How we experience time and memory through art Sarah Sze

I want to start with a question.

Where does an artwork begin?

Now sometimes that question is absurd.

It can seem deceptively simple,

as it was when I asked the question
with this piece, “Portable Planetarium,”

that I made in 2010.

I asked the question:

“What would it look like
to build a planetarium of one’s own?”

I know you all ask that every morning,

but I asked myself that question.

And as an artist,

I was thinking about our effort,

our desire, our continual longing
that we’ve had over the years

to make meaning of the world around us

through materials.

And for me, to try and find
the kind of wonder,

but also a kind of futility
that lies in that very fragile pursuit,

is part of my art work.

So I bring together
the materials I find around me,

I gather them to try
and create experiences,

immersive experiences that occupy rooms,

that occupy walls, landscapes, buildings.

But ultimately,
I want them to occupy memory.

And after I’ve made a work,

I find that there’s usually one memory
of that work that burns in my head.

And this is the memory for me –

it was this sudden
kind of surprising experience

of being immersed inside that work of art.

And it stayed with me
and kind of reoccurred in my work

about 10 years later.

But I want to go back
to my graduate school studio.

I think it’s interesting, sometimes,
when you start a body of work,

you need to just completely
wipe the plate clean,

take everything away.

And this may not look
like wiping the plate clean,

but for me, it was.

Because I had studied painting
for about 10 years,

and when I went to graduate school,

I realized that I had developed skill,
but I didn’t have a subject.

It was like an athletic skill,

because I could paint the figure quickly,

but I didn’t know why.

I could paint it well,
but it didn’t have content.

And so I decided to put
all the paints aside for a while,

and to ask this question, which was:

“Why and how do objects
acquire value for us?”

How does a shirt that I know
thousands of people wear,

a shirt like this one,

how does it somehow feel like it’s mine?

So I started with that experiment,

I decided, by collecting materials
that had a certain quality to them.

They were mass-produced,
easily accessible,

completely designed
for the purpose of their use,

not for their aesthetic.

So things like toothpicks, thumbtacks,

pieces of toilet paper,

to see if in the way that I put my energy,
my hand, my time into them,

that the behavior could actually create
a kind of value in the work itself.

One of the other ideas is,
I wanted the work to become live.

So I wanted to take it
off of the pedestal,

not have a frame around it,

have the experience not be
that you came to something

and told you that it was important,

but that you discover
that it was in your own time.

So this is like a very,
very old idea in sculpture,

which is: How do we breathe life
into inanimate materials?

And so, I would go to a space like this,

where there was a wall,

and use the paint itself,

pull the paint out off the wall,

the wall paint into space
to create a sculpture.

Because I was also interested in this idea

that these terms, “sculpture,”
“painting,” “installation” –

none of these mattered in the way
we actually see the world.

So I wanted to blur those boundaries,

both between mediums
that artists talk about,

but also blur the experience
of being in life and being in art,

so that when you are in your everyday,

or when you are in one of my works,

and you saw, you recognized the everyday,

you could then move that experience
into your own life,

and perhaps see the art in everyday life.

I was in graduate school in the ’90s,

and my studio just became
more and more filled with images,

as did my life.

And this confusion of images and objects

was really part of the way
I was trying to make sense of materials.

And also, I was interested
in how this might change

the way that we actually experience time.

If we’re experiencing time
through materials,

what happens when images and objects
become confused in space?

So I started by doing some
of these experiments with images.

And if you look back to the 1880s,

that’s when the first photographs
started turning into film.

And they were done
through studies of animals,

the movement of animals.

So horses in the United States,
birds in France.

They were these studies of movement

that then slowly,
like zoetropes, became film.

So I decided, I will take an animal

and I’m going to play with that idea

of how the image is not static
for us anymore, it’s moving.

It’s moving in space.

And so I chose
as my character the cheetah,

because she is the fastest
land-dwelling creature on earth.

And she holds that record,

and I want to use her record

to actually make it kind of
a measuring stick for time.

And so this is what she looked like
in the sculpture

as she moved through space.

This kind of broken framing
of the image in space,

because I had put up notepad paper

and had it actually project on it.

Then I did this experiment
where you have kind of a race,

with these new tools and video
that I could play with.

So the falcon moves out in front,

the cheetah, she comes in second,

and the rhino is trying
to catch up behind.

