What happens in your brain when you taste food Camilla Arndal Andersen

Translator: Ivana Korom
Reviewer: Krystian Aparta

So I had this very interesting experience

five years ago.

You know, me and my husband,
we were out grocery shopping,

as we do every other day,

but this time, we found this fancy,

you know, I’m talking fair-trade,
I’m talking organic,

I’m talking Kenyan, single-origin coffee

that we splurged and got.

And that was when the problem
started already.

You know, my husband,
he deemed this coffee blend superior

to our regular and much cheaper coffee,

which made me imagine a life
based solely on fancy coffee

and I saw our household budget explode.

(Laughter)

And worse …

I also feared that this investment
would be in vain.

That we wouldn’t be able to notice
this difference after all.

Unfortunately, especially for my husband,

he had momentarily forgotten
that he’s married to a neuroscientist

with a specialty in food science.

(Laughter)

Alright?

So without further ado,

I mean, I just put him to the test.

I set up an experiment

where I first blindfolded my husband.

(Laughter)

Then I brewed the two types of coffee

and I told him that
I would serve them to him

one at a time.

Now, with clear certainty,

my husband, he described
the first cup of coffee

as more raw and bitter.

You know, a coffee
that would be ideal for the mornings

with the sole purpose of terrorizing
the body awake by its alarming taste.

(Laughter)

The second cup of coffee,
on the other hand,

was both fruity and delightful.

You know, coffee that one
can enjoy in the evening and relax.

Little did my husband know, however,

that I hadn’t actually given him
the two types of coffee.

I had given him the exact same
cup of coffee twice.

(Laughter)

And obviously, it wasn’t
this one cup of coffee

that had suddenly gone
from horrible to fantastic.

No, this taste difference
was a product of my husband’s own mind.

Of his bias in favor of the fancy coffee

that made him experience taste differences
that just weren’t there.

Alright, so, having saved
our household budget,

and finishing on a very good laugh,

me especially –

(Laughter)

I then started wondering
just how we could have received

two such different responses
from a single cup of coffee.

Why would my husband
make such a bold statement

at the risk of being publicly mocked
for the rest of his life?

(Laughter)

The striking answer is
that I think you would have done the same.

And that’s the biggest challenge
in my field of science,

assessing what’s reality
behind these answers

that we receive.

Because how are we
going to make food tastier

if we cannot rely on what people
actually say they like?

To understand, let’s first have a look
at how we actually sense food.

When I drink a cup of coffee,

I detect this cup of coffee
by receptors on my body,

information which is then turned
into activated neurons in my brain.

Wavelengths of light
are converted to colors.

Molecules in the liquid
are detected by receptors in my mouth,

and categorized as one
of five basic tastes.

That’s salty, sour,
bitter, sweet and umami.

Molecules in the air
are detected by receptors in my nose

and converted to odors.

And ditto for touch, for temperature,
for sound and more.

All this information is detected
by my receptors

and converted into signals
between neurons in my brain.

Information which is then
woven together and integrated,

so that my brain recognizes

that yes, I just had a cup of coffee,
and yes, I liked it.

And only then,

after all this neuron heavy lifting,

do we consciously experience
this cup of coffee.

And this is now where we have
a very common misconception.

People tend to think
that what we experience consciously

must then be an absolute
true reflection of reality.

But as you just heard,

there are many stages
of neural interpretation

in between the physical item
and the conscious experience of it.

Which means that sometimes,

this conscious experience is not really
reflecting that reality at all.

Like what happened to my husband.

That’s because some physical stimuli
may just be so weak

that they just can’t break that barrier
to enter our conscious mind,

while the information that does

may get twisted on its way there
by our hidden biases.

And people, they have a lot of biases.

Yes, if you’re sitting there
right now, thinking …

you could probably have done
better than my husband,

you could probably have assessed
those coffees correctly,

then you’re actually
suffering from a bias.

A bias called the bias blind spot.

Our tendency to see ourselves
as less biased than other people.

(Laughter)

And yeah, we can even be biased

about the biases that we’re biased about.

(Laughter)

Not trying to make this any easier.

