How synthetic biology could wipe out humanity and how we can stop it Rob Reid

So, there’s about
seven and a half billion of us.

The World Health Organization tells us
that 300 million of us are depressed,

and about 800,000 people
take their lives every year.

A tiny subset of them choose
a profoundly nihilistic route,

which is they die in the act of killing
as many people as possible.

These are some famous recent examples.

And here’s a less famous one.
It happened about nine weeks ago.

If you don’t remember it,

it’s because there’s
a lot of this going on.

Wikipedia just last year
counted 323 mass shootings

in my home country, the United States.

Not all of those shooters were suicidal,

not all of them were maximizing
their death tolls,

but many, many were.

An important question becomes:
What limits do these people have?

Take the Vegas shooter.

He slaughtered 58 people.

Did he stop there because he’d had enough?

No, and we know this because
he shot and injured another 422 people

who he surely would have
preferred to kill.

We have no reason to think
he would have stopped at 4,200.

In fact, with somebody this nihilistic,
he may well have gladly killed us all.

We don’t know.

What we do know is this:

when suicidal murderers really go all in,

technology is the force multiplier.

Here’s an example.

Several years back, there was a rash
of 10 mass school attacks in China

carried out with things
like knives and hammers and cleavers,

because guns are really hard to get there.

By macabre coincidence,
this last attack occurred

just hours before the massacre
in Newtown, Connecticut.

But that one American attack killed
roughly the same number of victims

as the 10 Chinese attacks combined.

So we can fairly say,
knife: terrible; gun: way worse.

And airplane: massively worse,

as pilot Andreas Lubitz showed
when he forced 149 people

to join him in his suicide,

smashing a plane into the French Alps.

And there are other examples of this.

And I’m afraid there are far more deadly
weapons in our near future than airplanes,

ones not made of metal.

So let’s consider the apocalyptic
dynamics that will ensue

if suicidal mass murder hitches a ride
on a rapidly advancing field

that for the most part holds
boundless promise for society.

Somewhere out there in the world,
there’s a tiny group of people

who would attempt, however ineptly,

to kill us all if they
could just figure out how.

The Vegas shooter may or may not
have been one of them,

but with seven and a half billion of us,

this is a nonzero population.

There’s plenty of suicidal
nihilists out there.

We’ve already seen that.

There’s people with severe mood disorders
that they can’t even control.

There are people who have just suffered
deranging traumas, etc. etc.

As for the corollary group,

its size was simply zero forever
until the Cold War,

when suddenly, the leaders
of two global alliances

attained the ability to blow up the world.

The number of people
with actual doomsday buttons

has stayed fairly stable since then.

But I’m afraid it’s about to grow,

and not just to three.

This is going off the charts.

I mean, it’s going to look
like a tech business plan.

(Laughter)

And the reason is,

we’re in the era
of exponential technologies,

which routinely take
eternal impossibilities

and make them the actual superpowers
of one or two living geniuses

and – this is the big part –

then diffuse those powers
to more or less everybody.

Now, here’s a benign example.

If you wanted to play checkers
with a computer in 1952,

you literally had to be that guy,

then commandeer one of the world’s
19 copies of that computer,

then used your Nobel-adjacent brain
to teach it checkers.

That was the bar.

Today, you just need to know someone
who knows someone who owns a telephone,

because computing
is an exponential technology.

So is synthetic biology,

which I’ll now refer to as “synbio.”

And in 2011, a couple of researchers
did something every bit as ingenious

and unprecedented as the checkers trick

with H5N1 flu.

This is a strain that kills
up to 60 percent of the people it infects,

more than Ebola.

But it is so uncontagious

that it’s killed fewer
than 50 people since 2015.

So these researchers edited H5N1’s genome

and made it every bit as deadly,
but also wildly contagious.

The news arm of one of the world’s
top two scientific journals

said if this thing got out,
it would likely cause a pandemic

with perhaps millions of deaths.

And Dr. Paul Keim said

he could not think of an organism
as scary as this,

which is the last thing
I personally want to hear

from the Chairman of the National
Science Advisory Board on Biosecurity.

And by the way, Dr. Keim also said this –

[“I don’t think anthrax
is scary at all compared to this."]

And he’s also one of these.

