The quest to understand consciousness Antonio Damasio

here to talk about the vendor and the

mystery of conscious minds the wonder is

about the fact that we all woke up this

morning and we had with it the amazing

return of our conscious mind

we recovered minds with a complete sense

of self in the complete sense of our own

existence and we hardly ever pause to

consider this wonder we should in fact

because without having this possibility

of conscious Minds

we would have no knowledge whatsoever

about our humanity we would have no

knowledge whatsoever about the world we

would have no pains but also no Joy’s we

would have no access to love or to the

ability to create and of course scott

Fitzgerald said famously that he who

invented consciousness would have a lot

to be blamed for but he also forgot that

without consciousness you would have no

access to true happiness and even to the

possibility of transcendence so much for

the wonder now for the mystery this is a

mystery that has really been extremely

hard to elucidate all the way back into

early philosophy and certainly

throughout the history of neuroscience

this has been one mystery that has

always resisted elucidation has caused

major controversies and there actually

many people that think that we should

not even touch it we should just leave

it alone it’s not to be solved I don’t

believe that and I think the situation

is changing it would be ridiculous to

claim that we know how we make

consciousness in our in our brains but

we certainly can begin to approach the

question and we can begin to see the

shape of a solution and one more wonder

to celebrate is the fact that we have

imaging technologies that now allow us

to go inside the human brain and be able

to do for example what you’re seeing

right now these are images that come

from Hana DiMaggio’s lab and would show

you in a living brain the reconstruction

of that brain and this is a person who

is alive this is not a person that is

being studied at autopsy and even more

and this is something that one can be

really amazed about is what I’m going to

show you next which is going underneath

the surface of the brain and actually

looking in the living brain at real

connections real pathways so all of

those colored lines correspond to

bunches of axons the fibers that join

cell bodies to synapses and I’m sorry to

disappoint you they don’t come in color

but at any rate they are there the

colors are codes for the direction for

whether it is back to front or vice

versa

at any rate what is consciousness what

is a conscious mind and we could take a

very simple view and say well it is that

which we lose when we fall into deep

sleep without dreams or when we go under

anesthesia and it is what we regain when

we recover from sleep or from anesthesia

but what is exactly that stuff that we

lose under anesthesia or when we are in

deep dreamless sleep well first of all

it is a mind which is a flow of mental

images and of course consider images

that can be sensory patterns visuals

such as you are having right now in

relation to the stage and me or auditory

images as you’re having now in relation

to my to my words that flow of mental

images is mind but there is something

else that we are all experiencing in

this room we are not passive exhibitors

of visual or auditory or tactile images

we have selves we have Amy that is

automatically present in our minds right

now we own

mine’s and we have a sense that it’s

