Dare to refuse the origin myths that claim who you are Chetan Bhatt

I’m Chetan Bhatt

and when I give my name,
I’m often asked, “Where are you from?”

And I normally say London.

(Laughter)

But of course, I know
what they’re really asking,

so I say something like,

“Well, my grandparents and my mum
were born in India,

my dad and I were born in Kenya,

and I was brought up in London.

And then they’ve got me mapped.

“Ah, you’re a Kenyan Asian.
I’ve worked with one of those.”

(Laughter)

And from my name they probably
assume that I’m a Hindu.

And this sort of fixes me for them.

But what about the Christians

and the Muslims and the atheists

that I grew up with?

Or the socialists and the liberals,

even the occasional Tory?

(Laughter)

Indeed, all kinds of women and men –

vegetable sellers, factory workers,
cooks, car mechanics –

living in my working class area,

in some profoundly important way,

they are also a part of me

and are here with me.

Maybe that’s why I find it hard
to respond to questions about identity

and about origin.

And it’s not just a sort of
teenage refusal to be labeled.

It’s about our own most identities,

the ones that we put our hands up to,

the ones that we cheer for,

the ones that we fight for,

the ones that we love or hate.

And it’s about how we apprehend ourselves

as well as others.

And it’s about identities
we just assume that we have

without thinking too much about them.

But our responses
to questions of identity and origin

have substantial
social and political importance.

We see the wars, the rages of identity
going on all around us.

We see violent religious,
national and ethnic disputes.

And often the conflict is based
on old stories of identity

and belonging

and origins.

And these identities are based on myths,

typically about ancient,
primordial origins.

And these could be about Adam and Eve

or about the supremacy
of a caste or gender

or about the vitality of a supposed race

or about the past glories
of an empire or civilization

or about a piece of land

that some imagined deity has gifted.

Now, people say

that origin stories and identity myths
make us feel secure.

What’s wrong with that?

They give us a sense of belonging.

Identity is your cultural clothing,

and it can make you feel
warm and fuzzy inside.

But does it really?

Do we really need
identity myths to feel safe?

Because I see religious,
national, ethnic disputes

as adding to human misery.

Can I dare you

to refuse every origin myth

that claims you?

What if we reject
every single primordial origin myth

and develop a deeper sense of personhood,

one responsible to humanity as a whole

rather than to a particular tribe,

a radically different idea of humanity

that exposes how origin myths mystify,

disguise global power,

rapacious exploitation,

poverty, the worldwide oppression
of women and girls,

and of course massive,
accelerating inequalities?

Now, origin myths
are closely linked to tradition,

and the word tradition
points to something old

and permanent, almost natural,

and people assume tradition
is just history,

simply the past
condensed into a nice story.

But let’s not confuse
tradition with history.

The two are often in severe conflict.

Origin stories are usually recently
created fictions of ancient belonging,

and they’re absurd

given the complexity of humanity

and our vastly interconnected,
even if very unequal world.

And today we see claims to tradition

that claim to be ancient

changing rapidly in front of our eyes.

I was brought up in the 1970s near Wembley

with Asian, English, Caribbean,
Irish families living in our street,

and the neo-Nazi National Front
was massive then

with regular marches and attacks on us

and a permanent threat

and often a frequent reality
of violence against us

on the streets, in our homes,

typically by neo-Nazis and other racists.

And I remember during a general election
a leaflet came through our letter box

with a picture of the National Front
candidate for our area.

And the picture

was of our next-door neighbor.

He threatened to shoot me once
when I played in the garden as a kid,

and many weekends, shaven-headed
National Front activists

arrived at his house

and emerged with scores of placards

screaming that they wanted us
to go back home.

But today he’s one of my mum’s best mates.

He’s a very lovely, gentle and kind man,

and at some point in his
political journey out of fascism

he embraced a broader idea of humanity.

There was a Hindu family
that we got to know well –

and you have to understand
that life in our street

was a little bit like the setting
for an Asian soap opera.

