Brenda Romero Gaming for understanding

Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Morton Bast

When we think of games,
there’s all kinds of things.

Maybe you’re ticked off, or maybe,
you’re looking forward to a new game.

You’ve been up too late playing a game.

All these things happen to me.

But when we think about games,

a lot of times we think
about stuff like this:

first-person shooters, or the big,
what we would call AAA games,

or maybe you’re a Facebook game player.

This is one my partner and I worked on.

Maybe you play Facebook games,
and that’s what we’re making right now.

This is a lighter form of game.

Maybe you think about
the tragically boring board games

that hold us hostage
in Thanksgiving situations.

This would be one of the tragically boring
board games that you can figure out.

Or maybe you’re in your living room,

playing with the Wii with the kids,

and there’s this whole range of games,
and that’s very much what I think about.

I make my living from games,
I’ve been lucky enough to do this

since I was 15, which also qualifies
as I’ve never really had a real job.

But we think about games as fun,
and that’s completely reasonable,

but let’s just think about this.

So this one here,
this is the 1980 Olympics.

Now I don’t know where you guys were,

but I was in my living room.

It was practically a religious event.

And this is when the Americans
beat the Russians,

and this was –
yes, it was technically a game.

Hockey is a game.

But really, was this a game?

I mean, people cried.

I’ve never seen my mother cry
like that at the end of Monopoly.

(Laughter)

And so this was an amazing experience.

Or, if anybody here is from Boston –

So when the Boston Red Sox
won the World Series

after I believe, 351 years –

(Laughter)

when they won the World Series,
it was amazing.

I happened to be living
in Springfield at the time,

and the best part of it was,

you would close the women’s door
in the bathroom,

and I remember seeing “Go Sox,”
and I thought, really?

Or the houses, you’d come out,
because every game,

well, I think almost every game,
went into overtime, right?

So we’d be outside, and all the other
lights are on in the whole block.

And kids – the attendance
was down in school,

kids weren’t going to school,
but it’s OK, it’s the Red Sox, right?

I mean, there’s education,
and then there’s the Red Sox,

and we know where they’re stacked.

So this was an amazing experience,

and again, yes, it was a game,
but they didn’t write newspaper articles,

people didn’t say, “You know, really,
I can die now, because the Red Sox won.”

And many people did.

So games, it means something more to us.

It absolutely means something more.

So now, this is an abrupt transition here.

There was three years where
I actually did have a real job, sort of.

I was the head of a college
department teaching games,

so, again, it was sort of a real job,

and now I got to talk about making them
as opposed to making them.

Part of the job of it,
when you’re a chair of a department,

is to eat, and I did that very well –

and so I’m out at a dinner
with this guy called Zig Jackson.

So this is Zig in this photograph,
this is also one of Zig’s photographs.

He’s a photographer.

And he goes all around the country
taking pictures of himself,

and you can see here he’s got
Zig’s Indian Reservation.

And this particular shot –

this is one of the more traditional shots.

This is a rain dancer.

And this is one of my favorite shots here.

So you can look at this, and maybe
you’ve even seen things like this.

This is an expression of culture, right?

And this is actually
from his Degradation series.

And what was most fascinating
to me about this series

is just, look at that little boy there,
can you imagine?

We can see that’s
a traditional Native American.

Now I just want to change that guy’s race.

Just imagine if that’s a black guy.

So, “Honey, come here, let’s get you
a picture with the black guy.” Right?

Like, seriously, nobody would do this.

It baffles the mind.

And so Zig, being Indian,
likewise it baffles his mind.

His favorite photograph –

my favorite photograph of his,
which I don’t have in here –

is Indian taking picture of white people
taking pictures of Indians.

(Laughter)

So I happen to be at dinner
with this photographer,

and he was talking
with another photographer

about a shooting that had occurred,

and it was on an Indian Reservation.

He’d taken his camera up there
to photograph it,

but when he got there,
he discovered he couldn’t do it.