every one of us that is experiencing

this not the person who is sitting next

to you so in order to have a conscious

mind you have a self within the

conscious mind so a conscious mind is a

mind with the self in it the self

introduces a subjective perspective in

the mind and we are only fully conscious

when self comes to mind so what we need

to know to even address this mystery is

number one how Minds are put together in

the brain and number two how selves are

constructed now the first part the first

problem is relatively easy it’s not easy

at all but it is something that has been

approached gradually in your science and

it’s quite clear that in order to make

Minds we need to construct neural maps

so imagine a grid like the one I’m

showing you right now and now imagine

within that grid that two-dimensional

cheese imagine neurons and picture if

you will a billboard a digital billboard

where you have elements that can be

either lit or not and depending on how

you create the pattern of lighting or

not lighting the digital elements or for

that matter the neurons in the sheet

you’re going to be able to construct a

map this is of course a visual map that

I’m showing you but this applies to any

kind of map auditory for example in

relation to sound frequencies or to the

maps that we construct with our skin in

relation to an object that we palpate

now to bring home the point of how close

it is the relationship between the grid

of neurons and the topographical

arrangement of the activity of the

neurons and our mental experience I’m

going to tell you a personal story so if

I cover my left eye I’m talking about me

personally not all of you if I cover my

left eye I look at the grid pretty much

like the one I’m sure

everything is nice and fine and

perpendicular but some time ago I

discovered that if I cover my left eye

instead what I get is this I look at the

grid and I see a warping at the edge of

my central left field

very odd I’ve analyzed this for a while

but some time ago

through the help of an ophthalmologist

colleague of mine

Carmen Polly food Vito who developed a

laser scanner of the retina I found out

the following if I scan my retina

through the horizontal plane that you

see there in the little corner what I

get is the following on the right side

my retina is perfectly symmetrical you

see the going down towards the fovea

where the optic nerve begins but on my

left retina there is a bump which is

marked there by the red arrow and it

corresponds to a little cyst that is

located below and that is exactly what

causes the warping of my visual image so

just think of this you have a grid of

neurons and now you have a plane

mechanical change in the position of the

grid and you get a warping of your

mental experience so this is how close

your mental experience and the activity

of the neurons in the retina which is a

part of the brain located in the eyeball

or for that matter a sheath of visual

cortex so from the retina you go on to

visual cortex and of course the brain

adds on a lot of information to what is

going on in the signals that come from

the retina and in that image there you

see a variety of islands of what I call

image making regions in the brain you

have the green for example that

corresponds to tactile information or

the blue that corresponds to auditory

information and something else that

happens is that those image-making

regions where you have the plotting of

all these neural maps can then provide

