让它让它运行,这样你就可以

吸收这种东西,我会

描述我在看时的反应

这是我第一次

有一种感觉,我想

基本上看到它恢复生机

回到它的样子,所以我

想出了一个效果,我稍后

会向你展示我尝试做的事情,这

对我来说是电影的核心

,所以这就是为什么我想做这部

电影 为什么我想创造我创造的这些

东西,我会告诉

你我发现有趣的另一件事是

当你看到它时我们真正正在远程处理的东西,

所以这里

有一对夫妇的幕后花絮 这里有一些小镜头,所以

当你看到我的镜头时 我看到

这个基本上是一群人把

一艘船颠倒过来,小镜子

潜艇实际上大约有

小足球那么大,射击和烟雾吉姆

走了三英里,我走到

离工作室大约三英里的地方

拍摄了这张照片 车库

等等,但是你的远程处理或

你正在看的东西有同样的

感觉,就像吉姆的镜头一样令人难以忘怀,

所以我发现它是如此迷人

,以至于一旦你相信

某事是真实的,我们的大脑就会转移你的

一切感受 它是

你拥有的这种品质,它完全是

人造的,完全是虚构的,但它不

适合你,我发现这是一件非常

有趣的事情,值得探索和使用,

它让我创造了下一个效果

,我将向你展示 是这种

神奇的过渡吗?我真正

想做的只是让

观众提示效果,所以这对他们来说变成了一种

无缝的体验,

我没有向你展示我的

内在 解释我向你展示了

你想看的东西以及紧随其后的下一个

镜头,

这样你就可以看到我在做什么,

基本上如果在

同一张照片中有两个潜艇我拍摄它,因为

相机来自哪里以及吉姆拍摄它的时间

只是一个潜艇,因为他是

从另一个人那里拍的,我不

记得是我做的还是吉姆做的

指的是我想基本上

神奇地从泰坦尼克号的一种状态移植到另一种状态,

所以我只打一次镜头

,我希望它

在你面前融化,

这是泰坦尼克号的最后一次 看到了

日光,所以我所做的基本上是

有另一个放映室体验

,我基本上

是在跟踪我在看的地方或我们在看的地方

,当然你在看

船头上的两个人,

然后在 某点我正在改变

镜头的外围我正在改变它正在

变成其余的跋涉然后我

会每天运行它然后我会

准确地找到我停止

看它们的那一刻开始注意到

它的其余部分以及我的视线转移的那一刻

我们只是在我的视线转移的那一刻将它标记到框架上

我立即

开始改变它们所以现在不知何故

你错过了它开始和

停止的地方所以我会再展示

一次它实际上是通过使用

我们的大脑来完成的 自然地为我们做

这就是,一旦你转移注意力,就会发生

一些变化,然后我

让小围巾继续存在,因为它

真的想成为一个幽灵般的镜头,

真的想感觉他们

仍然在沉船中,基本上就是

他们被埋葬的地方 永远或

类似的东西我只是

顺便说一下上次我看到

日光奥扎长片现在

你去是另一部有趣的电影

因为电影本身就是关于电影

幻想的 t 我们的大脑是如何被

欺骗看到产生电影的持久性

视觉而

我必须做的一件事是我们

Sacha Baron Cohen 非常聪明非常

聪明的

喜剧演员想要基本上

向那种 巴斯特·基顿(Buster Keaton)

有点闹剧,他希望

他的腿支架被一辆移动的火车夹住,

非常危险,不可能

做到,尤其是在我们的舞台上,因为

实际上没有办法真正

移动这辆火车,因为它非常

适合我们的布景 所以让我给你看

这个场景,然后我基本上使用了

谢尔盖·爱森斯坦(Sergei Eisenstein)发现的技巧

,如果你有一个相机

,它随着一个移动的物体移动,

没有移动的东西似乎在移动,移动的

东西似乎停止了,所以

你现在实际看到的是

火车根本不动,而

实际上在移动的是地板,所以这是

低的镜头,这是

你正在看的东西的小视频,这是

o 你的小测试,所以这实际上就是

你所看到的,我认为这

是一件有趣的事情,因为它

是电影本身的一部分,正在想出

这种我无法接受的天才技巧

我很想这样做,但我不能,因为它

是在 1910 年发明的,或者

我告诉马蒂的类似的东西,这是一种在

你真正看到工作之前很难真正得到的

东西之一 我说你知道我

要做什么,他说让我看看我

能不能把它弄直 带

轮子不

动的东西和没有轮子的东西

精确地

把我带到下一个也是最后一个 马蒂

不去 看到这是他 这不是

在下一个插图之外看到

的东西 有一个类似的

全镜头理论 这是一种非常优雅

的讲述故事的方式,特别是如果

你跟随某人在旅途中,

而这段旅程基本上会告诉你

关于他们的个性 一种

非常简洁的方式,我们想要

根据 Goodfellas 中的镜头做的是

加入马丁斯科塞斯电影中的精彩镜头,基本上跟随

亨利希尔,通过科帕卡巴纳的黑帮漫步

并接受治疗 一种

特殊的方式,他是他的宇宙的主人

,我们希望你能

有同样的感觉,所以我们创造了这个

镜头

,我们觉得如果我们基本上可以

和他一起移动相机,

我们会感受到成为这个的感觉 男孩

基本上是他的宇宙的主人,

他的宇宙是你

在这个特定

火车站的幕后知道的,只有他才能真正

导航并这样做,

我们必须让他觉得这是他的

正常的日常生活,因此将

其作为一个镜头进行拍摄的想法非常

重要,当然在以 3d 拍摄时,

这基本上是一个巨大的相机

,它悬挂在一根巨大的棍子上,所以

要重新制作斯坦尼康镜头 那

就是任务,让它感觉

有点像当你看到 Goodfellow 的镜头时的反应,

所以你现在

要看到的是我们实际上是如何做到的,

实际上是五个不同的场景,在五个

不同的时间和两个不同的男孩一起拍摄

左边的那个是镜头

结束的地方,右边是他们的工作镜头

接管的地方,现在我们

换了男孩,所以它从

作为节目明星的 ASA Butterfield

变成了他的替身 我不会说特技

double 我们为此建造了一个疯狂的装备

,所以现在这

是第三组进入的场景,然后

我们将进入基本上

拍摄的最后一刻

实际上是斯坦尼康拍摄

其他一切 是在起重机

和类似的东西上拍摄

的,实际上是在五个不同

的场景中完成的 我有 一直在工作

,你知道

当我完成时它

会为此感到自豪,这就是你永远不应该为我猜想的东西感到骄傲

所以我为此感到自豪我去找我的

一个朋友说你

知道这一点

你知道最好的评论镜头

吗?你认为原因是什么?

他说,因为没有人知道

你与它有任何关系,所以我

只能说谢谢你,这就是我

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