Is the Heros Journey freeing us or keeping us captive

hello

my name is megan and i am a filmmaker

writer and director

so what are the interconnected threads

that bind these identities together

what are the lines that interplay

between

stories i’m a storyteller

and i’m interested in how stories shape

the world we live in

and or how the world we live in shapes

the stories that we tell

and more specifically how if there are

billions of people on this earth alive

and dead how there are only a few

universal story structures that we

continue to tell to this day

and one in particular that is considered

the gold standard

of hollywood of books of writing courses

and it’s called the hero’s journey i’m

sure many of you have heard of

this it was coined by joseph campbell in

1949

after he’d studied hundreds of thousands

of years of myths

and archetypes from all over the world

now it was a 17-step structure when he

created it and christopher vogler later

turned it into

12 steps when he was working at disney

and this is

the structure that we use today

now even if you don’t know all the steps

by heart i’m sure that you know

it because they say it is ingrained in

our cultural dna

it’s a tale as old as time you have an

ordinary man

living an ordinary life and

one day he gets a call perhaps

metaphorically from god or within

himself

to go on a journey a quest

now first and this is important he

denies a call

he is considers himself too small

or perhaps he doesn’t believe he’s the

hero that he’s meant to be

but of course the mentor comes along to

impart some wisdom on him and

off the hero goes to his journey he

crosses the threshold

and when he gets into this magical new

world it’s there that he meets

tests and allies and mentors

things get pretty tough for the hero and

it gets so tough in fact that he

descends into the abyss

or has a dark knight of the soul and

right at the moment when you think all

is lost he’s either died

or metaphysically metaphorically or in

reality

he learns something and he rises above

and on the other side he gets a reward

and then he heads back on his journey

back to the kingdom where he came from

but of course there is a final test has

this hero really learned his lesson

is he truly the hero we think he all is

so then he passes the test and on his

way back he’s now a master of two worlds

and imparts the wisdom to the the

kingdom that he came from

so my question is is

story structure that was coined by a

white man

in 1949 is it still considered universal

can it still be universal or is it

somehow

keeping us stuck in the white

supremacist

patriarchal capitalist society that we

live in

so let me tell you a story i grew up in

baltimore maryland

united states of america uh it’s often

known for the tv series the wire

or as you say in france

and it’s much more than that but we’ll

leave it there

i grew up to divorce parents my mom was

a

administrative assistant my dad was a

marine and later went to business

and i was kind of this quirky outsider

kid who

was enchanted by the magic of the world

around me and around five or six years

old i had this what you could say was a

calling to be an actress

now i didn’t come from a family of

actors but looking back

i realized that having a script in my

hand helped me make sense of the chaos

of the world around me

so years later i didn’t really know what

i was going to do with his acting career

since we didn’t come from

a family of actors i had a neighbor that

came around and he told me that there

was this

acting school called baltimore school

for the arts it was considered one of

the best arts high schools in the world

it boasts alumni like jada pinkett smith

or tupac shakur

so i auditioned and i was one of 13

people to get in

there i met my chosen family and

i studied every structure you could

imagine meisner technique senoslovsky

the method shakespeare clowning and at

the age of 18

i started in a really bad horror movie

and i thought now i’m ready

i’m ready for los angeles so i moved

3500 miles away alone

to hollywood to be an actress now while

i was there i

i was poor so to get by i had to work

lots of different jobs i worked in

casting i worked as a personal assistant

i worked in waiting tables

all while studying and trying to be an

actress america

um and i tried to morph myself into

every possible thing you could imagine

as well i dyed my hair

brunettes i was a curious blonde

i even turned myself into a spy but

for eight years i only landed small

roles here and there

and so i finally walked into my agent’s

office and i was like look what what

gives you know

i haven’t landed a job in like eight

years

and he looked at me and he said look

you’re talented

you’re good but

when you walk into the room they see a

white girl and they

called in a lopez maybe think about

changing your name

so i looked at him and i said i

am megan adele lopez they can’t see the

blood of my cuban gangster father

coursing through my veins end

of my blonde-haired blue-eyed mother

from baltimore

i am the embodiment of scarface

say hello to my little friend i said and

i shot him in the face

no i didn’t really shoot him in the face

i don’t believe in violence

but i did um understand at that point

that mixed-race kids don’t really fit

into hollywood structure they don’t

really

know what to do with us and i got

depressed because i mean for 20 years my

whole

identity had been an actress i didn’t

know what to do with myself i started

taking drugs

all kinds of drugs bad ones like um

crystal meth

and cocaine and and i started drinking a

lot and um

putting myself in compromising positions

and then one day i was driving

home from this party because the guy

wouldn’t take no for an answer and

um i fell asleep and i woke up right as

my car was going straight into the wall

of the 405 freeway

now luckily nobody was injured including