signals to this ocean of purple that you

see around which is Association cortex

where you can make records of what went

on in the

islands of image-making and the great

beauty is that you can then go from

memory out of those association cortices

and produce back images in the very same

regions that had perception so think

about how wonderfully convenient and

lazy that the brain is so it provides

certain areas for perception and image

making and those are exactly the same

that are going to be used for image

making when we recall information so so

far the mystery of the conscious mind is

diminishing a little bit because we have

a general sense of how we make these

images but what about the self the self

is really the elusive problem and for a

long time people did not even want to

touch it and because they say how can

you have this sort of reference point

this stability that is required to

maintain the continuity of cells day

after day and I thought about a solution

to this problem is the following we

generate brain maps of the body’s

interior and use them as the reference

for all other maps so let me tell you

just a little bit about how I came to

this I came to this because if you’re

going to have a reference that we know

as self than me the eye

in in our own processing we need to have

something that is stable something that

does not deviate much from day to day

well it so happens that we have a

singular body we have one body not two

not three and so that the beginning

there is just one reference point which

is the body but then of course the body

has many parts and things grow at

different rates and they have different

sizes in different people however not so

with the interior the things that have

to do with what is known as our internal

milieu for example the whole management

of the chemistry’s within our body are

in fact extremely maintained they have

today for one very good reason

if you

we ate too much in the parameters that

are close to the midline of that

life-permitting survival range you go

into disease or death so we have an

inbuilt system within our own lives

that ensures some kind of continuity I

like to call it an almost infinite

sameness from day to day because if you

don’t have that sameness physiologically

you’re going to be sick

or you’re going to die so that’s one

more element for this continuity and the

final thing is that there is a very

tight coupling between the regulation of

our body within the brain and the body

itself unlike any other coupling so for

example I’m making images of you but

there’s no physiological bond between

the images I have a view as an audience

and my brain however there is a closed

permanently permanently maintained bond

between the body regulating parts of my

brain and my own body so here’s how it

looks look at the region there there is

the brainstem in between the cerebral

cortex and the spinal cord and it is

within that region that I’m going to

highlight now that we have this housing

of all the life regulation devices of a

body this is so specific that for

example if you look at the part that is

colored in red in the upper part of the

brainstem if you damage that as a result

of a stroke for example what you get is

coma or vegetative state which in a

state of course in which your mind

disappears your consciousness disappears

and what happens then actually is that

you lose the grounding of the self you

have no longer access to any feeling of

your own existence and in fact there can

