Lets transform energy with natural gas T. Boone Pickens

I’m a believer I’m a believer in global

warming and my record is good on the

subject but my subject is national

security we have to get off of oil

purchase from the enemy I’m talking

about OPEC oil and let me take you back

a hundred years to 1912 you’re probably

thinking that was my birth year it

wasn’t it was nineteen twenty-eight but

go back to nineteen twelve hundred years

ago and look at that point what we our

country was faced with it’s the same

energy question that you’re looking at

today but it’s different sources of fuel

a hundred years ago we were looking at

Cole of course and we were looking at

play loyal and we were looking at crude

oil at that point we were looking for a

fuel that was cleaner it was cheaper and

it wasn’t ours though it was theirs so

at that point 1912 we selected crude oil

over whale oil and some more cold but as

we moved on to the period now 100 years

later we’re back really at another

decision point what is the decision

point it’s what we’re going to use in

the future so from here it’s pretty

clear to me we would prefer to have

cleaner cheaper domestic hours and we

have that we have that which is natural

gas so here you are that the cost of all

this to the world is 89 million barrels

of oil give or take a few barrels every

day and the costs annually is three

trillion dollars and

1,000,000,000,000 of that goes to OPEC

that has got to be stopped now if you

look at the cost of OPEC it cost seven

trillion dollars on the Milken Institute

study last year 7 trillion dollars since

1976 is what we’ve paid for oil from

OPEC now that includes the cost of

military and the cost of the fuel boat

but it’s the greatest transfer of wealth

the greatest transfer wealth from one

group to another in the history of

mankind and it continues now when you

look at where is the transfer of wealth

you can see here that we have the era’s

going into the Mideast and away from us

and with that we have found ourselves to

be the world’s policeman we are policing

the world and how are we doing that

there I I know the response to this i

would bet there are ten percent of you

in the room that know how many aircraft

carriers there are in the world raise

your hand if you think you know they’re

12 one is under construction by the

Chinese and the other 11 belong to us

why do we have 11 aircraft carriers do

we have a corner on the market are we

smarter than anybody else I’m not sure

if you look at where they’re located and

on this slide it’s the red blobs on

their their five that are operating in

the Mideast and the rest of them are in

the United States they just moved back

to the Mideast and those come back so

it’s actually the most of the 11 we have

are tied up in the Mideast why why are

they in the Mideast they’re there to

control keep the shipping lanes open and

make oil available in the United States

uses about 20 million barrels a day

which is about twenty-five percent of

all the oil

used every day in the world and we’re

doing it with four percent of the

population somehow that doesn’t seem

right that’s not sustainable so where do

we go from here does that continue yes

it’s going to continue the slide you’re

looking at here is 1992 2040 over that

