What will humans look like in 100 years Juan Enriquez

Here’s a question that matters.

[Is it ethical to evolve the human body?]

Because we’re beginning to get all
the tools together to evolve ourselves.

And we can evolve bacteria
and we can evolve plants

and we can evolve animals,

and we’re now reaching a point
where we really have to ask,

is it really ethical
and do we want to evolve human beings?

And as you’re thinking about that,

let me talk about that
in the context of prosthetics,

prosthetics past, present, future.

So this is the iron hand

that belonged to one of the German counts.

Loved to fight, lost his arm
in one of these battles.

No problem, he just made a suit of armor,

put it on,

perfect prosthetic.

That’s where the concept
of ruling with an iron fist comes from.

And of course these prosthetics
have been getting more and more useful,

more and more modern.

You can hold soft-boiled eggs.

You can have all types of controls,
and as you’re thinking about that,

there are wonderful people like Hugh Herr

who have been building
absolutely extraordinary prosthetics.

So the wonderful Aimee Mullins
will go out and say,

how tall do I want to be tonight?

Or Hugh will say what type of cliff
do I want to climb?

Or does somebody want to run a marathon,
or does somebody want to ballroom dance?

And as you adapt these things,

the interesting thing about prosthetics
is they’ve been coming inside the body.

So these external prosthetics
have now become artificial knees.

They’ve become artificial hips.

And then they’ve evolved further

to become not just nice to have

but essential to have.

So when you’re talking
about a heart pacemaker as a prosthetic,

you’re talking about something
that isn’t just, “I’m missing my leg,”

it’s, “if I don’t have this, I can die.”

And at that point, a prosthetic
becomes a symbiotic relationship

with the human body.

And four of the smartest people
that I’ve ever met –

Ed Boyden, Hugh Herr,
Joe Jacobson, Bob Lander –

are working on a Center
for Extreme Bionics.

And the interesting thing
of what you’re seeing here is

these prosthetics
now get integrated into the bone.

They get integrated into the skin.

They get integrated into the muscle.

And one of the other sides of Ed

is he’s been thinking
about how to connect the brain

using light or other mechanisms

directly to things like these prosthetics.

And if you can do that,

then you can begin changing
fundamental aspects of humanity.

So how quickly you react to something
depends on the diameter of a nerve.

And of course, if you have nerves
that are external or prosthetic,

say with light or liquid metal,

then you can increase that diameter

and you could even increase it
theoretically to the point where,

as long as you could see the muzzle flash,
you could step out of the way of a bullet.

Those are the order of magnitude
of changes you’re talking about.

This is a fourth
sort of level of prosthetics.

These are Phonak hearing aids,

and the reason
why these are so interesting

is because they cross the threshold
from where prosthetics are something

for somebody who is “disabled”

and they become something
that somebody who is “normal”

might want to actually have,

because what this prosthetic does,
which is really interesting,

is not only does it help you hear,

you can focus your hearing,

so it can hear the conversation
going on over there.

You can have superhearing.

You can have hearing in 360 degrees.
You can have white noise.

You can record, and oh, by the way,
they also put a phone into this.

So this functions as your hearing aid
and also as your phone.

And at that point, somebody might actually
want to have a prosthetic voluntarily.

All of these thousands
of loosely connected little pieces

are coming together,

and it’s about time we ask the question,

how do we want to evolve human beings
over the next century or two?

And for that we turn
to a great philosopher

who was a very smart man
despite being a Yankee fan.

(Laughter)

And Yogi Berra used to say, of course,
that it’s very tough to make predictions,

especially about the future.

(Laughter)

So instead of making a prediction
about the future to begin with,

let’s take what’s happening in the present
with people like Tony Atala,

who is redesigning 30-some-odd organs.

And maybe the ultimate prosthetic
isn’t having something external, titanium.

Maybe the ultimate prosthetic
is take your own gene code,

remake your own body parts,

because that’s a whole lot more effective
than any kind of a prosthetic.

But while you’re at it, then you can take
the work of Craig Venter and Ham Smith.

And one of the things
that we’ve been doing

is trying to figure out
how to reprogram cells.

And if you can reprogram a cell,

then you can change the cells
in those organs.

