Language finds a way

my name is hannah

and i’m a lecturer in science

communication and that’s all about

teaching scientists and science

communication students how to

communicate

about science and technology and the

related concepts

um to put different publics who might

know less about those things

um but my background’s actually in

linguistics

and studying language and my phd was

actually about evolutionary linguistics

and thinking about how

um our human ancestors uh went from a

stage

when they didn’t have language um to a

stage

where they do have language right and

those kind of subjects seem

uh not people kind of struggle to see

how they’re related or how i kind of

went from one to the other but i think

this one key concept

um that really links them quite well and

that concept

is the concept of shared knowledge

um so to explain shared knowledge um i

usually like to use the example

of ted danson this is because one time i

did a talk

and somebody reviewed the talk and said

there was way more ted danson in it than

than he was expecting there to be and

that’s created this expectation

that ted dunstan has to be in every

single talk i give

but ted dunstan he’s just he’s a

friendly guy he likes to talk to people

he likes to have a chat

um but it’s easier for ted danson to

talk to some people

than to other people and the easiest

person for ted danson to have a

conversation with

uh is himself because he speaks the same

language as himself

he has exactly the same cultural

background as himself

and has exactly the same overlapping

knowledge as himself

and so it’s almost as if he doesn’t even

need to open his mouth to have that

conversation

right he is himself but if ted dunson

was to instead

go on a little world tour if he came to

newcastle

had a conversation with me um he’d

probably be quite um

successful in communicating with me we

both share the same language we both

speak

english but in order to have that

conversation

he has to make all sorts of assumptions

about what i know

and what references i’ll get um we have

a bit of a generational

difference and also a little bit of a

cultural difference

i live in the uk he lives in america

right so there might be some things

topics that he might avoid because he

thinks i won’t get it

and that’s fine but instead then if he

went to um somewhere

like japan and went and spoke to one of

the locals

who doesn’t necessarily speak english um

he would have a much more difficult time

having that conversation right because

he doesn’t have a shared

language um so then he needs to start

thinking about what his shared knowledge

is

in order to start trying to communicate

with

a specific person right and he might do

that by using kind of

a global conventions that human have

humans have he might start pointing to

things or gesturing things that he knows

that we have in common

it’s quite easy to kind of gesture

things like emotions because we know

that

all humans share emotions so you can

gesture laughing you can gesture crying

and people will get that let’s now

imagine instead that ted danson goes on

holiday to mars

and starts to try and have conversations

uh with aliens

all aliens come to earth and start

trying to have a conversation

with ted danson right this creates a

much more difficult problem

because not only did they not share a

shared

cultural background or a shared

knowledge but they also don’t have a

shared language or even a shared notion

of what language

might be and that’s why aliens come into

earth is

a lot more kind of comparable when we in

terms of situation where we think about

the the the problem that our ancestors

had to overcome

when they were kind of negotiating um

the first human

um language type communication systems

right there was no