Then another one of the experiments,

I was thinking about how,

if we try and remember
one thing that happened to us

when we were, let’s say, 10 years old.

It’s very hard to remember
even what happened in that year.

And for me, I can think
of maybe one, maybe two,

and that one moment
has expanded in my mind

to fill that entire year.

So we don’t experience time
in minutes and seconds.

So this is a still
of the video that I took,

printed out on a piece of paper,

the paper is torn and then the video
is projected on top of it.

And I wanted to play with this idea

of how, in this kind of
complete immersion of images

that’s enveloped us,

how one image can actually grow

and can haunt us.

So I had all of these –

these are three out of, like,
100 experiments I was trying with images

for over about a decade,

and never showing them,

and I thought, OK, how do I bring this
out of the studio, into a public space,

but retain this kind of energy
of experimentation

that you see when you go
into a laboratory,

you see when you go into a studio,

and I had this show coming up
and I just said,

alright, I’m going to put my desk
right in the middle of the room.

So I brought my desk
and I put it in the room,

and it actually worked
in this kind of very surprising way to me,

in that it was this kind of flickering,
because of the video screens, from afar.

And it had all
of the projectors on it,

so the projectors were creating
the space around it,

but you were drawn towards
the flickering like a flame.

And then you were enveloped in the piece

at the scale that we’re all
very familiar with,

which is the scale of being in front
of a desk or a sink or a table,

and you are immersed, then,
back into this scale,

this one-to-one scale
of the body in relation to the image.

But on this surface,

you had these projections on paper
being blown in the wind,

so there was this confusion
of what was an image

and what was an object.

So this is what the work looked like
when it went into a larger room,

and it wasn’t until I made this piece

that I realized that I’d effectively made
the interior of a planetarium,

without even realizing that.

And I remembered, as a child,
loving going to the planetarium.

And back then, the planetarium,

there was always not only
these amazing images on the ceiling,

but you could see the projector itself
whizzing and burring,

and this amazing camera
in the middle of the room.

And it was that, along with seeing
the audience around you looking up,

because there was an audience
in the round at that time,

and seeing them, and experiencing,
being part of an audience.

So this is an image from the web
that I downloaded

of people who took images
of themselves in the work.

And I like this image

because you see how the figures
get mixed with the work.

So you have the shadow of a visitor
against the projection,

and you also see the projections
across a person’s shirt.

So there were these self-portraits
made in the work itself,

and then posted,

and it felt like a kind of cyclical
image-making process.

And a kind of an end to that.

But it reminded me and brought me back
to the planetarium,

and that interior,

and I started to go back to painting.

And thinking about how a painting
is actually, for me,

about the interior images
that we all have.

There’s so many interior images,

and we’ve become so focused
on what’s outside our eyes.

And how do we store memory in our mind,

how certain images emerge out of nowhere

or can fall apart over time.

And I started to call this series
the “Afterimage” series,

which was a reference to this idea
that if we all close our eyes right now,

you can see there’s this flickering
light that lingers,

and when we open it again,
it lingers again –

this is happening all the time.

And an afterimage is something
that a photograph can never replace,

you never feel that in a photograph.

So it really reminds you of the limits
of the camera’s lens.

So it was this idea of taking the images
that were outside of me –

this is my studio –

and then trying to figure out how
they were being represented inside me.

So really quickly,

I’m just going to whiz through
how a process might develop

for the next piece.

So it might start with a sketch,

or an image that’s burned in my memory

from the 18th century –

it’s Piranesi’s “Colosseum.”

Or a model the size of a basketball –

I built this around a basketball,

the scale’s evidenced
by the red cup behind it.

And that model can be put
into a larger piece as a seed,

and that seed can grow
into a bigger piece.

And that piece can fill
a very, very large space.

But it can funnel down into a video
that’s just made from my iPhone,

of a puddle outside my studio
in a rainy night.

So this is an afterimage
of the painting made in my memory,

and even that painting can fade
as memory does.

So this is the scale of a very small image

from my sketchbook.

You can see how it can explode

to a subway station
that spans three blocks.

And you could see how going
into the subway station

is like a journey through
the pages of a sketchbook,

and you can see sort of a diary of work
writ across a public space,

and you’re turning the pages
of 20 years of art work

as you move through the subway.

