The Iron Man Argument

thank you

it’s a pleasure and a genuine honor to

be here with you this evening

i’d actually like to start tonight with

a joke

it’s an old joke arguing with the

philosopher

is like wrestling with a pig in the mud

after a few hours you realize the pig

enjoys it

now i can hardly lay claim to being a

philosopher myself

but having taught philosophy for the

past decade and having been a student of

philosophy

since long before that i can confidently

say that this is one thing that i

certainly do

share with the great philosophers of

human history

i enjoy getting down in the mud for a

good argument

indeed my family are here tonight and

i’m sure that they will be happy to

testify

to that fact

as this man understood arguments

are wonderful things discussions debates

arguments these are wonderful things the

thumping heart rate the surge of

adrenaline the quickfire retorts and

rebuttals

the thrill of landing on that perfect

example at just the right moment

when we engage in an earnest exchange of

ideas and perspectives we start to dig a

little bit deeper

get a little bit closer if not to an

answer at least

to a better understanding of the

question

arguments are wonderful things

but there are five words which are

poison

to a good argument when you hear this

ominous phrase you know

that the earnest exchange of ideas is

about to be put into grave danger

these are those five ominous words

so what you’re saying is so what you’re

saying is

so what you’re saying is what invariably

follows this line

think of the last time you heard someone

say this in a discussion or debate

and what followed was it a clear concise

summation of your argument

no experience tells us the reformulation

of our argument that we’re about to bear

witness to

is at best an oversimplification of the

argument that we just laid out

and at worst it will be a rendition of

the argument that is so thoroughly

mutilated

it couldn’t even be identified by its

dental records

it’s special cases you might even be

treated to this

six word variation

so what you’re really saying is

the beauty of this formulation is that

it boldly presumes

that we are incapable of saying what we

really mean

or perhaps even that we’re maliciously

obfuscating our true meaning

moreover it signals that we’re in for a

treat

we’re about to hear a translation of our

real meaning

a translation that let’s face it would

probably make google translate envious

in its ability to cling tenuously to the

literal

meaning of the original statement and

yet simultaneously transform the

substance of it entirely

so what are we talking about here what

is it quivering on the horizon when

on the horizon when we hear those five

fateful words

well this phenomenon is common enough

and as this is a room

full of tok students all very well

versed in logical fallacies

i think you probably recognize where

this is headed

these five words are indeed the common

prelude to

a straw man argument you may be familiar

with this

straw man argument is an informal

fallacy whereby one deliberately

misrepresents

their opponent’s argument in order to

make it easier

to attack now before i get too

comfortable up here on on my high horse

it’s important to note that it’s not

only other people that commit this

fallacy we’ve all fallen back on this

lazy

trope at some point some argument in our

history possibly earlier today

whoever the perpetrator is the signally

frustrating thing about the deployment

of these

straw man armies is that it derails the

debate

all the time and energy is now wasted on

mischaracterizing

each other’s arguments or lamely

attempting to salvage our own

all of which detracts from the primary

function

of discourse in the first place which is

to develop

through rational debate a clearer

understanding

of the relative merits of a set of

competing ideas

as karl popper noted the aim of an

argument

or of a discussion should not be victory

but progress

it is my contention tonight that a key

factor in the current unhinged state of

the world is our increasing inability to

engage in constructive discourse

it’s abundantly apparent to anyone who

has made the foolish mistake

of trying to engage in a critical debate

on the internet

foolish i know the discourse and debate

has become much

more about winning about defeating your

opponent

than it’s been about progress

well in a bid to help us reclaim this

lofty and noble aim

to help equip you with a means of

navigating hostile debates and moving

towards a more productive

discourse i present to you tonight

the antithesis of the straw man argument

i present the iron man argument

now before i outline the iron man

argument i just want to make take a

moment to elaborate briefly on the

problem

we live in what mark manson has dubbed

the age of

outrage manson suggests that we’ve

become addicted to our own

self-righteous outrage and in an attempt

to satiate our lust

for outrage we willfully and perhaps

even sometimes gleefully

misinterpret and misrepresent other

people’s arguments and ideas

in order to find for us a new source

of disgust and moral indignation

to illustrate this problem consider how

words of wisdom from thinkers

throughout human history would be

received today in the current climate

imagine for a moment that socrates

had shared his ideas not in the ancient

agora

but on twitter today

famous line from socrates here it’s a

disgrace for a man to grow old

without seeing the beauty and strength

of which his body is capable

imagine the sorts of replies that such a

comment might elicit in the current

climate

how swiftly would socrates be pilloried

for his narrow-minded body shaming

labelled a superficial jim bro accused

of self-absorbed vanity

a barrage of strawmen armies would

descend on that tweet and tear it apart

within moments now obviously to some

extent there’s always been a combative

