Hauntings Histories Campfire Tales What Ghost Stories Tell Us

Transcriber: May Stolze
Reviewer: Eunice Tan

Fifteen years ago,
I was doing my graduate research

on the lynching of Mexicans
and Latin Americans

in Gold Rush, California,

and I was having a very hard time finding
the evidence I needed to make my claim.

I don’t know how much
you know about lynching,

but they are by definition

public executions that happen
off the official record.

These deaths aren’t technically
sanctioned by the state,

and often towns and communities
would deny they even happened,

which made it harder
to prove that they did.

Still, even when the official record
refused an act of violence,

local lore often served
as an alternative archive,

a different way of recording history.

A ghost story about someone being killed
and coming back to haunt the town

was an important arrow,

a sign to look more deeply
into the history of a place.

Very often, if local legend
featured a story

about a ghost who had been hung
or murdered or lynched

and came back to haunt the town,

digging through the archive -
newspapers, letters, diaries -

would reveal that the event
or something like it

had actually happened.

So the ghost story was one way

that communities were holding
the violent history of a place,

passing down this story
from generation to generation.

Now, I don’t know if an actual ghost
was haunting any of these places,

but their history certainly was.

And this is pretty much my stance on it:

It doesn’t matter
whether or not a ghost is real;

the ghost story is.

And the fact that we maybe, kind of,
sort of believe a ghost might be real

is significant, and we should
pay attention to it.

I’m not the only one
who thinks this, by the way.

There is a whole field
of interdisciplinary research

called spectrality studies,

which is proof that academics
will think of anything.

So this idea was transformative for me
and not just in my research.

For most of my life,
I was terrified of ghosts.

I didn’t even want to hear a ghost story

because I didn’t want to entertain
the possibility that a ghost might exist.

And why not?

In popular culture, ghosts are portrayed
as mean, vengeful, destructive forces.

They’re terrifying at worst
and unsettling at best -

unexpected presences who show up

and demand your emotional
attention at any cost.

We are taught to be afraid of dying
and death and of the dead.

But when I stopped worrying about ghosts
and started worrying about ghost stories,

I found myself in a new relationship
with the world around me.

In addition to being a historian,
I’m also a performance maker.

And about five years ago,

I had the great honor of working
with Free Street Theater in Chicago

to create a performance
called “100 Hauntings.”

To make this performance,

we asked hundreds
and hundreds of Chicagoans

if they’d ever encountered a ghost.

We were interested in what I call
“ordinary ghost stories.”

So not the kinds of ghosts

who show up in urban legends
around a city’s ghost tour,

but the kind of ghost people say
they’ve just found in the bathroom,

right after signing the lease
on a new apartment.

Following my research,

we were interested in what
these ghosts might tell us

about Chicago’s hidden history,

but we were also interested
in the ghost story as a form.

Like no other kind of storytelling,

ghost stories ask us to gather round,
lean in and thrill at the possibility

that some very scary,
very chilling thing actually happened,

while at the same time being sure,
so sure, that it didn’t.

Right? Right?

I have found that almost everyone
has a ghost story.

Even people who say they don’t believe
in ghosts usually have a “Well …” story

about something they’re sure
has a rational explanation,

even if they’re not quite sure what it is.

And this not knowing
has left them unsettled,

with a feeling they can’t quite explain.

And this is what I love
about ghost stories,

how so often they get right to feeling.

Underneath the fun and chill of it

are complex relationships with life,
with death and with each other.

Whenever anyone asks me

and whenever anyone
tells me a ghost story,

I ask them two questions.

First, “What do you think
this ghost wanted?”

And second,

because most people are ambivalent about
whether or not the ghost actually exists,

I ask, “What is it
that you want from the ghost?”

The first question
is pretty easy to answer.

I have found that most ghosts
fall into one of three categories

and what they all want
is pretty much the same:

to be acknowledged.

The first type of ghost
is the kind I started studying.

These are “the furious returned” -

ghosts who have met a terrible end,

and they want us,
the living, to remember it.

These are your victims
of a great injustice.

Murders, most often,

but also things like factory fires
and mysterious deaths in jail.

I’ll give you an example.

Once, in a story circle
for our show “100 Hauntings,”

a man told us a story
about going as a teenager

to break into an abandoned mental hospital
on the northwest side of the city.

Now, we’d never heard
of this mental hospital,

and honestly, it sounded like any

“Teenagers breaking into a mental
hospital” story you’ve ever heard:

a wheelchair mysteriously following them,
doors slamming shut, creepy laughter.

But remember, these kinds of stories
can be important arrows,

so we followed up.

