Sophie Williams The rigged test of leadership TED

Transcriber:

I spend most of my time
talking and thinking and writing

about women’s experiences
in UK and US workplaces,

particularly, Black women’s experiences.

And so for me, understanding
the glass cliff –

the situation that underrepresented
leaders find themselves in

when they take on leadership positions,

only to find that their chances of success

have been limited
before they even begin –

really was an eye-opener.

Now, I’m aware that for a lot of people,

this might be the first time
you’re hearing about the glass cliff.

And so I think the easiest way
into the conversation

is by starting with the glass ceiling,

that invisible but seemingly
impossible-to-break-through barrier

that sits above the heads
of women in business

and stops them from reaching
the absolute pinnacles

of their professional capabilities.

We talk a lot about
the glass ceiling being there

and what it’s like to live
and to work underneath it.

But we don’t really talk about
what happens to those people

who do manage to break through.

I feel like we maybe
have this shared imagination

that if someone were able
to break through the glass ceiling,

it would be onwards and upwards
from there, the sky’s the limit.

But in reality, that’s not
what often happens,

because all too often, when somebody
does break through the glass ceiling,

they find themselves in a new,
dangerous position.

They find themselves teetering on
the edge of the glass cliff.

So I’m going to talk about
underrepresented people a lot in this,

and that can mean so many different things

to different people in different moments
and different contexts.

But I’m talking about those people
who are most underrepresented

at the most senior levels of business.

So that is women,

and that’s racially
marginalized people –

essentially, anybody who’s not
both white and male.

And so the story often goes

that when underrepresented people
take over a business,

that business seems to start to fail.

And that’s really strange,

and if that’s true,
that’s worth looking into.

And so “The Times” newspaper
did look into it.

And they released an article
with the headline,

“Women on the Board:
A Help or a Hindrance?”

And they said what I’ve just told you,

that when women take over businesses
at those most senior levels –

board member, CEO –

that those businesses seem to find
themselves in a moment of trouble.

And so, they concluded
that women on the board were, in fact,

bad for business.

And they were right.

But just in one small way.

In 100 other, much bigger,
much more important ways,

they were absolutely wrong.

But we can start with
where they were right.

They were right
that the research does show

that when underrepresented people
do take on those most senior roles,

that businesses do seem to be
in a moment of trouble.

But it’s not like
they want you to think –

It’s not that we’ve, you know,
stomped our way into boardrooms,

only to look around and think,

“Oh, God, I don’t know
what I’m doing here.”

It’s not that at all.

But the reason you might think that

is that they haven’t told you
the beginning of the story.

And the beginning of the story
is what we need to understand

if we want to see what’s stopping
more people who aren’t both white and male

from being successful when
they take on leadership roles.

So, there’s a piece of research
from the University of Exeter.

They looked at FTSE 100 companies,

and when they appointed female leaders,

those businesses were
much more likely than average

to have already been
in a consistent period

of five months of poor performance.

And that poor performance
can look like all kinds of things.

It could be a reputational scandal

where the tarnish is likely to be
passed on to the new leader.

It could be a hit
to market valuations or to profit.

But whatever that was,

these businesses were all
much more likely than average

to have already been in a consistent
period of poor performance

before that new leader was appointed.

And this isn’t a single piece of research,

and it’s not even limited
to a single country.

Researchers at the University of Utah
did a really similar thing,

but they didn’t just look at
the appointment of women.

They looked at the appointment of women
and racially marginalized men.

And they looked at Fortune 500 companies
over a 15-year period –

so, a huge data set –

and they found exactly the same.

Those businesses that appointed
underrepresented leaders

were much more likely than average

to already be in a period
of poor performance.

So maybe you’re listening to this
and you’re thinking, “Well, so what?

So long as these people
are getting an opportunity,

why does it matter if the businesses
aren’t in perfect condition

before these people arrive?”

Well, one of the reasons it matters

is the narrative that
that pushes back to us.

If an underrepresented person
takes on a role

and their chances of being successful
are limited before they even begin,

if they do fail, if they do
fall off that cliff,

the message that we get back is:

“Well, of course they did.

Someone like that – that’s not
the right kind of person

to run a successful business.”

And so that message compounds,
and we just internalize it.

So I think all of this logically
leads us to two questions,

the first of which is:

Why is this happening?

Why are businesses that are in trouble

more likely to appoint
an underrepresented leader?

Well, it could be that,
in patriarchal societies,

women are viewed
as caregivers, as nurturers,

and so research has shown
that when a business is in trouble,

women are often appointed to lead,

not for their ability to make
transformational change,

but because of their
perceived soft skills,

for their ability to reengage
that workforce

and to get them back motivated again.

But importantly,

because she’s not hired for her ability
to make transformational change,

research shows that she’s often not given
the tools or the time necessary

to make that change.