[Anthrax expert] (Laughter)

Now, the good news about the 2011 biohack

is that the people who did it
didn’t mean us any harm.

They’re virologists.

They believed they were advancing science.

The bad news is that technology
does not freeze in place,

and over the next few decades,

their feat will become trivially easy.

In fact, it’s already way easier,
because as we learned yesterday morning,

just two years after they did their work,

the CRISPR system was harnessed
for genome editing.

This was a radical breakthrough

that makes gene editing
massively easier –

so easy that CRISPR
is now taught in high schools.

And this stuff is moving
quicker than computing.

That slow, stodgy white line up there?

That’s Moore’s law.

That shows us how quickly
computing is getting cheaper.

That steep, crazy-fun green line,

that shows us how quickly
genetic sequencing is getting cheaper.

Now, gene editing
and synthesis and sequencing,

they’re different disciplines,
but they’re tightly related.

And they’re all moving
in these headlong rates.

And the keys to the kingdom
are these tiny, tiny data files.

That is an excerpt of H5N1’s genome.

The whole thing can fit
on just a few pages.

And yeah, don’t worry, you can Google this
as soon as you get home.

It’s all over the internet, right?

And the part that made it contagious

could well fit on a single Post-it note.

And once a genius makes a data file,

any idiot can copy it,

distribute it worldwide

or print it.

And I don’t just mean print it on this,

but soon enough, on this.

So let’s imagine a scenario.

Let’s say it’s 2026,
to pick an arbitrary year,

and a brilliant virologist,
hoping to advance science

and better understand pandemics,

designs a new bug.

It’s as contagious as chicken pox,

it’s as deadly as Ebola,

and it incubates for months and months
before causing an outbreak,

so the whole world can be infected
before the first sign of trouble.

Then, her university gets hacked.

And of course,
this is not science fiction.

In fact, just one recent US indictment

documents the hacking
of over 300 universities.

So that file with the bug’s genome on it
spreads to the internet’s dark corners.

And once a file is out there,
it never comes back –

just ask anybody who runs
a movie studio or a music label.

So now maybe in 2026,

it would take a true genius
like our virologist

to make the actual living critter,

but 15 years later,

it may just take a DNA printer
you can find at any high school.

And if not?

Give it a couple of decades.

So, a quick aside:

Remember this slide here?

Turn your attention to these two words.

If somebody tries this
and is only 0.1 percent effective,

eight million people die.

That’s 2,500 9/11s.

Civilization would survive,

but it would be permanently disfigured.

So this means we need
to be concerned about anybody

who has the faintest shot on goal,

not just geniuses.

So today, there’s a tiny
handful of geniuses

who probably could make a doomsday bug

that’s .1-percent effective
and maybe even a little bit more.

They tend to be stable and successful
and so not part of this group.

So I guess I’m sorta kinda
barely OK-ish with that.

But what about after technology improves

and diffuses

and thousands of life science
grad students are enabled?

Are every single one of them
going to be perfectly stable?

Or how about a few years after that,

where every stress-ridden
premed is fully enabled?

At some point in that time frame,

these circles are going to intersect,

because we’re now starting to talk about
hundreds of thousands of people

throughout the world.

And they recently included that guy
who dressed up like the Joker

and shot 12 people to death
at a Batman premiere.

That was a neuroscience PhD student

with an NIH grant.

OK, plot twist:

I think we can actually survive this one
if we start focusing on it now.

And I say this, having spent
countless hours

interviewing global leaders in synbio

and also researching their work
for science podcasts I create.

I have come to fear their work, in case
I haven’t gotten that out there yet –

(Laughter)

but more than that,
to revere its potential.

This stuff will cure cancer,
heal our environment

and stop our cruel treatment
of other creatures.

So how do we get all this without,
you know, annihilating ourselves?

First thing: like it or not,
synbio is here,

so let’s embrace the technology.

If we do a tech ban,

that would only hand
the wheel to bad actors.

Unlike nuclear programs,

biology can be practiced invisibly.

Massive Soviet cheating
on bioweapons treaties

made that very clear, as does every
illegal drug lab in the world.

Secondly, enlist the experts.

Let’s sign them up and make more of them.

For every million and one
bioengineers we have,

at least a million of them
are going to be on our side.

I mean, Al Capone
would be on our side in this one.