be images going on being formed in

several cortex except you don’t know

they’re there you you have in effect

lost consciousness when you have damage

to that red

section of the brainstem but if you

consider the green part of the brainstem

nothing like that happens it is that

specific so in that green component of

the brainstem if you damage it and often

it happens what you get is complete

paralysis but your conscious mind is

maintained you feel you know you have a

fully conscious mind that you can report

very indirectly this is a horrific

condition you don’t want to see it and

people are in fact imprisoned within

their own bodies but they do have a mind

there was a very interesting film one of

the rare good films done about the

situation like this by Julian Schnabel

some some years ago about a patient that

was in that condition so now I’m going

to show you a picture I promise not to

say anything about this except this is

to frighten you it’s just to tell you

that in that red section of the

brainstem there are to make it simple

all those little squares that correspond

to modules that actually make brain maps

of different aspects of our Interior

different aspects of our body they are

exquisitely topographic and they are

exclusively interconnected in a

recursive pattern and it is out of this

and out of this tight coupling between

the brainstem and the body that I

believe and I could be wrong but I don’t

think I am that you generate this

mapping of the body that provides the

grounding for the self and that comes in

the form of feelings primordial feelings

by the way so what is the picture that

we get here look at several cortex look

at brainstem look at body and you get a

picture in the interconnectivity in

which you have the brainstem providing

the grounding for the self in a very

tight interconnection with the body and

you have the several cortex providing

the great spectacle of our minds with

the profusion of images that are in fact

the contents of our minds and that we

normally pay most attention to as we

should because that’s really the film

that is rolling in our minds but look at

the the errors that not therefore looks

there there because there is this very

close interaction you cannot have a

conscious mind if you don’t have the

interaction between several cortex and

brainstem you cannot have a conscious

mind if you don’t have the interaction

between the brainstem and the body

another thing that is interesting is

that the brainstem that we have is

shared with a variety of other species

so throughout vertebrates the design of

the brainstem is very similar to ours

which is one of the reasons why I think

those other species have conscious Minds

like we do except that they’re not as

rich as ours because they don’t have a

cerebral cortex like we do that’s where

the difference is and I strongly

disagree with the idea that

consciousness should be considered as

the great product of the cerebral cortex

only the wealth of our minds is not the

very fact that we have a self that we

can refer to our own existence and that

we have any sense of a person now there

are three levels of self to consider the

proto the core and the autobiographical

the first two are shared with many many

other species and they are really coming

out largely of the brainstem and

whatever there is of cortex in those

species it’s the autobiographical self

which some species have I think

cetaceans and primates have also an

