Food and the Fundamentals of Storytelling

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when i started off

um on on television or in the food media

you know people would watch food videos

for information

right recipes for information you’d

watch those food videos for information

and and and you would just take that

information back

cook that food and you’d say hey you

know what i cooked this today

and there were these packets of

information floating around you could

in today’s world you definitely can

choose your packet of information and

and just go for it i sort of believed in

the city i come from

food is not information at all you know

i come from the city of lucknow where

food is not

information in fact uh calling it a

recipe

or calling it at the face value calling

it out at the face value is actually

insulting food you know

uh you cannot have food without stories

you cannot have food without

a deeper connect you cannot cook food

without a deeper connect

and so i was initially i felt

like a misfit i felt like a uh

like you know um i always wanted to take

the long

way out in this world of short form

content where recipes would like finish

in a minute you know

i was trying to create stories

uh for 16 17 minutes

and and and the only thing that i had

was

belief in the power of storytelling

especially in context to cuisine

and i think that’s what came through and

and uh

today if you see uh uh the uh

the the limited success of my youtube

channel

you know you would realize that

uh you know we’ve broken uh the

three to five minute food video format

and stretched it to

17 18 minutes and that’s fortunately

happened across

uh other channels as well so i you know

we take great pride in sort of

allowing uh food to shine for longer

again i think the learnings typically

were uh

that you know for all of us uh food

once you treat it as an information you

know there’s really not much you can do

but once you treat it as

an inspiration once you treat it as

something that you can connect to

at a much deeper level once you treat it

as a medium that has

the power to touch move and inspire then

you realize that

because people can’t eat your food you

know the best way would have been to

for them to eat your food and the

touching moving inspiring would have

happened they would have just said

i’m gonna i’m gonna go cook it now how

do you create that connect

how do you create that connect uh to

your food and that happens through

storytelling

that happens through um

through getting people to go

inwards and find their own connect with

what you are

cooking because when uh

when they go out there the necessary

objective might not be

that they want to cook it the objective

might also be or the end result might

also be that they’d want to

go someplace and eat it which is just

fine you know or

they’d want somebody at their home to

make it which is also just fine

the objective is that conversations are

bigger are way way way bigger than

um than a few plates of food

right conversations last longer

than a few plates of food and especially

in our

uh context in the indian context when

we’ve

all gotten stories that have passed

down generation to generation just by

word of mouth

we uh you know

there’s no reason why we should not

believe in the power and the

perenniality

of storytelling in our country and uh