The bar to being a good guy
is just so low.

And massive numerical
advantages do matter,

even when a single bad guy
can inflict grievous harm,

because among many other things,

they allow us to exploit
the hell out of this:

we have years and hopefully decades
to prepare and prevent.

The first person to try something awful –
and there will be somebody –

may not even be born yet.

Next, this needs to be an effort
that spans society,

and all of you need to be a part of it,

because we cannot ask
a tiny group of experts

to be responsible for both containing
and exploiting synthetic biology,

because we already tried that
with the financial system,

and our stewards became
massively corrupted

as they figured out
how they could cut corners,

inflict massive, massive risks
on the rest of us

and privatize the gains,

becoming repulsively wealthy

while they stuck us
with the $22 trillion bill.

And more recently –

(Applause)

Are you the ones who have gotten
the thank-you letters?

I’m still waiting for mine.

I just figured they were
too busy to be grateful.

And much more recently,

online privacy started looming
as a huge issue,

and we basically outsourced it.

And once again:

privatized gains, socialized losses.

Is anybody else sick of this pattern?

(Applause)

So we need a more inclusive way
to safeguard our prosperity,

our privacy

and soon, our lives.

So how do we do all of this?

Well, when bodies fight pathogens,

they use ingenious immune systems,

which are very complex and multilayered.

Why don’t we build one of these
for the whole damn ecosystem?

There’s a year of TED Talks that could
be given on this first critical layer.

So these are just a couple
of many great ideas that are out there.

Some R and D muscle

could take the very primitive
pathogen sensors that we currently have

and put them on a very steep
price performance curve

that would quickly become ingenious

and networked

and gradually as widespread
as smoke detectors and even smartphones.

On a very related note:

vaccines have all kinds of problems

when it comes to manufacturing
and distribution,

and once they’re made, they can’t adapt
to new threats or mutations.

We need an agile biomanufacturing base

extending into every single pharmacy
and maybe even our homes.

Printer technology for vaccines
and medicines is within reach

if we prioritize it.

Next, mental health.

Many people who commit
suicidal mass murder

suffer from crippling,
treatment-resistant depression or PTSD.

We need noble researchers
like Rick Doblin working on this,

but we also need the selfish jerks
who are way more numerous

to appreciate the fact that acute
suffering will soon endanger all of us,

not just those afflicted.

Those jerks will then
join us and Al Capone

in fighting this condition.

Third, each and every one of us
can be and should be a white blood cell

in this immune system.

Suicidal mass murderers
can be despicable, yes,

but they’re also terribly
broken and sad people,

and those of us who aren’t
need to do what we can

to make sure nobody goes unloved.

(Applause)

Next, we need to make
fighting these dangers

core to the discipline
of synthetic biology.

There are companies out there
that at least claim

they let their engineers
spend 20 percent of their time

doing whatever they want.

What if those who hire bioengineers

and become them

give 20 percent of their time
to building defenses for the common good?

Not a bad idea, right?

(Applause)

Then, finally: this won’t be any fun.

But we need to let our minds
go to some very, very dark places,

and thank you for letting me
take you there this evening.

We survived the Cold War

because every one of us understood
and respected the danger,

in part, because we had spent decades

telling ourselves terrifying ghost stories

with names like “Dr. Strangelove”

and “War Games.”

This is no time to remain calm.

This is one of those rare times
when it’s incredibly productive

to freak the hell out –

(Laughter)

to come up with some ghost stories

and use our fear as fuel
to fight this danger.

Because, all these
terrible scenarios I’ve painted –

they are not destiny.

They’re optional.

The danger is still kind of distant.

And that means it will only befall us

if we allow it to.

Let’s not.

Thank you very much for listening.

(Applause)

所以,我们大约有
七十亿人。

世界卫生组织告诉我们
,我们当中有 3 亿人患有抑郁症

,每年约有 80
万人自杀。

他们中的一小部分人选择
了一条极度虚无主义的路线,

那就是他们在杀死
尽可能多的人的过程中死去。

这些是最近的一些著名例子。

这是一个不太出名的。
它发生在大约九周前。

如果你不记得了,

那是因为发生
了很多这样的事情。

去年,维基百科
统计了

在我的祖国美国发生的 323 起大规模枪击事件。

并不是所有的枪手都有自杀倾向,

也不是所有的人都在最大限度地增加
死亡人数,

但很多很多人都是。

一个重要的问题变成了:
这些人有什么限制?

