How I found a mythical boiling river in the Amazon Andrs Ruzo

As a boy in Lima,

my grandfather told me a legend

of the Spanish conquest of Peru.

Atahualpa, emperor of the Inca,
had been captured and killed.

Pizarro and his conquistadors
had grown rich,

and tales of their conquest
and glory had reached Spain

and was bringing new waves of Spaniards,
hungry for gold and glory.

They would go into towns and ask the Inca,

“Where’s another civilization
we can conquer? Where’s more gold?”

And the Inca, out of vengeance, told them,

“Go to the Amazon.

You’ll find all the gold you want there.

In fact, there is a city called Paititi –
El Dorado in Spanish –

made entirely of gold.”

The Spanish set off into the jungle,

but the few that return
come back with stories,

stories of powerful shamans,

of warriors with poisoned arrows,

of trees so tall they blotted out the sun,

spiders that ate birds,
snakes that swallowed men whole

and a river that boiled.

All this became a childhood memory.

And years passed.

I’m working on my PhD at SMU,

trying to understand
Peru’s geothermal energy potential,

when I remember this legend,

and I began asking that question.

Could the boiling river exist?

I asked colleagues from universities,

the government,

oil, gas and mining companies,

and the answer was a unanimous no.

And this makes sense.

You see, boiling rivers
do exist in the world,

but they’re generally
associated with volcanoes.

You need a powerful heat source

to produce such a large
geothermal manifestation.

And as you can see from the red dots
here, which are volcanoes,

we don’t have volcanoes in the Amazon,

nor in most of Peru.

So it follows: We should not expect
to see a boiling river.

Telling this same story
at a family dinner,

my aunt tells me,

“But no, Andrés, I’ve been there.
I’ve swum in that river.”

(Laughter)

Then my uncle jumps in.

“No, Andrés, she’s not kidding.

You see, you can only swim in it
after a very heavy rain,

and it’s protected by a powerful shaman.

Your aunt, she’s friends with his wife.”

(Laughter)

“¿Cómo?” [“Huh?"]

You know, despite all
my scientific skepticism,

I found myself hiking into the jungle,
guided by my aunt,

over 700 kilometers away
from the nearest volcanic center,

and well, honestly,
mentally preparing myself

to behold the legendary
“warm stream of the Amazon.”

But then …

I heard something,

a low surge

that got louder and louder

as we came closer.

It sounded like ocean waves
constantly crashing,

and as we got closer, I saw smoke, vapor,
coming up through the trees.

And then, I saw this.

I immediately grabbed for my thermometer,

and the average temperatures in the river

were 86 degrees C.

This is not quite
the 100-degree C boiling

but definitely close enough.

The river flowed hot and fast.

I followed it upriver and was led by,
actually, the shaman’s apprentice

to the most sacred site on the river.

And this is what’s bizarre –

It starts off as a cold stream.

And here, at this site,

is the home of the Yacumama,

mother of the waters,
a giant serpent spirit

who births hot and cold water.

And here we find a hot spring,

mixing with cold stream water
underneath her protective motherly jaws

and thus bringing their legends to life.

The next morning, I woke up and –

(Laughter)

I asked for tea.

I was handed a mug, a tea bag

and, well, pointed towards the river.

To my surprise, the water was clean
and had a pleasant taste,

which is a little weird
for geothermal systems.

What was amazing

is that the locals had always
known about this place,

and that I was by no means
the first outsider to see it.

It was just part of their everyday life.

They drink its water.

They take in its vapor.

They cook with it,

clean with it,

even make their medicines with it.

I met the shaman,

and he seemed like an extension
of the river and his jungle.

He asked for my intentions

and listened carefully.

Then, to my tremendous relief –

I was freaking out,
to be honest with you –

a smile began to snake across his face,
and he just laughed.

(Laughter)

I had received the shaman’s blessing
to study the river,

on the condition that after I take
the water samples

and analyze them in my lab,

wherever I was in the world,

that I pour the waters
back into the ground

so that, as the shaman said,

the waters could find their way back home.

I’ve been back every year
since that first visit in 2011,

and the fieldwork has been exhilarating,

demanding and at times dangerous.

