You have no idea where camels really come from Latif Nasser

So, this is a story

about how we know what we know.

It’s a story about this woman,

Natalia Rybczynski.

She’s a paleobiologist,

which means she specializes
in digging up really old dead stuff.

(Audio) Natalia Rybczynski: Yeah,
I had someone call me “Dr. Dead Things.”

Latif Nasser: And I think
she’s particularly interesting

because of where she digs that stuff up,

way above the Arctic Circle
in the remote Canadian tundra.

Now, one summer day in 2006,

she was at a dig site called
the Fyles Leaf Bed,

which is less than 10 degrees latitude
away from the magnetic north pole.

(Audio) NR: Really, it’s not
going to sound very exciting,

because it was a day of walking
with your backpack and your GPS

and notebook and just picking up
anything that might be a fossil.

LN: And at some point,
she noticed something.

(Audio) NR: Rusty, kind of rust-colored,

about the size of the palm of my hand.

It was just lying on the surface.

LN: And at first she thought
it was just a splinter of wood,

because that’s the sort of thing
people had found

at the Fyles Leaf Bed before –
prehistoric plant parts.

But that night, back at camp …

(Audio) NR: … I get out the hand lens,

I’m looking a little bit
more closely and realizing

it doesn’t quite look
like this has tree rings.

Maybe it’s a preservation thing,

but it looks really like …

bone.

LN: Huh. So over the next four years,

she went to that spot over and over,

and eventually collected 30 fragments
of that exact same bone,

most of them really tiny.

(Audio) NR: It’s not a whole lot.
It fits in a small Ziploc bag.

LN: And she tried to piece them
together like a jigsaw puzzle.

But it was challenging.

(Audio) NR: It’s broken up
into so many little tiny pieces,

I’m trying to use sand and putty,
and it’s not looking good.

So finally, we used a 3D surface scanner.

LN: Ooh!
NR: Yeah, right?

(Laughter)

LN: It turns out it was way easier
to do it virtually.

(Audio) NR: It’s kind of magical
when it all fits together.

LN: How certain were you
that you had it right,

that you had put it together
in the right way?

Was there a potential that you’d
put it together a different way

and have, like, a parakeet or something?

(Laughter)

(Audio) NR: (Laughs) Um, no.
No, we got this.

LN: What she had, she discovered,
was a tibia, a leg bone,

and specifically, one that belonged
to a cloven-hoofed mammal,

so something like a cow or a sheep.

But it couldn’t have been either of those.

It was just too big.

(Audio) NR: The size of this thing,
it was huge. It’s a really big animal.

LN: So what animal could it be?

Having hit a wall, she showed
one of the fragments

to some colleagues of hers in Colorado,

and they had an idea.

(Audio) NR: We took a saw,
and we nicked just the edge of it,

and there was this really interesting
smell that comes from it.

LN: It smelled kind of like singed flesh.

It was a smell that Natalia recognized

from cutting up skulls
in her gross anatomy lab:

collagen.

Collagen is what gives
structure to our bones.

And usually, after so many years,

it breaks down.

But in this case, the Arctic had acted
like a natural freezer and preserved it.

Then a year or two later,
Natalia was at a conference in Bristol,

and she saw that a colleague
of hers named Mike Buckley

was demoing this new process
that he called “collagen fingerprinting.”

It turns out that different species
have slightly different structures

of collagen,

so if you get a collagen profile
of an unknown bone,

you can compare it
to those of known species,

and, who knows, maybe you get a match.

So she shipped him one of the fragments,

FedEx.

(Audio) NR: Yeah, you want to track it.
It’s kind of important.

(Laughter)

LN: And he processed it,

and compared it to 37 known
and modern-day mammal species.

And he found a match.

It turns out that
the 3.5 million-year-old bone

that Natalia had dug
out of the High Arctic

belonged to …

a camel.

(Laughter)

(Audio) NR: And I’m thinking, what?
That’s amazing – if it’s true.

LN: So they tested
a bunch of the fragments,

and they got the same result for each one.

However, based on the size
of the bone that they found,

it meant that this camel was 30 percent
larger than modern-day camels.

So this camel would have been
about nine feet tall,

weighed around a ton.

(Audience reacts)

Yeah.

Natalia had found a Giant Arctic camel.

(Laughter)

Now, when you hear the word “camel,”

what may come to mind is one of these,

the Bactrian camel
of East and Central Asia.

But chances are the postcard image
you have in your brain

is one of these, the dromedary,

quintessential desert creature –

hangs out in sandy, hot places
like the Middle East and the Sahara,

has a big old hump on its back

for storing water
for those long desert treks,

has big, broad feet to help it
tromp over sand dunes.

So how on earth would one of these guys
end up in the High Arctic?