And so her chances
of falling off that cliff

are increased before she even begins

because of the limitations
of the imaginations

of the people who have brought her in.

The second reason, to paraphrase
Kristin Anderson,

who’s a psychology professor
at the University of Houston,

is that in business, women might be seen
as more disposable, more expendable,

and that means they make
really good scapegoats.

In that case, if your business
isn’t doing well,

bringing in a female leader
could be a real win-win scenario.

If she comes in and is able to make that
transformational change, then great,

your business is transformed.

But if she’s not,

all of the blame is able
to be put onto her shoulders,

and she’s able to get
pushed out of the business,

pushed over that cliff.

Importantly, the research then shows

that she’s more likely than not
to be replaced by a white man,

a move known as the “savior effect.”

And that savior effect signals to us,
to shareholders, investors, employees,

that the business is back
in a safe pair of hands.

It’s back to business as usual.

And really importantly, that new
white male safe pair of hands

is more likely to be given both the tools
and the time necessary

to succeed where the underrepresented
person has failed.

So up until now, we’ve been
talking about what happens

when you are a racially
marginalized person

or a woman.

But as I said, the majority of my work
looks at Black women.

So what happens when we do take
that more intersectional look,

when we think about
the experiences of people

with not just one but two
marginalized identities?

As you might imagine,
it’s not the best story.

If a new Black woman takes over
the most senior role in the business –

board member, CEO –

we can safely assume two things.

The first thing that we can assume,
as we’ve discussed,

is the business might not be
in great shape.

And the second thing that we can assume

is that she’s likely to be managing
a large team of white men,

that leadership layer just below her,

her closest cohort.

And we can assume that because in 2019,

the Lean In Foundation reported that
white men make up about 30 percent

of that entry-level junior cohort.

But by the time we get to the C-suite,

that’s actually ballooned
up to 68 percent.

That means white men are the only group
whose representation grows

as they become more senior.

Or, to put it a different way:

they’re the only group who experienced
the opposite of the glass ceiling.

Instead of looking up and not being able
to see themselves reflected back at all,

they look up and see nothing but
themselves at the most senior levels.

That is, of course, until they don’t,

until they have a new boss
who’s somebody like a Black woman.

And the reason this matters is there’s
research from the University of Texas

and the University of Michigan,

and they looked at what happens
to that group of men

who are so used to seeing themselves
directly mirrored back

when they get a new boss
who doesn’t mirror

both their whiteness and their maleness.

And what they found was amazing.

They found that as soon as they get a boss

who doesn’t directly mirror them
in both of those ways,

they report feeling less personally
connected to the business,

less able to personally identify with it

and less personally invested in it.

And that means that their work
performance suffered;

they did worse at their jobs.

Now, if a business is already in trouble,

even the greatest leader is not
going to solve it single-handedly.

She needs her team,
particularly her senior team.

And so if they’ve stopped
doing their jobs properly,

all they’re doing is continuing to push
her towards the edge of that cliff.

The second thing that same
piece of research found was that

they stopped doing a really important
part of any manager’s job,

and that’s managing their teams.

They stopped developing, mentoring,

working with the people
who was their job to take care of.

But they didn’t stop doing that equally.

No, they mostly stopped helping,
working with, developing

anyone in that team
who was also racially marginalized.

And so in that way,
the glass cliff bites twice.

We’re not only pushing the existing leader
closer to the edge of their cliff,

we’re stopping what could be this new
cohort of underrepresented leaders

from coming up,

because we’re not giving them the same
support, guidance, mentorship, development

that the rest of their
colleagues are getting.

So I’m telling you this because I want you
to be a part of making this change.

And that might sound impossible.

You might be thinking,

“Well, I can’t change businesses
or charities, governments,

any of the places where we see
the glass cliff playing out.”

But – and stay with me for a second –

you can, because none
of those things are real.

Businesses, government, charities –
all of these things

are just groups of people
who’ve come together to do something.

And we’re a group of people
who have come together to do something,

and so we can make that change.

We can look at our own conscious
and unconscious biases,

and we can decide that we see the value
in all people all of the time,

not just some people,

when we have a problem
that they might be able to solve,

or something that we might be
able to blame them for.

So, as Angela Davis says,

we have to “… act as though
[it’s possible to change] the world.

And you have to do it all of the time."

And so that’s what I’m asking you to do.

I’m asking you to look at yourself

and to decide that you are not
going to be part of pushing anybody else

closer towards the edge
of their own cliff.

And I want you to know
that I’m going to be right alongside you,

trying to do the same.