But even that sketch
actually has a different origin,

it has an origin in a sculpture
that climbs a six-story building,

and is scaled to a cat from the year 2002.

I remember that because I had
two black cats at the time.

And this is an image of a work from Japan

that you can see
the afterimage of in the subway.

Or a work in Venice,

where you see the image
etched in the wall.

Or how a sculpture
that I did at SFMOMA in 2001,

and created this kind of dynamic line,

how I stole that to create a dynamic line

as you descend down
into the subway itself.

And this merging of mediums
is really interesting to me.

So how can you take a line
that pulls tension like a sculpture

and put it into a print?

Or then use line
like a drawing in a sculpture

to create a dramatic perspective?

Or how can a painting mimic
the process of printmaking?

How can an installation
use the camera’s lens

to frame a landscape?

How can a painting on string
become a moment in Denmark,

in the middle of a trek?

And how, on the High Line,
can you create a piece

that camouflages itself
into the nature itself

and becomes a habitat
for the nature around it?

And I’ll just end with two pieces
that I’m making now.

This is a piece called “Fallen Sky”

that’s going to be a permanent
commission in Hudson Valley,

and it’s kind of the planetarium
finally come down

and grounding itself in the earth.

And this is a work from 2013
that’s going to be reinstalled,

have a new life in the reopening of MOMA.

And it’s a piece that the tool
itself is the sculpture.

So the pendulum, as it swings,

is used as a tool to create the piece.

So each of the piles of objects

go right up to one centimeter
to the tip of that pendulum.

So you have this combination
of the lull of that beautiful swing,

but also the tension that it constantly
could destroy the piece itself.

And so, it doesn’t really matter
where any of these pieces end up,

because the real point for me

is that they end up
in your memory over time,

and they generate ideas beyond themselves.

Thank you.

(Applause)

我想从一个问题开始。

一件艺术品从哪里开始?

现在有时这个问题是荒谬的。

它看起来很简单,

就像

我在 2010 年制作的“便携式天文馆”中

提出的问题一样。我问了一个问题:


建造自己的天文馆会是什么样子?”

我知道你们每天早上都会

问这个问题,但我问自己这个问题。

作为一名艺术家,

我在思考我们的努力、

我们的愿望和我们多年来一直

渴望通过材料来赋予我们周围世界意义的持续渴望

而对我来说,尝试去
寻找那种奇妙,

同时也是
那种脆弱的追求中的一种徒劳,

是我艺术作品的一部分。

所以我把
我周围的材料

汇集在一起,
试图创造体验,

沉浸式体验占据房间

,占据墙壁、风景和建筑物。

但最终,
我希望它们占据记忆。

而在我完成一件作品之后,

我发现通常会有一个
关于那件作品的记忆在我脑海中燃烧。

这就是我的记忆——

沉浸在这件艺术品中的那种突然的惊喜体验。

它一直伴随着我,
并且在大约 10 年后再次出现在我的工作中

但我想
回到我的研究生工作室。

我认为这很有趣,有时,
当你开始工作时,

你只需要把
盘子彻底擦干净,

把所有东西都拿走。

这可能看起来
不像把盘子擦干净,

但对我来说,它是。

因为我学
了10年左右的绘画

,当我读研究生的时候,

我意识到我已经发展了技能,
但我没有学科。

这就像一项运动技能,

因为我可以快速绘制人物,

但我不知道为什么。

我可以把它画得很好,
但它没有内容。

所以我决定暂时
搁置所有的颜料,

然后问这个问题,那就是:

“物体为什么以及如何
为我们获得价值?”

我认识
成千上万的人穿

的衬衫,像这样的衬衫,

怎么感觉像是我的?

所以我从那个实验开始,

我决定,通过收集
对他们来说具有一定质量的材料。

它们是大规模生产的,
易于使用,

完全是
为使用目的而设计的,

而不是为了它们的审美。

所以像牙签、图钉、卫生纸之类的东西

,看看我投入精力、
手和时间的方式,

这种行为是否真的可以
为工作本身创造一种价值。

另一个想法是,
我希望这项工作能够成为现实。

所以我想把它
从基座上拿下来,

没有框架围绕它,

有这样的体验,
不是你来到某事

并告诉你它很重要,

而是你
发现它是在你自己的时代。

所以这就像
雕塑中一个非常非常古老的想法,

那就是:我们如何
为无生命的材料注入生命?