Everyone knew everyone else’s business,

even if they didn’t want it
to be known by anyone at all.

You really had no choice in this matter.

But in this family,
there was a quiet little boy

who went to the same school as I did,

and after I left school,
I didn’t hear much more about him,

except that he’d gone off to India.

Now around 2000,

I remember seeing this short book.

The book was unusual

because it was written
by a British supporter of Al Qaeda,

and in it the author calls
for attacks in Britain.

This is in 1999,

so 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq
was still in the future,

and he helped scout
New York bombing targets.

He taught others how to make a dirty bomb
to use on the London Underground,

and he plotted a massive bombing campaign
in London’s shopping areas.

He’s a very high-risk security
prisoner in the UK

and one of the most important Al Qaeda
figures to be arrested in Britain.

The author of that book

was the very same quiet little boy

who went to my school.

So a Hindu boy from Britain

became an Al Qaeda fighter

and a most-wanted international terrorist,

and he rejected what people would call
his Hindu or Indian or British identity,

and he became someone else.

He refused to be who he was.

He recreated himself,

and this kind of journey is very common

for young men and women

who become involved
in Al Qaeda or Islamic State

or other transnational armed groups.

Al Qaeda’s media spokesman
is a white American

from a Jewish and Catholic
mixed background,

and neither he nor the boy from my school

were from Muslim backgrounds.

There’s no point in asking them
where are they from.

A more important question is
where they’re going.

And I would also put it to you

that exactly the same journey
occurs for those young men and women

who were brought up
in Muslim family backgrounds.

Most of those who join Al Qaeda

and other Salafi jihadi groups
from Europe, Asia, North America,

even in many cases the Middle East

are those who have comprehensively
rejected their backgrounds

to become, in essence, new people.

They spend an enormous amount of time
attacking their parents' backgrounds

as profane, impure, blasphemous,

the wrong type of Islam,

and their vision instead

is a fantastical view
of cosmic apocalypse.

It’s a born again vision.

Discard your past,
your society, your family and friends

since they’re all impure.

Instead, become someone else,

your true self,

your authentic self.

Now, this isn’t
about a return to the past.

It’s about using a forgery of the past

to envision an appalling future
which begins today at year zero.

This is why over 80 percent of the victims
of Al Qaeda and Islamic State

are people from Muslim backgrounds.

The first act by Salafi jihadi groups
when they take over an area

is to destroy existing Muslim institutions

including mosques,
shrines, preachers, practices.

Their main purpose is to control
and punish people internally,

to dictate the spaces that women may go,

their clothing, family relations,

beliefs, even the minute detail
of how one prays.

And you get the impression in the news

that they are after us in the West,

but they are actually mainly after
people from other Muslim backgrounds.

In their view, no other Muslim
can ever be pure enough,

so ordinary beliefs and practices
that have existed for centuries

are attacked as impure

by teenagers from Birmingham or London

who know nothing

about the histories
that they so joyously obliterate.

Now here, their claim to tradition
is at war with history,

but they’re nevertheless
very certain about their purity

and about the impurity of others.

Purity,

certainty,

the return to authentic tradition,

the quest for these
can lead to lethal visions

of perfect societies and perfected people.

This is what the main Hindu
fundamentalist organization in India

looks like today at its mass rally.

Maybe it reminds you
of the 1930s in Italy or Germany,

and the movement’s roots
are indeed in fascism.

It was a member of the same
Hindu fundamentalist movement

who shot dead Mahatma Gandhi.

Hindu fundamentalists today
view this murderer as a national hero,

and they want to put up
statues of him throughout India.

They’ve been involved for decades

in large-scale mass violence
against minorities.

They ban books, art, films.

They attack romantic couples
on Valentine’s Day,

Christians on Christmas Day.

They don’t like others talking critically

about what they see
as their ancient culture

or using its images

or caricaturing it

or drawing cartoons about it.

But the people making
the strongest possible claims

about ancient, timeless Hindu religion

are dressed in brown shorts
and white shirts

while claiming, oddly,

to be the original Aryan race,

just like the violent Salafi jihadis

who make their claims
about their primordial religion

while dressed in black military uniforms

and wearing balaclavas.