element

to discourse and debate i’m not

suggesting this is some entirely new

phenomenon

however as ideological tribalism

political polarization have intensified

markedly in recent years

the animosity has become increasingly

palpable

one need only look at the verbs that are

starring in your favorite youtube titles

to get a glimpse

of this antagonism

think about the words that leap out here

these verbs

what we’re presented with destroy

annihilate

shred crush eviscerate

this is the language of destruction

these are videos garnering millions of

views by predominantly young people

across the globe

this this is the current state of the

discourse that is consumed by people

and imitated by people a world unhinged

indeed

and so what is the remedy what can we do

how can we counteract this animosity

how can we return to a state of

productive meaningful progressive

discourse

well as with basically all forms of

improvement it starts at home

we must start with ourselves with the

way that we choose to engage in

arguments and debate it’s not about

putting an end to arguments

but improving the way that we argue

importantly the iron man argument the

solution that i want to suggest to you

tonight

is not a tool for dismantling other

people’s arguments

it is not some surefire way for you to

win your next debate

i’m sorry in fact i want to suggest

quite the opposite

the iron man argument is not about

bolstering your own argument at all but

rather it’s about

refining rephrasing patching up

or in whatever way possible

strengthening your opponent’s argument

now i can see the gears turning in

people’s minds at this stage

so what you’re saying is but be careful

if you’re going to say so what you’re

saying is we should invest time

and energy in helping the person we’re

debating with to more effectively and

efficiently

win the argument then yes essentially

that’s correct

but hear me out before you storm out the

door what i’ve done the iron man

argument is really an approach to

discourse with a very long history

in philosophy sometimes goes by the name

the principle of charity

ultimately this is a methodological

presumption

that we make when engaging in an

argument or a discussion

whereby we first seek to understand

this view that we’re challenging here in

its strongest

most credible form before we subject the

view to appraisal

this is a really important point we must

reframe it in its strongest

most credible form

before

we’re permitted to evaluate the merits

of that argument

so here’s how it works when you engage

in a debate or argument next somewhere

out there in the wild

step one we momentarily suspend our own

beliefs

or disbelief as the case sometimes may

be

be open to the possibility that when

they claim what what they claim

may be true however outlandish it may

first appear

now this is a much more challenging step

than many people anticipate

but it is crucial as it helps us to

avoid slipping into a combative posture

from the outset step two

we presume the best of intentions this

is sometimes referred to

as hanlon’s razor now a common trap in

our current mode of discourse is

that we so frequently presume malicious

intent

our desire for outrage perhaps fuels

this impulse

but it’s important that we repress this

we must presume

the most noble intent step

three avoid the urge to first hunt for

weaknesses

one of our first impulses is to try and

spot fallacies and to spot a weakness in

an argument

and oftentimes we feel we’re being

remarkably clever when we dismiss an

argument for its use for fallacy but in

reality

i suggest you that we’re simply taking

the easy way out

of confronting the substance of that

argument

and if you really need convincing

remember the fallacy fallacy

which states that it’s an error in logic

to assume that a conclusion is false

simply because it commits a fallacy

checkmate

fallacy hunters

step four in cases of ambiguity in an

argument presume the most

cogent meaning for suppressed premises

for missing premises

for confusions of inductive or deductive

logic or simply when somebody uses

misleading or inaccurate phrasing when

they don’t have the right words

do your best to fill in the blanks with

the most reasonable and logically

consistent

amendments

and step five finally with all of the

above taken into consideration

we outline the argument of our opponent

as vividly

fairly and clearly as possible

they should respond to you with wow

i could have said it better myself if

and only if they’re happy with the

summation

that you’ve given them can you proceed

with the evaluation

exploring the merits of the argument

this is your starting point for a

discussion

importantly this approach does not

entail ultimately agreeing

with the arguments that are presented

with to you but it does ensure you are

engaging with the argument

in its most robust form in adding this

bulletproof layer of iron cladding we

undoubtedly lower our chances of winning

the argument

indeed we’ve actively stacked the odds

against ourselves

but we have gotten much closer to

actually gaining something from the

debate itself

and ironically a beneficial side effect

of this methodology

is that it begets imitation the

charitable act of interpreting someone’s

argument

in the most generous possible way

diffuses that simmering animosity

and it often fosters a willingness to

return the favor

it has a very potent disarming effect

and so my challenge to you tonight then

is to disband the straw man army stand

them down

and adopt instead the iron man argument

you will lose more arguments certainly

debates will be longer they will be more

difficult without a doubt

but you will ultimately revive that

capacity for a productive discourse

and so the next time you get down in the

mud for a good argument

and utter that fateful phrase so what

you’re saying is

surprise everyone around you thank you

[Applause]