所以,我会去这样的空间,

那里有一堵墙

,用颜料本身,

把颜料从墙上拉下来,

把墙漆放到空间
里去创造一个雕塑。

因为我也对这个想法感兴趣

,这些术语,“雕塑”,
“绘画”,“装置”——

这些都与
我们实际看待世界的方式无关。

所以我想模糊

艺术家们谈论的媒介之间的界限,

也模糊
生活和艺术的体验,

这样当你在你的日常生活中,

或者当你在我的一件作品中时

, 你看到了,你认识到了日常生活,

然后你可以将这种体验
融入你自己的生活

,也许还能在日常生活中看到艺术。

90 年代我在读研究生

,我的工作室变得
越来越充满图像

,我的生活也是如此。

这种图像和物体的混淆

实际上是
我试图理解材料的方式的一部分。

而且,我
对这可能如何

改变我们实际体验时间的方式很感兴趣。

如果我们通过材料体验时间

,当图像和物体
在空间中变得混乱时会发生什么?

所以我开始
用图像做一些实验。

如果你回顾 1880 年代,

那是第一张照片
开始变成胶卷的时候。

它们是
通过对动物的研究,

动物的运动来完成的。

所以美国的马
,法国的鸟。

它们是这些对运动的研究

,然后慢慢地,
就像西洋镜一样,变成了电影。

所以我决定,我将拍摄一只动物

,我将尝试这个想法

,图像
对我们来说不再是静态的,它是移动的。

它在太空中移动。

所以我选择
了猎豹作为我的角色,

因为她是
地球上最快的陆生生物。

她拥有那张唱片

,我想用她的唱片

来真正让它成为一种
时间的量尺。

这就是

她在空间中移动时在雕塑中的样子。

这种
图像在空间中的破碎框架,

因为我已经张贴了记事本

并让它实际投影在上面。

然后我做了这个实验
,你有一种比赛,我可以

玩这些新工具和视频

所以猎鹰走在前面

,猎豹排在第二位

,犀牛正
试图追上。

然后是另一个实验,

我在想,

如果我们试着记住

在我们 10 岁时发生在我们身上的一件事。

甚至那一年发生的事情也很难记住。

对我来说,我可能会想到
一个,也许两个,

而那一刻
已经在我的脑海中扩展,

填满了整整一年。

所以我们不会
以分秒为单位来体验时间。

所以这
是我拍摄的视频的静止画面,

打印在一张纸上

,纸被撕开,然后
视频投影在上面。

我想玩这个

想法,在这种包围我们
的图像的完全沉浸中

一个图像如何真正成长

并困扰我们。

所以我拥有了所有这些——

这是
我用图像尝试

了大约十年的 100 个实验中的三个,但

从未展示过它们

,我想,好吧,我该如何把它带
出工作室, 进入公共空间,

但保留这种
实验能量,

当你
进入实验室时,

你会看到当你进入工作室时

,我有这个节目即将到来
,我只是说,

好吧,我要去 把我的桌子放在
房间的正中间。

所以我把我的桌子拿来
放在房间里

,它实际上
以一种让我非常惊讶的方式工作

,因为它是这种闪烁,
因为视频屏幕,从远处看。

它上面有所有
的投影仪,所以投影仪在它

周围创造
了空间,

但你被吸引
到像火焰一样闪烁的地方。

然后你被包裹

在我们都
非常熟悉

的尺度中,也就是在
桌子或水槽或桌子前的尺度

,你沉浸,然后,
回到这个尺度,

身体与图像的这种一对一的比例。

但是在这个表面上,

你有这些投影在纸上
被风吹散,

所以
什么是图像

,什么是物体存在这种混淆。

所以这就是这件作品
进入一个更大的房间时的样子

,直到我制作了这件作品

,我才意识到我已经有效地制作
了天文馆的内部,

甚至没有意识到这一点。

我记得,作为一个孩子,我
喜欢去天文馆。

那时,天文馆,

不仅天花板上总是有
这些令人惊叹的图像,

而且你可以看到投影仪本身
呼啸而过,

还有
房间中央的这个惊人的相机。

就是这样,除了看到
你周围的观众抬起头来,

因为当时有观众在场

看到他们,并体验
到成为观众的一部分。