He just couldn’t capture the picture.

And so they were talking back and forth
about this question.

Do you take the picture or not?

And that was fascinating
to me as a game designer,

because it never occurs to me,

should I make the game
about this difficult topic or not?

Because we just make things that are fun

or will make you feel fear,
that visceral excitement.

But every other medium does it.

So this is my kid.

This is Maezza, and when she was
seven years old,

she came home from school one day,

and like I do every single day,
I asked her, “What did you do today?”

So she said, “We talked
about the Middle Passage.”

Now, this was a big moment.
Maezza’s dad is black,

and I knew this day was coming.

I wasn’t expecting it at seven,
I don’t know why, but I wasn’t.

Anyways, so I asked her,
“How do you feel about that?”

So she proceeded to tell me,

and so any of you who are parents
will recognize the bingo buzzwords here.

“The ships start in England,
they come down from England,

they go to Africa,
they go across the ocean –

that’s the Middle Passage part –

they come to America, where
the slaves are sold,” she’s telling me.

But Abraham Lincoln was elected president,

and then he passed
the Emancipation Proclamation,

and now they’re free.

Pause for about 10 seconds.

“Can I play a game, Mommy?”

And I thought, that’s it?
And so, you know,

this is the Middle Passage,
this is an incredibly significant event,

and she’s treating it like, basically
some black people went on a cruise,

this is more or less how it sounds to her.

(Laughter)

And so, to me,
I wanted more value in this,

so when she asked
if she could play a game, I said, “Yes.”

(Laughter)

And so I happened to have
all of these little pieces.

I’m a game designer, so I have
this stuff sitting around my house.

I said, “Yeah, you can play a game,”
and I give her a bunch of these,

and I tell her to paint them
in different families.

These are pictures of Maezza
when she was –

God, it still chokes me up seeing these.

So she’s painting her little families.

So then I grab a bunch of them
and I put them on a boat.

This was the boat,
it was made quickly, obviously.

And so the basic gist of it is,
I grabbed a bunch of families,

and she’s like, “Mommy,
but you forgot the pink baby

and you forgot the blue daddy

and you forgot all these other things.”

And she says, “They want to go.”

And I said, “Honey,
no, they don’t want to go.

This is the Middle Passage, Nobody wants
to go on the Middle Passage.”

So she gave me a look that only a daughter
of a game designer would give a mother,

and as we’re going across the ocean,
following these rules,

she realizes that she’s rolling
pretty high,

and she says to me,
“We’re not going to make it.”

And she realizes,
we don’t have enough food,

and so she asks what to do,

and I say – remember, she’s seven –

“We can either put
some people in the water

or we can hope that they don’t get sick

and we make it to the other side.”

Just the look on her face came over –

now mind you this is after a month of –

this is Black History Month, right?

After a month, she says to me,
“Did this really happen?”

And I said, “Yes.” And so she said –

this is her brother and sister –

“If I came out of the woods,
Avalon and Donovan might be gone.”

“Yes.”

“But I’d get to see them in America.”

“No.”

“But what if I saw them?
Couldn’t we stay together?”

“So Daddy could be gone.”

“Yes.”

She was fascinated by this,
and she started to cry,

I started to cry, her father started
to cry, and now we’re all crying.

He didn’t expect to come home from work
to the Middle Passage, but there it goes.

And so, we made this game, and she got it.

She got it because she spent time
with these people.

It wasn’t abstract stuff
in a brochure or in a movie.

And so it was just an incredibly
powerful experience.

This is the game, which I’ve ended up
calling “The New World,”

because I like the phrase.

I don’t think the New World
felt too new worldly exciting

to the people who were
brought over on slave ships.

But when this happened,
I saw the whole planet; I was so excited.

I’d been making games for 20-some years,

and then I decided to do it again.

My history is Irish.

So this is a game called “Síochán Leat.”
It’s “peace be with you.”

It’s the entire history
of my family in a single game.