谢谢你 今晚

能和你在一起是一种荣幸和荣幸

我今晚真的想以

一个笑话开始

这是一个古老的

笑话 猪

现在很享受我自己很难声称自己是一名

哲学家,

但在

过去的十年里教授哲学并且很久以前就一直是哲学的学生

,我可以自信地

说这是我

肯定会

与 伟大的

人类历史哲学家

我喜欢在泥泞中

站稳脚跟

的确,我的家人今晚在这里,

我相信他们会很乐意

证明这一事实,

因为这个人明白,争论

是美妙的事情 讨论 辩论

争论 这些是 美妙的事物

砰砰的心跳

肾上腺素的激增 快速的反驳和

反驳

在我们恰到好处的时刻降落在那个完美的例子上的快感 认真交流

想法和观点 我们开始深入挖掘

离答案更近一点

至少更好地理解

问题

论据是美妙的事情,

但有五个词

对 很好的论据 听到这个

不祥的短语你就

知道认真的思想交流

即将陷入严重危险

这是这五个不祥的词

所以你说的就是你

说的你说的

就是你说的 是什么总是

遵循这条线

想想你上次

在讨论或辩论中听到有人这么说

,接下来是

对你的论点的清晰简洁的总结

没有经验

告诉我们我们将要见证的论点的重新表述

至多是对

我们刚刚提出的论点的过度简化

,最坏的情况

是对被彻底肢解的论点的演绎,

甚至无法通过其

牙科记录

,在特殊情况下,您甚至可能会

被这

六个词的变体对待,

所以您真正要说的是

这个公式的美妙之处在于

它大胆地

假设我们无法说出我们

真正的意思,

或者甚至我们是 恶意

混淆我们的真实含义

此外,它表明我们正在接受

治疗,

我们即将听到我们

真正含义

的翻译 让我们面对它的

翻译可能会让谷歌翻译

嫉妒它能够紧紧抓住

字面

意思的能力 原始陈述的内容,

但同时完全改变了

它的实质

所以我们在这里谈论的

是什么

在地平线上颤抖当我们听到这五个

致命的词时在地平线

上这种现象很普遍

,因为这是一个房间

充满了 tok 学生都非常

精通逻辑谬误

我想你可能知道

这是走向何方

这五个词确实是常见的

前奏

对于稻草人的论点你可能很

熟悉 这种

稻草人的论点是一种非正式的

谬误,即故意

歪曲

对手的论点,

以便现在更

容易攻击,以免

我在我的高位上过于自在

,重要的是 请注意,

不仅是其他人犯了这个

谬论,我们在历史上的某个时刻

可能在今天早些时候的某个时刻都回到了这个懒惰的

比喻上 它总是使辩论脱轨,

而现在的精力都浪费在

错误地描述

彼此的论点或试图挽救我们自己的论点上,

所有这些都减损

了话语的首要功能,即

通过理性辩论来更清楚地

理解 正如卡尔波普尔指出的争论或讨论的目的,一组

相互竞争的想法的相对优点

i

不应该是胜利,

而是

进步 我今晚的论点是

,当前世界精神错乱状态的一个关键因素

是我们越来越无法

参与建设性的讨论,

这对于任何

犯了试图参与的愚蠢错误

的人来说都是显而易见的

互联网上的

批判性辩论

是愚蠢的

辩论和

走向更富有成效的

讨论 我今晚向你介绍

稻草人论点的对立面

我现在介绍铁人论点

在我概述铁人

论点之前,我只想

花点时间简要阐述一下

我们生活的问题 在马克曼森所说

的暴行时代,

曼森暗示我们已经

沉迷于

自以为是的暴行,并且在

为了满足我们

对愤怒的欲望,我们故意

甚至有时兴高采烈地

曲解和歪曲

他人的论点和想法

,以便为我们找到一个新

的厌恶和道德愤慨的来源

来说明这个问题

历史将

在当前的气候下被

接受 他的身体能够

想象

在当前的气候下,这样的评论可能会引起什么样的

回应 在那条推文上并

在瞬间将其撕开现在显然在

某种程度上总是有蜜蜂

话语和辩论中的好斗元素我并不是

说这是一种全新的

现象,

但是随着意识形态部落主义

政治两极分化近年来明显加剧

,敌意变得越来越

明显,

只需要看看

你最喜欢的 youtube 中出现的动词 标题

了解这种对抗

想想这里跳出的词

这些动词

我们所看到的 毁灭

歼灭

粉碎 粉碎 内脏

这是毁灭的语言

