Trevor Aaronson How this FBI strategy is actually creating USbased terrorists

The FBI is responsible
for more terrorism plots

in the United States

than any other organization.

More than al Qaeda,

more than al Shabaab,

more than the Islamic State,

more than all of them combined.

This isn’t likely how you
think about the FBI.

You probably think of FBI agents
gunning down bad guys like John Dillinger,

or arresting corrupt politicians.

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks,

the FBI became less concerned

with gangsters and
crooked elected officials.

The new target became terrorists,

and the pursuit of terrorists
has consumed the FBI.

Every year, the Bureau spends
3.3 billion dollars

on domestic counterterrorism activities.

Compare than to just 2.6 billion dollars
combined for organized crime,

financial fraud, public corruption

and all other types of traditional
criminal activity.

I’ve spent years pouring through
the case files

of terrorism prosecutions in
the United States,

and I’ve come to
the conclusion that the FBI

is much better at creating terrorists
than it is at catching terrorists.

In the 14 years since 9/11,

you can count about six real
terrorist attacks in the United States.

These include the Boston Marathon
bombings in 2013,

as well as failed attacks,

such as the time when
a man named Faisal Shahzad

tried to deliver a car bomb
to Times Square.

In those same 14 years,

the Bureau, however, has bragged

about how it’s foiled dozens
of terrorism plots.

In all, the FBI has arrested
more than 175 people

in aggressive, undercover
conterterrorism stings.

These operations, which are usually
led by an informant,

provide the means and opportunity,

and sometimes even the idea,

for mentally ill and
economically desperate people

to become what we now term terrorists.

After 9/11, the FBI was given an edict:

never again.

Never another attack on American soil.

FBI agents were told to find terrorists
before they struck.

To do this, agents recruited a network
of more than 15,000 informants nationwide,

all looking for anyone who
might be dangerous.

An informant can earn
100,000 dollars or more

for every terrorism case
they bring to the FBI.

That’s right, the FBI is paying
mostly criminals and con men

six figures to spy on communities
in the United States,

but mostly Muslim American communities.

These informants nab people like
Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif

and Walli Mujahidh.

Both are mentally ill.

Abdul-Latif had a history of huffing
gasoline and attempting suicide.

Mujahidh had schizoaffective disorder,

he had trouble distinguishing between
reality and fantasy.

In 2012, the FBI arrested these two men

for conspiring to attack a military
recruiting station outside Seattle

with weapons provided,
of course, by the FBI.

The FBI’s informant was Robert Childs,

a convicted rapist and child molester

who was paid 90,000 dollars
for his work on the case.

This isn’t an outlier.

In 2009, an FBI informant
who had fled Pakistan on murder charges

led four men in a plot to bomb
synagogues in the Bronx.

The lead defendant was James Cromitie,

a broke Walmart employee
with a history of mental problems.

And the informant had offered
him 250,000 dollars

if he participated in that plot.

There are many more examples.

Today, The Intercept
published my new story

about a counterterrorism sting in Tampa
involving Sami Osmakac,

a young man who was living
near Tampa, Florida.

Osmakac also had
schizoaffective disorder.

He too was broke,

and he had no connections to
international terrorist groups.

Nonetheless,

an FBI informant gave him a job,
handed him money,

introduced him to an undercover agent
posing as a terrorist,

and lured him in a plot
to bomb an Irish bar.

But here’s what’s interesting:

The lead undercover agent –

you can see him in this picture
with his face blurred –

would go back to the Tampa field office
with his recording equipment on.

Behind closed doors,

FBI agents admitted that what
they were doing was farcical.

A federal judge doesn’t want you
to hear about these conversations.

He sealed the transcripts and placed
them under a protective order

in an attempt to prevent someone like me
from doing something like this.

Behind closed doors, the lead agent,

the squad supervisor,

described their would-be terrorist

as a “retarded fool who didn’t have
a pot to piss in.”

They described his terrorist ambitions

as wishy-washy and
a pipe dream scenario.

But that didn’t stop the FBI.

They provided Sami Osmakac
everything he needed.

They gave him a car bomb,
they gave him an AK-47,

they helped him make a so-called
martyrdom video,

and they even gave
him money for a taxi cab

so that he could get to where
they wanted him to go.

As they were working the sting,

the squad supervisor tells his agents
he wanted a Hollywood ending.

And he got a Hollywood ending.

When Sami Osmakac attempted
to deliver what he thought

was a car bomb,

he was arrested, convicted and
sentenced to 40 years in prison.