I made another game called “Train.”

I was making a series of six games
that covered difficult topics,

and if you’re going to cover a difficult
topic, this is one you need to cover,

and I’ll let you figure out
what that’s about on your own.

And I also made a game
about the Trail of Tears.

This is a game
with 50,000 individual pieces.

I was crazy when I decided to start it,
but I’m in the middle of it now.

It’s the same thing.

I’m hoping that I’ll teach
culture through these games.

And the one I’m working
on right now, which is –

because I’m right in the middle of it,

and these for some reason
choke me up like crazy –

is a game called
“Mexican Kitchen Workers.”

And originally, it was
a math problem, more or less.

Here’s the economics
of illegal immigration.

And the more I learned
about Mexican culture –

my partner is Mexican —
the more I learned that,

you know, for all of us,
food is a basic need,

and it is obviously with Mexicans, too,
but it’s much more than that.

It’s an expression of love.
It’s an expression of –

God, I’m totally choking up
way more than I thought.

I’ll look away from the picture.

It’s an expression of beauty,
it’s how they say they love you.

It’s how they say they care,

and you can’t hear somebody
talk about their Mexican grandmother

without saying “food”
in the first sentence.

And so to me, this beautiful culture,

this beautiful expression is something
that I want to capture through games.

And so games, for a change,
it changes how we see topics,

it changes our perceptions
about those people in topics,

and it changes ourselves.

We change as people through games,

because we’re involved, and we’re playing,

and we’re learning as we do so.

Thank you.

译者:Joseph Geni
审稿人:Morton Bast

当我们想到游戏时,
有各种各样的东西。

也许你被打勾了,或者
你期待着一个新游戏。

你玩游戏已经太晚了。

所有这些事情都发生在我身上。

但是当我们想到游戏时

,很多时候我们会想到这样的
东西:

第一人称射击游戏,或者大型
游戏,我们称之为 AAA 游戏,

或者你可能是 Facebook 游戏玩家。

这是我的合作伙伴之一,我一直在努力。

也许你玩 Facebook 游戏
,这就是我们现在正在做的。

这是一种较轻的游戏形式。

也许你会想到

在感恩节的情况下把我们当作人质的可悲无聊的棋盘游戏。

这将是您可以弄清楚的可悲无聊的
棋盘游戏之一。

或者,也许你在客厅里

,和孩子们一起玩 Wii,

有各种各样的游戏
,这就是我的想法。

我以游戏为生,我从 15 岁
起就很幸运能够做到这一点

,这也
说明我从未真正拥有过真正的工作。

但我们认为游戏很有趣
,这是完全合理的,

但让我们想想这个。

所以这个在这里,
这是1980年的奥运会。

现在我不知道你们在哪里,

但我在我的客厅里。

这实际上是一个宗教活动。

这是美国人
击败俄罗斯人的时候

,这是——
是的,从技术上讲,这是一场游戏。

曲棍球是一种游戏。

但真的,这是游戏吗?

我的意思是,人们哭了。

我从没见过我妈妈
在大富翁结束时哭成这样。

(笑声

) 所以这是一次了不起的经历。

或者,如果这里有人来自波士顿——

所以当波士顿红袜队

在我相信 351 年后赢得世界大赛时——

(笑声)

当他们赢得世界大赛时,
那真是太棒了。 当时

我碰巧住
在斯普林菲尔德

,最好的部分是,

你会关
上浴室里的女用门

,我记得看过“Go Sox”
,我想,真的吗?

或者房子,你会出来,
因为每场比赛,

嗯,我想几乎每场比赛
都进入加时赛,对吧?

所以我们会在外面,
整个街区的所有其他灯都亮着。

还有孩子们——
学校的出勤率下降了,

孩子们不去上学了,
但没关系,是红袜队,对吧?