抄写员:

我大部分时间都
在谈论、思考和写作

英国和美国工作场所的

女性经历,尤其是黑人女性的经历。

所以对我来说,
了解玻璃悬崖——

代表人数不足的
领导者在

担任领导职务时发现自己所处的情况,

却发现他们甚至在开始之前成功的机会

就已经有限
——

真的让他们大开眼界。

现在,我知道对于很多人来说,

这可能是你第一次
听说玻璃悬崖。

因此,我认为最简单
的对话

方式是从玻璃天花板开始,

这是一道无形但似乎
无法突破的障碍


位于商界女性的头顶

,阻止她们达到职业
的绝对

顶峰 能力。

我们谈论了很多关于
那里的玻璃天花板

以及在它
下面生活和工作的感觉。

但我们并没有真正谈论
那些成功突破的人会发生什么

我觉得我们可能
有一个共同的想象

,如果有人
能够突破玻璃天花板,

那将是从那里向上和向上
,天空是极限。

但在现实中,这种
情况并不经常发生,

因为很多时候,当
有人突破玻璃天花板时,

他们会发现自己处于一个新的、
危险的位置。

他们发现自己
在玻璃悬崖的边缘摇摇欲坠。

因此,我将
在此大量谈论代表性不足的人,这

对不同的人在不同的时刻
和不同的背景下可能意味着很多不同的事情。

但我说的是那些

在最高级别的企业中代表性最低的人。

所以那是女性

,那是种族
边缘化的人——

本质上,任何
既不是白人又不是男性的人。

所以故事经常这样说

,当代表性不足的人
接管一家企业时,

该企业似乎开始失败。

这真的很奇怪

,如果这是真的,
那值得研究。

所以《泰晤士报》
确实对此进行了调查。

他们发布了
一篇标题为

“董事会中的女性
:帮助还是阻碍?”的文章。

他们说我刚才告诉你的

,当女性
接管那些最高级别的企业——

董事会成员、首席执行官——

这些企业似乎发现
自己陷入了困境。

因此,他们得出的
结论是,董事会中的女性实际上

对企业不利。

他们是对的。

但只是在一个小方面。

在其他 100 种更大、
更重要的方式中,

他们是绝对错误的。

但我们可以从
他们正确的地方开始。

他们是对的
,研究确实表明

,当代表性不足的人
确实担任那些最高级的职位时

,企业似乎确实
陷入了困境。

但这并不是
他们想让你想的那样——

这并不是说我们,你知道,
我们跺着脚走进会议室,

只是环顾四周,想,

“哦,上帝,我不
知道我在这里做什么 。”

根本不是这样。

但你可能会这样认为的原因

是他们没有告诉你
故事的开始。

如果我们想知道是什么阻止了
更多既不是白人又不是男性

的人
在担任领导职务时取得成功,故事的开头就是我们需要了解的内容。

因此,
埃克塞特大学进行了一项研究。

他们研究了 FTSE 100 公司

,当他们任命女性领导人时,

这些企业
比平均水平更

可能已经

连续五个月表现不佳。

而这种糟糕的表现
可能看起来像各种各样的事情。

这可能是一场声誉丑闻

,玷污很可能会
传递给新领导人。

这可能
对市场估值或利润造成冲击。

但不管是什么,在任命新领导人之前,

这些企业
都比平均水平更

可能一直处于
业绩不佳的时期

这不是一项研究,

甚至不限
于一个国家。

犹他大学的研究人员
做了一件非常相似的事情,

但他们不仅仅关注
女性的任命。

他们研究了女性
和种族边缘化男性的任命。

他们研究了 15 年的财富 500 强公司
——

因此,这是一个庞大的数据集

——他们发现完全一样。

那些任命
代表性不足的领导者的企业

比平均水平更可能

已经处于
业绩不佳的时期。

所以也许你在听这个
,你在想,“好吧,那又怎样?

只要这些人
有机会,

在这些人到来之前,如果企业不处于完美状态又有什么关系呢?”

好吧,重要的原因之一

是回溯到我们的叙述。

如果一个未被充分代表的人
承担了一个角色,

并且他们成功的机会
在他们开始之前就受到了限制,

如果他们确实失败了,如果他们真的
从悬崖上掉下来

,我们得到的信息是:

“嗯,他们当然做到了。

这样的人——不是

经营成功企业的合适人选。”

所以这个信息复合了
,我们只是把它内化了。

所以我认为所有这些在逻辑上都
将我们引向两个问题

,第一个是:

为什么会发生这种情况?

为什么陷入困境的企业

更有可能
任命代表性不足的领导者?