you know the funny thing is most of

these food stories have also passed down

a generation by generation by word of

mouth

and once you realize that that hey you

know the food will finish

i consume it it’s over what’s left is

conversation

right i was speaking uh with his

holiness

what uh was said uh struck me

you know um in india we we

eat everything thrives you know we wake

up in the morning and we

tell ourselves the story we we we create

an anticipation of what we’re going to

eat you know

you wake up in the morning and say today

i want to have you know

i want to have that paratha which is

cooked that way just like i had there

you’re telling yourself the story

building uh the anticipation

when you’re consuming that food then

you’re telling yourself the story that

you want to tell

because you just don’t eat right you

you also have to tell a story you also

have to have a conversation

around what you ate so and then

you tell your story again when you meet

friends in the evening saying you know

what

i had this amazing breakfast at this

amazing place and that is how we are and

that is how we are

as a culture we cannot isolate

food and storytelling because food is a

story

that we tell ourselves every moment you

know every meal

is three stories and that is what i

strongly believe in

in the content space or in the

television space and

um and that’s why i i believe

uh that that in in the food space

you know the unspoken the unsaid or as

they say the pauses

have more power than the projections

you know what you’re saying is powerful

but the pauses have more power

and that’s what we are trying to change

we are trying to create space for those

pauses because

that’s when it hits you that’s when you

go back that’s when you internalize

the basis of storytelling is curiosity

right we’re all we’re all curious

uh um curious human beings

or hum sub uh we are looking for stories

and gossip to sort of satisfy that

curiosity

it is what the stories do to us

you know that is is the beauty of it

do they touch move and inspire us or is

just

a fleeting thought that sort of passed

by

and for me i think it’s really really

important that we believe

that food is an art form we believe that

food is the only art form

which you can actually consume which

becomes a

part of you you know uh

every they say right we are

all made of food we are all just food

and that is why um if you’re having

a food and a connect with that food

whether it is a story you heard

somewhere

whether it is um a memory that is stuck

with it

or whether it is that moment that got

created for you

you’re also consuming that moment

and that moment then becomes a part of

your subconscious

forever you know food is the body and

food stories are are the subconscious

you know

and that’s how assimilation happens

that’s how

our growth happens and it’s not just

physical growth like i said it’s also

the subconscious growth so while food

gives us physical growth

the stories along with food they just

get stacked and give us that

subconscious subconscious growth as well

and i think that’s very important and

that’s what we’ve believed in

uh as as as a team and that’s what

um a lot of us chefs now believe in um

i you know when i was i’ll give you a

small example of when i was

learning you know i used to be extremely

extremely extremely frustrated because