me

my car was totaled but

i learned that at that moment in order

to be my own hero i needed to step away

and play it safe and so i went a more

traditional story and i got married

and i went in marketing and i moved to

chicago

now of course like most callings um they

don’t always go away mine happened to

morph into writing

i realized that writing gave me the

words that hollywood wasn’t willing to

give me

and at first i didn’t want to have to do

anything with any structures because i

wanted some freedom i had studied acting

for so long

and this point i just wanted to have fun

but of course i’m ambitious and i’m a

bit competitive

so i wanted to know how the big boys

were doing it and this is when i found

the hero’s journey

and i loved it i mean this i was like

this isn’t just

a story structure this is a way to live

your life

this is a blueprint for how to get

through the tough times

i use this journey sometimes sometimes

help me get out of bed to

have the courage to leave my abusive

relationship i use

this journey to have the courage to

apply

to be the global digital business

director of the new york times

i got the job and they moved me to paris

where i now live it also gave me the

journey to leave that

gave me the courage to leave that job

and to enter filmmaking

but of course as i was reading

voraciously about the hero’s journey

i came across an interview by joseph

campbell and

in this interview joseph campbell said

that he didn’t believe women really

could be a part of the hero’s journey

because we were born with the journey

inside of us we were the goal he said

and that was creation to become a mother

now as somebody who never wanted

children of her own i didn’t take this

very well

i was furious i felt rejected

i realized oh okay so this is what’s

happening

basically hollywood and the movie

industry they’re making

heroes into shiro’s but women still

don’t really exist

in this world so i started looking for

for

new structures and that’s when i came

across

the virgin’s promise by kim hudson and

the heroine’s journey by marine murdoch

who had studied under joseph campbell

i mean these were these were good they

were they took into account the women’s

journey but they still

felt like they were trapping us in this

patriarchal

structure so i thought you know what i’m

going to try

and write my own structure and i’m going

to do it

in the form of a young adult feminist

fantasy novel

because obviously it can’t be in this

world that we live in i said it in the

future and i did it with this girl

named isla who was a protagonist and i

was going to make her into

the sacred goddess she would embody

everything

that there was to be a female

she would be allowed to feel all of her

feelings

and she would not be a strong

independent woman and she would still

lead a revolution for six years

i wrote this i toiled i wrote it a

hundred thousand words three times

while working full time at the new york

times

and i failed i failed miserably i just

i couldn’t figure out how to write

outside of this structure

it was like i felt like i was trapped

inside this patriarchal world

where they turned the room temperature

to freezing cold

and even my imagination couldn’t get me

out of it

you know they tell you to study the

geniuses before you before you even

think

about writing the future or breaking

free from it

but if the geniuses before you didn’t

care about you or

or you didn’t exist in their world then

why should i

care about what they have to say about

me

that’s when i realized it i shouldn’t

have to care what they have to say

just because at one point in joseph

campbell’s career he believed

these old-fashioned beliefs of the way

the world worked

didn’t mean that the structure that he

had

unearthed that was universal that had

universal truths about what it meant to

be human wasn’t

of me

you know i um

hollywood and and novels they’ve all had

biases ingrained in them for years

and the the rebel archetype in me

wants to burn it all down it really does

but the wise old crone archetype knows

that in order to really

to really change the world we need to

transform the energy

transcend it the story structure itself

was neutral

it’s like it’s like money

money is neutral it’s just

what we do with the money how we spend

it what we spend it on whose hands it

gets into

that makes it seem like money is

intrinsically evil

so with this newfound knowledge i went

back to isla uh

my protagonist and i thought you know

what

i am gonna use a hero’s journey and i’m

going to turn in isla not just into the

sacred goddess but to sacred everything

she will be born not just from the fire

but from the water

and i created a new kind of human called

the haleen

who were too complex too mixed too

daunting

were killed off for hundreds of years

until ayla came around

and learned how to integrate all parts

of herself to lead the world to a new

vision of itself

we can’t be so angry at the world that

we don’t see

the gifts that it gives us i mean we can

be angry at the world

but we can’t let that stop us from

seeing the gifts

stories help us not just

see our past but also help us to

prophesize and imagine our futures

to create a new world we don’t yet need

to change the transformational

structures of our ancestors

we need different people with different

beliefs different stories

different mentors different allies

different struggles to come forward

to become their type of hero

now with isla i was able to tell my

story through her and she’s in good

hands right now with a literary agent

who’s out chopping it around to

publishers

you know despite of and because of

how the world is today i

need to believe in heroes

and i’m looking forward to the different

heroes that arise

thank you

你好,

我叫梅根,我是一名电影制片人,

作家和导演,

那么将这些身份联系在一起的相互联系的线索

什么?故事之间相互作用的线索是什么?

