Chimps have feelings and thoughts. They should also have rights

I’d like to have you look at this pencil.

It’s a thing. It’s a legal thing.

And so are books you might have
or the cars you own.

They’re all legal things.

The great apes that you’ll see behind me,

they too are legal things.

Now, I can do that to a legal thing.

I can do whatever I want
to my book or my car.

These great apes, you’ll see.

The photographs are taken by a man
named James Mollison

who wrote a book called
“James & Other Apes.”

And he tells in his book
how every single one them,

almost every one of them, is an orphan

who saw his mother and father
die before his eyes.

They’re legal things.

So for centuries, there’s been
a great legal wall

that separates legal things
from legal persons.

On one hand, legal things
are invisible to judges.

They don’t count in law.

They don’t have any legal rights.

They don’t have
the capacity for legal rights.

They are the slaves.

On the other side of that legal wall
are the legal persons.

Legal persons are very visible to judges.

They count in law.

They may have many rights.

They have the capacity
for an infinite number of rights.

And they’re the masters.

Right now, all nonhuman animals
are legal things.

All human beings are legal persons.

But being human and being a legal person

has never been, and is not today,
synonymous with a legal person.

Humans and legal persons
are not synonymous.

On the one side,

there have been many human beings
over the centuries

who have been legal things.

Slaves were legal things.

Women, children,
were sometimes legal things.

Indeed, a great deal of civil rights
struggle over the last centuries

has been to punch a hole
through that wall and begin to feed

these human things through the wall
and have them become legal persons.

But alas, that hole has closed up.

Now, on the other side are legal persons,

but they’ve never only been
limited to human beings.

There are, for example, there are many
legal persons who are not even alive.

In the United States,

we’re aware of the fact
that corporations are legal persons.

In pre-independence India,

a court held that a Hindu idol
was a legal person,

that a mosque was a legal person.

In 2000, the Indian Supreme Court

held that the holy books
of the Sikh religion was a legal person,

and in 2012, just recently,

there was a treaty between
the indigenous peoples of New Zealand

and the crown, in which it was agreed
that a river was a legal person

who owned its own riverbed.

Now, I read Peter Singer’s book in 1980,

when I had a full head
of lush, brown hair,

and indeed I was moved by it,

because I had become a lawyer because
I wanted to speak for the voiceless,

defend the defenseless,

and I’d never realized how voiceless
and defenseless the trillions,

billions of nonhuman animals are.

And I began to work
as an animal protection lawyer.

And by 1985, I realized that I was trying
to accomplish something

that was literally impossible,

the reason being that all of my clients,

all the animals whose interests
I was trying to defend,

were legal things; they were invisible.

It was not going to work, so I decided

that the only thing that was going to work
was they had, at least some of them,

had to also be moved through a hole
that we could open up again in that wall

and begin feeding the appropriate
nonhuman animals through that hole

onto the other side
of being legal persons.

Now, at that time, there was
very little known about or spoken about

truly animal rights,

about the idea of having legal personhood
or legal rights for a nonhuman animal,

and I knew it was going
to take a long time.

And so, in 1985, I figured that it
would take about 30 years

before we’d be able to even begin
a strategic litigation,

long-term campaign, in order to be able
to punch another hole through that wall.

It turned out that I was pessimistic,
that it only took 28.

So what we had to do in order
to begin was not only

to write law review articles
and teach classes, write books,

but we had to then begin
to get down to the nuts and bolts

of how you litigate that kind of case.

So one of the first things we needed to do
was figure out what a cause of action was,

a legal cause of action.

And a legal cause of action
is a vehicle that lawyers use

to put their arguments in front of courts.

It turns out there’s
a very interesting case

that had occurred almost 250 years ago
in London called Somerset vs. Stewart,

whereby a black slave
had used the legal system

and had moved from a legal thing
to a legal person.

I was so interested in it that I
eventually wrote an entire book about it.