period you are going to double your

demand and when you look at what we’re

using the oil for seventy percent of it

is used for transportation fuel so when

somebody says let’s go more nuclear

let’s go wind let’s go solar fine I’m

for anything American anything American

but if you’re going to do anything about

the dependency on foreign oil you have

to address transportation so here we are

using 20 million barrels a day producing

eight importing 12 and from the 12 5

comes from the comes from OPEC when you

look at the biggest user the second

largest user we use 20 million barrels

and the Chinese use 10 the Chinese have

a little bit better plan or they have a

plan we have no plan in the history of

America we’ve never had an energy plan

we don’t even realize the resources that

we have available to us if you take the

last 10 years and bring forward you

transferred to OPEC a trillion dollars

if you go forward the next 10 years and

kept the price of oil at a hundred

dollars a barrel you will pay two point

two trillion that’s not sustainable

either but today’s of cheap oil are over

there over that they they make it very

clear to you the Saudis do they have to

have ninety four dollars a barrel to

make their social commitments now I have

people that have people in Washington

last week told me said the Saudis can

produce the all four five dollar sparrow

that has nothing to do with it it’s what

they have to pay for is what we are

going to pay for all there is no free

market for oil they’ll all is priced off

the margin and the OPEC nations are the

ones that pricey so where are we headed

from here we’re headed to natural gas

natural gas will do everything we want

it to do it’s a hundred and thirty

octane fuel its twenty five percent

cleaner than oil it’s ours we have an

abundance of it and it does not require

refinery it comes out of the ground at

130 octane run it to the separator and

you’re ready to use it it’s going to be

very simple for us to use it’s going to

be simple to accomplish this you’re

going to find and i’ll tell you in just

a minute what you’re looking for to make

it happen but here you can look at the

list natural gas will fit all of those

it will replace or be able to be used

for that it’s for power generation

transportation speaking fuel it’s

although do we have enough natural gas

look at the bar on the left is 24

trillion is what we use a year and go

forward and the estimates that you have

from the EIA and on to the industry

estimates the industry knows what

they’re talking about we’ve got four

thousand trillion cubic feet of natural

gas that’s available to us how does that

translate to barrels of oil equivalent

it would be three times what the Saudis

claim they have and they claim they have

250 billion barrels off which I do not

believe I think it’s probably a hundred

and seventy five billion barrels but

anyway whether they say they’re right or

whatever we have plenty of natural gas

so I have tried to target on where we

use the natural gas and where I’ve

targeted is on the heavy-duty trucks

there are eight million of them you take

eight million trucks in you know these

are 18 wheelers and take them to natural

gas reduce carbon by thirty percent it

is cheaper and it will cut our imports