One story was even featured
in National Geographic Magazine.

I was trapped on a small rock
about the size of a sheet of paper

in sandals and board shorts,

in between an 80 degree C river

and a hot spring that, well,
looked like this, close to boiling.

And on top of that,
it was Amazon rain forest.

Pshh, pouring rain, couldn’t see a thing.

The temperature differential
made it all white. It was a whiteout.

Intense.

Now, after years of work,

I’ll soon be submitting my geophysical
and geochemical studies for publication.

And I’d like to share, today,
with all of you here, on the TED stage,

for the first time,
some of these discoveries.

Well, first off, it’s not a legend.

Surprise!

(Laughter)

When I first started the research,

the satellite imagery was too
low-resolution to be meaningful.

There were just no good maps.

Thanks to the support
of the Google Earth team,

I now have this.

Not only that, the indigenous name
of the river, Shanay-timpishka,

“boiled with the heat of the sun,”

indicating that I’m not the first
to wonder why the river boils,

and showing that humanity
has always sought to explain

the world around us.

So why does the river boil?

(Bubbling sounds)

It actually took me three years
to get that footage.

Fault-fed hot springs.

As we have hot blood running
through our veins and arteries,

so, too, the earth has hot water
running through its cracks and faults.

Where these arteries come to the surface,
these earth arteries,

we’ll get geothermal manifestations:

fumaroles, hot springs
and in our case, the boiling river.

What’s truly incredible, though,
is the scale of this place.

Next time you cross the road,
think about this.

The river flows wider than a two-lane road

along most of its path.

It flows hot for 6.24 kilometers.

Truly impressive.

There are thermal pools
larger than this TED stage,

and that waterfall that you see there

is six meters tall –

and all with near-boiling water.

We mapped the temperatures
along the river,

and this was by far the most
demanding part of the fieldwork.

And the results were just awesome.

Sorry – the geoscientist
in me coming out.

And it showed this amazing trend.

You see, the river starts off cold.

It then heats up, cools back down,
heats up, cools back down,

heats up again, and then has
this beautiful decay curve

until it smashes into this cold river.

Now, I understand not all of you
are geothermal scientists,

so to put it in more everyday terms:

Everyone loves coffee.

Yes? Good.

Your regular cup of coffee, 54 degrees C,

an extra-hot one, well, 60.

So, put in coffee shop terms,

the boiling river plots like this.

There you have your hot coffee.

Here you have your extra-hot coffee,

and you can see
that there’s a bit point there

where the river is still hotter
than even the extra-hot coffee.

And these are average water temperatures.

We took these in the dry season to ensure
the purest geothermal temperatures.

But there’s a magic number here
that’s not being shown,

and that number is 47 degrees C,

because that’s where things start to hurt,

and I know this from very
personal experience.

Above that temperature,
you don’t want to get in that water.

You need to be careful.

It can be deadly.

I’ve seen all sorts of animals fall in,

and what’s shocking to me,
is the process is pretty much the same.

So they fall in and the first thing
to go are the eyes.

Eyes, apparently, cook very quickly.
They turn this milky-white color.

The stream is carrying them.

They’re trying to swim out,
but their meat is cooking on the bone

because it’s so hot.

So they’re losing power, losing power,

until finally they get to a point
where hot water goes into their mouths

and they cook from the inside out.

(Laughter)

A bit sadistic, aren’t we?

Jeez.

Leave them marinating for a little longer.

What’s, again, amazing
are these temperatures.

They’re similar to things that I’ve seen
on volcanoes all over the world

and even super-volcanoes like Yellowstone.

But here’s the thing:

the data is showing
that the boiling river exists

independent of volcanism.

It’s neither magmatic
or volcanic in origin,

and again, over 700 kilometers away
from the nearest volcanic center.

How can a boiling river exist like this?

I’ve asked geothermal experts
and volcanologists for years,

and I’m still unable to find another
non-volcanic geothermal system

of this magnitude.

It’s unique.

It’s special on a global scale.

So, still – how does it work?

Where do we get this heat?

