Daniel Pauly The oceans shifting baseline

I’m going to speak

about a tiny, little idea.

And this is about shifting baseline.

And because the idea can be explained in one minute,

I will tell you three stories before

to fill in the time.

And the first story

is about Charles Darwin, one of my heroes.

And he was here, as you well know, in ‘35.

And you’d think he was chasing finches,

but he wasn’t.

He was actually collecting fish.

And he described one of them

as very “common.”

This was the sailfin grouper.

A big fishery was run on it

until the ’80s.

Now the fish is on the IUCN Red List.

Now this story,

we have heard it lots of times

on Galapagos and other places,

so there is nothing particular about it.

But the point is, we still come to Galapagos.

We still think it is pristine.

The brochures still say

it is untouched.

So what happens here?

The second story, also to illustrate another concept,

is called shifting waistline.

(Laughter)

Because I was there in ‘71,

studying a lagoon in West Africa.

I was there because I grew up in Europe

and I wanted later to work in Africa.

And I thought I could blend in.

And I got a big sunburn,

and I was convinced that I was really not from there.

This was my first sunburn.

And the lagoon

was surrounded by palm trees,

as you can see, and a few mangrove.

And it had tilapia

about 20 centimeters,

a species of tilapia called blackchin tilapia.

And the fisheries for this tilapia

sustained lots of fish and they had a good time

and they earned more than average

in Ghana.

When I went there 27 years later,

the fish had shrunk to half of their size.

They were maturing at five centimeters.

They had been pushed genetically.

There were still fishes.

They were still kind of happy.

And the fish also were happy to be there.

So nothing has changed,

but everything has changed.

My third little story

is that I was an accomplice

in the introduction of trawling

in Southeast Asia.

In the ’70s – well, beginning in the ’60s –

Europe did lots of development projects.

Fish development

meant imposing on countries

that had already 100,000 fishers

to impose on them industrial fishing.

And this boat, quite ugly,

is called the Mutiara 4.

And I went sailing on it,

and we did surveys

throughout the southern South China sea

and especially the Java Sea.

And what we caught,

we didn’t have words for it.

What we caught, I know now,

is the bottom of the sea.

And 90 percent of our catch

were sponges,

other animals that are fixed on the bottom.

And actually most of the fish,

they are a little spot on the debris,

the piles of debris, were coral reef fish.

Essentially the bottom of the sea came onto the deck

and then was thrown down.

And these pictures are extraordinary

because this transition is very rapid.

Within a year, you do a survey

and then commercial fishing begins.

The bottom is transformed

from, in this case, a hard bottom or soft coral

into a muddy mess.

This is a dead turtle.

They were not eaten, they were thrown away because they were dead.

And one time we caught a live one.

It was not drowned yet.

And then they wanted to kill it because it was good to eat.

This mountain of debris

is actually collected by fishers

every time they go

into an area that’s never been fished.

But it’s not documented.

We transform the world,

but we don’t remember it.

We adjust our baseline

to the new level,

and we don’t recall what was there.

If you generalize this,

something like this happens.

You have on the y axis some good thing:

biodiversity, numbers of orca,

the greenness of your country, the water supply.

And over time it changes –

it changes

because people do things, or naturally.

Every generation

will use the images

that they got at the beginning of their conscious lives

as a standard

and will extrapolate forward.

And the difference then,

they perceive as a loss.

But they don’t perceive what happened before as a loss.

You can have a succession of changes.

At the end you want to sustain

miserable leftovers.

And that, to a large extent, is what we want to do now.

We want to sustain things that are gone

or things that are not the way they were.

Now one should think

this problem affected people

certainly when in predatory societies,

they killed animals

and they didn’t know they had done so

after a few generations.

Because, obviously,

an animal that is very abundant,

before it gets extinct,

it becomes rare.

So you don’t lose abundant animals.

You always lose rare animals.

And therefore they’re not perceived

as a big loss.

Over time,

we concentrate on large animals,

and in a sea that means the big fish.

They become rarer because we fish them.

Over time we have a few fish left

and we think this is the baseline.

And the question is,

why do people accept this?

Well because they don’t know that it was different.

And in fact, lots of people, scientists,

will contest that it was really different.

And they will contest this

because the evidence

presented in an earlier mode

is not in the way

they would like the evidence presented.

For example,

the anecdote that some present,

as Captain so-and-so

observed lots of fish in this area

cannot be used

or is usually not utilized by fishery scientists,

because it’s not “scientific.”

So you have a situation

where people don’t know the past,

even though we live in literate societies,

because they don’t trust

the sources of the past.

And hence, the enormous role

that a marine protected area can play.

Because with marine protected areas,

we actually recreate the past.

We recreate the past that people cannot conceive

because the baseline has shifted

and is extremely low.

That is for people

who can see a marine protected area

and who can benefit

from the insight that it provides,

which enables them to reset their baseline.

How about the people who can’t do that

because they have no access –

the people in the Midwest for example?

There I think

that the arts and film

can perhaps fill the gap,

and simulation.

This is a simulation of Chesapeake Bay.

There were gray whales in Chesapeake Bay a long time ago –

500 years ago.

And you will have noticed that the hues and tones

are like “Avatar.”

(Laughter)

And if you think about “Avatar,”

if you think of why people were so touched by it –

never mind the Pocahontas story –

why so touched by the imagery?

Because it evokes something

that in a sense has been lost.