three million barrels so you will cut

sixty percent off of OPEC with eight

million trucks there are 250 million

vehicles in America so what you have is

natural gas is the bridge fuel is the

way I see it I don’t have to worry about

the bridge to wear at my age that’s your

concern but when you look at the natural

gas we have it could very well be the

bridge to natural gas because you have

plenty of natural gas but as I said I’m

for anything American now let me take

you I’ve been a realist i went from

theorists early to realist i’m back the

theorists again if you look at the world

you have methane hydrates in the ocean

around every continent and here you can

see methane if that’s the way you’re

going to go that there’s plenty of

methane natural gas is methane natural

gas are interchangeable but if you

decide that you’re going to use the

methane now I’m gone so it’s up to you

but we do have plenty of methane

hydrates so I think I’ve made my point

that that we have to get on our own

resources in America if we do we can cut

out we’re it’s costing us a billion

dollars a day for oil and it we have no

energy plan so there’s there’s nothing

going on that that impresses me in

Washington on that plan other than I’m

trying to focus on that eight million

18-wheelers if we could do that I think

we would take our first step to an

energy plan if we did we could see that

our own resources are easier to use and

anybody can imagine thank you

thank you thanks for that so can be open

with you you had this great you know

Pickens plan that was based on wind

energy and you abandoned it basically

because the economics changed what

happened I lost 150 million dollars

that’ll make and that was a man in so

they know what happened to his chris is

it that power is it’s it’s priced off

the margin and so the margin is natural

gas and at the time i went into the wind

business natural gas was nine dollars

today it’s two dollars and forty cents

you cannot do a wind deal under six

dollars and mcf so what happened was

that we through increased ability to use

fracking technology the calculated

reserves of natural gas kind of exploded

and the price plummeted which which made

wind and uncompetitive in a nutshell

that’s what happened that’s that’s what

happened we found out that we could go

to the source rock which were the

carboniferous shales in the basin’s

first one is barnett shale and texas and

then the Marcellus up in the northeast

across New York Pennsylvania West

Virginia haynesville and Louisiana this

stuff is everywhere we are overwhelmed

with natural gas and now you’re a big

investor in in that in bringing that to

my well you say a big investor it’s my

life I’m a geologist got out school in

51 and I’ve been in the industry my

entire life now i do have own stocks

that i’m not a big natural gas producer

somebody the other day said i was second

largest natural gas producer in the

united states don’t I wish but no I’m

not I own stocks but I also AM in the

fueling business but natural gas is a

fossil fuel you burn it you release co2

so you said you believed in the threat

of climate change why doesn’t that

prospect concern you well you’re going

to have to use something

what do you have to replace it well the