Sami Osmakac isn’t alone.

He’s one of more than
175 so-called terrorists,

for whom the FBI has created
Hollywood endings.

U.S. government officials call this
the War on Terror.

It’s really just theater,

a national security theater,

with mentally ill men like Sami Osmakac

unwitting actors in a
carefully choreographed production

brought to you by the FBI.

Thank you.

(Applause)

Tom Rielly: So, those are some
pretty strong accusations,

pretty strong charges.

How can you back this up?

Trevor Aaronson: My research began in 2010

when I received a grant from the
Investigative Reporting Program

at U.C. Berkeley,

and a research assistant and I

put together a database
of all terrorism prosecutions

at the time during
the first decade after 9/11.

And we used the court file
to find out whether

the defendants had any connections
to international terrorist groups,

whether an informant was used,

and whether the informant
played the role of an agent provocateur

by providing the means and opportunity.

And we submitted that to the FBI

and we asked them to respond
to our database.

If they believed there were any errors,

we asked them to tell us what they were
and we’d go back and check

and they never challenged any
of our findings.

Later, I used that data
in a magazine article

and later in my book,

and on appearances on places
like CBS and NPR,

they were offered that opportunity again

to say, “Trevor Aaronson’s
findings are wrong.”

And they’ve never
come forward and said,

“These are the problems
with those findings.”

So the data has since been used
by groups like Human Rights Watch

on its recent report on
these types of sting operations.

And so far, the FBI has never
really responded

to these charges that it’s really
not catching terrorists

so much as it’s catching
mentally ill people

that it can dress up as terrorists
in these types of sting operations.

TR: So The Intercept is that new
investigative journalism website,

that’s cofounded by Glenn Greenwald.

Tell us about your article
and why there.

TA: The Intercept seemed to be
the most logical place for this

because my article is
really leveraging the fact that

a source had leaked to me
transcripts of these

private FBI conversations
that a federal judge had sealed

based on the government’s claim
that their release

would irreparably damage
the U.S. government’s

law enforcement strategy.

So a place like The Intercept
was set up to protect journalists

and publish their work

when they’re dealing with
very sensitive matters like this.

So my story in The Intercept,
which was just published today,

tells the story of how Sami Osmakac
was set up in this FBI sting

and goes into much greater detail.

In this talk, I could only
highlight the things that they said,

such as calling him a “retarded fool.”

But it was much more elaborate,

they went to great lengths
to put money in Sami Osmakac’s hands,

which he then used to purchase weapons
from the undercover agent.

When he went to trial,

the central piece of evidence
was that he paid for these weapons,

when in truth, these transcripts show
how the FBI orchestrated

someone who was essentially
mentally ill and broke

to get money to then
pay for weapons

that they could then charge him
in a conspiracy for.

TR: One final question.

Less than 10 days ago,

the FBI arrested some potential
ISIS suspects in Brooklyn,

saying that they might
be headed to Syria,

and were those real,
or examples of more of the same?

TA: Well so far, we only know
what’s come out in the court file,

but they seem to suggest it’s another
example of the same.

These types of sting operations
have moved from flavor to flavor.

So initially it was al Qaeda plots,

and now the Islamic State
is the current flavor.

What’s worth noting about that case
is that the three men that were charged

only began the plot to go to Syria

after the introduction
of the FBI informant,

and in fact, the FBI informant had helped
them with the travel documents

that they needed.

In kind of a comical turn
in that particular case,

one of the defendant’s mother
had found out

that he was interested in going to Syria
and had hid his passport.

So it’s unclear that even if he had
showed up at the airport,

that he ever could have gone anywhere.

So yes, there are people who might
be interested in joining the Islamic State

in the United States,

and those are people that the United
States government should be looking at

to see if they’re interested
in violence here.

In this particular case, given
the evidence that’s so far come out,

it suggests the FBI made
it possible for these guys

to move along in a plan to go to Syria

when they were never close
to that in the first place.

TR: Thanks a lot, that’s amazing.
TA: Thank you.