learning is a slow process and

especially if you’re learning from those

old masters

they will treat you the old slow way

which can often be painful for

youngsters

and and i used to i used to

sort of get angry and upset and one day

um

one day munir star the the the

gentleman that i learned from he said

what happened

um i said yeah nothing i said okay i get

where you’re coming from

let me tell you a story and then he told

me a story of how

a cook came to the nawabs

palace and he said i have i will feed

you something after a year

but you to give me 365 gold coins

one gold coin every day and you have to

be

right here sitting under this so there

was a

uh there was a dead tree you know just a

stump

a dead tree in the courtyard he said you

have to sit

under this dead tree at uh three o’clock

exactly at three o’clock in the

afternoon and have what i will cook for

you

and the nawabs uh were curious

so uh they they decided to

he decided to give him uh a gold coin

every day

and after a year uh the cook

placed and

he placed that bowl under a tree the

same stump

and then uh what what uh

uh he waited for the nawab it was

way beyond the time that was agreed uh

the nawab came and the cook said

well don’t come here you’re late and he

threw the dal on to the

the dead tree the stump of the dead tree

then got really angry for two reasons

one

is you took a a year and one gold coin

every day

only uh to give me a dal

right and um

two how dare you throw it and

he he arrested the cook the cook was

rested

uh you know time time passed by and

after

seven odd months one of the one of the

servants came running to the nawab

saying the the dead tree is now blooming

and got really curious and he said uh

well well call the cook and the cook was

called

and the cook uh was asking what was in

that dal

uh that it took a year to make he said i

put the essence

the extract of 365 gold coins it had the

power of

um of gold and the rejuvenation

uh rejuvenating ability uh

and and and you just uh you know you

were late for it and

i and the tree sort of came to life

and then my uh my teacher looked at me

and he said well i don’t know what

you’re being impatient for if uh

if food can bring a dead tree to life

while you’re alive

you know have patience uh you you’ll

bloom too

and and that’s how um

that’s how i’ve learned cooking you know

i can never

i can never forget that and i can never

not say that story every time i get a

chance to speak about food and

storytelling

you know and again the moral of the

story was

was left open for you to take forward

but the important

part was that the moment got frozen in

time along with the food

you know and as storytellers about food

it’s very important for us to

to freeze that moment and not just the

recipe remember

um cooking is not technique you know

the technique that’s involved in cooking

it’s a 150 000 year old

technique which is basically the

application of heat to an ingredient

and the the ingredient sort of cooks

that is the only technique to food

application of heat to an ingredient is

called cooking you know

uh accidentally some meat probably fell

on fire it got cooked human beings ate

it

and they said well this is great so and

that’s how cooking happened and then

after that you know between the fire and

the ingredient we just kept changing

uh the materials you know we just put uh

