Jessica Kerr Who makes judges TED

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You’re in a room you don’t want to be in.

Something bad has happened.

There’s a stranger in a suit
with your future in their hands,

A judge.

Four years ago, that judge was me.

The people looking up at me then
had no choice but to trust me.

But what had I done to deserve it?

Australia’s judicial system operates
under a shroud of mystique

which fends off tough questions like this.

But you will have the right to ask

how people like me prepare
for the job of judging.

And you may not feel comfortable
with the answers.

The system needs to change.

To set the scene, first,
let’s think about public confidence.

Judges in Australia are not elected.

Yet, the power they wield is immense.

Ultimately, we trust the system

because we believe
that judges generally get it right.

If we lose that belief,

we risk unbalancing
the whole constitution.

But we live in a time when blind faith
in elites is eroding fast.

Judges are increasingly vulnerable
to the “why” question.

Why do you deserve the power
we have given you?

And so they should be.

Second, it’s fundamental that judges
have to be seen as independent,

doing their jobs without fear or favor.

To avoid any pressure
from the government of the day,

judges have high salaries,
which can never be cut,

and they can’t be fired
for what they say or do.

Unless they’re obviously corrupt or mad.

In exchange, judges agree
to be ultrarestrained,

both in and out of court.

A kind of veil comes down
when a judge is appointed.

It’s a lonely way to live,

and it feeds into this sense
that judges are somehow different

from the rest of us.

Finally, I can tell you that all judges
are in theory appointed on merit.

That sounds good.

And in theory it is.

Judges are chosen
in a confidential process

which relies heavily on advice
from senior judges.

The people chosen
are all experienced lawyers,

traditionally top courtroom
lawyers or barristers,

who spend their days
appearing in front of judges.

They’re all personally
shoulder-tapped for the job,

and the results are in general,
pretty impressive.

But what do we really mean
when we talk about merit?

For one thing, barristers
are historically maler,

paler and staler than other lawyers,

which is really saying something.

It’s been argued that the people
who get chosen as judges are above all,

the ones who remind
existing judges of themselves.

Diversity on the bench is an issue
that’s become impossible to ignore.

And judges are essentially picked

based on how well they argue cases
in front of judges.

But that doesn’t really make sense.

Let’s compare a courtroom
and an operating theater.

Barristers and judges both play
essential roles in court,

just like anesthetists
and surgeons in an operation.

But you don’t hand
an anesthetist a scalpel

just because he’s been putting
people to sleep

for the surgeon for 10 years.

The underlying skill set may be
the same in law as in medicine,

but the jobs are fundamentally different.

The strange truth about judging
in countries like Australia

is that even though judges
are such an important part of government,

we’ve basically privatized
the system of making them.

That work is done, if it’s done at all,

within the private legal profession.

And here’s the thing.

There is no judge school
for wannabe judges.

Judicial appointment is seen
as a badge of honor,

not as a professional milestone
that a lawyer builds up to

the way that a doctor works
towards specialization.

Judges are just lawyers

until the day they take the judicial oath.

And from that day it is sink or swim,

except they can’t be fired
for incompetence.

How do you think it would feel

to know your life was on the line
in a judge’s first ever case?

And how do you think
that judge would feel?

The transition to the bench
can be a baptism by fire.

I had never run
a criminal trial as a lawyer,

and there I was in a magistrate’s court

in the Seychelles,

being asked to hand down
12-year prison sentences

in my first month on the job.

It was terrifying.

Is it any easier to make that transition
as a top courtroom lawyer?

Well, in some ways, definitely.

Barristers do know a lot of law

and the years of watching judges in action
do give them a head start

on how the process works.

But as society changes,

our expectations of judges
are changing, too.

Judges are increasingly called on

for a whole range
of extra nonlegal skills.

They have to be managers and leaders,

politically and culturally savvy,

able to handle relentless scrutiny
and social isolation.

We don’t necessarily expect
or even value those skills in a barrister.

And when we aim
for a more diverse judiciary,

the problem actually gets worse.

If we want less male, less pale judges,

we’re not likely to find them all
in barristers chambers.

And people who haven’t spent
their working lives in court

can’t possibly be expected
to just know how judging works,

no matter how excellent
they may be in other ways.

So what you end up with
is a situation where no new judge

is actually likely to have every piece
of the merit puzzle.

But the number and shape
of those missing pieces

varies hugely from judge to judge.

How is this OK?

Why does our system assume
that anyone comes ready-made

for such a demanding job?

It turns out there are some
pretty strong cultural reasons why.

People who study judiciaries,
that’s me now,

are traditionally reluctant to talk
about behind-the-scenes issues,

like making judges,

for fear of being seen
as interfering with judicial independence.

I think this has gone too far.

Independence depends on public confidence.

And we can no longer be expected to trust
what can’t be explained and justified.

But the legal elite have an obvious
interest in maintaining the status quo.

