How architecture helped music evolve David Byrne

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this is the venue where as a young man

some of the music that I wrote was first

performed it was remarkably a pretty

good sounding room with all the uneven

walls and all the crap everywhere it

actually sounded pretty good

this is a song that was recorded there

this is not talking heads in the picture

anyway

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so the nature of the room meant that

words could be understood the lyrics of

the songs could be pretty much

understood the sound system was kind of

decent and there wasn’t a lot of

reverberation in the room so the rhythms

could be pretty intact - pretty concise

other places around the country had

similar rooms

this is Tootsie’s orchid lounge in

Nashville the music was in some ways

different but in structure in form very

much the same the clientele behavior was

very much the same - and so the bands at

Tootsie’s or at CBGB’s had to play loud

enough - the volume had to be loud

enough to overcome people falling down

shouting out and doing whatever else

they were doing since then I’ve played

other places that are much nicer I’ve

played the Disney Hall here and Carnegie

Hall and places like that and it’s been

very exciting but I also noticed that

sometimes the music that I had written

or was writing at the time didn’t sound

all that great and some of those halls

we managed but sometimes those halls

didn’t seem exactly suited to the music

I was making or had made so I asked

myself do I write stuff for specific

rooms do I have a place a venue in mind

when I write is that a kind of model for

creativity do we all make things with a

venue or context in mind okay Africa

most of the popular music that we know

now has a big part of its roots in West

Africa and the music there I would say

the instruments the intricate rhythms

the way it’s played the setting the

context it’s all perfect it all works

perfect the music works perfectly in

that setting there’s no big room to

create reverberation and confuse the

rhythms the instruments are loud enough

the

that can be heard without amplification

etc etc it’s no accident it’s perfect

for that particular context and it would

be a mess in a context like this this is

a Gothic cathedral in a Gothic cathedral

this kind of music is perfect

it doesn’t change key the notes are long

is almost no rhythm whatsoever and the

room flatters the music it actually

improves it this is the room that Bach

wrote some of his music for this is the

organ it’s not as big as a Gothic

cathedral so he can write things were a

little bit more intricate he can very

innovatively actually change keys

without risking huge distances

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this is a little bit later this is the

kinds of rooms that Mozart wrote I think

we’re in like 1770 somewhere around

there they’re smaller even less

reverberant so he can write really

freely music that’s very intricate and

the it works

it fits the room perfectly this is La

Scala some around the same time I think

was built around 1776 people in the

audience and these opera houses when

they were built they used to yell out to

one another they used to eat drink and

yell out to people on the stage just

like they do with CBGB’s in places like

that if they liked an area they would

holler and suggest that it be done again

as an encore not at the end of the show

but immediately and well that’s that’s

was an opera experience this is the

Opera House that vogner built for

himself and the size of the room is not

that big it’s smaller than this but well

vogner minute innovation he wanted a

bigger band he wanted a little more bomb

bass so he increased the size of the

orchestra pit so he could get more

low-end instruments in there

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okay this is Carnegie Hall obviously

this kind of thing became popular the

halls got bigger Carnegie Hall is fair

size it’s larger than some of the other

Symphony halls and they’re a lot more

reverberant than La Scala around the

same time according to Alex Ross who

writes for The New Yorker this kind of

rule came into effect that audiences had

to be quiet

no more eating drinking and yelling at

the stage or gossiping with one another

during the show they had to be very

quiet so those two things combined meant

that a different kind of music

worked best in these kind of halls it

meant that there could be extreme

dynamics which there weren’t in some of

these other kinds of music quiet parts

can be heard that would have been

drowned out by all the gossiping and

shouting but because of the

reverberation in those rooms like

Carnegie Hall the music had to be maybe

a little less rhythmic in a little more

textural

with Mahler

it looks like Bob Dylan but it’s smaller

that was Bob’s last record yeah popular

music coming along at the same time this

is a jazz band

according to Scott Joplin the bands were

playing on riverboats

and in clubs again it’s noisy they’re

playing for dancers and there’s certain

sections of the song the songs had

different sections and they that the

dance was really liked and they say play

that part again well there’s only so

many times you can play the same section

of a song over and over again for the

dancers so the band started to improvise

new melodies been a new form of music

was born

these are played mainly in small rooms

people are dancing shouting and drinking

so the music has to be loud enough to be

heard above that same thing goes true

for okay that’s beginning of the century

for the whole 20th century popular music

whether it’s rock or Latin music or

whatever it doesn’t really change that

much it changes about a third of the way

into the 20th century when this became

one of the primary venues for music and

this was one way that the music got

their microphones enabled singers in

particular and musicians and composers

to completely change the kind of music

that they were writing so far a lot of

the stuff that was on the radio is live

music but singers like Frank Sinatra

could use the mic and do things that

they could never do without a microphone

other singers after him went even

further funny

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sweet chet baker man this kind of thing