Well, scientists have known
for a long time, turns out,

even before Natalia’s discovery,

that camels are actually
originally American.

(Music: The Star-Spangled Banner)

(Laughter)

They started here.

For nearly 40 of the 45 million years
that camels have been around,

you could only find them in North America,

around 20 different species, maybe more.

(Audio) LN: If I put them all in a lineup,
would they look different?

NR: Yeah, you’re going to have
different body sizes.

You’ll have some with really long necks,

so they’re actually
functionally like giraffes.

LN: Some had snouts, like crocodiles.

(Audio) NR: The really primitive,
early ones would have been really small,

almost like rabbits.

LN: What? Rabbit-sized camels?

(Audio) NR: The earliest ones.

So those ones you probably
would not recognize.

LN: Oh my God, I want a pet rabbit-camel.

(Audio) NR: I know,
wouldn’t that be great?

(Laughter)

LN: And then about three
to seven million years ago,

one branch of camels
went down to South America,

where they became llamas and alpacas,

and another branch crossed over
the Bering Land Bridge

into Asia and Africa.

And then around the end
of the last ice age,

North American camels went extinct.

So, scientists knew all of that already,

but it still doesn’t fully explain
how Natalia found one so far north.

Like, this is, temperature-wise,
the polar opposite of the Sahara.

Now to be fair,

three and a half million years ago,

it was on average 22 degrees Celsius
warmer than it is now.

So it would have been boreal forest,

so more like the Yukon or Siberia today.

But still, like, they would have
six-month-long winters

where the ponds would freeze over.

You’d have blizzards.

You’d have 24 hours a day
of straight darkness.

Like, how … How?

How is it that one of these
Saharan superstars

could ever have survived
those arctic conditions?

(Laughter)

Natalia and her colleagues
think they have an answer.

And it’s kind of brilliant.

What if the very features that we imagine
make the camel so well-suited

to places like the Sahara,

actually evolved to help it
get through the winter?

What if those broad feet were meant
to tromp not over sand,

but over snow, like a pair of snowshoes?

What if that hump –
which, huge news to me,

does not contain water, it contains fat –

(Laughter)

was there to help the camel
get through that six-month-long winter,

when food was scarce?

And then, only later, long after
it crossed over the land bridge

did it retrofit those winter features
for a hot desert environment?

Like, for instance, the hump
may be helpful to camels in hotter climes

because having all your fat in one place,

like a, you know, fat backpack,

means that you don’t have
to have that insulation

all over the rest of your body.

So it helps heat dissipate easier.

It’s this crazy idea,

that what seems like proof of the camel’s
quintessential desert nature

could actually be proof
of its High Arctic past.

Now, I’m not the first person
to tell this story.

Others have told it as a way
to marvel at evolutionary biology

or as a keyhole into the future
of climate change.

But I love it for a totally
different reason.

For me, it’s a story about us,

about how we see the world

and about how that changes.

So I was trained as a historian.

And I’ve learned that, actually,
a lot of scientists are historians, too.

They make sense of the past.

They tell the history of our universe,
of our planet, of life on this planet.

And as a historian,

you start with an idea in your mind
of how the story goes.

(Audio) NR: We make up stories
and we stick with it,

like the camel in the desert, right?

That’s a great story!
It’s totally adapted for that.

Clearly, it always lived there.

LN: But at any moment, you could
uncover some tiny bit of evidence.

You could learn some tiny thing

that forces you to reframe
everything you thought you knew.

Like, in this case, this one scientist
finds this one shard

of what she thought was wood,

and because of that, science has a totally
new and totally counterintuitive theory

about why this absurd
Dr. Seuss-looking creature

looks the way it does.

And for me, it completely upended
the way I think of the camel.

It went from being
this ridiculously niche creature

suited only to this
one specific environment,

to being this world traveler
that just happens to be in the Sahara,

and could end up virtually anywhere.

(Applause)

This is Azuri.

Azuri, hi, how are you doing?

OK, here, I’ve got
one of these for you here.

(Laughter)

So Azuri is on a break
from her regular gig

at the Radio City Music Hall.

(Laughter)

That’s not even a joke.

Anyway –

But really, Azuri is here
as a living reminder

that the story of our world
is a dynamic one.

It requires our willingness
to readjust, to reimagine.

(Laughter)

Right, Azuri?