These people are manufacturing
pure, pristine identities of conviction

and of certainty.

Fundamentalists see religion and culture
as their sole property, a property.

But religions and cultures are processes.

They’re not things. They’re impermanent.
They’re messy. They’re impure.

Look at any religion
and you’ll see disputes and arguments

going all the way down.

Any criticism of religion in any form

has to therefore be

part of the expansive sense of humanity

we should aspire to.

I respect your right
to have and to express your religion

or your culture or your opinion,

but I don’t necessarily
have to respect the content.

I might like some of it.

I might like how an old church
looks, for example,

but this isn’t the same thing.

Similarly, I have a human right

to say something
that you may find offensive,

but you do not have a human right
not to be offended.

In a genuine democracy,
we’re constantly offended

since people express
different views all the time.

They also change their views,

so their views are impermanent.

You cannot fix someone’s political views

based on their religious
or national or cultural background.

Now, these points about religious purity

also apply to nationalism and to racism.

I’m always puzzled

to have pride in your national
or ethnic identity,

pride in the accident of birth
from a warm and cozy womb,

belief in your superiority
because of the accident of birth.

These people have very firm ideas

about what belongs and what doesn’t belong

inside the cozy national cultures
that they imagine.

And I’m going to caricature a bit here,
but only a little bit.

I want you to imagine
the supporter of some Little Englander

or British nationalist political party,

and he’s sitting at home

and he’s screaming about foreigners

invading his country

while watching Fox News,

an American cable channel

owned by an Australian

on his South Korean television set

which was bought
by his Spanish credit card

which is paid off monthly
by his high-street British bank

which has its headquarters in Hong Kong.

He supports a British football team
owned by a Russian.

His favorite brand of fish and chips

is owned by a Swedish
venture capitalist firm.

The church he sometimes goes to

has its creed decided
in meetings in Ghana.

His Union Jack underpants

were made in India.

(Laughter)

And –

(Applause)

Thank you.

And they’re laundered regularly

by a very nice Polish lady.

(Laughter)

There is no pure ethnicity,
national culture,

and the ethical choices we have today

are far wider than being forced to choose

between racist right
and religious right visions,

dismal visions of culture.

Now, culture isn’t just
about language, food, clothing and music,

but gender relations, ancient monuments,

a heritage of sacred texts.

But culture can also be
what has been decided to be culture

by those who have a political stake

in pounding culture
into the shape of a prison.

Big political identity claims
are elite bids for power.

They’re not answers to social
or economic or political injustices.

They often obscure them.

And what about the large number
of people across the globe

who can’t point
to a monument from their past,

who don’t possess a sacred written text,

who can’t hark back

to the past glories
of a civilization or empire?

Are these people less a part of humanity?

What about you,

now, listening to this?

What about you and your identity,

because you stitch your experiences
and your thoughts into a continuous person

moving forward in time.

And this is what you are when you say,

“I,” “am,” or “me.”

But this also includes
all of your hopes and dreams,

all of the you’s that could have been,

and it includes all the other people

and the things that are
in the biography of who you are.

They, the others,

are also a part of you,

moving forward with you.

Your authentic self,
if such a thing exists,

is a complex, messy and uncertain self,

and that is a very good thing.

Why not value those
impurities and uncertainties?

Maybe clinging to pure identities
is a sign of immaturity,

and ethnic, nationalist
and religious traditions are bad for you.

Why not be skeptical
about every primordial origin claim

made on your behalf?

Why not reject the identity myths
that call on you to belong,

that politicians and community leaders,

so-called community leaders,

place on you?

If we don’t need origin stories
and fixed identities,

we can challenge ourselves
to think creatively

about each other and our future.

And here culture
always takes care of itself.

I’m not worried about culture.

Cultures are creative, dynamic processes,

not imposed laws and boundaries.