James Somerset was an eight-year-old boy
when he was kidnapped from West Africa.

He survived the Middle Passage,

and he was sold to a Scottish businessman
named Charles Stewart in Virginia.

Now, 20 years later, Stewart
brought James Somerset to London,

and after he got there, James decided
he was going to escape.

And so one of the first things he did
was to get himself baptized,

because he wanted to get
a set of godparents,

because to an 18th-century slave,

they knew that one of the major
responsibilities of godfathers

was to help you escape.

And so in the fall of 1771,

James Somerset had a confrontation
with Charles Stewart.

We don’t know exactly what happened,
but then James dropped out of sight.

An enraged Charles Stewart
then hired slave catchers

to canvass the city of London,

find him, bring him
not back to Charles Stewart,

but to a ship, the Ann and Mary,
that was floating in London Harbour,

and he was chained to the deck,

and the ship was to set sail for Jamaica

where James was to be sold
in the slave markets

and be doomed to the three to five
years of life that a slave had

harvesting sugar cane in Jamaica.

Well now James' godparents
swung into action.

They approached the most powerful judge,

Lord Mansfield, who was chief judge
of the court of King’s Bench,

and they demanded that he issue
a common law writ of habeus corpus

on behalf of James Somerset.

Now, the common law is the kind of law
that English-speaking judges can make

when they’re not cabined in
by statutes or constitutions,

and a writ of habeus corpus
is called the Great Writ,

capital G, capital W,

and it’s meant to protect any of us
who are detained against our will.

A writ of habeus corpus is issued.

The detainer is required
to bring the detainee in

and give a legally sufficient reason
for depriving him of his bodily liberty.

Well, Lord Mansfield had to make
a decision right off the bat,

because if James Somerset
was a legal thing,

he was not eligible
for a writ of habeus corpus,

only if he could be a legal person.

So Lord Mansfield decided
that he would assume,

without deciding, that James Somerset
was indeed a legal person,

and he issued the writ of habeus corpus,
and James’s body was brought in

by the captain of the ship.

There were a series of hearings
over the next six months.

On June 22, 1772, Lord Mansfield
said that slavery was so odious,

and he used the word “odious,”

that the common law would not support it,
and he ordered James free.

At that moment, James Somerset
underwent a legal transubstantiation.

The free man who walked
out of the courtroom

looked exactly like the slave
who had walked in,

but as far as the law was concerned,
they had nothing whatsoever in common.

The next thing we did is that
the Nonhuman Rights Project,

which I founded, then began to look at
what kind of values and principles

do we want to put before the judges?

What values and principles
did they imbibe with their mother’s milk,

were they taught in law school,
do they use every day,

do they believe with all their hearts –
and we chose liberty and equality.

Now, liberty right is the kind of right
to which you’re entitled

because of how you’re put together,

and a fundamental liberty right
protects a fundamental interest.

And the supreme interest in the common law

are the rights to autonomy
and self-determination.

So they are so powerful that
in a common law country,

if you go to a hospital and you refuse
life-saving medical treatment,

a judge will not order it forced upon you,

because they will respect
your self-determination and your autonomy.

Now, an equality right is the kind
of right to which you’re entitled

because you resemble someone else
in a relevant way,

and there’s the rub, relevant way.

So if you are that, then because
they have the right, you’re like them,

you’re entitled to the right.

Now, courts and legislatures
draw lines all the time.

Some are included, some are excluded.

But you have to,
at the bare minimum you must –

that line has to be a reasonable means
to a legitimate end.

The Nonhuman Rights Project
argues that drawing a line

in order to enslave an autonomous
and self-determining being

like you’re seeing behind me,

that that’s a violation of equality.

We then searched through 80 jurisdictions,

it took us seven years,
to find the jurisdiction

where we wanted to begin
filing our first suit.

We chose the state of New York.

Then we decided upon
who our plaintiffs are going to be.