As a lawyer,

it feels uncomfortable
to criticize a process

that my barrister friends
say is a natural progression,

even a kind of right.

And getting any lawyer to talk openly
about learning how to judge is hard.

People like me learn quickly

that admitting to judicial
ambitions is out of order.

You can aim to be a barrister,
which puts you in the running,

but you can’t be seen as angling
for an appointment.

The contrast with a profession
like medicine couldn’t be more stark.

The incentives in law are all backwards.

I came to realize

that it was only in confronting
these culture barriers

that I would have any hope
of breaking through

from the why to the how.

So how do we talk about making judges?

It starts with government taking more
responsibility for its own processes.

And not just in explaining
why it picks one person over another,

although that would help.

At the top of my list
is ongoing education for judges.

Judges in Australia do actually
go to judge school now,

kind of,

but only behind closed doors
once they’re already on the job.

It’s labeled as CPD: Continuing
professional development,

which is totally routine
and compulsory for lawyers

and other modern professionals.

But because no one is supposed
to tell a judge what to do

or how to think,

in case that undermines
their independence,

it’s all voluntary.

In principle, a judge like me
could just say no.

And that CPD label neatly avoids
the elephant in the room,

the fact that every modern lawyer
needs at least some help

learning how to be a good judge
in the first place.

There’s actually some amazing work
starting to happen in judicial education,

but it is nowhere near enough.

And in any case,

it’s those pre-appointment years
that matter the most.

Government has taken
no responsibility at all here.

And to get past that stigma
on wannabe judges,

the profession itself has to change.

Whether it happens formally or informally,

we need to be thinking
about a judicial career path

and actively creating judicial merit.

We need to support young lawyers like me,

particularly the diverse ones,

to do things that will
make them great judges,

not just great lawyers,

especially when those things

are not likely to get them
promoted as lawyers.

In hindsight, I wish
I’d had way more experience

in things like community justice,

technology and management.

And I so wish I could have gone
to judge school.

Better prepared lawyers
would mean better inputs

for those people who choose
and manage judges

and ultimately better evidence
that those judges deserve your trust.

And that’s what it all comes back to.

Any of us, any day,

could find our future
in the hands of a judge.

In that moment,

we need to be able
to look each other in the eye

and know we can trust the system.

Thank you.

(Applause)

抄写员:

你在一个你不想进去的房间里。

发生了一些不好的事情。

有一个穿着西装的陌生人
,你的未来掌握在他们手中

,法官。

四年前,那个法官就是我。

那些仰望我的
人别无选择,只能相信我。

但我做了什么值得得到它?

澳大利亚的司法系统
在神秘的笼罩下运作,

从而避免了此类棘手的问题。

但是你有权问

像我这样的人如何
为评委工作做准备。

你可能对答案感到不舒服

系统需要改变。

首先,
让我们考虑公众的信心。

澳大利亚的法官不是选举产生的。

然而,他们所拥有的力量是巨大的。

最终,我们相信这个系统,

因为我们
相信法官通常会做对。

如果我们失去这种信念,

我们就有可能
使整个宪法失衡。

但我们生活在一个对
精英的盲目信仰正在迅速消失的时代。

法官越来越容易
受到“为什么”问题的影响。

为什么你配得上
我们赋予你的权力?

他们应该是。

其次,重要的是法官
必须被视为独立的,

无畏无惧地完成工作。

为了避免
来自当时政府的任何压力,

法官的薪水很高
,永远不能削减

,他们不能因为他们的言行而被解雇

除非他们明显腐败或疯狂。

作为交换,法官
同意在法庭内外都受到严格限制

当法官被任命时,一种面纱就会落下。

这是一种孤独的生活方式

,它让人
感觉法官在某种程度上与

我们其他人不同。

最后,我可以告诉你,理论上所有的法官
都是择优任命的。

听起来不错。

理论上是这样。

法官是
在一个保密的过程中选择的,

这在很大程度上依赖
于高级法官的建议。

被选中的人
都是经验丰富的律师,

传统上是顶级法庭
律师或大律师,

他们每天都
在法官面前出庭。

他们都是亲自
肩负这项工作的人,

而且结果总体上
令人印象深刻。

但是,
当我们谈论功绩时,我们真正的意思是什么?