an earthenware pot then we put a copper

pot and now we’re putting steel pots and

everything else

and that’s the only thing that has

changed that’s the only technique and

science behind cooking the application

of heat to an ingredient

beyond that cooking is pure

and pure art and art is

is a function of perception uh and

and and like i said the touch move and

inspire space

does not belong to technique it does not

belong to science it belongs to art

and that’s where um storytelling sort of

sits

right in it sits right in the center

of the belief that food is art

and food is meant to touch move and

inspire

it is not a functional um

skill that all of us need to have in

order to

not be hungry you know it’s very easy

light some fire put something on top

put put um anything to cook

the fire’s gonna cook it might not be

tasty but it’ll be nourishing

so that’s that’s where the sign sends

right beyond that is is is the beauty

of art the beauty of storytelling

remember we started by saying

the only art form that you actually

consume

the only art form that becomes a part of

you

and that and that is food

and that is why i always say

if you’re chasing a recipe

you know come watch a few of my videos

you will not get the recipe but you’ll

get a hook

to the recipe you’ll get a reason to

maybe cook that recipe look for that

recipe have somebody cook it for you

you will find a a connection to that

recipe

from within yourself which touches moves

and

inspires you and that

is is is the objective of food all of us

uh you know if you remember the maslow’s

theory of iraqi

all of us all of us in our journey of

life

self-actualize in a lot of spaces right

um food is one

aspect in that maslow’s theory of iraqi

which

actually travels through the entire

pyramid

you know and that i think

um that i think is the beauty of it but

if you choose to keep your relationship

with food

right at the bottom of just fulfilling

your physiological needs

then you know then you got to find that

connect and evolve that relationship

look for those stories that excite you

and even if you don’t look for those

stories that excite you at least make

sure

you’re telling yourself a story every

morning as to what you’re going to eat

about it

and then telling your friends the story

about what you ate

how you woke up and what you felt about

all of us all of us are storytellers

especially when it comes to food

because all of us

have the ability to be touched moved and

inspired

and when you do that you automatically

touch move and inspire others

this is my time thank you very much and

like i said food is not just

a recipe a recipe is just the beginning

of how you start connecting with

all the best

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当我开始

在电视或食品媒体上播放时,

您知道人们会观看食品视频

以获取信息

正确的食谱信息您会

观看这些食品视频以获取信息

,并且您会将这些

信息带回去

做饭 食物,你会说,嘿,你

知道我今天做了什么

,这些

信息包漂浮在你周围,

在当今世界,你绝对可以

选择你的信息包,

然后去做我有点相信

这座城市 来自

食物根本不是信息你知道

我来自勒克瑙市

食物实际上不是

信息呃称它为

食谱

或以面值

称其为面值实际上是

侮辱你知道的食物

没有故事你

就不能吃食物你不能没有更深的联系就不能吃食物没有更深的联系你就不能做饭

所以我一开始觉得

自己很不合适我觉得像你一样的人

嗯,我一直想

在这个简短的内容世界中走出很长的路

,食谱希望

在一分钟内完成,你知道

我试图创造故事,

呃 16 17 分钟

,而且我唯一拥有的

就是

信念 在讲故事的力量中,

尤其是在美食的背景下

,我认为这就是发生的事情,

而且

今天如果你看到呃呃呃呃

我的 youtube 频道的有限成功

你知道你会意识到

你知道我们已经打破了呃

三到五分钟的食物视频格式,

并将其延长到

17 到 18 分钟,幸运的

是,

其他频道也发生了这种情况,所以我知道

我们为

让食物再次发光更长时间而感到自豪,

我认为学习通常

是 呃

,你对我们所有人都知道,呃食物