would have been impossible without a

microphone would have been impossible

without recorded music as well and he’s

singing right into your ear he’s

whispering into your ears the effect is

just electric it’s like the guy is

sitting next to you whispering who knows

what into your ear so at this point

music diverged there’s live music and

there’s recorded music and they no

longer have to be exactly the same

now there’s venues like this a

discotheque and there’s jukeboxes and

bars where you don’t even need to have a

band it doesn’t need to be any live

performing musicians whatsoever and the

sound systems are good people began to

make music specifically for discos and

for those sound systems and as with jazz

the dancers like certain sections more

than they did others so the early

hip-hop guys would loop certain sections

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pmc would improvise lyrics in the same

way that the jazz players would

improvise melodies and another new form

of music was born live performance when

it was incredibly successful ended up in

what is probably acoustically the worst

sounding venues on the planet sports

stadiums basketball arenas and hockey

arenas musicians that who ended up there

did the best they could they wrote what

is now called arena rock which is medium

speed ballads

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they did the best they could given that

this is what they’re writing for the

tempos are medium it sounds big it’s

more a social situation than a musical

situation and in some ways the music

that they’re writing for this place

works perfectly so there’s more new

venues one of the new ones is the

automobile I grew up with a radio in a

car but now that’s evolved into

something else the car is a whole venue

the music that I would say is written

for automobiles sound systems works

perfectly on it it might not be what you

want to listen to at home but it works

great in the car has a huge frequency

spectrum you know big bass and high end

and the voice kind of stuck in the

middle

automobile music you can share with your

friends there’s one other kind of new

venue the private mp3 player presumably

this is just for Christian music you and

in some ways just like Carnegie Hall or

that when they were told the audience

had to hush up because you can now hear

every single detail in other ways it’s

more like the West African music because

if the music and an mp3 player gets too

quiet you turn it up in the next minute

your ears are blasted out by a louder

passage so that doesn’t really work

I think pop music mainly that’s written

today to some extent is written for

these kind of players for this kind of

personal experience where you can hear

extreme detail but the dynamic doesn’t

change that much so I asked myself okay

is this a model for creation this

adaptation that we do and does it happen

anywhere else well according to David

Attenborough and some other people birds

do it too that the birds in the canopy

where the foliage is dense they’re calls

tend to be high-pitched short and

repetitive

and the birds on the floor tend to have

lower pitched calls so that they don’t

get distorted when they bounce off the

forest floor and birds like this

Savannah sparrow they tend to have a

buzzing type call and it turns out that

sound like this is the most energy