So if you can change
the cells in those organs,

maybe you make those organs
more radiation-resistant.

Maybe you make them absorb more oxygen.

Maybe you make them more efficient

to filter out stuff
that you don’t want in your body.

And over the last few weeks,
George Church has been in the news a lot

because he’s been talking about taking
one of these programmable cells

and inserting an entire human genome

into that cell.

And once you can insert
an entire human genome into a cell,

then you begin to ask the question,

would you want
to enhance any of that genome?

Do you want to enhance a human body?

How would you want
to enhance a human body?

Where is it ethical
to enhance a human body

and where is it not ethical
to enhance a human body?

And all of a sudden, what we’re doing

is we’ve got this
multidimensional chess board

where we can change
human genetics by using viruses

to attack things like AIDS,

or we can change the gene code
through gene therapy

to do away with some hereditary diseases,

or we can change the environment,

and change the expression
of those genes in the epigenome

and pass that on to the next generations.

And all of a sudden,
it’s not just one little bit,

it’s all these stacked little bits

that allow you
to take little portions of it

until all the portions coming together

lead you to something
that’s very different.

And a lot of people
are very scared by this stuff.

And it does sound scary,
and there are risks to this stuff.

So why in the world would you
ever want to do this stuff?

Why would we really want
to alter the human body

in a fundamental way?

The answer lies in part

with Lord Rees,

astronomer royal of Great Britain.

And one of his favorite sayings
is the universe is 100 percent malevolent.

So what does that mean?

It means if you take
any one of your bodies at random,

drop it anywhere in the universe,

drop it in space, you die.

Drop it on the Sun, you die.

Drop it on the surface
of Mercury, you die.

Drop it near a supernova, you die.

But fortunately, it’s only
about 80 percent effective.

So as a great physicist once said,

there’s these little
upstream eddies of biology

that create order
in this rapid torrent of entropy.

So as the universe dissipates energy,

there’s these upstream eddies
that create biological order.

Now, the problem with eddies is,

they tend to disappear.

They shift. They move in rivers.

And because of that, when an eddy shifts,

when the Earth becomes a snowball,
when the Earth becomes very hot,

when the Earth gets hit by an asteroid,
when you have supervolcanoes,

when you have solar flares,

when you have potentially
extinction-level events

like the next election –

(Laughter)

then all of a sudden,
you can have periodic extinctions.

And by the way, that’s happened
five times on Earth,

and therefore it is very likely

that the human species on Earth
is going to go extinct someday.

Not next week,

not next month,

maybe in November,
but maybe 10,000 years after that.

As you’re thinking
of the consequence of that,

if you believe that extinctions
are common and natural

and normal and occur periodically,

it becomes a moral imperative
to diversify our species.

And it becomes a moral imperative

because it’s going to be
really hard to live on Mars

if we don’t fundamentally
modify the human body.

Right?

You go from one cell,

mom and dad coming together
to make one cell,

in a cascade to 10 trillion cells.

We don’t know, if you change
the gravity substantially,

if the same thing will happen
to create your body.

We do know that if you expose
our bodies as they currently are

to a lot of radiation, we will die.

So as you’re thinking of that,
you have to really redesign things

just to get to Mars.

Forget about the moons
of Neptune or Jupiter.

And to borrow from Nikolai Kardashev,

let’s think about life
in a series of scales.

So Life One civilization

is a civilization that begins
to alter his or her looks.

And we’ve been doing that
for thousands of years.

You’ve got tummy tucks
and you’ve got this and you’ve got that.

You alter your looks, and I’m told

that not all of those alterations
take place for medical reasons.

(Laughter)

Seems odd.

A Life Two civilization
is a different civilization.

A Life Two civilization alters
fundamental aspects of the body.

So you put human growth hormone in,
the person grows taller,

or you put x in and the person
gets fatter or loses metabolism

or does a whole series of things,

but you’re altering the functions
in a fundamental way.

To become an intrasolar civilization,

we’re going to have to create
a Life Three civilization,

and that looks very different
from what we’ve got here.

Maybe you splice in
Deinococcus radiodurans

so that the cells can resplice
after a lot of exposure to radiation.

Maybe you breathe by having oxygen
flow through your blood

instead of through your lungs.