And, really, that we’re all
just one shard of bone away

from seeing the world anew.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

所以,这是一个

关于我们如何知道我们所知道的故事。

这是一个关于这个女人的故事,

Natalia Rybczynski。

她是一名古生物学家,

这意味着她
擅长挖掘真正古老的死物。

(音频) Natalia Rybczynski:是的,
有人称我为“Dr. Dead Things”。

Latif Nasser:我认为
她特别有趣,

因为她

在偏远的加拿大苔原的北极圈上方挖掘这些东西。

现在,2006 年的一个夏日,

她在一个
名为 Fyles Leaf Bed 的挖掘地点,该地点距地磁北极

不到 10 度纬度

(音频) NR:真的,这
听起来不会很令人兴奋,

因为那是
带着背包、GPS

和笔记本走路的一天,只是捡起
任何可能是化石的东西。

LN:在某个时候,
她注意到了一些事情。

(音频) NR:生锈,有点锈色,

大约有我手掌那么大。

它只是躺在表面上。

LN:起初她认为
这只是一块木头,

因为这是
人们

以前在 Fyles 叶床上发现的那种东西——
史前植物的部分。

但是那天晚上,回到营地……

(音频) NR:……我拿出手持镜头,


仔细看了一下,意识到

这看起来
不像有年轮。

也许这是一个保存的东西,

但它看起来真的很像……

骨头。

LN:嗯。 所以在接下来的四年里,

她一遍又一遍地去那个地方

,最终收集了 30 块
完全相同的骨头碎片,

其中大部分非常小。

(音频) NR:这不是很多。
它适合放在一个小的 Ziploc 袋子里。

LN:她试着
像拼图一样把它们拼凑在一起。

但这很有挑战性。

(音频) NR:它被
分成了很多小块,

我正在尝试使用沙子和腻子
,但看起来不太好。

所以最后,我们使用了 3D 表面扫描仪。

LN:哦!
NR:是的,对吧?

(笑声)

LN:事实证明
,用虚拟方式做这件事要容易得多。

(音频) NR:
当这一切融合在一起时,这有点神奇。

LN:你有多
确定你做对了

,你
以正确的方式把它放在一起?

有没有可能你会
以不同的方式把它组合在一起,

并拥有一只长尾小鹦鹉之类的东西?

(笑声)

(音频) NR:(笑声)嗯,不。
不,我们得到了这个。

LN:她发现,她拥有的
是一根胫骨,一根腿骨

,具体来说,
属于一种偶蹄哺乳动物

,比如牛或羊。

但这不可能是其中任何一个。

它太大了。

(音频) NR:这东西的大小
,非常大。 它是一种非常大的动物。

LN:那它可能是什么动物?

碰壁后,

她向科罗拉多州的一些同事展示了其中一个片段

,他们有了一个想法。

(音频) NR:我们拿了一把
锯子,我们只在它的边缘划了一个口子

,它发出了一种非常有趣的
气味。

LN:闻起来有点像烧焦的肉。

Natalia

在她的大体解剖实验室切割头骨时认出了这种气味:

胶原蛋白。

胶原蛋白
为我们的骨骼提供结构。

通常,经过这么多年,

它会崩溃。

但在这种情况下,北极
就像一个天然冰柜并保存了它。

然后一两年后,
娜塔莉亚在布里斯托尔的一次会议上

看到她的一位
名叫迈克·巴克利的同事

正在演示
这个他称之为“胶原蛋白指纹识别”的新工艺。

事实证明,不同物种
的胶原蛋白结构略有不同

因此,如果您获得未知骨骼的胶原蛋白
谱,

您可以将
其与已知物种的胶原蛋白进行比较

,谁知道呢,也许您会得到匹配。

所以她给他寄了一个碎片,

联邦快递。

(音频) NR:是的,你想跟踪它。
这有点重要。

(笑声)

LN:他对它

进行了处理,并将其与 37 种已知
的现代哺乳动物物种进行了比较。

他找到了一个匹配。

事实证明,娜塔莉亚从北极高地挖出的
那块 350 万年前的骨头

属于

……骆驼。

(笑声)

(音频) NR:我在想,什么?
这太神奇了——如果它是真的。

LN:所以他们测试
了一堆碎片

,每个碎片都得到了相同的结果。

然而,根据
他们发现的骨头大小,

这意味着这头骆驼
比现代骆驼大 30%。

所以这只骆驼
大约有九英尺高,

重约一吨。

(观众反应)

是的。

娜塔莉亚发现了一头巨大的北极骆驼。

(笑声)

现在,当你听到“骆驼”这个词时,

可能会想到其中之一

,东亚和中亚的双峰驼。

但很可能你脑海中的明信片图像

就是其中之一,单峰骆驼,

典型的沙漠生物——在中东和撒哈拉沙漠

等炎热的沙地里

闲逛,背上有一个古老的大驼峰,

用来储存水
对于那些漫长的沙漠跋涉,

有大而宽的脚可以帮助它
踩过沙丘。

那么,这些人中的一个到底怎么会
在北极高地结束呢?