This is Abu al-Walid Muhammad
ibn Ahmad ibn Rushd,

a very senior Muslim judge and thinker
in Cordoba in the 12th century,

and his writings were considered
deeply blasphemous, heretical and evil.

Long after he died,

followers of his work
were ruthlessly hunted down,

banished and killed over several centuries

by the most powerful religious institution
of the medieval period.

That institution was
the Roman Catholic Church.

Why?

Because ibn Rushd said
that something true in religion

may conflict with something

that your reason
finds to be true on earth,

but the latter is still true.

There are two distinct worlds of truth,

one based on our reason and evidence,
and one that is divine,

and the state, political power, social law
are in the realm of reason.

Religious life is a different realm.

They should be kept separated.

Social and political life
should be governed by our reason,

not by religion.

And you can see why the church
was upset by his writings,

as indeed were some Muslims
during his lifetime,

because he gives us
a strong statement of secularism

of a kind which is normal in Europe today.

Now, history plays many tricks on us.

It undermines our fixed truths

and what we believe
to be our culture and their culture.

Ibn Rushd, someone
who happens to be a Muslim,

is considered one of the key influences

in the introduction and spread
of secularism in Europe.

So against religious, nationalist
and racial purists of all kinds,

can you make his story a part of your own,

not because he happened to be a Muslim,

not because he happened to be an Arab,

but because he was a human being

with some very good ideas

that shook his world

and ours.

Thank you.

(Applause)

我是 Chetan Bhatt

,当我说出我的名字时,
经常有人问我:“你来自哪里?”

我通常说伦敦。

(笑声

) 当然,我
知道他们真正在问什么,

所以我会说,

“嗯,我的祖父母和
妈妈出生在印度,

我爸爸和我出生在肯尼亚,我在肯尼亚

长大 伦敦

。然后他们给我绘制了地图。

“啊,你是肯尼亚亚裔。
我和其中一个人一起工作过。”

(笑声

)从我的名字
来看,他们可能认为我是印度教徒

。这对他们来说是固定的。

但我成长的基督徒

、穆斯林和

无神论者呢? 跟上?

还是社会主义者和自由主义者,

甚至偶尔的保守党?

(笑声)

的确,各种各样的女人和男人——

蔬菜小贩、工厂工人、
厨师、汽车修理工——

生活在我的工人阶级地区,

在某些深刻的 重要的方式,

他们也是我的一部分,

和我在一起。

也许这就是为什么我
很难回答关于身份

和起源的问题

。这不仅仅是一种
拒绝被贴上标签的青少年。

这是关于我们自己的 大多数身份,

我们举手

的人,我们欢呼

的人,我们为之奋斗

的人,我们爱或恨的人

。这关乎我们如何理解

自己和他人

。这关乎
我们只是假设我们拥有的身份

而没有过多考虑它们。

但是我们
对问题的回答 f 身份和出身

具有重大的
社会和政治重要性。

我们看到战争,身份认同的愤怒
在我们周围发生。

我们看到暴力的宗教、
民族和种族纠纷。

冲突往往是基于
关于身份

、归属

和起源的古老故事。

这些身份是基于神话的,

通常是关于古老的
原始起源。

这些可能是关于亚当和夏娃,

或者
关于种姓或性别的至高无上,

或者关于一个假定种族的活力,

或者
关于一个帝国或文明的过去荣耀,

或者关于

某个想象中的神赐予的一块土地。

现在,人们

说起源故事和身份神话
让我们感到安全。

那有什么问题?

他们给我们一种归属感。

身份是你的文化外衣

,它能让你内心感到
温暖和模糊。

但真的吗?

我们真的需要
身份神话才能感到安全吗?

因为我认为宗教、
民族、种族纠纷

会增加人类的苦难。

我敢让你

拒绝每一个

声称你的起源神话吗?

如果我们拒绝
每一个原始起源神话

并发展一种更深层次的人格意识,

一种对整个人类

而不是对特定部落负责的人,

一种完全不同的人性观念

,揭示起源神话如何神秘化、

掩盖全球力量、

贪婪剥削 、

贫困、世界范围内
对妇女和女孩的压迫

,当然还有大规模、
加速的不平等?