But you’re talking about
really radical redesigns,

and one of the interesting things
that’s happened in the last decade

is we’ve discovered
a whole lot of planets out there.

And some of them may be Earth-like.

The problem is, if we ever
want to get to these planets,

the fastest human objects –

Juno and Voyager
and the rest of this stuff –

take tens of thousands of years

to get from here
to the nearest solar system.

So if you want to start exploring
beaches somewhere else,

or you want to see two-sun sunsets,

then you’re talking
about something that is very different,

because you have to change
the timescale and the body of humans

in ways which may be
absolutely unrecognizable.

And that’s a Life Four civilization.

Now, we can’t even begin
to imagine what that might look like,

but we’re beginning to get glimpses

of instruments that might
take us even that far.

And let me give you two examples.

So this is the wonderful Floyd Romesberg,

and one of the things
that Floyd’s been doing

is he’s been playing
with the basic chemistry of life.

So all life on this planet
is made in ATCGs, the four letters of DNA.

All bacteria, all plants,
all animals, all humans, all cows,

everything else.

And what Floyd did is he changed out
two of those base pairs,

so it’s ATXY.

And that means that you now have
a parallel system to make life,

to make babies, to reproduce, to evolve,

that doesn’t mate
with most things on Earth

or in fact maybe with nothing on Earth.

Maybe you make plants
that are immune to all bacteria.

Maybe you make plants
that are immune to all viruses.

But why is that so interesting?

It means that we
are not a unique solution.

It means you can create
alternate chemistries to us

that could be chemistries
adaptable to a very different planet

that could create life and heredity.

The second experiment,

or the other implication
of this experiment,

is that all of you, all life
is based on 20 amino acids.

If you don’t substitute two amino acids,

if you don’t say ATXY,
if you say ATCG + XY,

then you go from
20 building blocks to 172,

and all of a sudden you’ve got
172 building blocks of amino acids

to build life-forms
in very different shapes.

The second experiment to think about
is a really weird experiment

that’s been taking place in China.

So this guy has been transplanting
hundreds of mouse heads.

Right?

And why is that an interesting experiment?

Well, think of the first
heart transplants.

One of the things they used to do

is they used to bring in
the wife or the daughter of the donor

so the donee could tell the doctors,

“Do you recognize this person?
Do you love this person?

Do you feel anything for this person?”

We laugh about that today.

We laugh because we know
the heart is a muscle,

but for hundreds of thousands of years,
or tens of thousands of years,

“I gave her my heart.
She took my heart. She broke my heart.”

We thought this was emotion

and we thought maybe emotions
were transplanted with the heart. Nope.

So how about the brain?

Two possible outcomes to this experiment.

If you can get a mouse

that is functional,

then you can see,

is the new brain a blank slate?

And boy, does that have implications.

Second option:

the new mouse recognizes Minnie Mouse.

The new mouse
remembers what it’s afraid of,

remembers how to navigate the maze,

and if that is true,

then you can transplant
memory and consciousness.

And then the really
interesting question is,

if you can transplant this,
is the only input-output mechanism

this down here?

Or could you transplant
that consciousness into something

that would be very different,

that would last in space,

that would last
tens of thousands of years,

that would be a completely redesigned body

that could hold consciousness
for a long, long period of time?

And let’s come back to the first question:

Why would you ever want to do that?

Well, I’ll tell you why.

Because this is the ultimate selfie.

(Laughter)

This is taken from six billion miles away,

and that’s Earth.

And that’s all of us.

And if that little thing goes,
all of humanity goes.

And the reason you want
to alter the human body

is because you eventually
want a picture that says,

that’s us, and that’s us,

and that’s us,

because that’s the way humanity
survives long-term extinction.

And that’s the reason why it turns out

it’s actually unethical
not to evolve the human body

even though it can be scary,
even though it can be challenging,

but it’s what’s going
to allow us to explore, live

and get to places
we can’t even dream of today,

but which our great-great-great-great-
grandchildren might someday.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

这是一个很重要的问题。

[进化人体是否合乎道德?]

因为我们开始将
所有工具整合在一起来进化自己。

我们可以进化细菌
,我们可以进化植物

,我们可以进化动物

,我们现在已经到了一个
我们真的要问的地步

,这真的合乎
道德吗?我们想进化人类吗?