And sure enough,

multiple city records show
that there was a poor farm, an alms house,

on the northwest side of the city,

which later became one of the largest
carceral mental hospitals

in the United States.

It was the kind of place where people,
mostly poor people and immigrants,

were locked up for decades,
often against their will.

It was also the kind of place
where when they died,

they were usually buried
in the back in an unmarked grave.

The Chicago Tribune reports

that as many as 38,000
unmarked graves are in the back.

And when the land
was finally sold to developers,

they had to stop one of the projects

because there were as much
as three feet of bones blocking their way.

Now, this is a really significant
piece of Chicago history,

but I’d argue it’s not well known.

Most people who live here
don’t know anything about it,

but the ghost story asks us to remember.

The second kind of ghost story
is probably the most common.

We’ll call them
the “leave me alone” ghost.

This is the kind of ghost
who just wants us, the living, to get out.

Usually people
experience this as bad energy

or a creepy, unwelcome feeling
in some parts of the house,

and people usually imagine
that this is a former resident

who’s not happy
that new people have moved in.

What’s interesting to me
about this kind of ghost story

is that you find it most often
in appropriated spaces -

think gentrifying neighborhoods

or the old “built on a sacred
burial ground” trope.

And here’s where I want to remind you

that it doesn’t matter
whether or not the ghost is real.

The ghost story is.

So maybe there really is a ghost
who’s trying to push us out,

or maybe there’s some part
of our unconscious

that’s grappling with whether or not
we have a right to be here,

whether or not we really belong.

Sure, we live here now. But should we?

What happened to the people
who came before?

The third kind of ghost is my favorite.

I’ll call them “are still with us.”

These are your beloved grandparents,

a child still playing with a ball
up and down a hallway,

the elevator operator
still showing up to work.

Sometimes these ghosts
are strangers to us.

They’re not people we used to know,

but they’re not bothering us
or meaning us any harm.

They’re just kind of there.

I’ll give you an example.

Many people believe that the building
where my theater is located is haunted.

I’ve not experienced this myself,

but I can’t tell you how many people

have described seeing
exactly half a man sitting in our lobby.

He doesn’t interact with us
or disturb us in any way.

He’s just there.

Sometimes, though,
these ghosts are more active.

I’ve heard many stories from people

who thought their child
had an imaginary friend

until suddenly their child
knew how to play chess

or was singing songs
in a totally different language.

And here’s where these stories
get really emotional.

Often people are convinced

that this is some family member returned,
sent, coming to watch over them.

One woman told me a story
about her husband coming to visit

on a day when she was so sad
she didn’t know what else to do but cry.

Another woman told me she was sure

that a faucet turning on and off
in her bathroom was her sister

because it was so like the pranks
her sister used to play

when she was alive.

I love these kinds of stories

because they show us
how much we want to connect,

not just with the living
but with the dead.

Asking people for their ghost stories
can be bone-chilling fun,

but it also gets
at really intimate questions.

How do we feel about death?

What are we afraid of?

Who did we love so much
that we want them desperately to return?

How do we want to be remembered?

What do we wish we could change?

What and who is haunting us?

Despite what horror movies
and campfire tales would have us believe,

most ghost stories reveal a deep longing:

a longing for adventure, for meaning,
for connection, for a beyond,

a longing not to be forgotten
and a longing not to forget.

We’re living in a time
that feels exceptionally hard.

We’re divided from
one another by politics,

and the reality of a global pandemic

means that many of us have been away
from the people and places we love most.

So many of us are mourning
untimely deaths,

and grief is all around us.

Unfortunately, I don’t think we’re always
very good at grappling with loss

or talking about death

or talking about the way that our history
is still living in the present.

Ghost stories can be scary,

but so is being vulnerable,
so is any unknown.

So the next time you’re trying
to figure out a way to connect

and you’re not sure what to do,
let me offer this:

Try asking someone for a ghost story.

It’s sure to start a conversation.

Yeah, maybe they’ll laugh at you.

Maybe they’ll turn it back on you.

Maybe they’ll tell you a story

that makes the hair on the back
of your neck stand on end.

Maybe they’ll tell you
a story that makes you cry.

And maybe, if you’re really lucky,
they’ll tell you a story

that makes you wonder
what else you don’t know about a place,

about a history, about a people,
about each other and about yourself.

Don’t forget to ask:

What did the ghost want?

And more important,
what do you want from the ghost?