issue yeah no no the argument that it’s

a bridge fuel makes sense because the

the amount of co2 per unit of energy is

lower than oil and coal correct and so

everyone can be at least happy to see a

shift from coal or oil to natural gas

but but if that if that’s it and and

that becomes the reason that renewables

don’t get invested in then long-term was

screwed anyway right well I’m not ready

to give up Jim and I talked ther is as

he left and and I said how do you feel

about natural gas and he said well it’s

a bridge fuel is what it is and I said

bridge to what where are we headed see

but again I told you I don’t have to

worry with that you won’t I don’t think

that’s right then i think i think you

you’re a person who believes in your

legacy you’ve you’ve made the money you

need you’re one of the few people in a

position to really swing the debate I

mean do you support the idea of some

kind of carbon some kind of price on

carbon does that make sense I don’t like

that because it ends up the government

is going to run the program and i can

tell you it’ll be a failure the

government is not successful on on these

on these things they just started I mean

there it’s a bad deal look at that’s

what cilinder or whatever it was I mean

that was told to be a bad idea ten times

they went ahead and did it anyway and

that but then only blew out 500 million

i think it’s closer to a beating but but

Chris I think where we headed I mean the

long term I don’t mind going back to

nuclear and I can tell you what the last

page of the report that will take them 5

years to write will be 1 don’t build a

reformer on a fault

at number 12 do not build a reformer on

the ocean and now I think reformers are

safe move them inland and on very stable

you know ground and build the Reformers

there anything wrong with you you’re

going to have to have energy there is no

question you can’t okay so one of the

questions from the audience’s is with

with fracking in the natural gas process

what about the problem of methane

leaking from that methane being a worse

global warming gas than co2 does that is

that a concern fracking yeah what is

Frankie fracking I’m teasing we’ve got a

little bit of accent incompatibility

here you know let me tell you I told you

what my age wise i got our school 51 I

witnessed my first frack job at Borger

Texas in 1953 fracking came out in 47

and don’t believe for a minute when when

our president gets up there and says a

Department of Energy 30 years ago

developed fracking I don’t know what any

hell he’s talking about I mean seriously

the apartment energy did not have

anything to do with fracking it was the

first track job is in 40 said my saw my

first 153 I pract over 3000 wells in my

life never had a problem with messing up

an aquifer or anything else now the

largest aquifer in North America is from

Midland Texas to the South Dakota border

across eight states big aquifer Ogallala

Triassic age I there been a eight

hundred thousand wells frack in Oklahoma

Texas Kansas in that aquifer either

there’s no problems I don’t understand

why the media is focused on eastern

Pennsylvania alright so you don’t

support a carbon tax of any kind or a

price on carbon your picture that I

guess as how the world eventually gets