autobiographical self to a certain

degree and everybody’s dogs at home have

an autobiographical self to a certain

degree but the novelty is here the

autobiographical self is built on the

basis of past memories and memories of

the plants that we have made it’s the

lift past and the anticipated future and

the autobiographical self has prompted

extended memory reasoning imagination

creativity and language and out of that

came the instruments of culture

religions

justice trade the arts science

technology and it is within that

sure that we really can get and this is

the novelty something that is not

entirely set by our biology it is

developed in the cultures it developed

in collectives of human beings and this

is of course the culture where we have

developed something that I like to call

socio-cultural regulation and finally

you could rightly ask why care about

this why care if it is the brain stem of

the several cortex and how this is made

three reasons first curiosity primates

are extremely curious and humans most of

all and if we are interested for example

in the fact that anti-gravity spooling

galaxies away from the earth why should

we not be interested in what is going on

inside of human beings second

understanding society and culture we

should look at how society and culture

in this socio-cultural regulation are a

work in progress

and finally medicine let’s not forget

that some of the worst diseases of

humankind are diseases such as

depression Alzheimer’s disease drug

addiction think of strokes that can

devastate your mind or render you

unconscious

you have no prayer of understanding how

the treating those diseases effectively

and in a non serendipitous way if you do

not know how this works

so that’s a very good reason beyond

curiosity to justify what we’re doing

and to justify having some interest in

what is going on in our brains thank you

for your attention

在这里谈论供应商和

意识头脑的奥秘 奇迹是

关于我们今天早上都醒来的事实

,我们有

意识头脑的惊人回归,

我们恢复了头脑,完全意义上

的自我意识

我们几乎不会停下来

思考这个奇迹,我们实际上应该这样做,

因为如果没有

意识头脑的这种可能性,

我们将不会

对我们的人性有

任何了解,我们将不会对世界有任何了解,

我们不会痛苦 没有喜悦,我们

将无法获得爱或创造的

能力,当然,斯科特

·菲茨杰拉德(scott Fitzgerald)有句名言,

发明意识的人会受到

很多指责,但他也忘记了

没有意识,你将无法

获得真正的幸福 甚至对于

超越的可能性,

现在对于奥秘来说,这是一个

非常

难以解释的奥秘 一直追溯到

早期哲学,当然

在整个神经科学史上,

这一直是一个

一直抵制阐明的谜团,引起了

重大争议,实际上有

很多人认为我们

甚至不应该碰它,我们应该

不管它,它不是 有待解决 我不

相信,而且我认为情况

正在发生变化

声称我们知道我们如何

在我们的大脑中产生意识是荒谬的,但

我们当然可以开始处理这个

问题,我们可以开始看到

解决方案的形式和另一个值得

庆祝的奇迹是,我们拥有的

成像技术现在允许

我们进入人脑并

能够做例如你现在看到的

这些是

来自 Hana DiMaggio 的图像 实验室,并会

在一个活的大脑中向你展示

那个大脑的重建,这是一个

活着的人,这不是一个

正在尸检的人,甚至

更多 这是一个

真正令人惊讶的事情,接下来我

要向你展示的是,它进入

大脑表面之下,实际上是

在活的大脑中观察真实的

连接,真实的路径,所以所有

这些彩色线都对应于

成束的轴突 将

细胞体连接到突触的纤维 我很抱歉

让你失望 它们没有颜色

但无论如何它们在那里

颜色是方向的代码,

无论是从后到前还是反之亦然

无论如何,什么是意识 什么

是有意识的头脑,我们可以采取一个

非常简单的观点,说得好,它是

我们在

没有梦想的情况下进入深度睡眠或处于

麻醉状态时失去的东西,当我们恢复时,它是我们恢复的东西

从睡眠或麻醉中恢复,

但我们

在麻醉下或当我们处于

深度无梦睡眠

中时失去的东西到底是什么

? t 可以是感觉模式 视觉效果,

例如你现在

对舞台和我的看法

,也可以是听觉图像,就像你现在

对我和我的话语的关系

一样 所有人都在

这个房间里体验 我们不是

视觉、听觉或触觉图像的被动展示者

我们拥有我们自己的艾米

我们现在自动出现在我们的脑海中

我们拥有

我的 我们有一种感觉

是我们每个人都在经历

这不是坐在你旁边的人,

所以为了有一个有意识的

头脑,你在有意识的头脑中有一个自我,

所以一个有意识的头脑是一个

有自我的头脑,自我在头脑中

引入了一个主观的观点

,我们是 只有

当自我浮现在脑海中时才完全有意识,所以我们

需要知道,甚至解决这个谜团是

第一,思想是如何在大脑中组合在一起的

,第二,自我

现在是如何构建的。第一部分第一

部分 问题相对容易,一点也不简单

,但它是

在你们的科学中逐渐接近

的东西,很明显,为了制作

头脑,我们需要构建神经图,

所以想象一个像我

向你展示的那样的网格 现在和现在想象

在那个网格中,二维

奶酪想象神经元和图片,如果

你要一个广告牌,一个数字广告牌

,你有

可以点亮或不点亮的元素,这取决于

你如何创建照明模式或

不点亮数字 元素或

就此而言,您将能够构建地图的工作表中的神经元

这当然是

我向您展示的视觉地图,但这适用于任何

类型的听觉地图,例如

与声音频率有关的地图 或者

我们用我们的皮肤构建的地图,

与我们现在触摸的物体相关,

以带回家