We decided upon chimpanzees,

not just because Jane Goodall
was on our board of directors,

but because they, Jane and others,

have studied chimpanzees
intensively for decades.

We know the extraordinary
cognitive capabilities that they have,

and they also resemble the kind
that human beings have.

And so we chose chimpanzees,
and we began to then canvass the world

to find the experts
in chimpanzee cognition.

We found them in Japan, Sweden, Germany,
Scotland, England and the United States,

and amongst them, they wrote
100 pages of affidavits

in which they set out more than 40 ways

in which their complex
cognitive capability,

either individually or together,

all added up to autonomy
and self-determination.

Now, these included, for example,
that they were conscious.

But they’re also conscious
that they’re conscious.

They know they have a mind.
They know that others have minds.

They know they’re individuals,
and that they can live.

They understand that they lived yesterday
and they will live tomorrow.

They engage in mental time travel.
They remember what happened yesterday.

They can anticipate tomorrow,

which is why it’s so terrible to imprison
a chimpanzee, especially alone.

It’s the thing that we do
to our worst criminals,

and we do that to chimpanzees
without even thinking about it.

They have some kind of moral capacity.

When they play economic games
with human beings,

they’ll spontaneously make fair offers,
even when they’re not required to do so.

They are numerate.
They understand numbers.

They can do some simple math.

They can engage in language –
or to stay out of the language wars,

they’re involved in intentional
and referential communication

in which they pay attention
to the attitudes of those

with whom they are speaking.

They have culture.

They have a material culture,
a social culture.

They have a symbolic culture.

Scientists in the Taï Forests
in the Ivory Coast

found chimpanzees who were using
these rocks to smash open

the incredibly hard hulls of nuts.

It takes a long time
to learn how to do that,

and they excavated the area
and they found

that this material culture,
this way of doing it,

these rocks, had passed down
for at least 4,300 years

through 225 chimpanzee generations.

So now we needed to find our chimpanzee.

Our chimpanzee,

first we found two of them
in the state of New York.

Both of them would die before
we could even get our suits filed.

Then we found Tommy.

Tommy is a chimpanzee.
You see him behind me.

Tommy was a chimpanzee.
We found him in that cage.

We found him in a small room
that was filled with cages

in a larger warehouse structure on a used
trailer lot in central New York.

We found Kiko, who is partially deaf.

Kiko was in the back of a cement
storefront in western Massachusetts.

And we found Hercules and Leo.

They’re two young male chimpanzees

who are being used for biomedical,
anatomical research at Stony Brook.

We found them.

And so on the last week of December 2013,

the Nonhuman Rights Project filed three
suits all across the state of New York

using the same common law
writ of habeus corpus argument

that had been used with James Somerset,

and we demanded that the judges issue
these common law writs of habeus corpus.

We wanted the chimpanzees out,

and we wanted them brought
to Save the Chimps,

a tremendous chimpanzee
sanctuary in South Florida

which involves an artificial lake
with 12 or 13 islands –

there are two or three acres
where two dozen chimpanzees live

on each of them.

And these chimpanzees would then live
the life of a chimpanzee,

with other chimpanzees in an environment
that was as close to Africa as possible.

Now, all these cases are still going on.

We have not yet run into
our Lord Mansfield.

We shall. We shall.

This is a long-term strategic
litigation campaign. We shall.

And to quote Winston Churchill,

the way we view our cases
is that they’re not the end,

they’re not even the beginning of the end,

but they are perhaps
the end of the beginning.

Thank you.

