Do kids think of sperm donors as family Veerle Provoost

What is a parent?

What is a parent?

It’s not an easy question.

Today we have adoption,

stepfamilies,

surrogate mothers.

Many parents face tough questions

and tough decisions.

Shall we tell our child
about the sperm donation?

If so, when?

What words to use?

Sperm donors are often referred
to as “biological fathers,”

but should we really
be using the word “father?”

As a philosopher and social scientist,

I have been studying these questions
about the concept of parenthood.

But today, I will talk to you
about what I learned

from talking to parents and children.

I will show you that they know
what matters most in a family,

even though their family
looks a little different.

I will show you their creative ways
of dealing with tough questions.

But I will also show you
the parents' uncertainties.

We interviewed couples

who received fertility treatment
at Ghent University Hospital,

using sperm from a donor.

In this treatment timeline,

you can see two points
at which we conducted interviews.

We included heterosexual couples,

where the man for some reason
did not have good-quality sperm,

and lesbian couples who obviously
needed to find sperm elsewhere.

We also included children.

I wanted to know

how those children define concepts
like parenthood and family.

In fact, that is what I asked them,

only not in that way.

I drew an apple tree instead.

This way, I could ask abstract,
philosophical questions

in a way that did not make them run off.

So as you can see,

the apple tree is empty.

And that illustrates my research approach.

By designing techniques like this,

I can bring as little meaning and content
as possible to the interview,

because I want to hear that from them.

I asked them:

What would your family look like
if it were an apple tree?

And they could take a paper apple
for everyone who, in their view,

was a member of the family,

write a name on it
and hang it wherever they wanted.

And I would ask questions.

Most children started
with a parent or a sibling.

One started with “Boxer,”

the dead dog of his grandparents.

At this point, none of the children
started mentioning the donor.

So, I asked them about their birth story.

I said, “Before you were born,

it was just your mom and dad,

or mom and mommy.

Can you tell me how you came
into the family?”

And they explained.

One said,

“My parents did not have good seeds,

but there are friendly men out there
who have spare seeds.

They bring them to the hospital,

and they put them in a big jar.

My mommy went there,

and she took two from the jar,

one for me and one for my sister.

She put the seeds in her belly –

somehow –

and her belly grew really big,

and there I was.”

Hmm.

So only when they started
mentioning the donor,

I asked questions about him,
using their own words.

I said,

“If this would be an apple
for the friendly man with the seeds,

what would you do with it?”

And one boy was thinking out loud,

holding the apple.

And he said,

“I won’t put this one
up there with the others.

He’s not part of my family.

But I will not put him on the ground.

That’s too cold and too hard.

I think he should be in the trunk,

because he made my family possible.

If he would not have done this,

that would really be sad
because my family would not be here,

and I would not be here.”

So also, parents
constructed family tales –

tales to tell their children.

One couple explained their insemination

by taking their children to a farm

to watch a vet inseminate cows.

And why not?

It’s their way of explaining;

their do-it-yourself
with family narratives.

DIY.

And we had another couple
who made books –

a book for each child.

They were really works of art

containing their thoughts and feelings
throughout the treatment.

They even had the hospital
parking tickets in there.

So it is DIY:

finding ways, words and images

to tell your family story to your child.

And these stories were highly diverse,

but they all had one thing in common:

it was a tale of longing for a child

and a quest for that child.

It was about how special
and how deeply loved their child was.

And research so far shows
that these children are doing fine.

They do not have
more problems than other kids.

Yet, these parents also wanted
to justify their decisions

through the tales they tell.

They hoped that their children
would understand their reasons

for making the family in this way.

Underlying was a fear
that their children might disapprove

and would reject the non-genetic parent.

And that fear is understandable,

because we live in a very heteronormative

and geneticized society –

a world that still believes

that true families consist
of one mom, one dad

and their genetically related children.

Well.

I want to tell you about a teenage boy.

He was donor-conceived
but not part of our study.

One day, he had an argument
with his father,

and he yelled,

“You’re telling me what to do?

You’re not even my father!”

That was exactly what
the parents in our study feared.

Now, the boy soon felt sorry,
and they made up.

But it is the reaction of his father
that is most interesting.

He said,

“This outburst had nothing to do
with the lack of a genetic link.

It was about puberty –

being difficult.

It’s what they do at that age.

It will pass.”

What this man shows us

is that when something goes wrong,

we should not immediately think

it is because the family
is a little different.

These things happen in all families.

And every now and then,

all parents may wonder:

Am I a good enough parent?

These parents, too.

They, above all, wanted to do
what’s best for their child.

But they also sometimes wondered:

Am I a real parent?

And their uncertainties were present
long before they even were parents.

At the start of treatment,

when they first saw the counselor,

they paid close attention
to the counselor,

because they wanted to do it right.

Even 10 years later,

they still remember
the advice they were given.

So when they thought about the counselor

and the advice they were given,

we discussed that.

And we saw one lesbian couple who said,

“When our son asks us,

‘Do I have a dad?’

we will say ‘No, you do not have a dad.’