A bias that we know in the food industry
is the courtesy bias.

This is a bias where we give an opinion

which is considered socially acceptable,

but it’s certainly not
our own opinion, right?

And I’m challenged by this
as a food researcher,

because when people say they like
my new sugar-reduced milkshake,

do they now?

(Laughter)

Or are they saying they like it

because they know I’m listening
and they want to please me?

Or maybe they just to seem
fit and healthy in my ears.

I wouldn’t know.

But worse, they wouldn’t
even know themselves.

Even trained food assessors,

and that’s people who have been
explicitly taught

to disentangle the sense of smell
and the sense of taste,

may still be biased
to evaluate products sweeter

if they contain vanilla.

Why?

Well, it’s certainly not
because vanilla actually tastes sweet.

It’s because even these
professionals are human,

and have eaten lot of desserts, like us,

and have therefore learned to associate
sweetness and vanilla.

So taste and smell
and other sensory information

is inextricably entangled
in our conscious mind.

So on one hand, we can actually use this.

We can use these conscious experiences,

use this data, exploit it
by adding vanilla instead of sugar

to sweeten our products.

But on the other hand,

with these conscious evaluations,

I still wouldn’t know

whether people actually liked
that sugar-reduced milkshake.

So how do we get around this problem?

How do we actually assess what’s reality

behind these conscious food evaluations?

The key is to remove the barrier
of the conscious mind

and instead target the information
in the brain directly.

And it turns out

our brain holds a lot
of fascinating secrets.

Our brain constantly receives
sensory information from our entire body,

most of which we don’t even
become aware of,

like the taste information
that I constantly receive

from my gastrointestinal tract.

And my brain will also act
on all this sensory information.

It will alter my behavior
without my knowledge,

and it can increase
the diameter of my pupils

if I experience something I really like.

And increase my sweat production
ever so slightly

if that emotion was intense.

And with brain scans,

we can now assess
this information in the brain.

Specifically, I have used
a brain-scanning technique

called electroencephalography,

or “EEG” in short,

which involves wearing a cap
studded with electrodes,

128 in my case.

Each electrode then measures
the electrical activity of the brain

with precision down to the millisecond.

The problem is, however,

it’s not just the brain
that’s electrically active,

it’s also the rest of the body
as well as the environment

that contains a lot
of electrical activity all the time.

To do my research,

I therefore need
to minimize all this noise.

So I ask my participants
to do a number of things here.

First off,

I ask them to rest their head
in a chin rest,

to avoid too much muscle movement.

I also ask them to, meanwhile,
stare at the center of a computer monitor

to avoid too much
eye movements and eye blinks.

And I can’t even have swallowing,

so I ask my participants
to stick the tongue out of their mouth

over a glass bowl,

and then I constantly let
taste stimuli onto the tongue,

which then drip off into this bowl.

(Laughter)

And then, just to complete
this wonderful picture,

I also provide my participants with a bib,

available in either pink
or blue, as they please.

(Laughter)

Looks like a normal
eating experience, right?

(Laughter)

No, obviously not.

And worse,

I can’t even control
what my participants are thinking about,

so I need to repeat this taste procedure

multiple times.

Maybe the first time,
they’re thinking about the free lunch

that I provide for participating,

or maybe the second time,
they’re thinking about Christmas coming up

and what to get for Mom
this year, you know.

But common for each response
is the response to the taste.

So I repeat this taste
procedure multiple times.

Sixty, in fact.

And then I average the responses,

because responses unrelated
to taste will average out.

And using this method,

we and other labs,

have investigated how long a time
it takes from “food lands on our tongue”

until our brain has figured out
which taste it’s experiencing.

Turns out this occurs within the first
already 100 milliseconds,

that’s about half a second
before we even become aware of it.

And next up, we also investigated

the taste difference between sugar
and artificial sweeteners

that in our setup taste extremely similar.

In fact, they tasted so similar

that half my participants
could only barely tell the taste apart,

while the other half simply couldn’t.

But amazingly,

if we looked across
the entire group of participants,

we saw that their brains
definitely could tell the taste apart.

So with EEG and other
brain-scanning devices

and other physiological measures –

sweat and pupil size –

we have new gateways to our brain.