现在,起源
神话与传统密切相关,

传统一词
指向古老

而永恒的事物,几乎是自然的

,人们认为传统
只是历史,

只是将过去
浓缩成一个美好的故事。

但是,我们不要将
传统与历史混为一谈。

两者经常发生严重冲突。

起源故事通常是最近
创作的关于古代归属的小说,

考虑到人类的复杂性

和我们相互联系的巨大
世界,即使是非常不平等的世界,它们也是荒谬的。

而今天,我们看到

声称是古老的传统的主张

在我们眼前迅速变化。

我在 1970 年代在温布利附近长大

,亚洲、英国、加勒比、
爱尔兰家庭住在我们的街道上

,当时新纳粹国民阵线
规模庞大

,经常游行和袭击我们

,这是一个永久的威胁,

而且经常是

在街上,在我们的家中,

通常是新纳粹分子和其他种族主义者对我们施暴。

我记得在大选期间
,我们的信箱里收到

了一张传单,上面有一张我们地区国民阵线
候选人的照片。

这张照片

是我们隔壁的邻居。

当我小时候在花园里玩耍时,他威胁要开枪打死我

,许多周末,光头的
国民阵线活动家

来到他家

,出现了几十张标语牌,

尖叫着要
我们回家。

但今天他是我妈妈最好的伙伴之一。

他是一个非常可爱、温柔和善良的人

,在他摆脱法西斯主义的政治旅程中的某个时刻,

他接受了更广泛的人性观念。

我们很熟悉一个印度教家庭

——你必须明白
,我们街上的生活

有点
像亚洲肥皂剧的场景。

每个人都知道其他人的事情,

即使他们根本不想
让任何人知道。

在这件事上你真的别无选择。

但是在这个家里,
有一个安静的小男孩

和我上同一所学校,我离开学校后,除了他去了印度


我没有听到更多关于他的消息

现在大约在 2000 年,

我记得看过这本短书。

这本书很不寻常,

因为它是
由基地组织的英国支持者写的

,作者在书中呼吁
对英国发动袭击。

这是在 1999 年,

所以 9/11 和伊拉克的入侵
仍在未来

,他帮助侦察
了纽约的轰炸目标。

他教别人如何制造脏弹
以在伦敦地铁上使用,

并在伦敦的购物区策划了一场大规模的轰炸活动

他在英国是一个非常危险的安全
囚犯,也是在英国被捕

的最重要的基地组织
人物之一。

那本书的作者就是我学校

的那个安静的小

男孩。

因此,一个来自英国的印度教男孩

成为了基地组织战士

和头号国际恐怖分子

,他拒绝了人们所谓
的印度教、印度或英国身份

,他变成了另一个人。

他拒绝成为他自己。

他重新创造了自己

,这种旅程

对于

参与基地组织或伊斯兰国

或其他跨国武装组织的年轻男女来说非常普遍。

基地组织的媒体发言人
是一名美国白人

,具有犹太和天主教
混合背景,

他和我学校的男孩

都不是穆斯林背景。

没有必要问
他们来自哪里。

一个更重要的问题是
他们要去哪里。

我还要告诉你

的是


在穆斯林家庭背景下长大的年轻男女也会经历完全相同的旅程。

大多数

来自欧洲、亚洲、北美,

甚至在许多情况下中东加入基地组织和其他

萨拉菲圣战组织的人,都是完全
拒绝自己的背景

,本质上成为新人的人。

他们花费大量时间
攻击他们父母的背景,

认为他们是亵渎、不纯洁、亵渎神明

、错误类型的伊斯兰教,

而他们的愿景


对宇宙末日的幻想。

这是一个重生的愿景。

抛弃你的过去、
你的社会、你的家人和朋友,

因为他们都是不纯洁的。

相反,成为另一个人,成为

真正的自己

,真正的自己。

现在,这
不是回到过去。

它是关于使用对过去的伪造

来设想一个
从今天零年开始的骇人听闻的未来。

这就是为什么基地组织和伊斯兰国超过 80% 的受害者

是穆斯林背景的人。