我是一个讲故事的人

,我对故事如何塑造

我们生活的世界感兴趣 在

我们生活的世界中或如何塑造

我们讲述的故事

,更具体地说,

如果地球上有数十亿人活着

和死去

,我们将如何继续讲述几个普遍的故事结构,

直到今天

还有一个 特别是被认为

是好莱坞写作课程的黄金标准

,它被称为英雄之旅,我

相信你们中的许多人都听说过

它,它是约瑟夫·坎贝尔在

他研究了数十万年

后于 1949 年创造的

来自世界各地的神话和原型

现在它是一个 17 步的结构,当他

创造它时,克里斯托弗·沃格勒

后来在迪斯尼工作时把它变成了 12 步

,这是

t 我们今天使用的结构

即使你不知道所有的

步骤我相信你知道

因为他们说它在

我们的文化 DNA 中根深蒂固

这是一个古老的故事你有一个

普通人

生活 过着平凡的生活,

有一天他接到了一个电话,也许是

来自上帝或

他自己的隐喻,

要他去旅行,现在首先要进行探索

,这很重要,他

拒绝了一个

他认为自己太小

或者他不相信自己是

英雄的电话 他

本该如此,但导师当然会来

给他一些智慧,

然后英雄就开始了他的旅程,他

跨过了门槛

,当他进入这个神奇的新世界时,他在

那里遇到了

考验、盟友和

导师 对英雄

来说变得非常艰难,事实上他变得如此艰难,以至于他

掉入了深渊

或拥有灵魂的黑暗骑士,而

就在你认为一切都失去了的那一刻,

他要么死了,

要么形而上学的隐喻,要么

实际上

他离开了 rns 一些东西,他站起来

,在另一边,他得到了奖励

,然后他

回到了他来自的王国的旅程,

但当然还有最后的考验,

这个英雄真的吸取

了教训吗? 英雄,我们认为他就是

这样,然后他通过了测试,在

回来的路上,他现在是两个世界的主人,

并将智慧传授给

他来自的王国,

所以我的问题是

故事结构是由一个白人创造的

在 1949 年,它是否仍然被认为是普遍

的,它仍然是普遍的,还是它

以某种方式

让我们陷入我们生活的白人

至上主义

父权资本主义社会

所以让我告诉你一个我在美国马里兰州巴尔的摩长大的故事

,呃,它经常

以电视连续剧而闻名,

或者正如你在法国所说的那样

,它远不止于此,但我们

会把它留在那里

我是那种古怪的

局外人,

被我周围世界的魔力迷住了

,大约五

六岁我有这个你可以说是

成为一名演员的呼唤

现在我不是来自家庭

演员,但回首

往事,我意识到手中有一个剧本

帮助我理解了

我周围世界的混乱,

所以多年后我真的不知道

我将如何处理他的演艺事业,

因为我们不知道 来自

一个演员家庭,我有一个邻居

过来,他告诉我有一

表演学校,叫做巴尔的摩

艺术学校,它被认为是世界

上最好的艺术高中之一,

它拥有像 jada pinket smith

或 tupac shakur

所以我参加了试镜,我是进入那里的 13 个人之一

我遇到了我选择的家庭,

我研究了你能

想象到的每一个结构 迈斯纳技术 senoslovsky

莎士比亚小丑的方法,

在 18 岁时,

我开始拍一部非常糟糕的恐怖电影

我想现在我已经准备好

我已经准备好去洛杉矶了,所以我独自搬到了

3500 英里外的

好莱坞,当我在那里的时候成为一名演员。

很穷,所以我不得不做

很多不同的工作。 在

选角时,我担任过私人助理

,在学习期间一直在服务台工作,

并试图成为

美国女演员

甚至把自己变成了间谍,

但八年来我只在

这里和那里找到了一些小角色

,所以我终于走进了我的经纪人

办公室,我就像看看是什么

让你知道

我已经八年没有找到工作了

,他 看着我,他说看

你很有才华,

你很好,但是

当你走进房间时,他们看到一个

白人女孩,他们

叫了洛佩兹,也许考虑

改变你的名字,

所以我看着他,我说

我是梅根 阿黛尔洛佩兹他们看不到

我古巴的血 n 歹徒父亲

在我的血管里流淌

着我来自巴尔的摩的金发蓝眼睛的母亲的尽头

面对

我不相信暴力,

但我当时确实

理解混血孩子并不真正

适合好莱坞的结构,他们真的不

知道如何处理我们,我很

沮丧,因为我的意思是 20 年 我的

整个

身份一直是一名演员 我不

知道如何处理自己 我开始

吸毒

各种毒品 像冰毒和可卡因这样的毒品

我开始

大量饮酒 嗯

让自己处于妥协的位置

然后一个 那天我

从派对开车回家,因为那个人

不会拒绝回答,