efficient and practical way to transmit

their call across the field and Savannah

other birds like this can injure have

adapted within the same species the

Tanager and the east coast of the United

States where the Forester little denser

has one kind of call and the Tanager on

the other side on the West has a

different kind of call so birds do it

too and I thought well if this is a

model for creation if we make music

primarily the form at least to fit these

contexts and if we make art to fit

gallery walls and museum walls and if we

write software to fit existing operating

systems is that how it works yeah I

think it’s it’s evolutionary it’s

adaptive but the pleasure and the

passion and the joy is still there this

is a reverse view of things from the

kind of traditional romantic view the

romantic view is that first comes the

passion and then the outpouring of

emotion and then somehow it gets shaped

into something and I’m saying well the

passion is still there but the vessel

that it’s going to be injected into

important to that is instinctively and

intuitively created first we already

know where that passion is going but

this conflict of views is kind of

interesting the writer

thomas frank says that this might be a

kind of explanation why some voters vote

against their best interests that voters

like a lot of us assume that if they

hear something that sounds like it’s

sincere that it’s coming from the gut

that it’s passionate that it’s more

authentic and they’ll vote for that so

that if somebody can fake sincerity if

they can fake passion they stand a

better chance of being selected in that

way which seems a little dangerous I’m

saying the two the passion the joy are

not mutually exclusive maybe what the

world means now is for us to realize

that we are like the birds we adapt we

sing and like the birds the joy is still

there even though we have changed what

we do to fit the context thank you very

much

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这是

我年轻时第一次演奏我写的一些音乐的地方,

这是一个非常

好的音响室

,所有的墙壁都参差不齐,到处都是废话,

实际上听起来

不错 在那里录制的一首歌无论如何

这不是图片中的谈话头

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所以房间的性质意味着

可以理解单词

歌曲的歌词几乎可以

理解声音系统有点

体面并且没有 房间里没有太多的

混响,所以节奏

可以很完整 - 非常简洁

全国其他地方也有

类似的房间

这是纳什维尔的 Tootsie 兰花休息室

音乐在某些方面

有所不同,但在结构形式上

非常相似 客户的行为

非常相似——因此,

Tootsie’s 或 CBGB’s 的乐队必须演奏

得足够响亮——音量必须

足够大,以克服人们摔倒时

大喊大叫的声音 d 做他们从那以后做的任何其他

事情 我玩过

其他更好的地方 我

玩过这里的迪斯尼音乐厅和卡内基

音乐厅以及类似的地方,这

非常令人兴奋,但我也

注意到有时我拥有的音乐 当时写的

或正在写的听起来

不是那么好,

我们管理的一些大厅,但有时这些大厅

似乎并不完全适合

我正在制作或已经制作的音乐,所以我问

自己我是否为特定的音乐写东西

房间我有一个地方吗?我写作时会想到一个场地吗?

是一种创造力的模型,

我们是否都

在考虑场地或背景的情况下制作东西好吗?非洲

我们现在知道的大多数流行音乐

都有很大一部分 起源于

西非和那里的音乐 我会

说乐器 复杂的节奏

它的演奏方式

环境 环境 一切都很完美 一切

都完美 音乐在

那个环境中完美运行 没有很大的空间可以

创造混响和骗局 融合

节奏乐器足够响亮

无需放大就可以听到

等等这绝非偶然它非常

适合特定的上下文

在这样的上下文中会一团糟这

是哥特式大教堂中的哥特式大教堂

这种音乐 很

完美 不会变调 音符很

长 几乎没有任何节奏

房间很讨人喜欢 它实际上

改善了它 这是巴赫

写他的一些音乐的房间 这是

管风琴 它没有哥特式那么大

大教堂,所以他可以写东西

有点复杂他可以非常

创新地改变钥匙

而不会冒很大的距离

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这有点晚了这

是莫扎特写的那种房间我

想我们在1770年的某个地方 在

那里,它们更小,甚至更不

混响,所以他可以真正

自由地创作非常复杂的音乐

,而且效果

很好,非常适合房间 这是

斯卡拉歌剧院,大约在同一时间 hink

是围绕 1776 名

观众而建造的,这些歌剧院

建成时,他们过去常常互相大喊大叫,

他们过去常常

在舞台上大喊大叫,

就像他们在这样的地方对 CBGB 所做的那样

,如果他们 喜欢一个他们会大声喊叫的区域,

并建议

不要在演出结束时再做一次安可,

而是立即进行,这

就是一次歌剧体验,这是

沃格纳为自己建造的歌剧院

,房间的大小是 没

那么大 它比这个小 但是很好

vogner 微小的创新 他想要一个

更大的乐队 他想要更多的炸弹

贝司 所以他增加了乐池的大小,

这样他就可以

在那里获得更多的低端乐器

[音乐]