以拉斯维加斯射手为例。

他屠杀了58人。

他停在那里是因为他受够了吗?

不,我们知道这一点,因为
他开枪打伤了另外 422

人,他肯定
更愿意杀死这些人。

我们没有理由认为
他会止步于 4,200。

事实上,对于一个如此虚无主义的人,
他很可能很乐意杀死我们所有人。

我们不知道。

我们所知道的是:

当自杀式凶手真的全力以赴时,

技术就是力量倍增器。

这是一个例子。

几年前,中国发生
了 10 起大规模的学校袭击事件,

他们
用刀、锤子和切肉刀之类的东西进行了大规模袭击,

因为枪支真的很难到达那里。

令人毛骨悚然的巧合
,最后一次袭击发生在康涅狄格州纽敦

大屠杀前几个小时

但是,美国的一次袭击造成
的受害者人数

与中国 10 次袭击的总和大致相同。

所以我们可以公平地说,
刀:可怕; 枪:更糟。

还有飞机:更糟糕的是,

正如飞行员安德烈亚斯·卢比茨(Andreas Lubitz)展示的
那样,他强迫 149 人

加入他的自杀

行列,将一架飞机撞向法国阿尔卑斯山。

还有其他例子。

恐怕
在我们不久的将来,致命的武器比飞机还要多,

不是金属制成的。

因此,让我们考虑一下

如果自杀性大屠杀
搭上一个快速发展的领域的顺风车,

这个领域在很大程度上
对社会有着无限的希望,那么将会发生什么世界末日的动态。

在世界的某个地方,
有一小群

人会尝试,无论多么无能,

只要他们能弄清楚如何杀死我们所有人

拉斯维加斯射手可能是也
可能不是其中之一,

但我们有七十五亿人,

这是一个非零人口。

那里有很多自杀的
虚无主义者。

我们已经看到了。

有些人患有严重的情绪障碍
,他们甚至无法控制。

有些人刚刚遭受了
精神错乱的创伤等等等等。

至于推论集团,

它的规模永远为零,
直到冷战

,突然间,
两个全球联盟的领导人

获得了炸毁世界的能力。 从那时起

,实际拥有世界末日按钮的人数

一直保持相当稳定。

但我担心它即将增长,

而不仅仅是三个。

这超出了图表。

我的意思是,它看起来
像一个技术商业计划。

(笑声

) 原因是,

我们正
处于指数技术的时代,

它通常把
永恒的不可能

变成
一两个活生生的天才

的真正超级大国——这是很大一部分——

然后将这些权力分散
到 每个人或多或少。

现在,这是一个良性的例子。

如果你想
在 1952 年用电脑玩西洋

跳棋,你必须成为那个人,

然后征用全世界
19 台电脑中的一台,

然后用你与诺贝尔奖相邻的
大脑教它跳棋。

那是酒吧。

今天,你只需要
认识一个认识电话的人,

因为计算
是一种指数技术。

合成生物学也是如此

,我现在将其称为“合成生物学”。

而在 2011 年,一些研究人员
做了一些与 H5N1 流感

跳棋技巧一样巧妙和前所未有的事情

这种病毒会杀死
多达 60% 的感染者,

超过埃博拉病毒。

但它的传染性如此之低

,以至于自 2015 年以来它造成的死亡人数
不到 50 人。

因此,这些研究人员编辑了 H5N1 的基因组

,让它变得既致命
又具有极强的传染性。

世界两大科学期刊之一的新闻部门

表示,如果这件事传出去,
可能会导致一场可能导致

数百万人死亡的流行病。

保罗凯姆博士说

他想不出有
这么可怕的有机体,

这是
我个人最不想听到

的国家
生物安全科学顾问委员会主席的话。

顺便说一句,Keim 博士也说过——

[“
与此相比,我认为炭疽病一点也不可怕。”

] 他也是其中之一。

[炭疽专家](笑声)

现在,关于 2011 年生物黑客的好消息

是,做这件事的人并
没有对我们造成任何伤害。

他们是病毒学家。

他们相信他们正在推进科学。

坏消息是技术
并没有停滞不前

,在接下来的几十年里,

他们的壮举将变得非常容易。

事实上,这已经很容易了,
因为正如我们昨天早上所了解到的,

就在他们完成工作两年后

,CRISPR 系统被
用于基因组编辑。

这是一个彻底的突破

,使基因编辑
变得更加容易——

如此简单,以至于
现在在高中教授 CRISPR。

而且这些东西的发展
速度比计算快。

那里那条缓慢而沉闷的白线?