萨拉菲圣战
组织接管一个地区后的第一件事

是摧毁现有的穆斯林机构,

包括清真寺、
圣地、传教士和习俗。

他们的主要目的是在
内部控制和惩罚人们

,规定女性可以去的空间、

她们的衣服、家庭关系、

信仰,甚至是
一个人如何祈祷的微小细节。

你在新闻中得到的印象

是他们在西方追随我们,

但实际上他们主要
追随来自其他穆斯林背景的人。

在他们看来,没有其他穆斯林
可以足够纯洁,

因此存在了几个世纪的普通信仰和习俗

被来自伯明翰或伦敦的青少年攻击为不纯洁

,他们对他们如此愉快地抹杀的历史一无所知。

现在在这里,他们对传统的主张
与历史交战,

但他们仍然
非常确定

自己的纯洁和其他人的不纯洁。

纯洁、

确定

、回归真正的传统,

对这些的追求
可能导致

完美社会和完美人民的致命愿景。

这就是今天印度主要的印度教
原教旨主义组织

在大规模集会上的样子。

也许它让你
想起了 1930 年代的意大利或德国,

而这场运动的
根源确实是法西斯主义。

枪杀圣雄甘地的是同一个
印度教原教旨主义运动的

成员。

今天的印度教原教旨主义者
将这个凶手视为民族英雄

,他们想
在印度各地树立他的雕像。

几十年来,他们一直参与针对少数群体

的大规模大规模暴力活动

他们禁止书籍、艺术、电影。

他们在情人节攻击浪漫的情侣

在圣诞节攻击基督徒。

他们不喜欢别人批评性地

谈论他们所
看到的古老文化

或使用其图像

或漫画

或画漫画。

但是,那些

对古老、永恒的印度教宗教提出最强烈主张的

人穿着棕色短裤
和白衬衫

,同时奇怪的是,他们声称

自己是原始的雅利安种族,

就像暴力的萨拉菲圣战

者在穿着衣服时
声称他们的原始宗教一样

身着黑色军装

,头戴巴拉克拉法帽。

这些人正在制造
纯粹、原始的信念

和确定性身份。

原教旨主义者将宗教和文化
视为他们唯一的财产,一种财产。

但宗教和文化是过程。

它们不是东西。 它们是无常的。
他们很乱。 他们不纯洁。

看看任何宗教
,你都会看到争议和

争论一直在下降。 因此

,任何形式的对宗教的批评

都必须

成为我们应该追求的广阔人性的一部分

我尊重你
拥有和表达你的宗教

或文化或观点的权利,

但我不一定
要尊重内容。

我可能会喜欢其中的一些。 例如,

我可能喜欢老教堂的
外观,

但这不是一回事。

同样,我有

人权说
一些你可能觉得冒犯的话,

但你没有不被冒犯的人权

在一个真正的民主国家,
我们经常被冒犯,

因为人们总是表达
不同的观点。

他们也改变他们的观点,

所以他们的观点是无常的。

你不能

根据某人的宗教
或国家或文化背景来修正他们的政治观点。

现在,这些关于宗教纯洁的观点

也适用于民族主义和种族主义。

我总是

为你的民族
或种族身份

感到自豪,为从温暖舒适的子宫意外出生而自豪,因为出生意外而

相信你的优越感,我总是感到困惑

这些人对于他们想象

的舒适的民族文化
中什么属于什么不属于有非常坚定的想法。

我将在这里讽刺一点,
但只是一点点。

我想让你想象一下
某个小英格兰人

或英国民族主义政党的支持者

,他坐在家里

,一边看福克斯新闻,一边尖叫着外国人

入侵他的国家

是一个澳大利亚人

在他的韩国电视机上拥有的美国有线电视频道。

他是用他的西班牙信用卡购买的,该信用卡

每月
由他

的总部设在香港的高街英国银行还清。

他支持
俄罗斯人拥有的英国足球队。

他最喜欢的炸鱼

薯条品牌由一家瑞典
风险投资公司拥有。

他有时去的教堂

在加纳的会议上决定了它的信条。

他的英国国旗内裤

是在印度制造的。

(笑声)