抄写员:May Stolze
审稿人:Eunice Tan

15 年前,
我在加州淘金热进行

关于墨西哥人和拉丁美洲人私刑的研究生研究

,当时我很难找到
我需要的证据来提出我的主张。

我不
知道你对私刑了解多少,

但根据定义,它们是

在官方记录之外发生的公开处决。

这些死亡在技术上并没有
得到国家的批准,

而且城镇和社区通常
会否认它们甚至发生过,

这使得证明它们确实发生了变得更加困难

尽管如此,即使官方记录
拒绝暴力行为,

当地的传说也经常
作为替代档案,

一种记录历史的不同方式。

一个关于某人被杀
并回来困扰小镇的鬼故事

是一个重要的箭头,

一个更深入地
了解一个地方的历史的标志。

很多时候,如果当地的传说

讲述了一个关于
被绞死、被谋杀或私刑处死的鬼魂的故事,

然后回到城里出没,

翻阅档案——
报纸、信件、日记——

会发现这个事件
或类似的东西

实际上已经发生了 发生了。

因此,鬼故事是

社区
掌握一个地方暴力历史的一种方式,

将这个故事
代代相传。

现在,我不知道这些地方是否有真正的
鬼魂出没,

但它们的历史确实如此。

这几乎就是我的立场:

鬼是否真实并不重要;

鬼故事是。

我们可能,有点,
有点相信鬼可能是真实的这一事实

很重要,我们应该
注意它。

顺便说一句,我不是唯一一个这么想的人。

有一个称为光谱研究
的跨学科研究的整个领域

这证明学者
会想到任何事情。

所以这个想法对我来说是变革性的
,而不仅仅是在我的研究中。

在我一生的大部分时间里,
我都害怕鬼魂。

我什至不想听鬼故事,

因为我不想接受
鬼可能存在的可能性。

那么为何不?

在流行文化中,鬼魂被描绘
成卑鄙、复仇、破坏性的力量。

他们在最坏的情况下是可怕的,
在最好的

情况下是令人不安的——意想不到的出现

,不惜一切代价要求你的情感
关注。

我们被教导要害怕死亡
、死亡和死者。

但是当我不再担心鬼
,开始担心鬼故事时,

我发现自己与周围的世界有了新的关系

除了是一名历史学家,
我还是一名表演者。

大约五年前,

我有幸
与芝加哥自由街剧院

合作创作了一场
名为“100 Hauntings”的表演。

为了进行这场表演,

我们询问了
成百上千的芝加哥人

是否遇到过鬼魂。

我们对我所说的
“普通鬼故事”很感兴趣。

所以不是

出现在城市幽灵之旅中的城市传说中

的那种鬼,而是人们说
他们刚刚在浴室里发现的那种鬼,

就在签下新公寓的租约后

经过我的研究,

我们对
这些鬼魂可能告诉

我们芝加哥隐藏的历史

感兴趣,但我们也
对鬼故事作为一种形式感兴趣。

与其他任何讲故事的故事不同,

鬼故事要求我们聚集在一起,靠在身边,为

某些非常可怕、
非常令人不寒而栗的事情真的发生的可能性而激动,

同时又确信,
如此肯定,它没有发生。

对? 对?

我发现几乎每个人
都有一个鬼故事。

即使是那些说他们不
相信鬼魂的人,通常

也会对他们确信
有合理解释的事情有一个“嗯……”的故事,

即使他们不太确定那是什么。

而这种不
知道让他们不安,

有一种他们无法解释的感觉。

这就是我
喜欢鬼故事的地方,

他们经常有正确的感觉。

在它的乐趣和寒冷之下

是与生命、死亡和彼此之间的复杂关系

每当有人问我

,每当有人
告诉我鬼故事时,

我都会问他们两个问题。

首先,“你认为
这个鬼想要什么?”

其次,

由于大多数人
对鬼是否真的存在感到矛盾,

所以我问:“
你想从鬼那里得到什么?”

第一个问题
很容易回答。

我发现大多数鬼
都属于三类之一

,他们想要
的几乎都是一样的

:被承认。

第一种鬼
是我开始研究的那种。

这些是“愤怒的回归者”——

遭遇了可怕结局的鬼魂

,他们希望我们
这些活着的人记住它。

这些是你
的巨大不公正的受害者。

谋杀,最常见的是,

还有工厂火灾
和监狱中神秘的死亡事件。

我给你举个例子。

有一次,在
我们的节目“100 Hauntings”的故事圈里,

一个男人给我们
讲了一个十几岁时

闯入
城市西北边废弃精神病院的故事。

现在,我们从来没有听说
过这家精神病院

,老实说,这听起来就像你听过的任何

“青少年闯入
精神病院”的故事:

一辆轮椅神秘地跟着他们,
门砰地关上,令人毛骨悚然的笑声。

但请记住,这些故事
可能是重要的箭头,

所以我们跟进了。

果然,

多处城市记录显示
,在城市的西北侧有一座贫民农场,一座救济院

,后来成为美国最大的
精神病院

之一。

在这种地方,人们,
主要是穷人和移民,

被关押了几十年,而且
常常违背他们的意愿。

这也是
他们死后

通常被埋
在后面一个没有标记的坟墓的地方。

芝加哥论坛报报道

说,多达 38,000 个
无标记的坟墓在后面。


土地最终卖给开发商时,

他们不得不停止其中一个项目,

因为有
多达三英尺的骨头挡住了他们的去路。

现在,这
是芝加哥历史上非常重要的一段,

但我认为它并不为人所知。

大多数住在这里的
人对此一无所知,

但鬼故事要求我们记住。

第二种鬼
故事可能是最常见的。

我们称他们
为“别管我”的幽灵。

这是那种
只希望我们活人离开的鬼魂。

通常人们会在房子的某些地方
体验到这种糟糕的能量

或令人毛骨悚然、不受欢迎的感觉

,人们通常会想象
这是一个

对新人搬进来不高兴的前居民。这种鬼故事

对我来说有什么有趣的地方

是你最常
在适当的空间找到它 -

想想高档社区

或旧的“建在神圣的
墓地”的比喻。

在这里我想提醒你


鬼是否真实并不重要。

鬼故事是。

所以也许真的有一个
鬼魂试图把我们赶出去,

或者我们潜意识的某些部分

正在努力解决
我们是否有权在这里,

我们是否真的属于这里。

当然,我们现在住在这里。 但我们应该吗? 之前

来的人怎么了

第三种鬼是我最喜欢的。

我会称他们为“还在我们身边”。

这些是你心爱的祖父母,

一个还在走廊里上下玩球的孩子

,电梯操作员
还在上班。

有时这些鬼魂
对我们来说是陌生的。

他们不是我们过去认识的人,

但他们并没有
打扰我们或对我们造成任何伤害。

他们只是在那里。

我给你举个例子。

很多人认为
我的剧院所在的大楼闹鬼。

我自己没有经历过这种情况,

但我无法告诉你有多少

人描述过看到
半个男人坐在我们的大厅里。

他不会与我们互动
或以任何方式打扰我们。

他就在那里。

不过,有时
这些鬼魂会更加活跃。

我听过很多人的故事,

他们认为他们的孩子
有一个想象中的朋友,

直到突然他们的孩子
知道如何下棋


用完全不同的语言唱歌。

这就是这些
故事真正动人的地方。

人们常常

相信这是某个家庭成员回来、
派来、来照看他们。

一位女士给我讲了一个
故事,她的丈夫

有一天会来探望她,当时她很难过
,除了哭,不知道还能做什么。

另一位女士告诉我,她

确信浴室里开关的水龙头
是她姐姐,

因为这很像
她姐姐生前经常玩

的恶作剧。

我喜欢这类故事,

因为它们向我们展示了
我们多么想联系,

不仅与生者联系,
还与死者联系。

向人们询问他们的鬼故事
可能会令人毛骨悚然,

但它也会
涉及到非常私密的问题。

我们如何看待死亡?

我们在害怕什么?

我们如此爱谁
,以至于我们拼命地希望他们回来?

我们希望如何被记住?

我们希望我们能改变什么?

什么和谁在困扰着我们?

尽管恐怖电影
和篝火故事会让我们相信,但

大多数鬼故事都揭示了一种深深的渴望:

对冒险、对意义、
对联系、对超越、

对不被遗忘
的渴望和对不被遗忘的渴望。

我们生活在一个
感觉异常艰难的时代。

我们
因政治

而彼此分裂,全球大流行的现实

意味着我们中的许多人已经
远离我们最爱的人和地方。

我们中的许多人都在哀悼
英年早逝

,悲伤就在我们身边。

不幸的是,我认为我们并不总是
非常擅长应对损失

或谈论死亡

或谈论我们的历史
仍然存在于现在的方式。

鬼故事可能很可怕,

但脆弱
也是如此,任何未知也是如此。

因此,下次当您
试图找出一种联系方式

但不确定该怎么做时,
让我提供这个:

尝试向某人询问鬼故事。

肯定会开始对话。

是的,也许他们会嘲笑你。

也许他们会反抗你。

也许他们会告诉你一个

让你脖子后面的头发竖起来
的故事。

也许他们会告诉你
一个让你哭的故事。

也许,如果你真的很幸运,
他们会告诉你一个故事

,让你想
知道关于一个地方

、一段历史、一个人、
关于彼此和你自己,还有什么你不知道的。

别忘了问:

鬼想要什么?

更重要的是,
你想从鬼那里得到什么?