好的,这是 Carnegie Hall 显然

这种东西变得流行了,

大厅变得更大了 Carnegie Hall 大小适中,

它比其他一些

交响乐大厅更大,而且它们的

回响也比

同时期的斯卡拉大得多。 对于为《纽约客》撰稿的亚历克斯·罗斯来说

,这种

规则生效了,观众

必须保持安静,

不要再在舞台上吃饭喝酒大喊大叫,

或者

在演出期间互相八卦,他们必须非常

安静,所以这两件事 组合

意味着不同类型的音乐

在这些类型的音乐厅中效果最好,这

意味着可能会有极端的

动态,而

这些其他类型的音乐中没有一些可以听到安静的部分,这些部分

被所有的音乐所淹没 八卦和

大喊大叫,但由于

在卡内基音乐厅等房间的回响,

音乐必须

在与马勒更具质感的情况下少一点节奏感

与此同时,

根据斯科特乔普林的说法,这是一支爵士乐队,乐队

在河船上演奏

,在俱乐部里,他们

为舞者演奏很吵,而且有一定的

教派 这首歌的歌曲有

不同的部分,他们说

舞蹈真的很喜欢,他们说

再次播放那部分很好,只有这么

多次你可以

为舞者一遍又一遍地播放歌曲的同一部分,

所以乐队开始了 即兴创作

新的旋律是一种新的音乐形式

诞生了

这些主要在小房间里演奏

人们在跳舞大喊和喝酒

所以音乐必须足够响亮才能在

上面听到同样的事情也是

如此好吧那是本世纪初

整个 20 世纪的流行音乐,

无论是摇滚乐还是拉丁音乐,或者

其他并没有太大变化的音乐,

它在 20 世纪的三分之一左右发生了变化,

当时它

成为音乐的主要场所之一,

这是一种方式 音乐得到了

他们的麦克风,

特别是使歌手、音乐家和作曲家

能够彻底改变

他们迄今为止所写的音乐类型很多

广播中的内容都是 li ve

音乐,但像 Frank Sinatra

这样的歌手可以使用麦克风,

做没有麦克风他们永远做不到的事情

其他歌手在他之后

更有趣

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sweet chet baker man 这种事情

如果没有麦克风是不可能的

没有录制的音乐也是不可能的而且他

在你耳边唱歌他

在你耳边耳语效果

就像电一样的人

坐在你旁边窃窃私语谁

知道你的耳朵所以在这一点上

音乐分歧有现场音乐和

有录制的音乐,它们

不再必须完全相同,

现在有像迪斯科舞厅这样的场所

,有自动点唱机和

酒吧,你甚至不需要

乐队,不需要任何现场

表演的音乐家,而且

音响系统是好的人们开始

专门为迪斯科

和那些音响系统制作音乐,就像爵士乐一样

,舞者更喜欢某些部分

嘿,其他人这样做了,所以早期

的嘻哈人会循环某些部分

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pmc 会即兴创作歌词,

就像爵士乐手

即兴创作旋律一样,另一种新

的音乐形式诞生于现场表演,当时

它取得了令人难以置信的成功,最终在

什么可能

是地球上声学上最糟糕的

场地 体育场 篮球场和曲棍球

场 音乐家最终在那里

尽了最大的努力 他们写了

现在所谓的竞技场摇滚,这是中

速民谣

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他们尽了最大的努力 可以考虑到

这是他们为节奏所写的内容

中等 听起来很大 这

更像是一种社交场合而不是

音乐场合 在某些

方面他们为这个地方写的音乐

完美无缺,所以有更多的新

场地之一 新的

汽车是我从小就带着收音机长大的

汽车但现在它已经演变成

别的东西汽车是一个完整的场地

我想说的音乐是写的

用于汽车音响系统

完美运行它可能不是你

想在家里听的,但它

在汽车上效果很好有一个巨大的

频谱你知道低音和高音

,声音有点卡在

中间

汽车音乐 你可以和你的

朋友分享还有另一种新的

场地私人mp3播放器大概

这只是为了基督教音乐你和

在某些方面就像卡内基音乐厅

或者当他们被告知观众

不得不闭嘴因为你现在可以听到

每一个细节在其他方面都

更像西非音乐,因为

如果音乐和 mp3 播放器变得太

安静,你会在下一分钟打开它,

你的耳朵会被更响亮的通道炸飞,

所以我认为这并不起作用

主要是今天写的流行音乐,

在某种程度上是为这类玩家写的,

为了这种

个人体验,你可以听到

极端的细节,但动态

变化不大,所以我问了 mysel f 好吧

,这是创造这种适应的模型

吗?根据大卫·阿滕伯勒(David

Attenborough)和其他一些人的说法,

我们所做的这种适应在其他任何地方都能很好

地发生 高音短而

重复

,地板上的鸟儿往往有

较低的音调,因此

当它们从森林地面弹起时不会失真,

像这只

萨凡纳麻雀这样的鸟儿,它们往往会

发出嗡嗡声,然后转

听起来像这样的声音是最

节能和最实用的方式来

在田野上传递他们的呼唤,萨凡纳

其他像这样可能伤害的鸟类已经

适应了同一物种的

唐纳雀和美国东海岸

的森林人密度较小的地方

一种叫声,而

西方另一边的唐纳

雀有不同的叫声,所以鸟儿也

会这样做,我想

,如果我们首先制作音乐,这是否是一种创造模式

至少使形式适合这些

环境,如果我们制作适合

画廊墙壁和博物馆墙壁的艺术,如果我们

编写适合现有操作系统的软件

,那么它是如何工作

快乐仍然存在 这

一种与传统浪漫主义观点相反的观点

浪漫主义观点是首先出现

激情,然后是情感的倾泻

,然后不知何故它被塑造

成某种东西,我说得好

激情仍然存在

,但要注入的

重要容器是本能地和

直觉地首先创建

一种解释为什么一些

选民投票反对他们的最佳利益,

像我们很多人这样的选民认为,如果他们

听到一些听起来像是

真诚的事情 不是发自内心的

,它是热情的,它更

真实,他们会投票赞成,

这样如果有人可以假装真诚,如果

他们可以假装激情,他们

更有可能以这种方式被选中,

这似乎有点危险我 我

说这两者 激情 快乐

并不相互排斥 也许

现在世界对我们意味着什么是让我们认识

到我们就像我们适应的鸟 我们

唱歌和鸟一样

即使我们改变了

我们所做的事情,快乐仍然存在 非常感谢你

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