神经元网格和地形

排列之间的关系有多密切的点 神经元的活动

和我们的心理体验 我

要告诉你一个个人故事 所以如果

我遮住左眼 我是在谈论我

个人 不是你们所有人 如果我遮住

左眼 我看着网格

很像那个,我确信

一切都很好,很好,

垂直,但前段时间我

发现如果我遮住我的左眼

,我得到的是这个,我看着

网格,我看到我的边缘有一个翘曲

中央左视野

非常奇怪我已经分析了一段时间,

但前一段时间

在我的眼科医生同事

Carmen Polly food Vito 的帮助下,他开发

了视网膜激光扫描仪,

如果我

通过 你

在小角落看到的水平面 我

得到的是右侧的以下内容

在那里 ed 箭头,它

对应于位于下方的一个小囊肿,这正是

导致我的视觉图像扭曲的原因,

所以想想这个你有一个

神经元网格,现在你

在网格的位置上有一个平面机械变化

你的心理体验会发生扭曲,

所以这就是

你的心理体验和

视网膜中神经元的活动有多接近

你继续到

视觉皮层,当然,大脑

在来自视网膜的信号中添加了很多信息

,在那个图像中,你会

看到我称之为

图像制作区域的各种岛屿。 大脑你

有绿色例如

对应于触觉信息

或蓝色对应于听觉

信息和其他

发生的事情是

那些你有所有t的绘图的图像制作区域

然后,这些神经图可以向

你看到的紫色海洋提供信号,

周围是联想皮质

,在那里你可以记录在

图像制作的岛屿上发生的事情,

最棒的是你可以从

记忆中走出来 那些关联皮层

并在

具有感知的相同区域产生背景图像所以

想想大脑是多么的方便和

懒惰,因此它提供了

某些区域用于感知和图像

制作,而

那些将被用于

到目前为止,当我们回忆信息

时,意识头脑的神秘感正在

逐渐消失,因为我们

对如何制作这些图像有一个普遍的认识,

但是关于自我,

自我真的是难以捉摸的问题,

长期以来人们 甚至不想

碰它,因为他们说你怎么能

有这种参考点

这种稳定性是

维持细胞连续性所必需的

r 天,我想到了一个

解决这个问题的方法,我们

生成身体内部的大脑地图,

并将它们

用作所有其他地图的参考,所以让我告诉你

我是如何做到

这一点的 这是因为如果您

要获得一个我们比我所知的自我的参考,

我们自己的处理过程中的眼睛,我们需要有

一些稳定的东西,

每天不会有太大的偏差

,所以碰巧我们有 一个

单一的身体,我们有一个身体而不是两个

而不是三个,所以一开始

只有一个参考点,那

就是身体,但是当然身体

有很多部分,事物以

不同的速度生长,并且它们

在不同的人身上有不同的大小

内部情况并非如此,

与我们所谓的内部

环境有关的事情,例如,

我们体内化学物质的整个管理

实际上都得到了极大的维护,他们

今天拥有一个很好的理由

如果你

接近

允许生命的生存范围中线的参数中吃得太多,你

就会生病或死亡,所以

我们在自己的生活中有一个内置系统

,可以确保某种连续性,我

喜欢称之为

每天几乎无限的相同,因为如果你

在生理上没有这种相同,

你就会生病

或者你会死,所以这

是这种连续性的另一个因素,

最后一件事是有一个非常

紧的

大脑中我们身体的调节与身体

本身之间的耦合不同于任何其他耦合,

例如,我正在制作你的图像,但

我作为观众看到的图像

与我的大脑之间没有生理联系,但是有一个

在我

大脑的调节部分和我自己的身体之间关闭永久保持的联系,所以这就是它的

外观如何看待

大脑皮层和脊柱之间的脑干区域

l 绳子

,现在我要强调的是在那个区域内,

我们有

一个身体所有生命调节装置的外壳,

这是非常具体的,

例如,如果你看一下图中红色的部分

如果您

因中风而损坏脑干上部,例如,您会

陷入昏迷或植物人状态,

在这种状态下,您的思想当然会

消失,您的意识也会消失,

而实际上发生的事情是

您失去了基础 对自我

你不再有任何关于

你自己存在的感觉,事实上

可能在几个皮层中正在形成图像,

除非你不知道

它们在那里 你实际上已经

失去了意识 当你受到伤害时

脑干的那个红色部分,但是如果你

考虑脑干的绿色部分,

没有类似的事情会发生

,所以在脑干的那个绿色部分

中,如果你损坏它并且

经常发生你所想的 get 是完全

瘫痪,但你的意识

保持不变 你觉得你知道你有一个

完全有意识的头脑,你可以

非常间接地报告这是一个可怕的

情况,你不想看到它,

人们实际上被囚禁在

他们自己的身体里,但是 他们确实有想法

有一部非常有趣的电影,

这是几年前朱利安·施纳贝尔(Julian Schnabel)关于这种情况的罕见的好电影之一,

关于一个

处于这种情况的病人,所以现在我

要给你看一张我的照片 保证不

说这件事,

除了吓唬你,只是告诉你

,在脑干的那个红色部分,

所有那些对应

于模块的小方块都让它变得简单,这些模块实际上制作

了我们不同方面的脑图。

在我们身体的不同方面,它们具有

精美的拓扑结构,并且它们

以递归模式完全相互连接,

并且它们

之间的紧密耦合是出于这种和

我相信的脑干和身体,

我可能是错的,但我不

认为我是你生成

的身体映射,它

为自我提供了基础,并且

以感觉的形式出现

,顺便说一句,原始感觉 我们在这里得到的图片是什么

看看几个皮层

看看脑干 看看身体,你会得到

一张相互连接的图片,

其中你的脑干

与身体的紧密互连中为自我提供基础,

你有 几个大脑皮层为

我们的大脑提供

了丰富的图像,这些图像实际上

是我们大脑的内容,

我们通常应该最关注这些图像,

因为这确实

是我们脑海中滚动的电影,但

看看 错误因此看起来不在

那里,因为有这种非常

密切的相互作用,如果你没有几个皮层和脑干之间的相互作用,你就不可能有一个

有意识的头脑。

如果你没有

脑干和身体之间的相互作用,就不可能有一个有意识的头脑

另一件有趣的事情是

,我们拥有的脑干

与许多其他物种共享,

所以在整个脊椎动物中

,脑干的设计非常相似

这就是为什么我认为

其他物种像我们一样有有意识的头脑的原因之一,

只是它们没有

我们的丰富,因为它们没有

像我们那样的大脑皮层,这就是

区别所在,我强烈

不同意

意识应该被认为是

大脑皮层的伟大产物的观点

只是我们思想的财富

并不是我们有一个

可以参考我们自己的存在的自我以及

我们对一个人有任何感觉的事实 现在

有三个层次的自我来考虑

原始核心和自传式

前两个与许多

其他物种共享,它们实际上

主要来自脑干

无论这些物种有什么皮层,都是一些

物种的自传式自我

,我认为

鲸类和灵长类动物在一定程度上也有

自传式的自我

,家里的每个人的狗在一定程度上

都有自传式的自我,

但新奇之处就在这里

自传式自我建立在

过去的记忆和植物记忆的基础上

,我们已经把它

提升过去和预期的未来

,自传式自我促进了

扩展记忆推理想象力

创造力和语言,

由此产生了文化宗教的工具

正义交易艺术科学

技术,这是

我们真正可以得到的,这

是新奇的东西,它并不

完全由我们的生物学决定,

它是在人类集体发展的文化中发展起来的

这当然是 文化,我们

发展了一些我喜欢称之为

社会文化监管的东西 最后

你可以正确地问为什么关心

这个为什么关心它是否

是几个皮层的脑干以及这是如何产生的

三个原因首先好奇的灵长类

动物非常好奇,最重要的是人类

,如果我们感兴趣,

例如 反重力使

星系远离地球 为什么

我们不应该对人类内部发生的事情感兴趣

第二次

了解社会和文化 我们

应该看看社会和文化

在这种社会文化调节中是

如何进行的

,最后 医学 我们不要忘记

人类最严重的一些疾病是

抑郁症 阿尔茨海默病 药物

成瘾 想想可能会

破坏你的思想或使你

失去知觉的中风

你没有祈祷了解

如何有效地、非偶然地治疗这些疾病

方式如果你

不知道这是如何工作的,

那么这是一个很好的理由,除了

好奇来证明我们正在做的事情

是合理的 d 证明

对我们大脑中发生的事情感兴趣是有道理的,

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