There’s still more research to be done

to better constrain the problem
and better understand the system,

but from what the data is telling us now,

it looks to be the result
of a large hydrothermal system.

Basically, it works like this:

So, the deeper you go
into the earth, the hotter it gets.

We refer to this
as the geothermal gradient.

The waters could be coming
from as far away as glaciers in the Andes,

then seeping down deep into the earth

and coming out to form the boiling river

after getting heated up
from the geothermal gradient,

all due to this unique geologic setting.

Now, we found
that in and around the river –

this is working with colleagues

from National Geographic,
Dr. Spencer Wells,

and Dr. Jon Eisen from UC Davis –

we genetically sequenced
the extremophile lifeforms

living in and around the river,
and have found new lifeforms,

unique species living
in the boiling river.

But again, despite all of these studies,
all of these discoveries and the legends,

a question remains:

What is the significance
of the boiling river?

What is the significance
of this stationary cloud

that always hovers
over this patch of jungle?

And what is the significance

of a detail in a childhood legend?

To the shaman and his community,
it’s a sacred site.

To me, as a geoscientist,

it’s a unique geothermal phenomenon.

But to the illegal loggers
and cattle farmers,

it’s just another resource to exploit.

And to the Peruvian government,
it’s just another stretch

of unprotected land ready for development.

My goal is to ensure
that whoever controls this land

understands the boiling river’s
uniqueness and significance.

Because that’s the question,

one of significance.

And the thing there is,

we define significance.

It’s us. We have that power.

We are the ones who draw that line

between the sacred and the trivial.

And in this age,

where everything seems mapped,
measured and studied,

in this age of information,

I remind you all that discoveries
are not just made

in the black void of the unknown

but in the white noise
of overwhelming data.

There remains so much to explore.

We live in an incredible world.

So go out.

Be curious.

Because we do live in a world

where shamans still sing
to the spirits of the jungle,

where rivers do boil

and where legends do come to life.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

小时候在利马的时候,

祖父告诉我一个

西班牙征服秘鲁的传说。

印加皇帝阿塔瓦尔帕
被俘并杀害。

皮萨罗和他的征服者
变得富有,

他们征服
和荣耀的故事传到了西班牙

,并带来了新的西班牙人浪潮,他们
渴望黄金和荣耀。

他们会进城问印加人:


我们可以征服的另一个文明在哪里?哪里有更多的黄金?”

印加人出于报复对他们说:

“去亚马逊

吧。在那里你会找到你想要的所有黄金。

事实上,有一个城市叫 Paititi -
西班牙语中的 El Dorado -

完全由黄金制成。 "

西班牙人出发进入丛林,

但少数
回来的人带着故事回来了,

关于强大的萨满巫师的故事,

关于携带毒箭的战士的故事,

关于大树遮天蔽日的故事,

吃鸟的蜘蛛
,吞下整个人的蛇

和 沸腾的河流。

这一切都成为了童年的记忆。

几年过去了。

我正在 SMU 攻读博士学位,

试图了解
秘鲁的地热能源潜力,

当我想起这个传说时

,我开始问这个问题。

沸腾的河流会存在吗?

我问过大学

、政府、

石油、天然气和矿业公司的同事

,答案都是否定的。

这是有道理的。

你看,
世界上确实存在沸腾的河流,

但它们通常
与火山有关。

你需要一个强大的热源

来产生如此大的
地热表现。

正如你可以从这里的红点
看到的那样,它们是火山,

我们在亚马逊地区没有火山,

在秘鲁的大部分地区也没有。

所以它是:我们不应该
期望看到一条沸腾的河流。

在一次家庭聚餐中,

我的姑姑告诉我同样的故事,

“但是没有,安德烈斯,我去过那里。
我在那条河里游泳过。”

(笑声)

然后我的叔叔跳了进来。

“不,安德烈斯,她不是在开玩笑。

你看,你只能在大雨之后才能在里面游泳

而且它有强大的萨满保护。

你的阿姨,她和他的妻子是朋友。 "

(笑声)

“¿Cómo?” [“嗯?”]