(Applause)

与其他任何组织相比,联邦调查局对美国
的恐怖主义阴谋负责

超过基地组织,

超过青年党,

超过伊斯兰国,

超过所有这些组织的总和。

这不太可能是
你对 FBI 的看法。

您可能会想到联邦调查局特工
枪杀约翰·迪林格(John Dillinger)等坏人,

或逮捕腐败的政客。

在 9/11 恐怖袭击

之后,联邦调查局对

黑帮和
歪曲民选官员的关注度降低了。

新的目标变成了恐怖分子

,对恐怖分子的追捕
已经消耗了联邦调查局。

每年,该局

在国内反恐活动上花费33亿美元。

相比之下
,有组织犯罪、

金融欺诈、公共腐败

和所有其他类型的传统
犯罪活动加起来只有 26 亿美元。

我花了数年时间翻阅美国起诉恐怖主义
的案件档案

,我得出
的结论是,联邦调查局

在制造恐怖分子方面
比在抓捕恐怖分子方面要好得多。

自 9/11 以来的 14 年里,

你可以数出美国发生的大约六起真正的
恐怖袭击事件。

其中包括 2013 年的波士顿马拉松
爆炸案,

以及失败的袭击,

例如
一名名叫 Faisal Shahzad 的男子

试图向时代广场投递汽车炸弹
。 然而,

在那同样的 14 年里

,该局

吹嘘它如何挫败了数十
起恐怖主义阴谋。

总的来说,联邦调查局已经逮捕
了超过 175 人

,这些人从事侵略性的
卧底反恐行动。

这些行动通常
由线人领导,

为精神病患者和
经济上绝望的

人成为我们现在所说的恐怖分子提供了手段和机会,有时甚至是想法。

9/11 之后,联邦调查局收到了一项法令:

再也不要了。

再也不会对美国土地发起攻击。

联邦调查局特工被告知要在恐怖分子
袭击之前找到他们。

为此,特工在
全国范围内招募了 15,000 多名线人组成的网络,

所有人都在寻找任何
可能有危险的人。

线人


向 FBI 提起的恐怖主义案件可以赚取 100,000 美元或更多。

没错,联邦调查局主要支付

六位数的费用来监视

美国的社区,但主要是美国穆斯林社区。

这些线人逮捕了
阿布·哈立德·阿卜杜勒·拉蒂夫

和瓦利·穆贾希德等人。

两人都是精神病患者。

阿卜杜勒-拉蒂夫有大口喷
汽油和企图自杀的历史。

穆贾希德患有分裂情感障碍,

他难以区分
现实和幻想。

2012 年,联邦调查局逮捕了这两名男子,罪名是用联邦调查局提供

的武器密谋袭击
西雅图郊外的一个军事招募站

联邦调查局的线人是罗伯特·柴尔兹(Robert Childs),他是

一名被定罪的强奸犯和猥亵儿童


,他因在此案中的工作而获得了 90,000 美元的报酬。

这不是异常值。

2009 年,一名
因谋杀罪逃离巴基斯坦的联邦调查局线人

带领四名男子密谋炸毁
布朗克斯区的犹太教堂。

主要被告是詹姆斯·克罗米蒂(James Cromitie),他

是一名破产的沃尔玛员工
,有精神问题的历史。

如果他参与了那个阴谋,线人已经给了
他25万美元

还有很多例子。

今天,The Intercept
发表了我

关于坦帕反恐
袭击的新故事,涉及萨米·奥斯马卡克(Sami Osmakac),

一个住
在佛罗里达州坦帕附近的年轻人。

Osmakac 也患有
分裂情感障碍。

他也破产了

,他与
国际恐怖组织没有任何联系。

尽管如此,

一名 FBI 线人给了他一份工作,
给了他钱,

把他介绍给了一个
伪装成恐怖分子的卧底特工,

并引诱他
策划轰炸一家爱尔兰酒吧。

但有趣的是

:首席卧底特工——

你可以在这张照片中看到
他的脸模糊不清——

会带着录音设备回到坦帕外地办公室

联邦调查局特工在闭门造车时

承认
他们的所作所为是荒谬的。

联邦法官不想让
你听到这些谈话。

他密封了成绩单,并将
它们置于保护令之下

,试图阻止像我
这样的人做这样的事情。

在闭门造车的情况下,主要特工

,班长,

将他们的潜在恐怖分子

描述为“
没有底池可以撒尿的迟钝的傻瓜”。

他们将他的恐怖主义野心描述


空想和白日梦。

但这并没有阻止联邦调查局。

他们为 Sami Osmakac 提供了
他需要的一切。

他们给了他一个汽车炸弹
,给了他一支AK-47,

他们帮助他制作了所谓的
殉道视频

,他们甚至给了
他一辆出租车的钱,

这样他就可以去
他们想让他去的地方。

当他们在工作时

,班长告诉他的经纪人
他想要一个好莱坞式的结局。

他得到了好莱坞式的结局。

当 Sami Osmakac
试图交付他认为

是汽车炸弹的东西时,

他被逮捕、定罪并被
判处 40 年监禁。

Sami Osmakac 并不孤单。

他是
175 多名所谓的恐怖分子之一,

联邦调查局为他们创造了
好莱坞结局。

美国政府官员
将此称为反恐战争。

这实际上只是一个剧院,

一个国家安全剧院,

像萨米·奥斯马卡克这样的精神病患者

在联邦调查局为你带来的精心编排的作品中不知情的演员。

谢谢你。

(掌声)

Tom Rielly:所以,这些都是
相当强烈的指控,

相当强烈的指控。

你怎么能支持这个?