这些视频在全球获得了数百万的

观看次数

这是人们消费

和模仿的话语的当前状态 一个确实精神错乱的世界

,所以我们能做什么补救措施 我们能做什么

我们如何抵消这种敌意

我们如何才能很好地回到

富有成效的、有意义的进步

话语

的状态 基本上所有形式的

改进都是从家里开始的,

我们必须 用

我们选择参与

争论和辩论的方式与自己艺术这不是

结束争论,

而是改善我们争论的方式,

重要的是钢铁侠争论

我今晚想向你建议的解决

方案不是解决问题的工具 瓦解其他

人的论点

这不是让你

赢得下一次辩论的万无一失的方法

我很抱歉事实上我想提出

完全相反

的建议

上升

或以任何可能的方式

加强对手的论点

现在我可以看到

在这个阶段人们头脑中的齿轮在转动

所以你说的是但是

如果你要说的话要小心你

说的是我们应该投资 时间

和精力来帮助我们正在

辩论的人更

有效地

赢得争论然后是的,基本上

这是正确的,

但在你冲出大门之前听我说完

我所做的 钢铁侠

论证实际上是一种在哲学中

有着悠久历史的话语方法

有时被

称为慈善原则

最终这是

我们在进行争论或讨论时做出的方法论假设 在我们对这个观点进行评估之前,首先寻求理解

这个观点,我们在这里以

最强大

最可信的形式挑战它

这是一个非常重要的点

,在我们被允许评估优点之前,我们必须以最强

最可信的形式重新构建它

因此,当您在野外某个地方进行辩论或争论时,这就是它的工作原理

第一步,我们会暂时搁置自己的

信念

或怀疑,因为有时可能

出现这样的可能性,即当

他们声称什么是什么时 他们声称这

可能是真的,但它可能

第一次出现

时很奇怪,这是一个比许多人预期的更具挑战性的步骤,

但这是至关重要的 因为它可以帮助我们

避免

从第二步开始就陷入好斗的姿态,所以

我们假设最好的意图

这有时被

称为 hanlon’s razor 现在

我们当前话语模式中的一个常见陷阱

是我们经常假设恶意

意图

我们的愿望 因为愤怒可能助长了

这种冲动,

但重要的是我们要抑制这种冲动,

我们必须

假设最崇高的意图

第三步避免首先寻找

弱点的冲动我们的第一个冲动是尝试

发现谬误并发现争论中的弱点

, 很多

时候,当我们驳斥一个论点是谬误时,我们会觉得自己非常聪明,

实际上

我建议你,我们只是

采取简单的方法

来面对那个论点的实质

,如果你真的需要说服,

请记住 谬误

谬误指出,仅仅因为它犯了一个谬误,就认为一个结论是错误的,这是一个逻辑错误。

第四步 在论证中出现歧义的情况下

假设最有

说服力的含义 隐含

前提 缺失

前提 混淆归纳或演绎

逻辑,或者仅仅当有人使用

误导性或不准确的措辞

而没有正确的词时

尽你所能 在

具有最合理和逻辑上

一致的

修改

的空白处,最后在第五步中

,考虑到上述所有因素

,我们尽可能生动、公平和清楚地概述了对手的论点,

他们应该用哇

我可以说得更好 我自己,当

且仅当他们对

您给他们的总结感到满意时,您才能继续

进行评估,

探索论点的优点,

这是您讨论的起点,

重要的是,这种方法并不

需要最终同意

以下论点

呈现给您,但它确实确保您

以最有力的形式参与论点 在添加这种

防弹的铁包层时,我们

无疑会降低我们

赢得辩论的机会

确实我们已经积极地将赔率

放在自己身上,

但我们已经更接近于

辩论本身

中获得一些东西,具有讽刺意味的是

,这种方法的有益副作用

是因为它会引发模仿 以最慷慨的方式

解释某人的论点的慈善行为

会分散这种酝酿中的敌意

并且它通常会培养一种

回报的意愿

它具有非常有效的解除武装的

效果 所以我今晚对你的挑战

是解散 稻草人军队

让他们失望

,取而代之的是钢铁侠的论点,

你会失去更多的论点,当然

辩论会更长,

毫无疑问,它们会更困难,

但你最终会恢复这种

能力,进行富有成效的讨论

,所以下次你得到 在

泥泞中寻找一个好的论点

并说出那个决定性的短语所以

你是什么 aying

让你周围的人都惊讶 谢谢你们

[鼓掌]