Gateways that will help us
remove the barrier of the conscious mind

to see through the biases of people

and possibly even capture
subconscious taste differences.

And that’s because we can now measure
people’s very first response to food

before they’ve become conscious of it,

and before they’ve started rationalizing
why they like it or not.

We can measure people’s
facial expressions,

we can measure where they’re looking,

we can measure their sweat response,

we can measure their brain response.

And with all these measures,

we are going to be able
to create tastier foods,

because we can measure
whether people actually like

that sugar-reduced milkshake.

And we can create healthier foods
without compromising taste,

because we can measure the response
to different sweeteners

and find the sweetener that gives
the response that’s more similar

to the response from sugar.

And furthermore, we can just help
create healthier foods,

because we can help understand
how we actually sense food

in the first place.

Which we know surprisingly little about.

For example, we know
that there are those five basic tastes,

but we strongly suspect
that there are more,

and in fact, using our EEG setup,
we found evidence that fat,

besides being sensed
by its texture and smell,

is also tasted.

Meaning that fat could be
this new sixth basic taste.

And if we figure out
how our brain recognizes fat and sugar,

and I’m just dreaming here,

but could we then one day

create a milkshake with zero calories
that tastes just like the real deal?

Or maybe we figure out that we can’t,

because we subconsciously detect calories

via our receptors
in our gastrointestinal tract.

The future will show.

Our conscious experience of food

is just the tip of the iceberg
of our total sensation of food.

And by studying this total sensation,

conscious and subconscious alike,

I truly believe that we can make
tastier and healthier foods for all.

Thank you.

(Applause)

译者:Ivana Korom
审稿人:Krystian Aparta

所以五年前我有过一次非常有趣的经历

你知道,我和我的丈夫,
我们去杂货店买东西,

就像我们每隔一天做的那样,

但这一次,我们发现了这种幻想,

你知道,我说的是公平贸易,
我说的是有机食品,

我是 谈论

我们挥霍并得到的肯尼亚单一产地咖啡。

那时问题
已经开始了。

你知道,我的丈夫,
他认为这种混合咖啡

优于我们普通且便宜得多的咖啡,

这让我想象着一种
完全依赖于高档咖啡的生活

,我看到我们的家庭预算激增。

(笑声

) 更糟糕的是……

我还担心这项投资
会是徒劳的。

毕竟,我们将无法注意到
这种差异。

不幸的是,尤其是对我丈夫来说,

他暂时忘记
了他嫁给

了一位专攻食品科学的神经科学家。

(笑声)

好吗?

因此,事不宜迟,

我的意思是,我只是对他进行了测试。

我做了一个实验

,我第一次蒙上我丈夫的眼睛。

(笑声)

然后我煮了两种咖啡

,我告诉他
我会一次给他

一种。

现在,

我丈夫,他非常肯定地
说第一杯

咖啡更加生涩和苦涩。

你知道,一种适合早晨饮用的咖啡

其唯一目的是
通过其令人震惊的味道来惊醒身体。

(笑声

) 另一方面,第二杯咖啡

果味浓郁,令人愉悦。

你知道,
晚上可以享用咖啡并放松身心。

然而,我丈夫几乎不知道

我实际上并没有给
他两种咖啡。

我给了他
两次完全相同的咖啡。

(笑声

) 很明显,不是
这杯

咖啡突然
从可怕变成了美妙。

不,这种口味差异
是我丈夫自己的想法的产物。

他偏爱高档咖啡

,这使他体验
到不存在的口味差异。

好吧,所以,节省
了我们的家庭预算,

并且笑得很开心,

尤其是我——

(笑声)

然后我开始想
知道我们怎么能从一杯咖啡中得到

两种不同的反应

为什么我的丈夫

冒着被公开嘲笑一辈子的风险做出如此大胆的声明

(笑声

) 惊人的答案
是我认为你也会这样做。


是我的科学领域中最大的挑战,

评估

我们收到的这些答案背后的现实。

因为

如果我们不能依赖人们
真正说他们喜欢的东西,我们将如何让食物变得更美味?

