Is Corruption a Safety Net in Nigeria

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hello

happy to be back home um

so berlin 2014

germany i was sitting in a cafe

having a cup of hot chocolate and i got

into a conversation with a german lady

she must have been around 45 50 years

old

and as usual the question was where are

you from

and i said nigeria you know with a lot

of confidence nigeria

and she said oh nigeria and you know

when a foreigner

gives you that expression oh nigeria the

stereotype starts being in your head

like oh maybe she thinks one of those

internet fraudsters oh no i have a beard

probably um

ambuku haram right

so but then interestingly she said she

mentioned

okocha kanu tijani

i was like yes that’s more like it but

then as the conversation went on

she said another thing and she said you

know

about corruption in nigeria and i was

like

there i thought we were getting

somewhere and now the stereotypes

came back and i said what about

corruption

and she said you know it’s it’s

mind-boggling is it really true the kind

of monies that we hear that people steal

in nigeria

like why would anyone need to steal that

kind of money

you know like to her

from what what i got from from her was

the only reason why anyone would steal

that kind

of money is greed right

which brings us to the question of

what is corruption there’s a popular

definition of what corruption is

that it is the abuse of entrusted power

for private gains and when you hear this

definition

what comes to your mind ordinarily when

you hear corruption

is somebody collecting bribe you see

that picture of someone collecting bribe

or offering bribe

or someone sitting in his office signing

a document

to transfer illicit or illegal money to

their pockets

by a show of hands please let me see if

that is the picture you get

when you hear corruption

raise your hand if that is the picture

you get when you hear

corruption someone offering a bribe

someone

collecting a bribe so

a number of us it is very normal

to think that way but truly is that

really what corruption is

no that is not what corruption is

do you know what corruption is

corruption is

58 000 women die

needlessly in nigeria

corruption is 13 million

out of school children that is what

corruption is

13 million more than four times the

population of botswana

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corruption is a child dying

every 20 seconds to a preventable

disease

in this country

so it is not just you thinking about

someone stuffing his pockets offering

bribe or collecting

it is way beyond that and i want us to

take a second

to internalize this to introspect to

think

deeply about this and what you realize

while you’re doing this is that you are

having a change in mindset

because you are seeing it from a deeper

perspective and that is why we are here

so back to the german lady

why do these people engage in corruption

is it greed

what was my response you know as

nigerians they say

we answer questions good questions so it

was my turn to ask the questions

i told her so i i get your point i know

where you’re coming from

however i want to ask you a few

questions you’re a german right she said

yes

you have good health care she said yes