(Applause)

我想让你看看这支铅笔。

这是一回事。 这是合法的事情。

您可能拥有的书籍
或拥有的汽车也是如此。

都是合法的东西。

你会在我身后看到的类人猿,

它们也是合法的东西。

现在,我可以对合法的事情做到这一点。

我可以
对我的书或我的车做任何我想做的事。

这些大猩猩,你会看到的。

这些照片是由一个
名叫詹姆斯莫里森的

人拍摄的,他写了一本名为
“詹姆斯和其他猿类”的书。

他在书中讲述了
他们每一个人,

几乎每一个人,都是一个

亲眼目睹
父母死去的孤儿。

它们是合法的东西。

所以几个世纪以来,有
一道巨大的法律

墙将法律事物
与法人分隔开来。

一方面,
法官看不到法律的东西。

他们不计入法律。

他们没有任何合法权利。

他们没有
合法权利的能力。

他们是奴隶。

在那堵法律墙的另一边
是法人。

法人对法官来说非常明显。

他们算在法律上。

他们可能有很多权利。

他们
拥有无限数量的权利。

他们是大师。

现在,所有非人类动物
都是合法的。

所有人都是法人。

但是,作为人和成为法人

,从来都不是,现在也不
是法人的同义词。

人和法人
不是同义词。

一方面,

几个世纪

以来,有很多人是合法的。

奴隶是合法的东西。

妇女、儿童
,有时是合法的东西。

事实上,
过去几个世纪的大量民权斗争就是在这堵墙

上打一个洞
,开始通过墙喂

这些人类的东西
,让他们成为法人。

但很可惜,这个洞已经关闭了。

现在,另一边是法人,

但他们从来不只
限于人。

例如,有许多
法人甚至还没有活着。

在美国,

我们
知道公司是法人。

在独立前的印度

,法院认为印度教偶像
是法人

,清真寺是法人。

2000 年,印度最高法院

裁定锡克教的圣书
是法人,

而 2012 年,就在最近,

新西兰土著人民

与王室签订了一项条约,其中
同意 河是一个

拥有自己河床的法人。

现在,我在 1980 年读了彼得·辛格 (Peter Singer) 的书,

当时我有
一头浓密的棕色头发

,我确实被它感动了,

因为我成为了一名律师,因为
我想为无声的人说话,

为无助的人辩护,

并且 我从来没有意识到

数以亿计的非人类动物是多么的无声和无助。

我开始
担任动物保护律师。

到了 1985 年,我意识到我正在
尝试完成

一些几乎不可能的事情

,原因是我所有的客户,所有我试图捍卫

其利益的动物

都是合法的; 他们是隐形的。

它行不通,

所以我决定唯一可行的办法
是它们必须,至少其中一些,

还必须通过一个洞
,我们可以在墙上再次打开这个洞

,开始喂食 适当的
非人类动物通过那个洞

进入法人的另一
面。

现在,在那个时候,
很少有人知道或谈论

真正的动物权利,

关于为非人类动物拥有法人资格
或合法权利的想法

,我知道这将
需要很长时间。

因此,在 1985 年,我认为我们
甚至需要大约 30 年的

时间才能开始
一场战略性的诉讼、

长期的竞选活动,以便能够