off fossil fuels is through through

innovation ultimate

to that will someday make solar and

nuclear well sold us competitive solar

and wind Jim and I agreed on that in 13

seconds that is going to be a small part

because you can’t rely on it so how how

does the book at off how to kill you’re

going to use we have so much natural gas

a day will not come where you say well

let’s don’t use that anymore you’ll keep

using it it is the cleanest of all and

if you look at California they use 2500

buses la MTA have been on natural gas

for 25 years the Fort Worth tea has been

on for 25 years why air quality was the

reason they use natural gas and got away

from diesel why are all the trash trucks

today in Southern California on natural

gas is because the air quality I know

what you’re telling me and I’m not

disagreeing with my on the hell can we

get off the natural gas at some point

and I say that is your problem

alright so it’s the bridge fuel what is

that the other end of that bridge is for

this audience that you’re out if someone

comes to you with the plan that really

looks like it might be part of the

solution are you ready to invest in

those technologies even if they aren’t

maximize profits they might be maximized

for the future health of the planet I

lost 150 million on the wind okay yeah

sure I’m game for it because I you know

again I’m trying to get energy solved

for America and it anything American

will work for me but I really really

appreciate you coming here engaging in

this conversation I think there’s a lot

of people want to engage with you and

that that was a real gift you gave this

audience thank you so much you bet thank

you

我是一个信徒 我是全球变暖的信徒

,我在这方面的记录很好,

但我的主题是国家

安全,我们必须摆脱

从敌人那里购买石油我说

的是欧佩克石油,让我带你去

回到一百年前到 1912 年,你可能

认为那是我的出生年份

,不是 1928 而是

回到 19200

年前,看看那个时候我们

国家面临的情况是一样的

你今天看到的能源问题,

但它是一百年前不同的燃料来源,

我们当然在看

科尔,我们正在

寻找忠诚,我们当时正在寻找

原油,我们正在寻找一种

燃料 更清洁,更便宜,

虽然是他们的,但不是我们的,所以

在 1912 年,我们选择原油

而不是鲸油,而且更冷一些,但是当

我们进入 100 年后的那个时期时,

我们真的回到了另一个时期

决策点 决策点是

什么 我们将在未来使用什么,

所以从这里开始

,我很清楚,我们更愿意拥有

更清洁、更便宜的国内时间,

而且我们拥有

天然气,所以在这里你就是所有这一切的成本

世界是 8900

万桶石油,每天消耗或消耗几桶石油

,每年的成本是 3

万亿美元,其中

1,000,000,000,000 美元流向欧佩克

,如果你

看看欧佩克的成本,它现在必须停止,它花费了 7

万亿美元 根据米尔肯研究所

去年的研究,自

1976 年以来,我们从 OPEC 购买石油的金额为 7 万亿美元,

现在包括

军事成本和燃料船的成本,

但这是最大的

财富转移 来自一个集团的最大财富转移

到人类历史上的另一个

,现在它仍在继续,当您

查看财富转移在哪里时,

您可以在这里看到,我们的时代

正在进入中东并远离我们

,并且我们已经找到了自己 为了

成为世界警察,我们正在维护

世界,我们是如何做到的

,我知道对此的回应

你以为你知道他们是

12 一艘正在由

中国人建造,另外 11 艘属于我们

为什么我们有 11 艘航空母舰

我们在市场上有一个角落 我们是否

比其他人更聪明 我不确定

你是否 看看他们所在的位置,

在这张幻灯片上,

他们五

个人身上的红色斑点在中东运营,其余

的在美国,他们刚

搬回中东,那些又回来了,

所以实际上是 我们拥有的 11 个人中的大多数

都被困在中东 为什么

他们在中东 他们在那里

控制 保持航道畅通并

在美国提供

石油 每天使用大约 2000 万桶石油,大约是

20- 百分之五

世界上每天使用的石油,我们

正在与 4% 的人口一起做这件事,

这似乎

不对,这是不可持续的,所以

我们从这里去哪里继续下去是的,

它会继续下滑,你是

看这里是 1992 年 2040 年,在此

期间,您的需求将翻倍

,当您查看我们

使用石油的 70

% 用于运输燃料时

go solar fine 我

支持任何美国的任何美国的东西,

但如果你要对

依赖外国石油做任何事情,你

必须解决运输问题,所以我们

每天使用 2000 万桶生产

8 个进口 12 和 12 个 5

来自 来自欧佩克 当你

看到最大的用户 第二

大用户 我们使用 2000 万桶

而中国人使用 10 中国人

有更好的计划或者他们有

计划 我们历史上没有计划 在

美国,我们从来没有制定过能源计划,

我们甚至没有意识到

如果你在

过去 10 年中可以使用的资源,

如果你在接下来的 10 年中向前推进,你会向欧佩克转移一万亿美元,并且

将石油价格保持在每桶 100

美元,您将支付 2 点

2 万亿美元,这也是不可持续的

,但今天的廉价石油就在

那里,他们让您非常

清楚沙特人是否必须

拥有 94 美元 一个桶来

做出他们的社会承诺现在我

有一些人上周在华盛顿

有人告诉我说沙特人可以

生产所有四只五美元的麻雀

与之无关这是