为了理解,让我们先来
看看我们实际上是如何感知食物的。

当我喝一杯咖啡时,

我会
通过身体上的受体来检测这杯咖啡

,然后将这些信息
转化为大脑中激活的神经元。

光的波长
被转换成颜色。

液体中的分子
被我嘴里的受体检测到,

并被归类
为五种基本味道之一。

那是咸的、酸的、
苦的、甜的和鲜味的。

空气中的分子
被我鼻子里的受体检测到

并转化为气味。

同样适用于触摸、温度
、声音等。

所有这些信息都
被我的受体检测到,

并转化为
我大脑中神经元之间的信号。

然后将信息
编织在一起并整合在一起,

以便我的大脑认识

到是的,我刚喝了一杯咖啡
,是的,我喜欢它。

只有这样,

在所有这些神经元繁重的工作之后,

我们才会有意识地体验
这杯咖啡。

现在,我们有
一个非常普遍的误解。

人们倾向于
认为我们有意识地体验到的东西

一定是
对现实的绝对真实反映。

但正如你刚刚听到的,

在物理项目
和它的有意识体验之间有许多神经解释阶段。

这意味着有时,

这种有意识的体验根本没有真正
反映那个现实。

就像我丈夫发生的事情一样。

这是因为一些物理刺激
可能非常微弱

,以至于它们无法打破
进入我们意识的障碍,

而确实存在的信息

可能会
被我们隐藏的偏见扭曲。

而人们,他们有很多偏见。

是的,如果你现在坐在那里
,想……

你可能
比我丈夫做得更好,

你可能正确地评估了
这些咖啡,

那么你实际上
患有偏见。

一种偏差称为偏差盲点。

我们倾向于认为自己
比其他人更少偏见。

笑声) 是的,我们甚至可以

对我们有偏见的偏见产生偏见。

(笑声)

不要试图让这变得更容易。

我们在食品行业中所知道的一种偏见
是礼貌偏见。

这是一种偏见,我们给出的

意见被认为是社会可接受的,

但这肯定不是
我们自己的意见,对吧?

作为一名食品研究人员,我受到了挑战,

因为当人们说他们喜欢
我的新低糖奶昔时,

他们现在喜欢吗?

(笑声)

或者他们说他们喜欢它

是因为他们知道我在听
并且他们想要取悦我?

或者也许他们只是为了
在我的耳朵里看起来健康。

我不会知道的。

但更糟糕的是,他们甚至不
认识自己。

即使是受过训练的食品评估员,

也就是那些被
明确教导

要区分嗅觉
和味觉的人,

可能仍然偏向
于评估

含有香草的产品是否更甜。

为什么?

好吧,这当然不是
因为香草实际上尝起来很甜。

这是因为即使是这些
专业人士也是人类

,并且像我们一样吃过很多甜点,

因此学会了将
甜味和香草味联系起来。

因此,味觉、嗅觉
和其他感官信息


我们的意识密不可分。

所以一方面,我们实际上可以使用它。

我们可以利用这些有意识的经验,

使用这些数据,
通过添加香草而不是糖

来使我们的产品变甜。

但另一方面,

有了这些有意识的评价,

我仍然不知道

人们是否真的喜欢
这种低糖奶昔。

那么我们如何解决这个问题呢?

我们如何真正评估

这些有意识的食物评估背后的现实?