这就是摩尔定律。

这向我们展示了
计算变得越来越便宜的速度。

这条陡峭、疯狂有趣的绿

线向我们展示了
基因测序变得越来越便宜的速度。

现在,基因编辑
、合成和测序,

它们是不同的学科,
但它们密切相关。

他们都在
以这些轻率的速度前进。

而王国的钥匙
就是这些微小的数据文件。

这是H5N1基因组的摘录。

整件事可以
放在几页纸上。

是的,别担心,你一回家就可以谷歌
这个。

都是网上的,对吧?

使其具有传染性的部分

很适合放在一张便利贴上。

一旦天才制作了数据文件,

任何白痴都可以复制它,

在全球分发

或打印它。

我的意思不仅仅是在此打印它,

而是很快,在此打印。

所以让我们想象一个场景。

假设现在是 2026 年
,任意选择一年

,一位出色的病毒学家
希望推动科学进步

并更好地了解流行病,

设计了一个新的错误。

它像水痘一样具有传染性,

像埃博拉病毒一样致命

,它会在引起爆发之前潜伏数月和数月

因此整个世界都可以
在出现问题的第一个迹象之前被感染。

然后,她的大学被黑了。

当然,
这不是科幻小说。

事实上,美国最近的

一份起诉书记录
了对 300 多所大学的黑客攻击。

因此,带有该错误基因组的文件
传播到互联网的黑暗角落。

一旦文件出现,
它就再也不会回来了——

只要问问任何
经营电影制片厂或唱片公司的人。

所以现在也许在 2026 年,

需要像我们的病毒学家这样真正的天才

才能制造出真正的活生物,

但 15 年后

,可能只需要一台
你在任何高中都能找到的 DNA 打印机。

如果不?

给它几十年。

所以,顺便说一句:

还记得这张幻灯片吗?

把注意力转向这两个词。

如果有人尝试这样做
并且只有 0.1% 有效,那么将有

800 万人死亡。

那是 2,500 个 9/11 秒。

文明会继续存在,

但会被永久毁容。

所以这意味着我们
需要关注任何

射门最微弱的人,

而不仅仅是天才。

所以今天,有极少数

天才可能会制造

出 0.1%
甚至更高的世界末日漏洞。

他们往往是稳定和成功的
,因此不属于这个群体。

所以我想我对此有点
勉强。

但是,在技术改进

和普及

并启用了成千上万的生命科学
研究生之后呢?

他们中的每一个
都会非常稳定吗?

或者在那之后的几年

,每个压力重重的
预科课程都完全启用了?

在那个时间范围内的某个时刻,

这些圈子将会相交,

因为我们现在开始谈论全世界
成千上万的人

他们最近还包括那个
打扮成小丑的家伙,在蝙蝠侠首映式

上开枪打死了 12 人

那是一位获得 NIH 资助的神经科学

博士生。

好吧,情节转折:

我认为
如果我们现在开始关注它,我们实际上可以生存下来。

我这么说,花了
无数时间

采访了 synbio 的全球领导者,


为我创建的科学播客研究了他们的工作。

我开始害怕他们的工作,以防
我还没有把它拿出来——

(笑声)

但更重要的是
,尊重它的潜力。

这些东西将治愈癌症,
治愈我们的环境

并停止我们
对其他生物的残酷对待。

那么,我们如何在不毁灭自己的情况下获得这一切
呢?