But we will say nothing more,
not unless he asks,

because he might not be ready for that.

The counselor said so.”

Well.

I don’t know; that’s quite different

from how we respond
to children’s questions.

Like, “Milk – is that made in a factory?”

We will say, “No, it comes from cows,”

and we will talk about the farmer,

and the way the milk ends up in the shop.

We will not say,

“No, milk is not made in a factory.”

So something strange happened here,

and of course these children noticed that.

One boy said,

“I asked my parents loads of questions,

but they acted really weird.

So, you know, I have a friend at school,
and she’s made in the same way.

When I have a question,
I just go and ask her.”

Clever guy.

Problem solved.

But his parents did not notice,

and it certainly was not
what they had in mind,

nor what the counselor had in mind

when they were saying how important
it is to be an open-communication family.

And that’s the strange thing about advice.

When we offer people pills,
we gather evidence first.

We do tests,

we do follow-up studies.

We want to know, and rightly so,
what this pill is doing

and how it affects people’s lives.

And advice?

It is not enough for advice,

or for professionals to give advice
that is theoretically sound,

or well-meant.

It should be advice
that there is evidence for –

evidence that it actually
improves patients' lives.

So the philosopher in me
would now like to offer you a paradox:

I advise you to stop following advice.

But, yes.

(Applause)

I will not end here with what went wrong;

I would not be doing justice
to the warmth we found in those families.

Remember the books
and the trip to the farmer?

When parents do things that work for them,

they do brilliant things.

What I want you to remember
as members of families,

in no matter what form or shape,

is that what families need
are warm relationships.

And we do not need to be
professionals to create those.

Most of us do just fine,

although it may be hard work,

and from time to time,
we can do with some advice.

In that case,

bear in mind three things.

Work with advice
that works for your family.

Remember – you’re the expert,
because you live your family life.

And finally,

believe in your abilities
and your creativity,

because you can do it yourself.

Thank you.

(Applause)

什么是父母?

什么是父母?

这不是一个简单的问题。

今天,我们有收养、

继家庭、

代孕母亲。

许多父母面临棘手的问题

和艰难的决定。

我们应该告诉我们的孩子
关于精子捐赠的事情吗?

如果有,什么时候?

用什么词?

精子捐赠者通常
被称为“亲生父亲”,

但我们真的
应该使用“父亲”这个词吗?

作为一名哲学家和社会科学家,

我一直在研究这些
关于父母身份的问题。

但是今天,我要和大家
谈谈我

从与父母和孩子的谈话中学到的东西。

我会告诉你,他们
知道在一个家庭中最重要的是什么,

即使他们的家庭
看起来有点不同。

我将向您展示他们
处理棘手问题的创造性方法。

但我也会向你展示
父母的不确定性。

我们采访了使用捐赠

者的精子在根特大学医院接受生育治疗的夫妇

在这个治疗时间表中,

您可以看到
我们进行采访的两个点。

我们包括异性恋夫妇,

其中男性出于某种原因
没有优质精子,

而女同性恋夫妇显然
需要在其他地方寻找精子。

我们还包括儿童。

我想

知道那些孩子是如何定义
父母身份和家庭等概念的。

事实上,这就是我问他们的,

只是不是那样。

我画了一棵苹果树。

通过这种方式,我可以提出抽象的、
哲学的

问题,而不会让它们跑掉。

如您所见

,苹果树是空的。

这说明了我的研究方法。

通过设计这样的技巧,

我可以为采访带来尽可能少的意义和内容

因为我想从他们那里听到这些。

我问他们:

如果是一棵苹果树,你家会是什么样子?

他们可以
为每个在他们看来

是家庭成员的人拿一个纸苹果,在上面

写上名字,
然后把它挂在他们想挂的地方。

我会问问题。

大多数孩子
从父母或兄弟姐妹开始。

一个从他祖父母的死狗“拳击手”开始

在这一点上,没有一个孩子
开始提到捐赠者。

所以,我向他们询问了他们的出生故事。

我说:“在你出生之前

,只有你爸爸妈妈,

或者妈妈和妈妈。

你能告诉我你是怎么
进入这个家庭的吗?”

他们解释了。

一个人说:

“我父母没有好种子,

但是那里有一些友善的
人有多余的种子。

他们把它们带到医院

,他们把它们放在一个大罐子里。

我妈妈去了那里

,她从那里拿了两个。 罐子,

一个给我,一个给我姐姐。

她把种子放在她的肚子里——

不知何故

——她的肚子变大了

,我就在那里。”

唔。

所以只有当他们开始
提到捐赠者时,

我才
用他们自己的话询问有关他的问题。

我说:

“如果这是
给有种子的友好男人的苹果,

你会用它做什么?”