当你在思考这个问题时,

让我
在假肢的背景下谈谈这个问题,

假肢的过去、现在和未来。

所以这

是属于德国伯爵的铁腕。

喜欢战斗,在其中一场战斗中失去了手臂

没问题,他只是做了一套盔甲,

穿上它,

完美的假肢。

铁腕统治的概念由此而来。

当然,这些假肢
变得越来越有用,

越来越现代。

你可以拿着煮熟的鸡蛋。

你可以拥有所有类型的控制
,当你考虑到这一点时,

有像 Hugh Herr

这样优秀的人一直在制造
绝对非凡的假肢。

所以出色的 Aimee Mullins
会出来说,

今晚我想长多高?

或者休会说我想爬什么样的悬崖

或者有人想跑马拉松,
或者有人想跳国标舞?

当你适应这些东西时,

关于假肢的有趣之处
在于它们已经进入了身体。

所以这些外置
假肢现在变成了人工膝关节。

它们已经变成了人造臀部。

然后它们进一步发展

,不仅变得很好,

而且必不可少。

因此,当您
谈论将心脏起搏器作为假肢时,

您所谈论
的不仅仅是“我失去了我的腿

”,而是“如果我没有这个,我会死。 "

到那时,假肢
就成为与人体的共生关系

我见过的四个最聪明的人

——Ed Boyden、Hugh Herr、
Joe Jacobson、Bob Lander——正在

为极限仿生学中心工作。

你在这里看到的有趣的事情是

这些假肢
现在已经融入了骨骼。

它们融入皮肤。

它们融入肌肉。

Ed 的另一面

是他一直在
思考如何

使用光或其他机制将大脑

直接连接到这些假肢之类的东西上。

如果你能做到这一点,

那么你就可以开始改变
人性的基本方面。

所以你对某事的反应速度
取决于神经的直径。

当然,如果你
有外部的或修复的神经,

比如轻金属或液态金属,

那么你可以增加直径

,理论上你甚至可以增加到这样
的程度,

只要你能看到枪口闪光,
你 可以避开子弹。

这些是
您正在谈论的变化的数量级。

这是第四
类假肢。

这些是峰力助听器,

之所以如此有趣,

是因为它们跨越了
假肢

对于“残疾”人来说是某种

东西的门槛,它们成为
“正常”人

可能想要真正拥有的东西,

因为 这个假肢的作用
,真的很有趣,

它不仅可以帮助你听,

还可以集中你的听力,

所以它可以听到
那边正在进行的对话。

你可以拥有超级听力。

您可以 360 度全方位聆听。
你可以有白噪声。

你可以录音,哦,对了,
他们还把手机放进去。

因此,它既可以用作您的助听器
,也可以用作您的手机。

到那时,有人可能真的
想自愿拥有一个假肢。

所有这
数千个松散连接的小部分

都聚集在一起

,现在是我们提出这个问题的时候了,

我们希望
在下一个或两个世纪如何进化人类?

为此,我们
求助于一位伟大的哲学家

,他是一个非常聪明的人,
尽管他是洋基队的球迷。

(笑声)

当然,Yogi Berra 曾经说过,
很难做出预测,

尤其是关于未来。

(笑声)

因此,
与其一开始就对未来做出预测,

不如让我们看看
像托尼·阿塔拉(Tony Atala)

这样正在重新设计 30 多个器官的人目前正在发生的事情。

也许最终的
假肢没有外部的东西,钛。

也许最终的假肢
是利用你自己的基因代码,

改造你自己的身体部位,

因为这
比任何一种假肢都有效得多。

但是当你在做的时候,你可以接受
Craig Venter 和 Ham Smith 的工作。

我们一直在做的一件事

是试图弄清楚
如何重新编程细胞。

如果你可以重新编程一个细胞,

那么你就可以改变
那些器官中的细胞。

所以如果你能改变
那些器官中的细胞,

也许你能让这些器官
更耐辐射。

也许你让他们吸收更多的氧气。

也许你让它们更有效

地过滤
掉你不想要的东西。

在过去的几周里,
乔治·丘奇经常出现在新闻中,

因为他一直在谈论
采用这些可编程细胞中的

一个并将整个人类基因组

插入该细胞中。

一旦你可以将
整个人类基因组插入一个细胞

,你就会开始问这个问题,


想增强那个基因组中的任何一个吗?