we have health insurance

she said yes do you have to travel

abroad to get quality health care she

said no we have some of the best

hospitals in the world

do you have to send your kids abroad

to study no we have some of the best

universities in the world

do you earn a good living with an

average

would you say an average german ends a

good living

he said yes of course do you feel safe

or do you feel threatened all the time

she said no

this is find a safe country the crime

rate is very low

and then i said to her so you see

if you ask an average nigerian these

same questions

they wouldn’t be able to answer yes

and she was quiet for a few seconds she

was quiet

which brings me to a theory called the

fraud triangle

and what is the fraud triangle

the theory tries to explain the reason

behind people engaging in fraud or in

this case

corruption one

pressure financial pressure so you work

in a ministry

in abuja as a graduate

and you end between 50 to 60 000 naira a

month

that is less than 200 a month clearly

that is not enough for you

to pay your bills to feed clothe and

transport yourself

monthly

on top of that

you work in an organization there are a

lot of loopholes

that it is possible for you to

perpetrate fraud

and get away with it

especially if you have the support of

your colleagues

who will cover your tracks

thirdly you are able to rationalize

you are able to rationalize these

fraud you tell yourself that well i

don’t any now

every other person is doing it i won’t

get caught

and you’re in a society that promotes

corruption

a society that celebrates people who are

corrupt

the society that sees people that are

corrupt are smart people

and see those who are not corrupt as

dumb people

you are in this society with all history

tell me with all these conditions

who won’t be susceptible to corruption

it is unfortunate that a system that we

have

has not offered an alternative

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such that

corruption becomes a safety net

because as human beings you must attend

to your needs and you will find a way

to attend to your needs no matter what

what are you going to tell your kids

your spouse how are you going to do

health care where are you going to leave

what clothes are you going to wear you

must attend to those needs

and if the system does not offer you you

will find

an alternative and that is what is

happening in this country

so what should we do

what should we do

many successive governments have made a

lot of efforts

by developing institutions the economic

financial crimes commission icpc

name it a host of organizations

to address corruption in this country

however one basic thing

that i’ve been missed is that we look at

corruption

from a very narrow perspective

and this resonates with what the german

lady was saying

because what i got from that

conversation was that corruption is

simply

an issue of greed like you don’t need a

kind of money why would you steal

you have enough clearly

she is comfortable but is that the case

in our country

no so what should we do as a people

the first thing that we should do

is change our minds change our mindsets

and when we hear corruption the first

thing that should come to our mind