Trevor Aaronson:我的研究始于 2010 年,

当时我获得了加州大学
调查报告项目

的资助。 伯克利分校

、一名研究助理和我

在 9/11 之后的第一个十年中建立了一个当时所有恐怖主义起诉的数据库。

我们通过法庭
档案查明

被告是否
与国际恐怖组织有任何联系,

是否使用了线人,

以及线人是否通过提供手段和机会
发挥了代理人挑衅者的作用

我们将其提交给 FBI,

并要求他们
回复我们的数据库。

如果他们认为有任何错误,

我们要求他们告诉我们它们是什么
,我们会回去检查

,他们从未质疑
我们的任何发现。

后来,我
在一篇杂志文章

和后来的书中使用了这些数据,在 CBS

和 NPR 等地方的露面时

他们再次获得

机会说:“Trevor Aaronson 的
发现是错误的。”

他们从来没有站
出来说,

“这些就是
这些发现的问题。”

因此,
人权观察等组织

在其最近关于
此类刺伤行动的报告中使用了这些数据。

到目前为止,联邦调查局从未对这些指控
做出真正的回应

,即它实际上
不是抓捕恐怖分子

,而是抓捕
精神病患者

,以至于它可以
在这些类型的刺杀行动中打扮成恐怖分子。

TR:所以 The Intercept 是一个新的
调查性新闻网站

,由 Glenn Greenwald 共同创立。

告诉我们您的文章
以及为什么会出现。

TA:拦截似乎
是最合乎逻辑的地方,

因为我的文章
确实利用了这样一个事实,

即消息来源向我泄露
了这些

私人 FBI 谈话的记录
,联邦法官

根据政府
声称释放这些谈话

将无法挽回
损害美国政府的

执法战略。

因此,设立了像 The Intercept 这样的地方
来保护记者

在他们处理
此类非常敏感的问题时发布他们的作品。

因此,我在
今天刚刚出版的 The Intercept 中

的故事讲述了 Sami Osmakac
是如何在这次 FBI 的刺痛中成立的,

并且更加详细。

在这次谈话中,我只能
强调他们所说的话,

比如称他为“迟钝的傻瓜”。

但这要复杂得多,

他们不遗余力
地将钱放在萨米·奥斯马卡奇的手中,

然后他用这些钱从卧底特工那里购买了武器

当他接受审判时

,核心证据
是他支付了这些武器的费用,

而事实上,这些成绩单显示
了联邦调查局如何精心策划了

一个本质上
患有精神疾病并破产的人,

以获取资金然后
支付

他们当时可以购买的武器 指控
他共谋。

TR:最后一个问题。

不到 10 天前

,联邦调查局在布鲁克林逮捕了一些潜在的
ISIS 嫌疑人,

称他们可能
会前往叙利亚

,这些是真实的,
还是更多相同的例子?

TA:到目前为止,我们只
知道法庭文件中的内容,

但他们似乎暗示这是另一个
相同的例子。

这些类型的刺痛操作
已经从风味转移到风味。

所以最初是基地组织的阴谋

,现在伊斯兰国
是现在的味道。

该案值得注意的
是,被起诉的三人是在FBI线人介绍

后才开始密谋前往叙利亚


而事实上,FBI线人已经帮
他们拿到了他们需要的旅行证件

在那个特定的案件中,有点滑稽的

是,被告的一位母亲

发现他有兴趣去叙利亚
并隐藏了他的护照。

所以不清楚即使他
出现在机场

,他也可以去任何地方。

所以是的,有些人可能
有兴趣加入美国的伊斯兰

国,

而这些人是
美国政府应该关注的

,看看他们是否对
这里的暴力感兴趣。

在这个特殊的案例中,
鉴于迄今为止出现的证据,

这表明联邦调查局
让这些人有可能

在他们一开始就从未
接近过叙利亚的计划中继续前进。

TR:非常感谢,这太棒了。
TA:谢谢。

(掌声)