existing notion of what language was or

what it looked like right

it’s very similar to the to the the

problem that they try and uh

solve in the film arrival um has anybody

seen a rival

yeah i have an arrival tattoo if anybody

wants to see it in the interval

um but so for the benefit of the people

in the room who haven’t seen

a rival and for the entertainment of

those who have i’m gonna um

enact a small scene from the beginning

of the film um

so the self is that aliens have landed

on earth um

that’s in the trailer so it’s not a

spoiler and amy

adams uh plays a linguistics professor

and she’s sat in her office

watching the news because aliens have

landed and who wouldn’t be watching the

news in that instance

and this helicopter lands outside um

and it’s forest whitaker uh who plays an

army general

and he comes charging at the off uh amy

adams’s office

um and and has this tape recorder and

puts the tape recorder down

and says um i need uh you to do a

translation for me

presses the play button on the the the

recorder

and there’s this sound that comes out of

this recorder which is it sounds a

little bit like this it goes

uh and and amy i’m just like oh my god

is that the

aliens and and forrest whitaker’s like

yeah

can you translate it i’m glad you’re

laughing right

because this is actually what happens in

the film and everybody’s like yeah okay

but it is ridiculous

and naomi is like no matt i don’t speak

alien

um and the first work is like uh

yeah but can you hear any phrases can

you hear any words and she’s like

no i don’t speak alien

um like you just you’ve got a recording

here but i’m not aware of the context in

which

the aliens are making these noises i’m

not aware of the environment

um i’m not able to interact with them

you know you’re making a huge assumption

here that it the aliens are even

communicating using

uh the medium of sound right which is an

enormous assumption

and forest whitaker is like oh you were

really good at translating the farsi

that i brought you before

and jeremy adams is like i already spoke

farsi

this is a really really difficult

problem i need to be in front of the

aliens right in order to do this

and for the rest of the film like she

does that she gets taken to the aliens

and

she has this very long negotiation to

kind of work out a communication system

that they can share

but i think that this really really

highlights how difficult this problem is

um how difficult the problem of trying

to communicate when you have very very

little

in terms of shared knowledge and in

terms of

um a shared language it’s really really

difficult

when you’re talking to aliens it’s

really really difficult um

when your our human ancestor negotiates

a language and it’s also um difficult

for science communicators

trying to communicate with people about

science when they’ve been thinking about

something really really really specific

for a long time and a completely lost

um track of kind of what normal people

know right

so this is why everything’s kind of

connected um

and uh this notion of communicating to

aliens i mean it rivals fiction right

aliens haven’t actually landed on earth

but um

humans have in reality um previously um

tried to communicate

with aliens so this um object here is

known as the golden record

um so the golden record was a plaque

that they mounted

on the voyager space probe and people

sometimes get this confused

with the plaques that they put on the

pioneer

space probes the plaques on the pioneer

space robes had um two

naked humans on them a man and a woman

the the golden record

came three years after um those ones um

and the reason why there’s no naked

humans on this one

is because a lot of people rang nasa and

complained that we were sending nudes

into space