And so my recommendation,

it’s the only one I will provide,

is for Cameron to do “Avatar II” underwater.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

我要

谈谈一个小小的想法。

这是关于改变基线。

并且因为想法可以在一分钟内解释清楚,

所以我会在之前给你讲三个故事

来填补时间。

第一个故事

是关于查尔斯达尔文的,我的英雄之一。

众所周知,他在 35 年就在这里。

你会认为他在追逐雀类,

但他不是。

他实际上是在收集鱼。

他将其中一个描述

为非常“常见”。

这是帆鳍石斑鱼。 直到 80 年代

,一直在其上进行大型渔业

现在这条鱼在IUCN红色名录上。

现在这个故事,

我们

在加拉帕戈斯和其他地方已经听过很多次了,

所以没什么特别的。

但重点是,我们还是来到了加拉帕戈斯。

我们仍然认为它是原始的。

小册子

仍然说它没有受到影响。

那么这里会发生什么?

第二个故事,也是为了说明另一个概念,

叫做移动腰线。

(笑声)

因为我在 71 年在那里,

研究西非的一个泻湖。

我在那里是因为我在欧洲长大,

后来想在非洲工作。

我以为我可以融入其中。

我被晒伤了

,我确信我真的不是从那里来的。

这是我第一次晒伤。

如您所见

,泻湖周围环绕着棕榈树

和一些红树林。

并且它有

大约20厘米长

的罗非鱼,一种罗非鱼,叫做黑鳍罗非鱼。

捕捞这种罗非鱼的渔场养了

很多鱼,他们玩得很开心

,他们的收入高于

加纳的平均水平。

27 年后我去那里时

,鱼已经缩小到原来的一半。

它们在五厘米处成熟。

他们是被基因推动的。

鱼还是有的。

他们还是有些高兴的。

鱼也很高兴在那里。

所以一切都没有改变,

但一切都变了。

我的第三个小故事

是,我是

在东南亚引入拖网捕捞的帮凶

在 70 年代——嗯,从 60 年代开始——

欧洲做了很多开发项目。

渔业发展

意味着对已经拥有 100,000 名渔民

的国家实施工业捕捞。

而这艘船,相当丑陋,

被称为 Mutiara 4。

我在上面航行

,我们

在南中国海南部

,尤其是爪哇海进行了勘测。

我们抓到了什么,

我们无话可说。

我现在知道,我们捕获

的是海底。

我们捕获的 90%

是海绵

,其他固定在底部的动物。

而实际上大部分的鱼,

都是一点点的碎片

,一堆堆的碎片,都是珊瑚礁鱼。

本质上,海底来到甲板上

,然后被抛下。

这些照片非同寻常,

因为这种转变非常迅速。

一年之内,您进行调查

,然后开始商业捕鱼。

在这种情况下,底部从硬底或软珊瑚

变成了泥泞的烂摊子。

这是一只死龟。

它们没有被吃掉,它们被扔掉,因为它们已经死了。

有一次我们抓到了一只活的。

它还没有被淹死。

然后他们想杀死它,因为它很好吃。 每当

渔民

进入从未捕鱼过的区域时,他们实际上都会收集这座堆积如山的碎片。

但它没有记录。

我们改变了世界,

但我们不记得它。

我们将基线调整

到新的水平

,我们不记得那里有什么。

如果你概括这一点,

就会发生类似的事情。

你在 y 轴上有一些好东西:

生物多样性、逆戟鲸的数量

、你国家的绿色程度、供水。

随着时间的推移,它会发生变化——

它会

因为人们做事而改变,或者自然而然。

每一代人

都会

使用他们在有意识生活开始时获得的图像

作为标准

,并将向前推断。

然后,

他们认为差异是一种损失。

但他们并不认为之前发生的事情是一种损失。

您可以进行一系列更改。

最后,你想维持

悲惨的剩菜。

这在很大程度上是我们现在想要做的。

我们想要维持已经消失的

事物或不正常的事物。

现在人们应该认为

这个问题肯定会影响到人们,

因为在掠夺性社会中,

他们杀死了动物,

而他们不知道他们在

几代人之后就这样做了。

因为,很明显

,一种非常丰富的动物,

在它灭绝之前,

它就变得稀有了。

所以你不会失去丰富的动物。

你总是失去稀有动物。

因此,它们不被

视为重大损失。

随着时间的推移,

我们专注于大型动物

,在海洋中,这意味着大鱼。

它们变得越来越稀有,因为我们捕捞它们。

随着时间的推移,我们还剩下一些鱼

,我们认为这是基线。

问题是,

为什么人们会接受这一点?

好吧,因为他们不知道这是不同的。

事实上,很多人,科学家,

会争辩说它真的不一样。

他们会对此提出异议,

因为

以早期模式提供的

证据并不是

他们想要的证据。

例如

,有些人提出的轶事,

如某某船长

观察到该地区有很多鱼,

渔业科学家不能使用或通常不会使用,

因为它不“科学”。

因此

即使我们生活在有文化的社会中,人们也不知道过去,

因为他们不相信

过去的来源。

因此

,海洋保护区可以发挥巨大作用。

因为有了海洋保护区,

我们实际上是在重现过去。

我们重现了人们无法想象的过去,

因为基线已经改变

并且非常低。

这适用于

那些可以看到海洋保护区

并且可以

从它提供的洞察力中受益的人,

这使他们能够重新设置他们的基线。

那些因为无法访问而无法做到这一点的人

——

例如中西部的人呢?

在那里我

认为艺术和电影

也许可以填补空白,

而模拟。

这是切萨皮克湾的模拟。

很久以前——500年前,切萨皮克湾有灰鲸

你会注意到色调和

色调就像“阿凡达”。

(笑声

) 如果你想到“阿凡达”,

如果你想想为什么人们会被它如此感动——别

管风中奇缘的故事——

为什么对图像如此感动?

因为它唤起

了某种意义上已经丢失的东西。

所以我的建议,

这是我唯一会提供的,

是让卡梅隆在水下做“阿凡达 II”。

非常感谢你。

(掌声)