关键是要消除意识的障碍

,而是
直接针对大脑中的信息。

事实证明,

我们的大脑拥有
许多迷人的秘密。

我们的大脑不断地
从我们的整个身体接收感官信息,

其中大部分我们甚至没有
意识到,

比如
我不断地

从胃肠道接收到的味觉信息。

我的大脑也会
对所有这些感官信息采取行动。

它会
在我不知情的情况下改变我的行为,

如果我体验到我真正喜欢的东西,它会增加我的瞳孔直径。

如果这种情绪很强烈,我的出汗量会略微增加

通过大脑扫描,

我们现在可以评估
大脑中的这些信息。

具体来说,我使用
了一种

称为脑电图

或简称为“EEG”的脑部扫描技术,

其中包括戴上
镶有电极的帽子,

在我的例子中是 128。

然后每个电极

以毫秒级的精度测量大脑的电活动。

然而,问题是,

不仅仅是大脑
在电活动,

它也是身体的其他部分
以及一直

包含
大量电活动的环境。 因此

,为了进行研究,

我需要
尽量减少所有这些噪音。

所以我要求我的参与者
在这里做一些事情。

首先,

我要求他们将头
放在下巴休息处,

以避免过多的肌肉运动。

同时,我还要求他们
盯着电脑显示器的中心,

以避免过多的
眼球运动和眨眼。

而且我什至不能吞咽,

所以我让我的参与者
把舌头从嘴里伸出

到一个玻璃碗上,

然后我不断地让
味觉刺激到舌头上

,然后滴到这个碗里。

(笑声

) 然后,为了完成
这张精彩的照片,

我还为我的参与者提供了一个围兜,

有粉色
或蓝色可供选择,随他们喜欢。

(笑声)

看起来很正常的
饮食体验,对吧?

(笑声)

不,显然不是。

更糟糕的是,

我什至无法控制
我的参与者在想什么,

所以我需要多次重复这个品尝过程

也许第一次,
他们在考虑

我为参与提供的免费午餐,

或者也许第二次,
他们在考虑圣诞节快到了

,今年要给妈妈买什么
,你知道的。

但每种反应的共同点
是对味道的反应。

所以我多次重复这个品尝
过程。

六十,事实上。

然后我平均反应,

因为与品味无关的反应
会平均。

使用这种方法,

我们和其他实验室

已经研究了
从“食物落在我们的舌头上”

到我们的大脑弄清楚
它正在经历的味道需要多长时间。

事实证明,这发生
在前 100 毫秒内,

也就是
在我们意识到它之前大约半秒。

接下来,我们还研究

了糖和人造甜味剂之间的味道差异

,在我们的设置中味道极其相似。

事实上,它们的味道是如此相似

,以至于我的一半参与者
只能勉强区分味道,

而另一半则根本无法区分。

但令人惊讶的是,

如果我们查看
整个参与者组,

我们发现他们的大脑
绝对可以区分味道。

因此,通过脑电图和其他
大脑扫描设备

以及其他生理测量——

汗水和瞳孔大小——

我们有了通往大脑的新通道。

网关将帮助我们
消除有意识的思维障碍,

看穿人们的偏见,

甚至可能捕捉
潜意识的口味差异。

那是因为我们现在可以

在人们意识到食物之前,

以及在他们开始合理化
他们为什么喜欢或不喜欢食物之前,测量他们对食物的第一反应。

我们可以测量人们的
面部表情,

我们可以测量他们在看什么,

我们可以测量他们的汗水反应,

我们可以测量他们的大脑反应。

通过所有这些措施,

我们将
能够创造出更美味的食物,

因为我们可以衡量
人们是否真的喜欢

这种低糖奶昔。

我们可以在
不影响口味的情况下创造更健康的食物,

因为我们可以测量
对不同

甜味剂的反应,并找到与糖
的反应更

相似的甜味剂。

此外,我们可以帮助
创造更健康的食物,

因为我们可以帮助
了解我们首先是如何感知食物

的。

我们对此知之甚少。

例如,我们
知道有这五种基本味道,

但我们强烈
怀疑还有更多

,事实上,使用我们的脑电图设置,
我们发现了证据表明,

除了
通过质地和气味感知脂肪外

,还可以品尝到脂肪。

这意味着脂肪可能是
这种新的第六种基本口味。

如果我们
弄清楚我们的大脑是如何识别脂肪和糖分的,

而我只是在做梦

,那么我们是否有朝一日能

创造出一种零卡路里的奶昔
,尝起来就像真的一样?

或者也许我们发现我们做不到,

因为我们下意识地

通过
胃肠道中的受体检测卡路里。

未来会显现。

我们对食物的有意识体验

只是
我们对食物总感觉的冰山一角。

通过研究这种

有意识和潜意识的整体感觉,

我真的相信我们可以
为所有人制作更美味、更健康的食物。

谢谢你。

(掌声)