嗯,这可能是因为
在父权社会中,

女性被
视为照顾者和养育者

,因此研究表明
,当企业陷入困境时,

女性往往被任命为领导者,

不是因为她们有能力做出
转型,

而是 因为他们
感知到的软技能,

因为他们有能力重新
吸引劳动力

并让他们重新获得动力。

但重要的是,

因为她不是因为她有能力
做出变革性改变而被聘用,

研究表明,她通常没有得到做出改变
所需的工具或时间

因此

在她开始之前,她从悬崖上掉下来的机会就增加了,

因为

把她带进来的人的想象力有限

。第二个原因,套用

休斯顿大学心理学教授克里斯汀安德森的话说,

是在商业中,女性可能被
视为更一次性,更易消耗的

,这意味着她们会成为
很好的替罪羊。

在这种情况下,如果您的业务
表现不佳,那么

引入女性领导者
可能是一个真正的双赢方案。

如果她进来并能够做出
变革性的改变,那么很好,

你的业务就会发生转变。

但如果她不是,

所有的责任都
可以推到她的肩上

,她可以
被赶出公司,

被推下悬崖。

重要的是,研究

表明她更有
可能被白人取代,

这一举动被称为“救世主效应”。

这种救世主效应向我们
、股东、投资者和员工发出信号,

表明企业重新
回到了安全的手中。

它恢复了正常工作。

真正重要的是,在代表性不足的人失败的情况下,新的
白人男性安全

双手更有可能获得成功所需的工具
和时间

所以到目前为止,我们一直在
谈论

当你是一个种族
边缘化的人

或女人时会发生什么。

但正如我所说,我的大部分作品都
着眼于黑人女性。

那么,当我们确实采取
这种更具交叉性的观点时,

当我们考虑

不仅具有一种而是两种
边缘化身份的人的经历时会发生什么?

正如您可能想象的那样,
这不是最好的故事。

如果一位新的黑人女性
担任企业中最高级的职位——

董事会成员、首席执行官——

我们可以放心地假设两件事。 正如我们所讨论的

,我们可以假设的第一件事

是业务可能
状况不佳。

我们可以假设的第二件事

是,她很可能管理着
一个庞大的白人团队,

即在她之下的领导层,

她最亲密的同伙。

我们可以假设,因为在 2019 年

,Lean In Foundation 报告说,
白人男性约占

入门级青少年群体的 30%。

但当我们到达最高管理层时,

这一比例实际上已
飙升至 68%。

这意味着白人男性是唯一
随着年龄增长而代表人数增加

的群体。

或者,换一种说法:

他们是唯一经历
了与玻璃天花板相反的群体。

他们没有抬头,根本
看不到自己的影子,

而是抬头一看,除了
自己在最高级别上什么也看不见。

那是,当然,直到他们没有,

直到他们有一个
像黑人女人一样的新老板。

这很重要的原因是
德克萨斯

大学和密歇根大学的研究

,他们研究了

那些习惯于看到自己
直接反映

在自己的新老板
时会发生什么

反映他们的白人和男性。

他们发现的是惊人的。

他们发现,一旦他们的

老板没有
以这两种方式直接反映他们的情况,

他们就会报告说感觉
与企业的个人联系减少了,

个人认同企业的能力

也下降了,个人对企业的投资也减少了。

这意味着他们的工作
表现受到了影响;

他们的工作做得更糟。

现在,如果一个企业已经陷入困境,

即使是最伟大的领导者也
不会单枪匹马地解决它。

她需要她的团队,
尤其是她的高级团队。

因此,如果他们停止
正常工作

,他们所做的就是继续将
她推向悬崖边缘。


一项研究发现的第二件事是,

他们不再做
任何经理工作中非常重要的部分

,那就是管理他们的团队。

他们停止了发展、指导和


他们工作的人一起工作。

但他们并没有停止平等地这样做。

不,他们大多停止帮助、
合作和培养

该团队
中同样被种族边缘化的任何人。

就这样
,玻璃悬崖咬了两次。

我们不仅将现有领导者
推向悬崖边缘,

而且阻止了可能出现的新
一批代表性不足的领导

者,

因为我们没有给他们同样的
支持、指导、指导和发展

他们的其他
同事正在得到。

所以我告诉你这个是因为我希望
你成为做出这种改变的一部分。

这听起来可能是不可能的。

你可能会想,

“好吧,我不能改变企业
或慈善机构、政府,

以及我们
看到玻璃悬崖上演的任何地方。”

但是 - 和我呆一会儿 -

你可以,因为
这些都不是真实的。

企业、政府、慈善机构——
所有这些

都只是一群
聚集在一起做某事的人。

我们是一
群聚在一起做某事的人

,所以我们可以做出改变。

我们可以审视自己有意识
和无意识的偏见

,我们可以决定

当我们遇到
他们可能能够解决的问题,

或者我们遇到的问题时,我们始终看到所有人的价值,而不仅仅是某些人。 也许
可以责怪他们。

因此,正如安吉拉·戴维斯所说,

我们必须“……表现得好像
[有可能改变]世界。

你必须一直这样做。”

这就是我要求你做的。

我要求你审视自己,

并决定你
不会成为推动其他人

接近的一部分
他们自己悬崖的边缘。

我想让你知道
,我会在你身边,

尝试做同样的事情。