我的意思是,有教育,
还有红袜队

,我们知道他们在哪里。

所以这是一次了不起的经历,

而且,是的,这是一场比赛,
但他们没有写报纸文章,

人们没有说,“你知道,真的,
我现在可以死了,因为红袜队赢了。”

许多人做到了。

所以游戏,对我们来说意味着更多。

这绝对意味着更多。

所以现在,这是一个突然的转变。

有三年
我确实有一份真正的工作,有点。

我是大学
游戏教学部门的负责人,

所以,再一次,这是一份真正的工作

,现在我要谈谈制作它们
而不是制作它们。

当你是一个部门的主席时,其中的一部分工作

就是吃饭,我做得很好

——所以我
和这个叫 Zig Jackson 的人共进晚餐。

这是这张照片中的 Zig,
这也是 Zig 的照片之一。

他是一名摄影师。

他到全国各地
为自己拍照

,你可以在这里看到他有
Zig 的印第安保留地。

而这个特殊的镜头——

这是更传统的镜头之一。

这是一个雨舞者。

这是我最喜欢的照片之一。

所以你可以看看这个,也许
你甚至见过这样的事情。

这是一种文化的表达,对吧?

这实际上
来自他的退化系列。

这个系列最让我着迷的

是,看看那里的那个小男孩,
你能想象吗?

我们可以看到这是
一个传统的美洲原住民。

现在我只想改变那个人的种族。

想象一下,如果那是一个黑人。

所以,“亲爱的,过来,让我们给
你和那个黑人合影。” 对?

就像,说真的,没有人会这样做。

它使头脑感到困惑。

因此,身为印度人的
Zig 也让他感到困惑。

他最喜欢的照片——

我最喜欢的他的照片
,我在这里没有——

是印第安人在给白人
拍照,给印第安人拍照。

(笑声)

所以我碰巧
和这位摄影师共进晚餐

,他正在
和另一位摄影师

谈论发生的枪击事件

,那是在印第安保留地。

他带着他的相机去
那里拍照,

但是当他到达那里时,
他发现他做不到。

他只是无法捕捉到照片。

所以他们就
这个问题来回讨论。

你拍照还是不拍照?

作为一名游戏设计师,这对我来说很有吸引力,

因为我从来没有想过,我

是否应该围绕这个困难的话题制作游戏?

因为我们只是做一些有趣的事情,

或者会让你感到恐惧,
那种发自内心的兴奋。

但是其他所有媒体都会这样做。

所以这是我的孩子。

这是 Maezza,当她
七岁的时候,

有一天她放学回家

,就像我每天做的那样,
我问她:“你今天做了什么?”

所以她说:“我们
谈到了中段。”

现在,这是一个重要的时刻。
Maezza 的父亲是黑人

,我知道这一天即将到来。

我没想到会在七点钟,
我不知道为什么,但我没有。

无论如何,所以我问她,
“你觉得怎么样?”

所以她继续告诉我

,所以你们中的任何一个
父母都会认出这里的宾果流行语。

“这些船从英国出发
,从英国下来

,然后到非洲
,然后穿过大洋——

那是中间航道部分——

它们来到美国,在
那里出售奴隶,”她告诉我。

But Abraham Lincoln was elected president,

and then he passed
the Emancipation Proclamation,

and now they’re free.

暂停约 10 秒钟。

“我可以玩游戏吗,妈妈?”

我想,就这样吗?
所以,你知道,

这是中间通道,
这是一个非常重要的事件

,她对待它就像,基本上是
一些黑人去巡航,

这或多或少对她来说是这样的。

(笑声

) 所以,对我来说,
我想要更多的价值,

所以当她
问她是否可以玩游戏时,我说,“是的。”

(笑声

) 所以我碰巧拥有了
所有这些小碎片。

我是一名游戏设计师,所以
我的房子周围都有这些东西。

我说,“是的,你可以玩一个游戏”,
然后我给了她一堆这些

,我告诉她
在不同的家庭中画它们。

这些是 Maezza 小时候的照片
——

天啊,看到这些我还是会哽咽。

所以她在画她的小家庭。

所以我抓了一堆,
然后把它们放在船上。

这就是船
,很明显,它造得很快。

所以它的基本要点是,
我抓了一堆家庭

,她就像,“妈妈,
但你忘记了粉红色的婴儿

,你忘记了蓝色的爸爸

,你忘记了所有其他的东西。”