第一件事:不管你喜不喜欢,
synbio 就在这里,

所以让我们拥抱这项技术。

如果我们实施技术禁令,

那只
会把轮子交给坏演员。

与核计划不同,

生物学可以无形地进行。

苏联
在生物武器条约上的大规模欺骗行为

非常清楚地表明了这一点,世界上每个
非法毒品实验室也是如此。

其次,请专家。

让我们注册并制作更多。

对于
我们拥有的每一百万生物工程师,

至少有一
百万将站在我们这边。

我的意思是,Al Capone
会站在我们这边。

做一个好人的门槛
太低了。

巨大的数字
优势确实很重要,

即使一个坏人
可以造成严重伤害,

因为除此之外,

它们让我们可以
利用这一切:

我们有数年甚至数十年的时间
来准备和预防。

第一个尝试可怕事物的人——
而且会有人——

甚至可能还没有出生。

接下来,这需要
跨越社会的努力

,你们所有人都需要成为其中的一部分,

因为我们不能要求
一小群

专家负责控制
和利用合成生物学,

因为我们已经尝试
过 金融体系

,我们的管家变得
非常腐败,

因为他们想出
如何偷工减料,

给我们其他人带来巨大的巨大风险

并将收益私有化,

在他们向我们
提出 22 万亿美元的账单时变得非常富有。

最近——

(掌声)

你是收到
感谢信的人吗?

我还在等我的。

我只是觉得他们
太忙了,无法感激。

最近,

在线隐私开始
成为一个大问题

,我们基本上将其外包。

再一次:

私有化收益,社会化损失。

其他人是否厌倦了这种模式?

(掌声)

因此,我们需要一种更具包容性的方式
来保护我们的繁荣、

我们的隐私

以及很快的我们的生活。

那么我们如何做到这一切呢?

好吧,当身体对抗病原体时

,它们会使用

非常复杂和多层次的巧妙免疫系统。

为什么我们不
为整个该死的生态系统构建其中之一呢?

在第一个关键层上可以进行一年的 TED 演讲

因此,这些只是
众多伟大想法中的一小部分。

一些研发力量

可以采用我们目前拥有的非常原始的
病原体传感器,

并将它们置于非常陡峭的
价格性能曲线上

,这将很快变得巧妙

和联网,

并逐渐
像烟雾探测器甚至智能手机一样普及。

在一个非常相关的说明中:

疫苗在制造和分销方面存在各种问题

,一旦制造出来,它们就无法
适应新的威胁或突变。

我们需要一个灵活的生物制造基地,

延伸到每一个药房
,甚至我们的家。 如果我们优先考虑

疫苗
和药物的打印机技术,它是触手可及的

其次,心理健康。

许多实施
自杀性大屠杀的人

患有严重的、
难治性抑郁症或创伤后应激障碍。

我们需要
像 Rick Doblin 这样的高尚研究人员致力于此工作,

但我们也需要更多自私的混蛋

来理解这样一个事实,即急性
痛苦将很快危及我们所有人,

而不仅仅是那些受苦的人。

然后那些混蛋将
加入我们和阿尔卡彭的行列

,与这种情况作斗争。

第三,我们每个人
都可以而且应该

是这个免疫系统中的一个白细胞。

自杀性大屠杀者
可能是卑鄙的,是的,

但他们也是非常
破碎和悲伤的

人,我们这些
不需要尽我们

所能确保没有人不被爱的人。

(掌声)

接下来,我们要把
对抗这些危险

作为合成生物学学科的核心。

有些公司
至少声称

他们让他们的工程师
花 20% 的时间

做他们想做的任何事情。

如果那些雇用生物工程师

并成为他们的人

将 20% 的时间
用于为共同利益建立防御会怎么样?

不是一个坏主意,对吧?

(掌声)

那么,最后:这不会很有趣。

但是我们需要让我们的思想
去一些非常非常黑暗的地方

,谢谢你让我
今晚带你去那里。

我们在冷战中幸存下来,

因为我们每个人都理解
和尊重危险

,部分原因是我们花了几十年的时间

告诉自己可怕的鬼故事

,比如“奇爱博士”

和“战争游戏”。

现在不是保持冷静的时候。

这是极少数
情况下,

把地狱吓坏了——

(笑声

)想出一些鬼故事

,用我们的恐惧作为燃料
来对抗这种危险。

因为,
我所描绘的所有这些可怕的场景——

它们都不是命运。

它们是可选的。

危险仍然有点遥远。

这意味着它只有

在我们允许的情况下才会降临到我们头上。

不要吧。

非常感谢您的聆听。

(掌声)