他们必须付出的代价就是我们

要去的 支付所有费用 没有自由

的石油市场,它们的价格都会

超出边际价格,而欧佩克国家

的价格昂贵,所以我们

从这里走向何方,我们将走向天然气,

天然气将做我们想做的一切

它是 130

辛烷值燃料 它

比石油清洁 25% 它是我们的 我们拥有

丰富的燃料而且它不需要

精炼厂 它以 130 辛烷值从地下出来

运行到分离器

准备好使用它对我们来说将

非常简单使用它将

很简单实现这一点你

会找到我会在

一分钟内告诉你你正在寻找什么

来实现它但是在这里 您可以查看

列表天然气将适合所有

它将取代或能够

用于发电的

运输燃料

虽然我们有足够的天然气

看左边的栏是 24

万亿是 我们一年的使用量以及

未来的估计以及您

从 EIA 和行业获得的

估计 行业知道

他们在说什么 我们有

4000 万亿立方英尺的

天然气可供我们使用 如何

转化为桶 石油当量

这将是沙特

声称他们拥有的三倍,他们声称他们减少了

2500 亿桶,我不

相信我认为这可能是

1750 亿桶,但

不管他们说他们是对的还是

我们说什么 有充足的天然气,

所以我试图瞄准我们

使用天然气的地方,我的

目标是重型卡车,

其中有

800 万辆卡车,你需要 800 万辆卡车,你知道这些

是 18 辆轮车和 把它们带到

天然气 减少 30% 的碳排放 它

更便宜,它会减少我们 300 万桶的进口量,

所以你将削减

60% 的石油输出国组织,拥有 800

万辆卡车,美国有 2.5 亿

辆汽车,所以你所拥有的是

天然气 桥梁燃料是

我看到的方式我不必担心

在我这个年纪佩戴桥梁这是您

关心的问题,但是当您查看

我们拥有的天然气时,它很可能是

通往天然气的桥梁 b 因为你有

足够的天然气,但正如我所说,我

支持任何美国人,现在让我

带你去吧 每个大陆周围的海洋中都有甲烷水合物,在

这里你可以

看到甲烷,如果这是你要去的方式

,那里有大量的

甲烷天然气是甲烷

天然气是可以互换的,但如果你

决定你要使用

甲烷 现在我走了,所以这取决于你,

但我们确实有大量的甲烷

水合物,所以我想我已经表达了我的观点

,如果我们这样做,我们必须在美国利用我们自己的

资源,我们可以

切断我们是它的 每天花费我们 10 亿

美元购买石油,而且我们没有

能源计划,所以在华盛顿没有任何

事情让我对那个计划印象深刻

我认为

我们将迈出

能源计划的第一步 如果我们这样做了,我们可以看到

我们自己的资源更容易使用,

任何人都可以想象,谢谢,

谢谢,所以可以

对你

敞开心扉

因为经济改变了

发生的事情,我损失了 1.5 亿美元

,那将是一个人,所以

他们知道他的克里斯发生了

什么,是电力是它的价格超出

了保证金,所以保证金是

天然气,在 我进入风电

行业的时候天然气是 9 美元,

今天是 2 美元和 40 美分,

你不能在 6 美元和 mcf 下进行风能交易,

所以发生的事情

是我们通过提高使用

压裂技术的能力计算出

的天然气储量 的爆炸

和价格暴跌,这使得

风和没有竞争力简而言之

就是发生了这就是

发生的事情我们发现我们可以

去源岩这是

盆地的

第一个石炭系页岩是巴内特页岩和德克萨斯州,

然后是马塞勒斯在东北部

横跨纽约宾夕法尼亚州西

弗吉尼亚海恩斯维尔和路易斯安那州,这些

东西无处不在,我们被

天然气淹没了,现在你是那个的大

投资者 把它带到

我的井里,你说一个大投资者,这是我的

生活

生产商

前几天有人说我是美国第二

大天然气生产商,

我不希望,但不,我

不是我拥有股票,但我也从事

燃料行业,但天然气是一种

化石燃料 释放二氧化碳,

所以你说你相信

气候变化的威胁为什么这个

前景不关心你你将

不得不使用一些

东西你必须用什么来代替它

问题是的不不争论它是

一座桥梁 燃料是有道理的

因为每单位能源的二氧化碳

含量低于石油和煤炭,所以

每个人至少可以很高兴看到

从煤炭或石油到天然气的转变,

但如果是这样的话,

那就是 可再生能源

没有得到投资,然后长期被

搞砸了,好吧,我还没准备

好放弃吉姆,我和他谈了

他离开时的情况,我说你

对天然气的看法,他说好吧,这是

一个 桥梁燃料就是这样,我说

通往我们要去哪里的桥梁,

但我再次告诉你,

我不必担心你不会担心我认为

那不对,然后我想我认为你是

你 是一个相信你的遗产的人

你已经赚到了你需要的钱

你是少数

能够真正引发争论的人之一 我的

意思是你是否支持某种碳的想法

碳价格有意义吗?我不喜欢

这样,因为最终

政府将运行该计划 我可以

告诉你这将是一个失败

政府

在他们刚刚开始的这些

事情上并没有成功我的意思

是这很糟糕 想法十次,

他们还是做了十次

,但后来只炸了 5 亿,

我认为这更接近于一次殴打,但

克里斯,我认为我们的发展方向是

长期的,我不介意回到

核能,我 可以告诉你

报告的最后一页需要他们 5

年的时间才能写出来 1 不要

在第 12 号故障上建立改革者 不要在海洋上建立改革者

现在我认为改革者可以

安全地转移他们 在内陆和非常稳定的地方,

你知道地面并建立改革者

你有什么问题你

将不得不有能量毫无

疑问你不能好所以

观众的问题之一

是水力压裂在自然 天然气工艺

甲烷泄漏问题怎么

办? 甲烷是一种比二氧化碳更严重的

全球变暖气体,

这是一个令人担忧的

问题 年龄明智我得到了我们的学校 51 我

目睹了我在 1953 年在德克萨斯州博格的第一份水力压裂工作,

水力压裂技术在 47 年问世,

我们的总统站起来说

30 年前能源部

开发了水力压裂技术时,我一分钟都不相信 不知道

他在说什么我的意思是说

真的公寓能源

与水力压裂没有任何关系这是第

一份轨道工作是在 40 说我看到了我的

第一个 153 我在我的生活中练习了 3000 多口井

从来没有 搞乱

含水层或其他任何东西的问题现在

北美最大的含水层是从

德克萨斯州米德兰到南达科他州边界

跨越八个州的大含水层奥加拉拉

三叠纪时代我

在俄克拉荷马州有一个 80 万口

水井 xas 堪萨斯 在那个含水层要么

没有问题 我不明白

为什么媒体把注意力集中在

宾夕法尼亚州东部 好吧 所以你不

支持任何形式的碳税或

碳价格 你的图片我

猜是世界最终如何

摆脱化石燃料是通过

最终的创新

来实现的

这本书怎么写怎么杀死你

将要使用我们每天有这么多

天然气不会到你说好的地方

让我们不要再使用它你会继续

使用它是最干净的

如果你看看加利福尼亚,他们使用 2500

辆公共汽车 la MTA 已经使用

天然气 25 年了 Fort Worth 茶已经

使用了 25 年 为什么空气质量是

他们使用天然气和

远离柴油的原因 为什么都是垃圾

今天在南加州的卡车 关于

天然气的 ia 是因为空气质量我

知道你在告诉我什么,我不

同意我的观点,我们能不能

在某个时候停止使用天然气

,我说那是你的问题,

好吧,所以这是桥梁 助推器

这座桥的另一端是为

这些观众准备的 如果有人

来找你的计划

看起来真的可能是

解决方案的一部分 你是否准备好投资

这些技术,即使它们是 '

不要最大化利润 他们可能会

为了地球的未来健康而最大化 我

在风中损失了 1.5 亿美元 好吧 是的

我很喜欢它 因为我

再次知道我正在努力为美国解决能源问题

以及任何美国问题

会为我工作,但我真的很

感谢你来这里参与

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