你想增强人体吗?

你想
如何增强人体? 增强人体

在哪里合乎道德
,而增强

人体在哪里不合乎
道德?

突然之间,我们正在做的

是我们有了这个
多维棋盘

,我们可以在其中
通过使用病毒

来攻击艾滋病等疾病来改变人类基因,

或者我们可以通过基因治疗改变基因密码

以消除某些疾病 遗传性疾病,

或者我们可以改变环境

,改变
表观基因组中这些基因的表达,

并将其传递给下一代。

突然之间
,不仅仅是一点点,

而是所有这些堆叠的点点滴滴

,让你
可以从中提取一小部分,

直到所有部分聚集在一起,

让你得到
非常不同的东西。

很多人
都被这些东西吓到了。

听起来确实很吓人,
而且这些东西也有风险。

那么,到底为什么你
会想做这些事情呢?

为什么我们真的想

从根本上改变人体?

答案部分

在于英国皇家天文学家里斯勋爵。

他最喜欢的一句话
是宇宙百分百恶毒。

那是什么意思?

这意味着如果你随意拿走你的
任何一个身体,

把它扔到宇宙的任何地方,把它扔到

太空中,你就会死。

把它放在太阳上,你死了。

把它丢在
水星表面,你死了。

把它放在超新星附近,你死了。

但幸运的是,它只有
大约 80% 有效。

因此,正如一位伟大的物理学家曾经说过的那样,在这种快速的熵洪流中,

有这些
生物学的上游小漩涡

创造了秩序

因此,当宇宙耗散能量时

,这些上游
涡流创造了生物秩序。

现在,涡流的问题是,

它们往往会消失。

他们转移。 他们在河流中移动。

正因为如此,当涡流移动时,

当地球变成雪球时,
当地球变得非常热时,

当地球被小行星撞击
时,当你有超级火山时,

当你有太阳耀斑时,

当你有可能
灭绝时——

像下一次选举这样的级别事件——

(笑声)

然后突然之间,
你可以有周期性的灭绝。

顺便说一句,这在地球上已经发生了
五次

,因此

地球上的人类很可能
有一天会灭绝。

不是下周,

不是下个月,

也许是十一月,
但也许是在那之后的一万年。

当您
考虑其后果时,

如果您认为灭绝
是普遍的、自然的

、正常的并且周期性地发生,

那么
使我们的物种多样化就成为道德上的当务之急。

这成为一种道德要求,

因为

如果我们不从根本上
改变人体,我们将很难在火星上生活。

对?

你从一个细胞开始,

妈妈和爸爸
一起组成一个细胞

,级联到 10 万亿个细胞。

我们不知道,如果你
大幅改变重力,

是否会发生同样的事情
来创造你的身体。

我们知道,如果你让
我们的身体像现在这样

暴露在大量辐射下,我们就会死去。

因此,当您考虑到这一点时,
您必须真正重新设计

事物才能到达火星。

忘掉
海王星或木星的卫星吧。

借用尼古拉·卡尔达舍夫的话,

让我们
以一系列尺度来思考生活。

所以生命一号

文明是一种
开始改变他或她外表的文明。

我们已经这样做了
数千年。

你有收腹
,你有这个,你有那个。

你改变了你的容貌,我被

告知并不是所有的这些
改变都是出于医疗原因。

(笑声)