所以这是我从网上下载的一张照片,

照片中
的人在工作中拍摄了自己的照片。

我喜欢这张照片,

因为你看到了这些数字是
如何与作品混合在一起的。

所以你有一个访客的影子
对着

投影,你也看到
了一个人衬衫上的投影。

所以有这些自
画像在作品本身制作

,然后贴出来,

感觉像是一种循环的
图像制作过程。

和一种结束。

但它提醒了我,把我
带回了天文馆

和内部

,我开始重新开始绘画。

想想一幅画
,对我来说,实际上是

关于
我们所有人拥有的内部图像。

有这么多内部图像

,我们已经变得如此专注
于我们眼睛之外的东西。

以及我们如何在脑海中存储记忆,

某些图像如何突然出现

或随着时间的推移而分崩离析。

我开始把这个系列叫做
“残影”系列,

它是指一个想法
,如果我们现在都闭上眼睛,

你会看到有这种闪烁的
光在徘徊

,当我们再次打开它时,
它又在徘徊 ——

这一直在发生。


像是照片永远无法替代的,

你在照片中永远感受不到。

所以它真的让你
想起了相机镜头的局限性。

所以这个想法就是拍摄
我外部的图像——

这是我的工作室——

然后试图弄清楚
它们是如何在我体内表现出来的。

非常快,

我只是想
了解下一个过程可能会如何

发展。

所以它可能从一个草图开始,

或者是一个在我记忆中

从 18 世纪开始燃烧的图像——

它是皮拉内西的“罗马斗兽场”。

或者一个篮球大小的模型——

我围绕一个篮球建造了这个,

它后面的红色杯子证明了规模。

而那个模型可以
作为种子放入更大的一块中,

而这颗种子可以长
成更大的一块。

那一块可以填满
一个非常非常大的空间。

但它可以汇集到一个
刚刚用我的 iPhone 制作的视频中

,一个雨夜我工作室外的水坑

所以这是
我记忆中那幅画的残影,

甚至那幅画也会
像记忆一样褪色。

所以这是我的速写本中一个非常小的图像的比例

你可以看到它是如何爆炸

到一个
横跨三个街区的地铁站的。

你可以看到
进入地铁

站就像翻阅素描本的旅程

,你可以看到
写在公共空间的工作日记

,你正在
翻阅 20 年的艺术作品

当你穿过地铁。

但即使那幅素描
实际上也有不同的起源,

它起源于一座
爬上六层楼的雕塑,

从 2002 年开始,它被缩放成一只猫。

我记得那是因为我当时有
两只黑猫。

这是一幅来自日本的作品

,你可以
在地铁中看到它的残影。

或者在威尼斯的一件作品中

,你会看到
蚀刻在墙上的图像。

或者
我是如何在 2001 年在旧金山现代艺术博物馆做的一个雕塑,

并创造出这种动态的线条,

我是如何在你下到地铁本身时偷走它来创造一条动态的线条

这种媒体的融合
对我来说真的很有趣。

那么,你怎么能把一条
像雕塑一样拉动张力的线条

打印出来呢?

或者然后
像雕塑中的图画一样使用线条

来创造一个戏剧性的视角?

或者一幅画如何模仿
版画的过程?

装置如何
使用相机的镜头

来构图? 在丹麦,在长途跋涉中,

一幅绳子上的画怎么会
成为一个瞬间

以及如何在高架
线上创造出一件

将自己伪装
成自然本身

并成为
周围自然栖息地的作品?

我将以我现在正在制作的两件作品结束

这是一部名为“Fallen Sky”的作品

,它将成为
哈德逊河谷的一个永久委员会

,它有点像天文馆
最终降落

并在地球上扎根。

这是一部 2013 年的作品
,将被重新安装,

在 MOMA 的重新开放中拥有新的生命。

工具
本身就是雕塑。

因此,摆锤在摆动时

被用作制作作品的工具。

因此,每一堆物体

都一直延伸
到钟摆的顶端一厘米。

所以你有
这种美丽挥杆的平静,

但也有它
不断破坏作品本身的张力。

所以,
这些片段最终在哪里并不重要,

因为对我来说,真正的意义

在于,
随着时间的推移,它们最终会出现在你的记忆中

,它们会产生超越自身的想法。

谢谢你。

(掌声)