好吧,科学家们
早就知道,

甚至在纳塔利娅发现

骆驼之前,骆驼实际上
是美洲人。

(音乐:星条旗)

(笑声)

他们从这里开始。

在骆驼存在的 4500 万年中,有近 40

年只能在北美找到它们,

大约有 20 个不同的物种,也许更多。

(音频) LN:如果我把它们都放在一个阵容中
,它们看起来会有所不同吗?

NR:是的,你会有
不同的体型。

你会有一些脖子很长的,

所以它们实际上在
功能上就像长颈鹿。

LN:有些有鼻子,就像鳄鱼一样。

(音频) NR:真正原始的,
早期的会非常小,

几乎像兔子。

LN:什么? 兔子大小的骆驼?

(音频) NR:最早的。

所以那些你
可能认不出来的。

LN:天哪,我想要一只宠物兔骆驼。

(音频) NR:我知道
,那不是很好吗?

(笑声)

LN:然后大约
三七百万年前,

一支骆驼
来到南美洲,

在那里它们变成了美洲驼和羊驼

,另一支骆驼
越过白令陆桥

进入亚洲和非洲。

然后在
最后一个冰河时代结束时,

北美骆驼灭绝了。

所以,科学家们已经知道了这一切,

但它仍然不能完全
解释纳塔利娅是如何在如此遥远的北方找到一个的。

就像,从温度上讲
,这与撒哈拉沙漠相反。

公平地说

,350 万年前,

它的平均
温度比现在高 22 摄氏度。

所以它本来应该是北方森林,

所以更像今天的育空地区或西伯利亚。

但是,他们仍然会有
长达六个月的冬天

,池塘会结冰。

你会有暴风雪。

一天 24 小时你都
在黑暗中。

比如,如何……如何?

这些
撒哈拉超级巨星中的

一位如何能够
在北极条件下幸存下来?

(笑声)

Natalia 和她的同事
认为他们有答案。

它有点精彩。

如果我们想象
中的骆驼非常适合

像撒哈拉沙漠这样的地方,

真的进化到帮助
它度过冬天呢?

如果那些宽大的脚
不是用来踩在沙子上的,而是用来踩

在雪地上的,就像一双雪鞋呢?

如果那个驼峰——
对我来说是个大新闻,

它不含水,它含有脂肪——

(笑声)

是为了帮助
骆驼度过那个长达六个月的冬天,

当时食物匮乏?

然后,直到后来,在它跨过陆桥很久之后,

它才
为炎热的沙漠环境改造了那些冬季特征?

例如,驼峰
可能有助于骆驼在炎热的气候中,

因为将所有脂肪集中在一个地方,

就像一个,你知道的,胖背包,

意味着你不必

在你的其余部分都有这种绝缘材料 身体。

所以它有助于散热更容易。

这是一个疯狂的想法,

似乎证明骆驼
典型的沙漠性质

的证据实际上可以
证明它的北极高地过去。

现在,我不是第
一个讲述这个故事的人。

其他人则将其作为
对进化生物学的惊叹

或作为未来气候变化的钥匙孔的一种方式

但我喜欢它的原因完全
不同。

对我来说,这是一个关于我们的故事,

关于我们如何看待世界

以及世界如何变化。

所以我被训练成为一名历史学家。

而且我了解到,实际上
,很多科学家也是历史学家。

他们理解过去。

它们讲述了我们的宇宙
、我们的星球和这个星球上的生命的历史。

作为一名历史学家,

你会从你脑海
中关于故事如何发展的想法开始。

(音频) NR:我们编造故事
并坚持下去,

就像沙漠中的骆驼,对吧?

这是一个很棒的故事!
它完全适合这一点。

显然,它一直住在那里。

LN:但在任何时候,你都可以
发现一点点证据。

你可以学到一些小东西

,迫使你重新构建
你认为你知道的一切。

就像,在这种情况下,这位科学家
发现

了她认为是木头

的这一块碎片,正因为如此,科学有一个
全新的、完全违反直觉的理论来

解释为什么这个看起来像
苏斯博士的荒谬生物

看起来是这样的。

对我来说,它完全颠覆
了我对骆驼的看法。

它从一个只适合
这个特定环境的荒谬的小众生物

,变成了
这个恰好在撒哈拉沙漠中的世界旅行者,

并且几乎可以在任何地方结束。

(掌声)

这是阿祖里。

阿祖里,你好,你好吗?

好的,在这里,我在
这里为您准备了其中一个。

(笑声)

所以 Azuri 正在
从她

在无线电城音乐厅的常规演出中休息一下。

(笑声)

这甚至不是一个玩笑。

不管怎样——

但实际上,Azuri 在这里
是一个活生生的提醒

,我们世界的故事
是一个动态的故事。

它需要我们愿意
重新调整,重新想象。

(笑声)

对吧,阿祖里?

而且,真的,我们都
离重新认识世界只有一块骨头了

非常感谢你。

(掌声)