一旦你把它当作一种信息,你就

知道你真的无能为力,

但是一旦你把它当作

一种灵感,一旦你把它当作

可以联系到的东西

更深层次,一旦你把它

当作一种

能够触动和激励的媒介,

你就会意识到,

因为人们不能吃你的食物,你

知道最好的方法是

让他们吃你的食物和

动人的感动 鼓舞人心的

事情会发生 他们会

说我要我现在要去做饭

向内走,找到他们自己与

你正在

烹饪的东西的联系,因为

当他们出去的时候,必要的

目标可能

不是他们想要烹饪,目标

也可能是,或者最终结果

也可能是他们想要

去某个地方吃,这

很好,你知道,或者

他们希望有人在家里

做,这也

很好,目标是对话

嗯,比几盘f要大得多

好的,正确的对话

比几盘食物的持续时间更长,尤其是

在我们

的印度语境中,当

我们

都得到

了仅靠

口耳相传的故事时,

我们呃你知道

我们没有理由应该 不

相信

我们国家讲故事的力量和持久性,嗯,

你知道有趣的是,

这些食物故事中的大多数也

通过口耳相传代代相传

,一旦你意识到,嘿,你

知道食物会 完成

我把它吃完了 剩下的就是

谈话

对了 我在和他的圣洁说话

我们创造

了我们要吃什么的预期

你知道

你早上醒来说今天

我想让你知道

我想要那个

用这种方式煮熟的paratha ke我在那里

你告诉自己故事

建立呃

当你吃食物时的预期然后

你告诉自己你想讲的故事

因为你只是吃得不对

你还必须讲一个 故事你还

必须

围绕你吃的东西进行对话,然后

当你晚上遇到朋友时再次讲述你的故事,

说你知道

我在这个神奇的地方吃了一顿美味的早餐

,这就是我们的样子

,就是这样

作为一种文化,我们不能孤立

食物和讲故事,因为食物是

我们每时每刻都在告诉自己的故事,你

知道每顿饭

都是三个故事,这就是我

在内容空间或

电视空间中坚信的东西,

嗯,那就是 为什么我

相信,在食物空间中,

你知道未说出口的,或者正如

他们所说的,停顿

比预测更有力量,

你知道你在说什么是强大的,

但停顿有更多的力量

,而且 这就是我们正在努力改变的

我们正在努力为那些停顿创造空间

因为

那是它击中你的时候那是你

回去的时候那是你内

化讲故事的基础是好奇心

对我们都是我们都很好奇

嗯嗯 好奇的人

或哼哼,嗯,我们正在寻找故事

和八卦来满足这种

好奇心,

这就是故事对我们所做的事情,

你知道那是它的美丽,

它们是否触动并激励我们,或者只是

一个转瞬即逝的想法 那种路过

,对我来说,我认为我们

相信食物是一种艺术形式真的很重要,我们相信食物是

你真正可以消费的唯一艺术形式,它

会成为你的

一部分 我们

都是由食物制成的,我们都只是食物

,这就是为什么嗯,如果你正在

吃食物并与食物有联系,

无论它是你在某处听到的故事

或者它是一个记忆,或者是否 正是那一刻 是

为你创造的

你也在消费那

一刻 那一刻然后永远成为你潜意识的一部分

你知道食物就是身体

食物故事就是你

知道的潜意识 这就是同化

发生的方式 这就是

我们的成长发生的方式而不是

就像我说的,身体的成长

也是潜意识的成长,所以虽然食物

给了我们身体的成长,

但故事和食物

一起堆积起来,也给了我们

潜意识的潜意识成长

,我认为这非常重要,

这就是我们所相信的

呃,作为一个团队,这

就是我们很多厨师现在所相信的,嗯,

你知道我什么时候我会给你一个

小例子,说明我

学习的时候你知道我曾经非常

非常非常沮丧,因为

学习 是一个缓慢的过程,

尤其是如果您向那些老大师学习,

他们会以古老的缓慢方式对待您,

这对年轻人来说通常很痛苦

,而且我过去常常

有点生气和沮丧,有一天,

嗯,

有一天

,我从他那里学到的那位绅士说

发生了什么事,

嗯,我说是的,我没有说,好吧,我

知道你从哪里来,

让我告诉你一个故事,然后 他告诉

一个厨师如何来到纳瓦布

宫的故事,他说我有,我会

在一年后给你吃点东西,

但你每天给我 365 金币

一个金币,你

必须坐在这下面 所以

有一个

呃有一棵死树你知道只是一个

树桩

在院子里一棵死树他说你

必须

在呃三点钟

正好在下午三点钟坐在这棵死树下

吃我的东西 会为你做饭

,纳瓦布 嗯,他们很好奇,

所以他们决定了,

他决定每天给他一枚金币

,一年后,厨师

把碗放在树下,然后把那个碗放在

同一个树桩下

,然后呃什么

呃呃他等待 nawab

的时间已经远远超出了 贪婪

呃 nawab 来了,厨师说

好吧,你来晚了,他

把木豆扔到

死树上,死树的树桩

然后真的很生气,原因有两个,

一个

是你花了一年时间, 每天一枚金币

只给我一个 dal

权利和 um

两个你怎么敢扔它

他逮捕了厨师 厨师

休息了

呃你知道时间过去了

七个多月后其中一个

仆人 跑到 nawab

说那棵死树现在开花

了,他真的很好奇,他说,嗯,

好吧,给厨师打电话,厨师

被叫

了,厨师在问

那个花了一年时间制作的 dal uh 里有什么 他说我

把精华放在

365金币的提取物中它有

嗯黄金的力量和

回春能力呃

和你只是呃你知道你

迟到了我和树有点生机勃勃

然后我的呃,我的老师看着我

,他说我不知道 现在

你不耐烦了,

如果食物可以

在你还活着的时候让一棵死树复活,

你知道有耐心,你也会

开花,

这就是我学习烹饪的方式你知道

我永远不能忘记这一点,我永远

不能不说那个故事,每次我有

机会谈论食物和

讲故事时,

你知道,而且这个故事的寓意再次

被留给你去推进,

但重要的

部分是 那一刻

与你所知道的食物一起被及时冻结

,作为食物的故事讲述者

,冻结那一刻对我们来说非常重要,而不仅仅是

食谱记住

嗯烹饪不是技术你知道

烹饪中涉及的技术

它是 150 000 年历史的

技术,基本上

是对一种配料加热,

而配料类厨师

是唯一一种

对配料加热的食物技术,

叫做烹饪,你知道,

呃,不小心一些肉 可能

着火了,它被煮熟了,人类吃

,他们说这很好,

这就是烹饪的方式,

然后你知道在火和配料之间,

我们只是不断改变

呃材料你知道我们只是放了

呃 陶锅 然后我们放了一个

铜锅 现在我们放了钢锅和

其他所有

东西 这是唯一

改变的东西 这是烹饪背后的唯一技术和

科学

将热量应用于一种成分

之外 烹饪是纯粹

而纯粹的艺术 艺术

是一种感知功能

食物是艺术的信念的中心

,食物是用来感动和

激发灵感的,

不是我们所有人为了不饿而需要具备的功能性技能,

你知道这很容易

点燃一些火 把东西放在上面

放嗯 任何东西来煮

记得我们一开始

说你真正

消费

的唯一一种艺术形式 唯一一种成为你一部分的艺术形式

,那就是食物

,这就是为什么我总是说

如果你在追一个

你知道的食谱,就来看几个 我的视频

你不会得到菜谱,但

你会得到菜谱

的钩子 感动

启发你,这

就是食物的目标,我们所有人,

嗯,你知道,如果你还记得马斯洛

的伊拉克理论

,我们所有人,我们所有人,在我们的人生旅途中,

在很多空间中自我实现,

嗯 食物是生活的一个

方面 t 马斯洛关于伊拉克的理论

实际上贯穿了整个

金字塔,

你知道,我认为

嗯,我认为这就是它的美妙之处,但

如果你选择将

与食物

的关系保持在满足生理需求的最低点,

那么你就会知道 然后你必须找到

联系并发展这种关系

寻找那些让你兴奋的故事

,即使你不寻找那些

让你兴奋的故事,至少要确保

你每天早上都在给自己讲一个关于你的故事

吃点东西

,然后告诉你的朋友

你吃了什么,你是

如何醒来的,你对

我们所有人的感受 感动和

鼓舞

,当你这样做时,你会自动

触摸感动并激励他人

这是我的时间非常感谢你,

就像我说的食物不仅仅是

一个食谱食谱只是

你如何生活的开始 rt 与

所有最好的连接