um i guess assuming that like aliens

have the same kind of

cultural hang-ups about our naked bodies

as we do

um but

so yeah so when carl sagan came to

design the golden record like nasa

literally

wouldn’t let him put naked humans on

because of the kind of

public backlash that they got after the

um

after the pioneer ones so the thing

about these space probes is that we sent

them

all the way out to the very very edges

of our solar system

and and they were communicating with us

the whole time and sending pictures back

um if anybody’s seen the pill blue dot

picture of earth from

you know uh really far away

that’s uh where that picture comes from

but all of these space probes have now

left the solar system they’ve gone

beyond the solar system

we’ve lost communication with them um we

don’t know where they are anymore and

the idea is that in about

a thousand million years and we’ll all

be dead

probably um aliens might come across one

of these space probes

um and try and work out what these

strange symbols mean right

and be like oh um you know there right

there is intelligent life out there

and we found evidence of it because

these are clearly communicative

images um and sounds because it’s also a

record

even though the the golden record

doesn’t have nudes on it and one thing

there’s two things that it does have on

it that it shares with the pioneer

plaque so there’s two things on this

image that are also on the pioneer

plaques one of them is this little guy

in the bottom right sorry i don’t have a

laser of the west side point to it but

these two little circle things

um and they represent the um two states

of

of hydrogen and the reason why that’s on

there

is because hydrogen is the most abundant

chemical

um uh the most abundant element in the

universe right so it’s likely that if

there is intelligent life out there

um they’ve probably worked out that

hydrogen exists because there’s so much

of it all over the universe right

so this is a really really good thing to

try and communicate because we know that

it shared knowledge

between us and between the aliens right

um so it’s like

just a kind of indicator to say yet

we’re aware that this exists

um so you know that we are also

intelligent life forms trying to have

this conversation with you the other

thing that is shared between

both um the the pioneer plaques and the

voyager

golden record is um the big spiky thing

which is on the on the bottom left and

that is a pulsar map

um of where our solar system is in

relationship to

um all of the different pulsar stars

that we’ve detected

right so it’s basically a map to say

where we are

in the universe has anybody ever kind of

downloaded an app on their phone and the

app has asked

are you okay with sharing your location

data with me

and every now and then at least i do

pause and think i don’t know if i am

okay with you knowing my location there

but some guys including carl sagan back

in the 1970s

um all sat down and made this decision

on behalf of all of humanity

that in thousands of millions of years

um

some aliens are gonna find this plaque

um

and and they’re gonna know exactly where

we are in the universe

and they haven’t ticked the consent box

for that

and i’m not sure i’m okay with that

there’s nothing i can do about it now

um i’m not sure i’m okay with that um

especially

because like three years earlier uh we

sent them our nudes

yeah so i think that um this is a really

really nice example of why share

knowledge is so important when we don’t

have

a shared language um and i also think

it’s an absolute

successful bits of science communication

that’s happened in the past

uh few decades it inspired a whole

generation to really think really really

deeply about some of these topics

and so this is one of my favorite