嗯,我睡着了,当

我的车直接撞上 405 高速公路的墙壁时,我马上醒来,

幸运的是,包括我在内,没有人受伤

车被撞了,但

我 在那一刻得知,

为了成为我自己的英雄,我需要离开

并安全行事,所以我选择了一个更

传统的故事,我结婚了

,我进入了市场营销部门,我

现在当然像大多数人一样搬到了芝加哥 它们

并不总是消失 我的碰巧

变成了写作

我意识到写作给了我

好莱坞不愿意给我的词

,起初我不想

对任何结构做任何事情,因为我

想要一些 自由 我学

了很长时间的表演

,这一点我只是想玩得开心,

但我当然有野心,而且我

有点竞争,

所以我想知道大男孩

是怎么做到的,这就是我

找到 英雄的旅程

,我喜欢它 我的意思是我就像

这不仅仅是

一个故事结构 这是一种生活方式

这是如何度过艰难时期的蓝图

我使用这段旅程有时有时会

帮助我摆脱困境 床上才

有勇气离开我的

虐待 友谊 我利用

这段旅程有勇气

申请成为纽约时报的全球数字业务

总监

我得到了这份工作,他们把我搬到

了我现在居住的巴黎 它也给了我

离开的旅程,这

给了我勇气 离开那份工作

并进入电影制作,

但当然,当我

如饥似渴地阅读英雄之旅时,

我遇到了约瑟夫坎贝尔的采访

在这次采访中约瑟夫坎贝尔

说他不相信女性真的

可以成为英雄的一部分 旅程,

因为我们生来就有

旅程,我们是他说的目标

,那就是创造成为

现在的母亲,因为她从来不想要

自己的

孩子 意识到哦,好吧,所以这就是正在发生的

事情,

基本上是好莱坞和电影

业,他们正在把

英雄塑造成 shiro,但

这个世界上仍然不存在女性,所以我开始寻找

新的结构和 就在那时我遇到

了金哈德森的处女承诺和

海洋默多克的女主人公的旅程,

他们曾在约瑟夫坎贝尔学习

过 这种

父权制

结构,所以我想你知道我

要尝试什么

,写我自己的结构,我会

以年轻成人女权主义幻想小说的形式来写,

因为显然它不可能在这个

世界上,我们 住在我以后说过

,我和这个名叫伊斯拉的女孩一起做了,

她是一个主角,

我要让她

成为神圣的女神,她将体现

女性的一切,

她将被允许感受一切 她的

感情

,她不会是一个坚强的

独立女性,她仍然

会领导革命六年,

我写了这个,我辛苦了,我写了

十万字

,在纽约全职工作的时候写了三遍。

艾姆斯

,我失败了,我失败得很惨,我只是

不知道如何

在这个结构之外写作

,就好像我被困

在这个父权制世界

里,他们把室温变成了

冰冷

,甚至我的想象力都无法做到。” 不要让我

摆脱它,

你知道他们告诉你

在你

考虑写未来或

摆脱它

之前研究你之前的天才,但是如果你之前的天才不

关心你,

或者你不存在于 他们的世界那么

我为什么要

关心他们对

我的看法

那是我意识到我不应该

仅仅因为在约瑟夫坎贝尔的职业生涯中的某个时刻

他相信

这些老式的信仰

世界的运作方式

并不意味着他发掘的结构

具有普遍性,具有

关于人类意义的普遍真理

不是我的,

你知道,我是

好莱坞和小说,它们都有

根深蒂固的偏见 多年来一直在他们身上教育,

而我内心的反叛原型

确实想把它烧掉,

但明智的老老太婆原型知道

为了真正改变世界,我们需要

改变能量,

超越故事结构本身

中性的 就像钱

一样 isla 呃

我的主角,我以为你知道

我将使用什么英雄的旅程,我

将把 isla

变成神圣的女神,但

她将不仅从火中诞生,

而且从水中诞生

, 我创造了一种新的人类,

叫做海琳

,他们太复杂太复杂太

令人生畏

被杀死了数百年,

直到艾拉出现

并学会了如何整合

自己的所有部分来带领世界走向一个

对自己的新愿景

我们不能对这个世界如此生气以至于

我们看不到

它给我们的礼物我的意思是我们

可以对这个世界生气

但我们不能让这阻止我们

看到礼物

故事的帮助 我们不仅可以

看到我们的过去,还可以帮助我们

预言和想象我们的未来

以创造一个新世界我们还不

需要改变

我们祖先的转型结构

我们需要不同的人有不同的

信仰不同的故事

不同的导师不同的盟友

不同的斗争 挺身而出

,成为他们的英雄,

现在和 isla 一起,我能够通过她讲述我的

故事,而且她

现在与一位文学经纪人

相处得很好,

尽管世界如此 今天我

需要相信英雄

,我期待着不同的

英雄出现

谢谢