it’s not just a definition of corruption

it’s not just somebody’s stuff in his

pockets

it is the implication of corruption what

does corruption do to our society and

our people

it kills people it undermines the

society’s goal

it shatters people’s dreams that is what

corruption is

and if you’re able to internalize this

next time when you hear about corruption

you’ll see corruption in a different

light

beyond that

it is also important that

we look at the factors that lead to

corruption

if we don’t address those factors as i

mentioned

in that fraud triangle that speaks about

some of the major factors

that lead to fraud we won’t get anywhere

ladies and gentlemen you’ve been a

wonderful audience thank you

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你好,

很高兴回到家,

嗯,柏林 2014

德国 我坐在咖啡馆里

喝了一杯热巧克力,

我和一位德国女士交谈,

她一定是 45 50 岁

左右 通常的问题是

你来自哪里

,我说尼日利亚,你

很自信地知道尼日利亚

,她说,哦,尼日利亚,你知道

当一个外国人

给你那种表情时,哦,尼日利亚,

刻板印象开始在你的脑海里,

就像哦,也许她认为一个 在那些

互联网欺诈者中哦,不,我有胡子,

可能是

阿姆布库哈拉姆,

所以但有趣的是,她说她

提到了

okocha kanu tijani,

我说是的,更像是这样,

但随着谈话的进行,

她又说了另一件事,她说你

知道

关于尼日利亚的腐败,我

就像

在那里我以为我们已经到了

某个地方,现在刻板印象

又回来了,我说腐败怎么办

,她说你知道这

令人难以置信,是真的吗

是的,我们听到人们在尼日利亚偷的那种钱是真的,

比如为什么有人需要

从我从她那里得到的东西中偷你知道的那种钱,这是

任何人偷那种钱的唯一原因

贪婪是对的

,这让我们

想到什么是腐败 腐败有一个流行的

定义,

即滥用受托权力

谋取私利,当您听到这个

定义

时,通常会想到什么

是腐败 收受贿赂 你

看到有人收受贿赂

或提供贿赂,

或者有人坐在他的办公室签署

文件,通过举手将非法或非法资金转移到

他们的口袋里

请让我看看

你听到的图片是不是这张图片

腐败

举手,如果这是

你听到腐败时得到的画面

有人提供贿赂

有人

收受贿赂 所以

我们中的一些人这是很正常的

以这种方式思考,但事实是,

真正的

腐败不是什么,那不是腐败

你知道什么是腐败吗 腐败是

58 000 名妇女

在尼日利亚不必要地死去

腐败是 1300

万失学儿童 那就是

1300 万以上的腐败

是博茨瓦纳人口的四倍

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腐败是这个国家

每 20 秒就有一个孩子死于一种可预防的

疾病

所以不仅仅是你想着

有人塞进口袋

行贿或收受贿赂,

这远远不止于此,我想要我们 花

一点时间将其内化 反省

深入思考这一点,

当你这样做时你意识到你

正在改变心态,

因为你从更深的角度看待它

,这就是我们在这里的

原因 回到这位德国女士,

为什么这些人从事腐败,

是贪婪

吗?我的回答是什么?作为

尼日利亚人,他们说

我们回答问题好问题,所以这是我的

回答 你转身问

我告诉她的问题,这样我就明白你的意思了

健康保险

她说是的 你是否必须出国旅行

才能获得优质的医疗保健 她

说不 我们有一些世界上最好的

医院

你必须送你的孩子出国留学吗

不 我们有一些世界上最好的

大学

你是否过着

普通的生活

你会说普通的德国人

过着美好的生活

吗他说是的当然你感到安全

还是你一直感到受到威胁

她说不

这是找到一个安全的国家

犯罪率非常高 低

,然后我对她说,所以你看看

如果你问一个普通的尼日利亚人这些

同样的问题,

他们将无法回答是

,她安静了几秒钟,

她安静了

,这让我想到了一个叫做欺诈三角的理论

和 什么是欺诈

三角理论 y试图解释

人们从事欺诈或在

这种情况下是

腐败的原因,一种

压力是经济压力,所以你

作为一名毕业生在阿布贾的一个部门工作,你每月的收入

在 50 到 60 000 奈拉之间

,显然每月不到 200 奈拉

这不足以让

您每月支付衣食和交通费用

,此外,

您在组织中工作还有

很多漏洞

,您可能会

实施欺诈

并逃脱惩罚,

尤其是如果您有 您的同事的支持,

他们将掩盖您的踪迹

第三,您能够合理化

您能够合理化这些

欺诈行为 您告诉自己,我

不会,现在

每个人都在这样做,我不会

被抓到

,您会 在一个促进

腐败

的社会 一个庆祝

腐败

的社会 看到腐败的人

是聪明人

,把不腐败的人视为

愚蠢的人

你在这个社会 历史悠久的社会

告诉我,在所有这些条件下

,谁不会容易受到腐败的影响,

不幸的是,我们

没有提供替代

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,使

腐败成为安全网,

因为作为人类,你必须

注意 你的需要,你会找到一种方法

来满足你的需要,

不管你要告诉你的孩子

你的配偶你将如何做

医疗保健你要离开

哪里你要穿什么衣服你

必须参加 满足这些需求

,如果系统不提供你,你

会找到

一个替代方案,这就是

这个国家正在发生的事情,

所以我们应该怎么做

我们应该怎么做

许多历届政府

通过发展经济

金融犯罪机构做出了很多努力 委员会 icpc 将其

命名

为解决该国腐败问题的许多组织,

我一直错过的一件基本事情是,我们

从一个非常狭隘的 pe 来看待腐败

这与这位德国女士所说的话产生了共鸣,

因为我从那次

谈话中得到的是,腐败只是

一个贪婪的问题,就像你不需要一种钱一样,你

为什么要偷

你有足够的钱,

她很舒服,但是 我们国家的情况

不 那么我们作为一个民族

应该做什么 我们应该做的第一件事

就是改变我们的想法 改变我们的思维

方式 当我们听到腐败时首先

想到的应该是

这不仅仅是腐败的定义

这不仅仅是某人口袋里的东西

它是腐败的

含义 腐败对我们的社会和

我们的人民

造成了什么 它杀死了人们 它破坏了

社会的目标

它粉碎了人们的梦想 这就是

腐败

,如果您能够将其内化

下次当你听到腐败时,

你会从不同的

角度看待

腐败 我们没有解决我

在欺诈三角中提到的那些因素,该三角谈到了

导致欺诈的一些主要因素,我们将无处可去

女士们先生们,你们一直是

出色的听众,谢谢