一方面,大律师
在历史上

比其他律师更男性、更苍白、更陈旧,

这确实说明了一些问题。

有人认为,
被选为法官的人首先是那些让

现有法官想起自己的人。

替补席上的多样性是一个
不容忽视的问题。

法官基本上是

根据他们在法官面前辩论案件的能力
来挑选的。

但这没有任何意义。

让我们比较一下法庭
和手术室。

大律师和法官
在法庭上都扮演着重要的角色,

就像
手术中的麻醉师和外科医生一样。

但是你不会

仅仅因为他 10 年来一直在让
人们

为外科医生睡觉而把手术刀交给麻醉师。

法律和医学的基本技能可能相同,

但工作却根本不同。

在像澳大利亚这样的国家,关于

法官的奇怪事实是,尽管法官
是政府的重要组成部分,

但我们基本上已经将法官
制度私有化了。

这项工作是在私人法律界内完成的,如果真的完成的话

事情就是这样。

没有为想成为法官的法官学校

司法任命被
视为荣誉勋章,

而不是
律师建立

的专业里程碑,医生
朝着专业化方向努力。

法官在

宣誓之前只是律师。

从那一天起,就是下沉或游泳,

除非他们不能因为无能而被解雇

你认为在法官的第一个案件中

知道你的生命处于危险之中会感觉如何

你觉得
那个法官会有什么感觉?

过渡到替补席
可能是一场火的洗礼。

我从未
以律师身份参加过刑事审判

,我

在塞舌尔的一个地方法院,

在我上任的第一个月被要求判处 12 年徒刑。

这太可怕了。

作为一名顶级法庭律师,这种过渡是否更容易

嗯,在某些方面,肯定的。

大律师确实了解很多法律

,多年观察法官的诉讼
确实让他们

在程序如何运作方面领先一步。

但随着社会的变化,

我们对法官的期望
也在发生变化。

越来越多的法官被要求

提供
一系列额外的非法律技能。

他们必须是管理者和领导者,在

政治和文化上精通,

能够应对无情的审查
和社会孤立。

我们不一定期望
或什至重视大律师的这些技能。

当我们的目标是
建立一个更加多元化的司法机构时

,问题实际上会变得更糟。

如果我们想要更少男性、更少苍白的法官,

我们不太可能
在大律师室找到他们。

不可能指望那些没有
在法庭上度过一生的人

只知道审判是如何运作的,

无论
他们在其他方面多么出色。

因此,您最终
会遇到这样一种情况,即没有新

法官实际上可能掌握所有
优点拼图。

但是
这些缺失部分的

数量和形状因法官而异。

这怎么行?

为什么我们的系统会
假设任何人都

为如此艰巨的工作做好了准备?

事实证明,有一些
非常强烈的文化原因。

研究司法的人,
现在就是我

,传统上不愿意
谈论幕后的问题,

比如做法官,

因为害怕被
视为干涉司法独立。

我认为这已经走得太远了。

独立取决于公众的信心。

我们不能再期望我们
相信无法解释和证明的事情。

但法律精英们显然
对维持现状很感兴趣。

作为一名律师,

批评

我的大律师朋友
们认为是自然发展的过程,

甚至是一种权利,这让我感到不舒服。

让任何律师公开
谈论学习如何判断是很困难的。

像我这样的人很快就会

明白,承认司法
野心是不合时宜的。

你可以立志成为一名大律师,
这让你有机会参加竞选,

但你不能被视为在
约会。

与医学等职业形成鲜明对比。

法律上的激励措施都是倒退的。

我开始

意识到,只有面对
这些文化障碍

,我才有希望

从为什么突破到如何。

那么我们如何谈论做法官呢?

首先是政府
对自己的流程承担更多责任。

而且不仅仅是解释
为什么它会选择一个人而不是另一个人,

尽管这会有所帮助。

我的首要任务
是对法官的持续教育。

澳大利亚的法官实际上
现在确实会去法官学校,

有点,

但只有
在他们已经在工作时才会闭门造车。

它被标记为 CPD:持续
专业发展,


对于律师

和其他现代专业人士来说是完全常规和强制性的。

但是因为没有人
应该告诉法官该做什么

或如何思考

,以防破坏
他们的独立性,

这一切都是自愿的。

原则上,像我这样的法官
只能说不。

CPD 的标签巧妙地避免
了房间里的大象

,每个现代律师
至少需要一些帮助来

学习如何成为一名优秀的
法官。

实际上
,司法教育领域开始出现一些惊人的工作,

但还远远不够。

无论如何

,最重要的是那些预先任命的年份

政府
在这里根本没有承担任何责任。

为了摆脱对想成为
法官的污名,

这个职业本身必须改变。

无论是正式的还是非正式的,

我们都需要
思考司法职业道路

,积极创造司法价值。

我们需要支持像我这样的年轻律师,

尤其是多元化的律师

,去做
能让他们成为伟大法官的事情,

而不仅仅是伟大的律师,

尤其是当这些事情

不太可能让他们
晋升为律师时。

事后看来,我希望

在社区正义、

技术和管理等方面有更多的经验。

我真希望我能
去法官学校。

准备得更充分的律师
意味着

为那些选择
和管理法官的人提供更好的投入,

并最终更好地
证明这些法官值得你信任。

这就是一切都回来了。

我们任何人,任何一天,

都可以在法官手中找到我们的未来

在那一刻,

我们需要
能够看着对方的眼睛,

并且知道我们可以信任这个系统。

谢谢你。

(掌声)