看起来很奇怪。

生命二文明
是一种不同的文明。

生命二文明改变
了身体的基本方面。

所以你加入人类生长激素
,人长高了,

或者你加入x,
人变胖或失去新陈代谢

或做一系列事情,

但你正在
从根本上改变功能。

要成为一个太阳内文明,

我们将不得不创造
一个生命三文明

,这看起来
与我们这里的文明非常不同。

也许你在
Deinococcus radiodurans 中进行剪接,

以便细胞
在大量暴露于辐射后可以重新剪接。

也许你通过让氧气
流过你的血液

而不是通过你的肺来呼吸。

但是你说的是
真正激进的重新设计,

过去十年发生的一件有趣的事情

是我们在
那里发现了很多行星。

其中一些可能类似于地球。

问题是,如果我们
想要到达这些行星

,最快的人类物体——

朱诺号和航海者号
以及其他这些东西——

需要数万年

才能从这里
到达最近的太阳系。

所以如果你想开始探索
其他地方的海滩,

或者你想看两个太阳的日落,

那么你谈论的
是非常不同的事情,

因为你必须以可能的方式
改变时间尺度和人类的身体

完全认不出来。

这就是生命四文明。

现在,我们甚至
无法想象那会是什么样子,

但我们开始瞥见

可能
带我们走那么远的仪器。

让我举两个例子。

所以这就是精彩的弗洛伊德罗姆斯伯格,

弗洛伊德一直在做的一件事

就是他一直在
玩生活的基本化学反应。

所以这个星球上的所有生命
都是由 ATCG 组成的,即 DNA 的四个字母。

所有的细菌、所有的植物、
所有的动物、所有的人类、所有的牛,以及

其他一切。

弗洛伊德所做的是他改变了其中
两个碱基对,

所以它是 ATXY。

这意味着你现在有
一个平行的系统来创造生命

、制造婴儿、繁殖、进化,


与地球上的大多数事物都不匹配,

或者实际上可能与地球上的任何事物都不匹配。

也许你制造的植物
对所有细菌都免疫。

也许你制造的植物
对所有病毒都有免疫力。

但为什么这么有趣呢?

这意味着我们
不是唯一的解决方案。

这意味着你可以
为我们创造替代的化学物质,

这些化学物质可以
适应一个非常不同的星球

,可以创造生命和遗传。

第二个实验,

或者
这个实验的另一个含义,

就是你们所有人,所有的生命
都是基于 20 种氨基酸。

如果你不替换两个氨基酸,

如果你不说 ATXY,
如果你说 ATCG + XY,

那么你会从
20 个构建块变成 172 个

,突然之间你就有了
172 个氨基酸的构建块

以非常不同的形状建造生命形式。

要考虑的第二个
实验是在中国进行的一个非常奇怪的实验

所以这家伙一直在移植
数百个老鼠头。

对?

为什么这是一个有趣的实验?

好吧,想想第一次
心脏移植。

他们过去做的其中一件事

是,他们
把捐赠者的妻子或女儿带进来,

这样受赠人就可以告诉医生,

“你认识这个人吗
?你爱这个人吗

?你对这个人有什么感觉吗?” ?”

我们今天对此大笑。

我们笑是因为我们
知道心脏是一块肌肉,

但数十万年
或数万年以来,

“我给了她我的心。
她夺走了我的心。她伤了我的心。”

我们认为这是情绪

,我们认为也许情绪
是随心脏移植的。 不。

那么大脑呢?

这个实验有两种可能的结果。

如果你能得到一个

有功能的鼠标,

那么你就会看到

,新大脑是一块白板吗?

男孩,这是否有影响。

第二种选择

:新鼠标识别米妮。

新老鼠会
记住它害怕的东西,

记住如何在迷宫中导航

,如果这是真的,

那么你就可以移植
记忆和意识。

然后真正
有趣的问题是,

如果你可以移植这个,这
是唯一的输入输出

机制吗?

或者你能否将
这种意识移植到一个

非常不同的东西上,

它会在太空中持续存在,

持续
数万年,

那将是一个完全重新设计的身体

,可以保持
意识很长很长一段时间?

让我们回到第一个问题:

你为什么要这样做?

好吧,我会告诉你为什么。

因为这是终极自拍。

(笑声)

这是从 60 亿英里外拍摄的

,那是地球。

这就是我们所有人。

如果那件小事过去了,
整个人类都会过去。

而你想要改变人体的原因

是因为你最终
想要一张图片说,

那是我们,那是我们

,那是我们,

因为这就是人类
在长期灭绝中幸存下来的方式。

这就是为什么不进化人体实际上是不道德的原因

,即使它可能很可怕,
即使它可能具有挑战性,

但它
将使我们能够探索、生活

和到达我们无法到达的地方
甚至梦想今天,

但我们的曾曾曾曾曾
孙辈可能有一天会梦想成真。

非常感谢你。

(掌声)