你知道,尽管
我对科学持怀疑态度,但

我发现自己在
阿姨的带领下徒步进入丛林,

距离最近的火山中心有 700 多公里,

而且,老实说,
我已经做好心理准备,让

自己看到传说中的
“亚马逊温暖的溪流。”

但是后来……

我听到了一些

声音,随着我们越来越近,声音越来越大

听起来像是海浪
不断地撞击

,当我们靠近时,我看到烟雾,蒸汽,
从树上冒出来。

然后,我看到了这个。

我立即拿起温度计

,河里的平均温度

是 86 摄氏度。


不是 100 摄氏度的沸腾,

但绝对足够接近。

河水又热又快。

我跟着它上了河,
实际上是由萨满的学徒领着

到河上最神圣的地方。

这就是奇怪的地方——

一开始是一股冷流。

在这里,在这个地方,

是 Yacumama 的家,水之

母,
一个巨大的蛇神

,生出热水和冷水。

在这里,我们发现了一个温泉,

在她保护性的母性下颚下

与寒冷的溪水混合,从而使他们的传说栩栩如生。

第二天早上,我醒来——

(笑声)

我要茶。

有人递给我一个杯子,一个茶包

,然后指着河。

令我惊讶的是,水很干净
,味道很好,


对于地热系统来说有点奇怪。

令人惊奇的

是,当地人一直都
知道这个地方,

而且我绝不
是第一个看到它的外人。

这只是他们日常生活的一部分。

他们喝它的水。

他们吸收了它的蒸汽。

他们用它做饭,

用它清洁,

甚至用它做药。

我遇到了萨满

,他似乎
是河流和丛林的延伸。

他询问我的意图

并仔细聆听。

然后,让我如释重负——

说实话,我吓坏了——

他的脸上开始浮现笑容
,他只是笑了。

(笑声)

我得到了萨满的祝福
来研究河流

,条件

是我在实验室里采集水样并分析它们之后,

无论我在世界上的任何地方

,我都将水
倒回地下,

这样, 正如萨满所说

,水可以找到回家的路。

自 2011 年第一次访问以来,我每年都回来

,实地工作一直令人振奋,

要求很高,有时还很危险。

一个故事甚至出现
在《国家地理》杂志上。

我穿着凉鞋和短裤,被困在
一张纸大小的

小石头上,

在 80 摄氏度的河流

和温泉之间,嗯,
看起来像这样,接近沸腾。

最重要的是,
它是亚马逊雨林。

嘘,倾盆大雨,什么也看不见。

温差
使它变白了。 这是一个白色的。

激烈的。

现在,经过多年的工作,

我很快将提交我的地球物理
和地球化学研究以供发表。

今天,我想
在 TED 舞台上与大家分享

其中的一些发现。

嗯,首先,这不是传说。

惊喜!

(笑声)

当我刚开始研究时

,卫星图像
的分辨率太低,没有意义。

只是没有好的地图。

感谢
Google 地球团队的支持,

我现在有了这个。

不仅如此,这
条河的土著名称 Shanay-timpishka

“被太阳的热量煮沸”,

表明我不是第一个
想知道为什么河流会沸腾的人,

并表明人类
一直试图

解释 我们周围的世界。

那么为什么河水会沸腾呢?

(冒泡的声音

)实际上我花了三年
时间才拍到那个镜头。

断层温泉。

正如
我们的静脉和动脉

有热血一样,
地球的裂缝和断层也有热水。

在这些动脉到达地表的地方,
这些地球动脉,

我们会看到地热现象:

喷气孔、温泉
,在我们的例子中,还有沸腾的河流。

然而,真正令人难以置信的
是这个地方的规模。

下次你过马路的时候,
想想这个。

这条河沿其大部分路径流动比两条车道的道路更宽

它热流6.24公里。

真是令人印象深刻。


比这个 TED 舞台更大的温泉池

,你看到的那个瀑布

有 6 米高——

而且所有的水都接近沸腾。

我们绘制了沿河的温度图

,这是迄今为止
实地工作中要求最高的部分。

结果真是太棒了。

对不起——我内心的地球科学家
出来了。

它显示了这种惊人的趋势。

你看,河水开始变冷了。

然后它升温,
降温,升温,降温,

再次升温,然后呈现
出美丽的衰减曲线,

直到撞入这条冰冷的河流。

现在,我知道你们不是所有人
都是地热科学家,

所以用更日常的术语来说:

每个人都喜欢咖啡。

是的? 好的。

你的普通咖啡,54 摄氏度

,超热的,嗯,60 度。

所以,用咖啡店的术语来说

,沸腾的河流是这样的。

那里有你的热咖啡。

在这里你有你的特热咖啡

,你可以
看到那里有一点

河水
甚至比特热咖啡还要热。

这些是平均水温。

我们在旱季采取了这些措施,以确保
最纯净的地热温度。

但是这里有一个没有显示的神奇数字

,这个数字是 47 摄氏度,

因为这是事情开始受到伤害的地方

,我从非常
个人的经验中知道这一点。

超过那个温度,
你不想进入那个水里。

你需要小心。

它可能是致命的。

我见过各种各样的动物掉进去

,令我震惊的
是,过程几乎相同。

所以他们掉进去了,首先
要去的是眼睛。

眼睛,显然,煮得很快。
他们把这种乳白色的颜色。

溪流载着他们。

他们想游出去,但因为太热了,
他们的肉在骨头上煮着

所以他们正在失去力量,失去力量,

直到最后他们到达一个点
,热水进入他们的嘴里

,他们从里到外做饭。

(笑声

) 有点虐待狂,不是吗?

天哪。

让它们腌制一段时间。

这些温度再次令人
惊叹。

它们类似于我
在世界各地

的火山甚至黄石等超级火山上看到的东西。

但事情

是这样的:数据表明
,沸腾的河流

独立于火山活动而存在。

它既不是岩浆,
也不是火山,

而且距离最近的火山中心有 700 多公里

一条沸腾的河流怎么会这样存在? 多年来,

我一直在询问地热专家
和火山学家,

但我仍然无法找到另一个如此规模的
非火山地热

系统。

它是独一无二的。

它在全球范围内很特别。

所以,仍然 - 它是如何工作的?

我们从哪里得到这些热量?

为了更好地约束问题
和更好地理解系统,还有更多的研究要做,

但从现在的数据告诉我们,

它看起来
是一个大型热液系统的结果。

基本上,它是这样工作的:

所以,你越
深入地球,它就会变得越热。

我们将其
称为地热梯度。

由于这种独特的地质环境,水可能
来自远至安第斯山脉的冰川,

然后渗入地球深处

,在地温梯度升温后流出形成沸腾的河流

现在,我们
发现在河流及其周围——

这是

与国家地理的同事、
Spencer Wells

博士和加州大学戴维斯分校的 Jon Eisen 博士合作——

我们
对生活在河流内外的极端微生物生命形式进行了基因测序


并且 在沸腾的河流中发现了新的生命形式,

独特的物种

但同样,尽管有所有这些研究、
所有这些发现和传说,

一个问题仍然存在:

沸腾的河流有什么意义?

这片始终盘旋在这片丛林上空的静止云有什么意义?

童年传奇中的一个细节有什么意义?

对于萨满和他的社区来说,
这是一个圣地。

对我来说,作为一名地球科学家,

这是一种独特的地热现象。

但对于非法伐木者
和养牛户来说,

这只是另一种可利用的资源。

而对于秘鲁政府来说,
这只是

一块准备开发的未受保护的土地。

我的目标是
确保控制这片土地的人

了解沸腾河流的
独特性和意义。

因为这是一个问题,

一个重要的问题。

事情就是这样,

我们定义了重要性。

是我们。 我们有这个权力。

我们是在

神圣与琐碎之间划清界限的人。

在这个

一切似乎都被绘制、
测量和研究的

时代,在这个信息时代,

我提醒大家,
发现不仅是

在未知的黑色虚空中,

而且是在压倒性数据的白噪声
中。

还有很多东西需要探索。

我们生活在一个不可思议的世界。

所以出去吧。

保持好奇心。

因为我们确实生活在一个

巫师仍然
为丛林之灵歌唱的世界,

那里的河流确实在沸腾

,传说确实在此生机勃勃。

非常感谢你。

(掌声)