objects but yeah that’s why

aliens language and science

communication are all connected

thank you

我的名字是汉娜

,我是一名科学

传播讲师,这就是

教科学家和科学

传播学生如何

就科学技术和

相关概念进行交流

实际上是在

语言学

和学习语言方面,我的博士学位

实际上是关于进化语言学的,

思考我们的人类祖先是如何从

他们没有语言的

阶段发展

到他们确实有语言的阶段,而

这些学科似乎

呃不是人们很难

看到他们是如何相关的,或者我是如何

从一个到另一个的,但我认为

这是一个关键概念

,真的很好地将它们联系在一起,

这个概念是共享知识的概念,

嗯,所以 解释共享知识 嗯,我

通常喜欢用

ted danson 的例子,这是因为有一次我

做了一个演讲

,有人回顾了演讲并说

里面的 ted danson

比他预期的要多得多,

这造成了这种期望

,即 ted dunstan 必须参加

我的每一次谈话,

但 ted dunstan 他只是一个

友好的人,他喜欢和他喜欢的人交谈

聊天,

嗯,但是 ted danson

与某些人交谈

比与其他人交谈更容易,而 ted danson 最容易

与 uh 交谈的人

是他自己,因为他和自己说同样的

语言,

他有完全相同的文化

背景 作为他自己,并且拥有与他自己

完全相同的重叠

知识

,所以几乎就好像他甚至

不需要张开嘴就能进行正确的

对话一样,

他就是他自己,

但如果 ted 来到

纽卡斯尔

和我交谈过,嗯,他

可能会非常

成功地与我

交流

o

对我所知道的

和我会得到的参考做出各种假设 嗯,我们

有一点代际

差异,也有一点

文化差异

我住在英国 他住在美国,

所以可能会有一些

他可能会回避的话题,因为他

认为我不会明白

,这很好,但是如果他

日本这样的地方去和一个

不一定会说英语的当地人交谈,

他会有一个

进行正确的对话要困难得多,因为

他没有共同的

语言,嗯,所以他需要开始

思考他的共同知识是什么

,以便开始尝试与

特定的人正确交流,他可以

通过使用来做到这一点

一种人类拥有的全球惯例

所有人类都分享情感,所以你可以

做出笑的手势 你可以做出哭的手势,人们会明白的 现在让我们

想象一下 ted danson

去火星度假

并开始尝试

与外星人对话 呃

所有外星人来到地球并开始

尝试

与 ted danson 对话,这会造成一个

更加困难的问题,

因为他们不仅没有

共同的

文化背景或共同的

知识,而且他们也没有

共同的语言,甚至没有共同的语言概念

,那就是

当我们

考虑到我们的祖先在进行谈判时必须克服的问题时,为什么

外星人来到地球

更具

可比性 没有

关于语言是什么或

看起来正确的概念

这与他们尝试

解决的问题非常相似 lm 到达 嗯,有没有人

看到过对手

是的,如果有人

想在间隔期间看到它,我有一个到达

纹身 我要在电影

开头演一个小场景,

所以自我是外星人降落

在地球上,嗯

,在预告片中,所以这不是

剧透,艾米亚当斯扮演语言学教授

,她坐在办公室里

看新闻是因为外星人

降落了,

在那种情况下谁不会看新闻

,这架直升机降落在外面,

嗯,森林惠特克扮演一名

陆军将军

,他来到艾米

亚当斯的办公室,

嗯,然后有 这

录音机放下录音机

说嗯我需要你帮

我翻译

按下录音机上的播放按钮

这台录音机发出声音,这听起来

有点像 t like this it goes

uh and amy i’m just like Oh my God

is that the

aliens and and forrest whitaker’s like yes

you can translate it 我很高兴你

笑得对,

因为这实际上是

电影中发生的事情 每个人都喜欢,好吧,

但这很荒谬

,娜奥米就像我不会说

外星人,

嗯,第一部作品就像嗯,

是的,但你能听到任何短语

吗?你能听到任何词吗?她就像

不,我不会说外星人

嗯,就像你一样,只是你在这里有录音

,但我不知道

外星人发出这些声音的背景我

不知道环境

嗯我无法与他们互动

你知道你' 在这里重新做出一个巨大的

假设,即外星人甚至

使用

呃声音媒介进行交流,这是一个

巨大的假设

,森林惠特克就像哦,你

真的很擅长

翻译我之前给你带来的波斯语

,杰里米亚当斯就像我一样 已经讲过

波斯语了,

这真的很不一样

我需要在外星人面前

正确地做到这一点,

并且在电影的其余部分中,就像她

一样,她被带到外星人

那里,她进行了很长时间的谈判,

以制定一个通信

系统 他们可以分享,

但我认为这真的

突出了这个问题是

多么困难,

当你

在共享知识和

嗯共享语言方面非常少时,尝试沟通的问题是多么

困难,

当你 ‘正在和外星人交谈,

当你我们的人类祖先谈判

一种语言时,真的非常困难,而且当

科学传播者长期以来

一直在思考

一些非常非常具体的事情时,试图与人们交流科学也很困难,

并且 完全

迷失了一种正常人都知道的东西,

所以这就是为什么一切都是

相互联系的,嗯

,嗯,这种沟通的概念 对

外星人说,我的意思是它可以与小说相媲美,

外星人实际上并没有降落在地球上,

但是嗯,

人类实际上已经在现实中,嗯,以前,嗯,

试图

与外星人交流,所以这个嗯物体在这里被

称为黄金唱片,

嗯,所以黄金唱片是一块牌匾

他们安装

在航海者太空探测器上,人们

有时会将此

与他们放在

先锋

太空探测器上的牌匾混淆 先锋

太空长袍上的牌匾上有两个

裸体的人,一个男人和一个

女人,金唱片

来了三个 嗯,那些年之后,嗯,这个

没有裸体

人类的原因

是因为很多人打电话

给美国国家航空航天局并抱怨我们正在将裸体

送入太空,

嗯,我想假设像外星人一样

有同样的

文化障碍 关于我们的裸体,

就像我们一样

他们在先驱者之后得到了

所以

关于这些太空探测器的事情是我们将

它们

一直发送到

我们太阳系的最边缘

并且他们一直在与我们通信

并将照片发回

嗯 如果有人从你那里看到地球的蓝色圆点

图,

你知道,呃,真的很远

,那是那个图片的来源,

但所有这些太空探测器现在都

离开了太阳系,它们已经

超出了

我们失去联系的太阳系 他们,嗯,

我们不再知道他们在哪里,

这个想法是,在大约

一亿年后,我们都

将死去,

嗯,外星人可能会

遇到这些太空探测器中的一个

意思是正确的

,就像哦,嗯,你知道

那里有智慧生命

,我们发现了它的证据,因为

这些显然是交流的

图像和声音,因为它也是一张

记录,

即使黄金 n 唱片

上没有裸体,一

件事上确实有两

件事与先驱牌匾共享,

所以这张图片上有两件事

也在先驱

牌匾上,其中一个是这个小

家伙 右下角对不起,我没有

西侧的激光指向它,但是

这两个小圆圈的东西,

嗯,它们代表

了氢的两种状态,之所以在

那里,

是因为氢是最丰富的

化学物质

嗯,宇宙中最丰富的元素,

所以很可能如果

那里有智慧生命,

嗯,他们可能已经知道

氢的存在,因为整个宇宙中都有这么多的元素,

所以这真的是一件非常好的事情

尝试和交流,因为我们知道

在我们之间和外星人之间共享知识,

嗯,所以这

就像一个指标,但

我们知道这存在,

所以你知道我们也是

智能的 试图与您进行对话的绅士生命形式

嗯,先驱牌匾和

航海者

黄金唱片之间共享的另一件事是,嗯,在左下角的那个大尖刺的东西

那是脉冲星地图,

嗯 我们的太阳系

与我们正确

探测到的所有不同脉冲星的关系

所以它基本上是一张地图,

说明我们

在宇宙中的位置有没有人

在他们的手机上下载过应用程序并且

应用程序已经询问

你可以和我分享你的位置

数据

吗?至少我会时不时地停下来想我不知道我是否可以接受你知道我在那里的位置,

但是包括卡尔·萨根在内的一些人

在 1970

年代都坐着 下来,

代表全人类

做出这个决定,在几百万年之后,

一些外星人会找到这个牌匾

,他们会知道

我们在宇宙中的确切位置

,他们没有勾选 nt 盒子

,我不确定我

是否可以,现在

我无能为力,嗯,我不确定我是否可以接受,

尤其是

因为就像三年前一样,嗯,我们

给他们发了我们的裸体

是的 所以我认为嗯,这是一个

非常好的例子,说明为什么

在我们

没有共享语言的情况下共享知识如此重要,嗯,我也认为

这是过去几十年发生的绝对

成功的科学交流

激发了整整

一代人

对其中一些主题进行真正深入思考

,所以这是我最喜欢的对象之一,

但是,这就是为什么

外星人的语言和科学

交流都是相互联系的,

谢谢