还有——

(掌声)

谢谢。

他们定期

由一位非常友善的波兰女士清洗。

(笑声)

没有纯粹的种族、
民族文化

,我们今天的道德

选择远比被迫

在种族主义右翼
和宗教右翼愿景之间做出选择

,文化的悲观愿景要广泛得多。

现在,文化
不仅仅是语言、食物、服装和音乐,

还有性别关系、古代遗迹

和神圣文本的遗产。

但是,文化也可以
是那些

在将文化
塑造成监狱的过程中拥有政治利益的人所决定的文化。

大的政治身份主张
是精英对权力的竞标。

它们不是对社会
、经济或政治不公正的回应。

他们经常掩盖他们。

那么
全球有很多

人无法
指出他们过去的纪念碑

,没有神圣的书面文字

,无法回忆

起一个文明或帝国的过去荣耀呢?

这些人是不是人类的一部分?

你呢,

现在,听这个?

那么你和你的身份呢,

因为你将你的经历
和你的想法拼接成一个不断

前进的人。

这就是你说

“我”、“我”或“我”时的样子。

但这也包括
你所有的希望和梦想,

所有可能的你

,它包括所有其他人和

你是谁传记中的事情。

他们,其他人,

也是你的一部分,

与你一起前进。

你真实的自我,
如果存在这样的东西,

是一个复杂、混乱和不确定的自我

,这是一件非常好的事情。

为什么不重视那些
杂质和不确定性呢?

也许执着于纯粹的身份
是不成熟的表现

,种族、民族主义
和宗教传统对你不利。

为什么不对代表您提出的
每一个原始起源声明持怀疑态度

为什么不拒绝
那些要求你归属的身份神话

,政治家和社区领袖,

所谓的社区领袖,

施加在你身上?

如果我们不需要起源故事
和固定身份,

我们可以挑战自己
,创造性地

思考彼此和我们的未来。

在这里,文化
总是照顾自己。

我不担心文化。

文化是创造性的、动态的过程,

而不是强加的法律和界限。

这是阿布·瓦利德·穆罕默德
·伊本·艾哈迈德·伊本·拉什德,12 世纪科尔多瓦

一位非常资深的穆斯林法官和思想家

,他的著作被认为是
极度亵渎神明、异端和邪恶的。

在他死后很久

,他作品的追随者
被中世纪最强大的宗教机构无情地追捕、

流放和杀害了几个世纪

那个机构
就是罗马天主教会。

为什么?

因为 ibn Rushd
说过,宗教中的真实

事物可能与

你的理性
认为在地球上真实的事物相冲突,

但后者仍然是真实的。

真理有两个截然不同的世界,

一个基于我们的理性和证据
,一个是神圣的

,国家、政治权力、社会法律
都在理性的范围内。

宗教生活是一个不同的境界。

他们应该分开。

社会和政治生活
应该由我们的理性支配,

而不是由宗教支配。

你可以看到为什么教会
对他的著作感到不安,

就像他一生中的一些穆斯林一样

因为他给了我们
一种强烈的世俗主义声明,这种世俗

主义在今天的欧洲很正常。

现在,历史对我们开了很多花招。

它破坏了我们固定的真理

以及我们
认为是我们的文化和他们的文化的东西。

伊本·拉什德(Ibn Rushd
)恰好是一名穆斯林,

被认为是世俗主义

在欧洲引入和传播
的关键影响之一。

所以反对各种宗教、民族主义
和种族纯粹主义者,

你能不能把他的故事变成你自己的一部分,

不是因为他碰巧是穆斯林,

不是因为他碰巧是阿拉伯人,

而是因为他是一个有一些人的人

非常好的

想法震撼了他

和我们的世界。

谢谢你。

(掌声)