在这堵墙上再打一个洞。

结果我很悲观
,只用了28。

所以我们要开始做的

不仅仅是写法律评论文章
和教课,写书,

但我们必须开始着手

您如何对此类案件提起诉讼的具体细节。

所以我们需要做的第一件事
就是弄清楚什么是

诉讼因由,一个合法的诉讼因由。

法律诉讼因由
是律师

用来将他们的论点提交法庭的工具。

事实证明

,大约 250 年前在伦敦发生了一个非常有趣的案例,
叫做萨默塞特诉斯图尔特案,

一个黑人
奴隶使用了法律制度

,从一个合法的东西
变成了一个法人。

我对它非常感兴趣,
最终写了一整本书。

詹姆斯·萨默塞特 (James Somerset) 在西非被绑架时是一个 8 岁的男孩

他在中间通道中幸存下来,

并被卖给了
弗吉尼亚州一位名叫查尔斯斯图尔特的苏格兰商人。

现在,20 年后,斯图尔特
把詹姆斯·萨默塞特带到了伦敦

,在他到达那里后,詹姆斯决定
他要逃跑。

所以他做的第一件事
就是让自己受洗,

因为他想要
一套教父母,

因为对于一个 18 世纪的奴隶来说,

他们知道教父的主要
职责之一

就是帮助你逃脱。

所以在 1771 年秋天,

詹姆斯·萨默塞特
与查尔斯·斯图尔特发生了冲突。

我们不知道到底发生了什么,
但詹姆斯随后就消失了。

愤怒的查尔斯斯图尔特
随后雇用奴隶捕手

在伦敦市游说,

找到他,不是把他
带回查尔斯斯图尔特,

而是把他带到一艘
漂浮在伦敦港的船,

安和玛丽,他被锁在甲板上 ,

而这艘船将启航前往牙买加

,在那里詹姆斯将
在奴隶市场上出售,

并注定
了一个奴隶

在牙买加收获甘蔗的三到五年的生命。

好吧,现在詹姆斯的教
父母开始行动了。

他们找到了最有权势的法官

曼斯菲尔德勋爵,他是
国王法庭的首席法官

,他们要求他代表詹姆斯·萨默塞特
签发普通法的人身保护令状

现在,普通法
是讲英语的

法官在
不受法规或宪法约束时可以制定的法律

,人身保护令
被称为 Great Writ,

大写 G,大写 W

,它的意思是 保护我们中的任何
人违反我们的意愿被拘留。

签发人身保护令状。

拘留者必须将被拘留者带入


提供剥夺其人身自由的充分合法理由。

好吧,曼斯菲尔德勋爵必须立即
做出决定,

因为如果詹姆斯·萨默塞特
是合法的,那么

他没有资格
获得人身保护令

,除非他可以成为法人。

因此,曼斯菲尔德勋爵决定
,他会

假设詹姆斯·
萨默塞特确实是一个法人,

而不做决定,他签发了人身保护令
,詹姆斯的尸体

由船长运来。 在接下来的六个月

里,举行了一系列听证会

1772 年 6 月 22 日,曼斯菲尔德勋爵
说奴隶制是如此可恶

,他使用了“可恶”这个词,

普通法不支持它
,他命令詹姆斯自由。

在那一刻,詹姆斯·萨默塞特
经历了一次法律变体。

走出法庭的自由人与走进

的奴隶一模一样

但在法律上,
他们没有任何共同之处。

接下来我们做的事情是我创立
的非人权项目

,然后开始研究我们想把
什么样的价值观和原则

摆在法官面前?