她说,“他们想去。”

我说,“亲爱的,
不,他们不想走。

这是中间通道,没有人
想走中间通道。”

所以她给了我一个只有
游戏设计师的女儿才会给母亲的眼神

,当我们
按照这些规则穿越大洋时,

她意识到她正在滚
得很高

,她对我说,
“我们” 我不会成功的。”

她意识到,
我们没有足够的食物

,所以她问该怎么办

,我说——记住,她七岁——

“我们可以把
一些人放在水里,

或者我们希望他们不要 生病了

,我们就到了另一边。”

只是她脸上的表情出现了-

现在请注意,这是一个月之后-

这是黑人历史月,对吗?

一个月后,她对我说:
“这真的发生了吗?”

我说:“是的。” 所以她说——

这是她的兄弟姐妹——

“如果我从树林里出来,
阿瓦隆和多诺万可能会离开。”

“是的。”

“但我会在美国见到他们。”

“不。”

“但如果我看到他们怎么办?
我们不能在一起吗?”

“所以爸爸可能会走了。”

“是的。”

她对此很着迷
,她开始哭,

我开始哭,她父亲
开始哭,现在我们都在哭。

他没想到下班回家会
到中间通道,但事情就是这样。

因此,我们制作了这款游戏,她得到了它。

她得到它是因为她花时间
和这些人在一起。

它不是
小册子或电影中的抽象东西。

所以这只是一次令人难以置信的
强大体验。

这就是游戏,我最终
称它为“新世界”,

因为我喜欢这个词。

我不认为新世界
对被带到奴隶船上的人们感到太新的世俗刺激

但是当这发生时,
我看到了整个星球; 我是如此兴奋。

我已经制作游戏 20 多年了,

然后我决定再做一次。

我的历史是爱尔兰的。

所以这是一款名为“Síochán Leat”的游戏。
是“愿你平安”。

在一场比赛中,这就是我家族的全部历史。

我制作了另一个名为“火车”的游戏。

我正在制作一系列涵盖困难主题的六款游戏

,如果您要涵盖一个困难的
主题,这是您需要涵盖的一个

,我会让
您自己弄清楚这是什么。

我还制作了一个
关于泪痕的游戏。

这是一个
有 50,000 个独立棋子的游戏。

当我决定开始它时,我很疯狂,
但我现在正处于它的中间。

这是同一件事。

我希望我
能通过这些游戏来教授文化。

而我现在正在做的一个游戏
——

因为我正身处其中,

而这些出于某种原因
让我像疯了一样窒息——

是一款名为
“墨西哥厨房工人”的游戏。

最初,它
或多或少是一个数学问题。


是非法移民的经济学。


对墨西哥文化了解得越多——

我的伴侣是墨西哥人
——我就越了解,

你知道,对我们所有人来说,
食物是基本需求

,显然墨西哥人也是如此,
但远不止于此 .

这是一种爱的表达。
这是一种表达——

上帝,我完全窒息了,
比我想象的要多。

我会把目光从图片上移开。

这是一种美丽的表达,
这是他们说他们爱你的方式。

这就是他们说他们关心的方式,

如果不在第一句话中说“食物”,你就无法听到有人
谈论他们的墨西哥祖母

所以对我来说,这种美丽的文化,

这种美丽的表达方式
是我想通过游戏捕捉的东西。

所以游戏,为了改变,
它改变了我们看待话题的方式,

它改变了我们对
话题中那些人的看法

,它改变了我们自己。

作为人,我们通过游戏而改变,

因为我们参与其中,我们在玩

,我们在学习的同时也在学习。

谢谢你。