一个男孩

拿着苹果大声思考。

他说:

“我不会把
这个和其他的放在一起。

他不是我家的一员。

但我不会把他放在地上。

那太冷太硬了。

我认为他应该在后备箱里 ,

因为他让我的家人成为可能。

如果他不这样做,

那真的会很伤心,
因为我的家人不会在这里

,我也不会在这里。”

同样,父母也编造
了家庭故事——

故事来告诉他们的孩子。

一对夫妇

通过带孩子去

农场观看兽医为奶牛授精来解释他们的授精过程。

那么为何不?

这是他们的解释方式;

他们自己动手
做家庭故事。

DIY。

我们还有另外一
对制作书籍的夫妇——

为每个孩子准备一本书。

他们真的是艺术品

,在整个治疗过程中都包含了他们的思想和感受

他们甚至
在那里有医院的停车票。

所以它是 DIY:

寻找方法、文字和图像

向您的孩子讲述您的家庭故事。

这些故事千差万别,

但都有一个共同点:

这是一个对孩子的渴望和

对孩子的追求的故事。

这是关于
他们的孩子有多么特别和多么深爱。

迄今为止的研究表明
,这些孩子做得很好。

他们没有
比其他孩子更多的问题。

然而,这些父母也想通过他们讲述的故事
来证明他们的决定是正确的

他们希望他们的孩子
能够理解他们

以这种方式组建家庭的原因。

潜在的恐惧
是他们的孩子可能不赞成

并拒绝非遗传父母。

这种恐惧是可以理解的,

因为我们生活在一个非常异性恋

和基因化的社会——

这个世界仍然

相信真正的家庭
由一个妈妈、一个爸爸

和他们的基因相关的孩子组成。

好。

我想告诉你一个十几岁的男孩。

他是捐赠者受孕的,
但不是我们研究的一部分。

有一天,他和父亲发生了争执

,他吼道:

“你告诉我该怎么做?

你连我父亲都不是!”

这正是
我们研究中的父母所担心的。

现在,男孩很快就后悔了
,他们和好如初。


最有趣的是他父亲的反应。

他说:

“这种爆发
与缺乏遗传联系无关。

它与青春期有关 -

很困难。

这是他们在那个年龄所做的。

它会过去的。”

这个男人告诉我们的

是,当出现问题时,

我们不应该立即

认为是因为
家庭有点不同。

这些事情发生在所有家庭。

时不时地,

所有的父母都可能会想:

我是一个足够好的父母吗?

这些父母也是。

最重要的是,他们想
为孩子做最好的事情。

但他们有时也想知道:

我是真正的父母吗?

他们的不确定性
早在他们成为父母之前就已经存在。

在开始治疗时,

当他们第一次见到辅导员时,

他们密切
关注辅导员,

因为他们想把它做好。

即使 10 年后,

他们仍然记得
给他们的建议。

所以当他们想到辅导员

和他们得到的建议时,

我们讨论了这个问题。

我们看到一对女同性恋夫妇说,

“当我们的儿子问我们,

‘我有爸爸吗?’

我们会说“不,你没有爸爸”。

但我们不会再说什么,
除非他问,

因为他可能还没有准备好

。辅导员是这么说的。”

好。

我不知道; 这

与我们
回答孩子问题的方式完全不同。

比如,“牛奶——是工厂生产的吗?”

我们会说,“不,它来自奶牛”

,我们会谈论农民,

以及牛奶最终进入商店的方式。

我们不会说,

“不,牛奶不是工厂生产的。”

所以这里发生了一些奇怪的事情

,这些孩子当然注意到了。

一个男孩说:

“我问了我父母很多问题,

但他们表现得很奇怪。

所以,你知道,我在学校有一个朋友
,她也是这样的。

当我有问题时,
我就去问 她。”

聪明的家伙。

问题解决了。

但是他的父母并没有注意到

,这当然不是
他们的想法,

也不是辅导员

在他们说
成为一个开放沟通的家庭有多重要时的想法。

这就是建议的奇怪之处。

当我们向人们提供药丸时,
我们首先收集证据。

我们做测试,

我们做后续研究。

我们想知道
这种药丸正在做什么

以及它如何影响人们的生活,这是正确的。

和建议?

仅仅提供建议

或专业人士提供
理论上合理

或善意的建议是不够的。

应该是
有证据的建议——有

证据表明它实际上
改善了患者的生活。

所以我内心的哲学家
现在想给你一个悖论:

我建议你停止听从建议。

但是,是的。

(掌声)

我不会以错误的方式结束;

我不会公正
对待我们在这些家庭中发现的温暖。

还记得书
和农民之旅吗?

当父母做对他们

有用的事情时,他们会做一些很棒的事情。

作为家庭成员

,无论形式或形式如何

,我希望你们记住的是,家庭需要的
是温暖的关系。

我们不需要成为
专业人士来创造这些。

我们大多数人都做得很好,

尽管这可能很辛苦,

而且有时
我们可以接受一些建议。

在这种情况下,请

记住三件事。

使用
适合您家庭的建议。

记住——你是专家,
因为你过着你的家庭生活。

最后,

相信你的能力
和创造力,

因为你可以自己做。

谢谢你。

(掌声)