他们从母乳中汲取了哪些价值观和原则,

他们是否在法学院教授过,
他们是否每天都在使用,

他们是否全心全意地相信
——我们选择了自由和平等。

现在,自由权
是一种你有权享有的权利,

因为你是如何组合在一起的

,基本自由权
保护基本利益。

普通法的最高

利益是自治权
和自决权。

所以他们是如此强大,以至于
在一个普通法国家,

如果你去医院并且你拒绝
挽救生命的医疗

,法官不会下令强加给你,

因为他们会尊重
你的自决和自主权。

现在,平等
权利是您有权享有的权利,

因为您在相关方面与其他人相似

并且有摩擦,相关的方式。

所以如果你是那样,那么因为
他们有权利,你就像他们一样,

你有权享有权利。

现在,法院和
立法机关一直在划线。

有些被包括在内,有些被排除在外。

但是你必须,
至少你必须——

这条线必须是
达到合法目的的合理手段。

非人权项目
认为,

为了奴役一个像你在我身后看到的自主
和自决的存在而划清界限

这是对平等的侵犯。

然后,我们搜索了 80 个司法管辖区,

用了 7 年时间,

找到我们想要开始
提起第一起诉讼的司法管辖区。

我们选择了纽约州。

然后我们决定
谁是我们的原告。

我们决定研究黑猩猩,

不仅仅是因为珍·古道尔
是我们的董事会成员,

还因为珍·古道尔和其他人

几十年来一直在深入研究黑猩猩。

我们知道
它们具有非凡的认知能力,它们也

与人类具有的相似。

所以我们选择了黑猩猩,
然后我们开始在世界范围

内寻找
黑猩猩认知方面的专家。

我们在日本、瑞典、德国、
苏格兰、英国和美国找到

了他们,其中,他们写了
100 页的宣誓书

,其中列出了 40 多种

方式,他们的复杂
认知能力,

无论是单独的还是共同的,

都 加起来就是自治
和自决。

现在,这些包括,例如
,他们是有意识的。

但他们也
意识到他们是有意识的。

他们知道他们有头脑。
他们知道别人有思想。

他们知道他们是个体
,他们可以生活。

他们明白他们活在昨天
,他们将活在明天。

他们从事心理时间旅行。
他们记得昨天发生的事情。

他们可以预见明天,

这就是为什么囚禁黑猩猩如此可怕
,尤其是单独囚禁。

这是我们
对最严重的罪犯所做的

事情,我们对黑猩猩这样做
甚至都没有考虑过。

他们有某种道德能力。

当他们与人类玩经济游戏
时,

他们会自发地提供公平的报价,
即使他们不需要这样做。

他们是数数。
他们理解数字。

他们可以做一些简单的数学运算。

他们可以参与语言——
或者为了远离语言战争,

他们参与了有意
和参考的交流,

在这种交流中他们关注

与他们交谈的人的态度。

他们有文化。

他们有物质文化
,社会文化。

他们有一种象征性的文化。 科特迪瓦

塔伊森林的科学家们

发现了黑猩猩,它们正在使用
这些岩石来

粉碎坚硬无比的坚果壳。 学习如何做到

这一点需要很长时间

,他们挖掘了该地区
,他们

发现这种物质文化,
这种做法,

这些岩石,已经通过 225 代黑猩猩传承
了至少 4,300 年

所以现在我们需要找到我们的黑猩猩。

我们的黑猩猩,

首先我们在纽约州找到了其中的两只

在我们提起诉讼之前,他们俩都会死

然后我们找到了汤米。

汤米是一只黑猩猩。
你看到他在我身后。

汤米是一只黑猩猩。
我们在那个笼子里找到了他。

我们在纽约市中心

一个旧拖车场的一个较大仓库结构中的一个装满笼子的小房间里找到了他

我们找到了部分失聪的 Kiko。

Kiko 在
马萨诸塞州西部一家水泥店的后面。

我们找到了 Hercules 和 Leo。

他们是两只年轻的雄性黑猩猩

,被用于石溪的生物医学和
解剖学研究。

我们找到了他们。

因此,在 2013 年 12 月的最后一周

,非人权项目
在整个纽约州提起

了三起诉讼,使用了与詹姆斯·萨默塞特 (James Somerset) 相同的普通法人身保护令论点

,我们要求法官发布
这些诉讼 人身保护令的普通法令状。

我们希望黑猩猩离开

,我们希望将它们
带到拯救黑猩猩,这

是南佛罗里达州的一个巨大的黑猩猩保护区,

其中包括一个
有 12 或 13 个岛屿的人工湖——

有两三英亩的土地
,每个岛上生活着两打黑猩猩

.

然后这些黑猩猩将过着
黑猩猩的生活,

与其他黑猩猩一起生活
在尽可能接近非洲的环境中。

现在,所有这些案件仍在继续。

我们还没有遇到
我们的曼斯菲尔德勋爵。

我们应该。 我们应该。

这是一场长期的战略性
诉讼活动。 我们应该。

引用温斯顿·丘吉尔

的话,我们看待案件的方式
是,它们不是结束,

它们甚至不是结束的开始,

但它们可能
是开始的结束。

谢谢你。

(掌声)