What if we replaced politicians with randomly selected people Brett Hennig

I want to talk about
one of the big questions,

perhaps the biggest question:

How should we live together?

How should a group of people,
who perhaps live in a city

or in the continent

or even the whole globe,

share and manage common resources?

How should we make
the rules that govern us?

This has always been
an important question.

And today, I think
it’s even more important than ever

if we want to address rising inequality,
climate change, the refugee crisis,

just to name a few major issues.

It’s also a very old question.

Humans have been asking
themselves this question

ever since we lived
in organized societies.

Like this guy, Plato.

He thought we needed benevolent guardians

who could make decisions
for the greater good of everyone.

Kings and queens thought
they could be those guardians,

but during various revolutions,
they tended to lose their heads.

And this guy, you probably know.

Here in Hungary, you lived for many years

under one attempt to implement
his answer of how to live together.

His answer was brutal, cruel and inhumane.

But a different answer,
a different kind of answer,

which went more or less
into hibernation for 2,000 years,

has had profound recent success.

That answer is, of course, democracy.

If we take a quick look
at the modern history of democracy,

it goes something like this.

Along here, we’re going
to put the last 200 years.

Up here, we’re going to put
the number of democracies.

And the graph does this,

the important point of which,

is this extraordinary increase over time,

which is why the 20th century

has been called the century
of democracy’s triumph,

and why, as Francis Fukuyama said in 1989,

some believe that we have reached
the end of history,

that the question of how to live together
has been answered,

and that answer is liberal democracy.

Let’s explore that assertion, though.

I want to find out what you think.

So I’m going to ask you two questions,

and I want you to put your hands up

if you agree.

The first question is: Who thinks
living in a democracy is a good thing?

Who likes democracy?

If you can think of a better system,
keep your hands down.

Don’t worry about those
who didn’t raise their hands,

I’m sure they mean very well.

The second question is:

Who thinks our democracies
are functioning well?

Come on, there must be one politician
in the audience somewhere.

(Laughter)

No.

But my point is, if liberal democracy
is the end of history,

then there’s a massive paradox
or contradiction here.

Why is that?

Well, the first question
is about the ideal of democracy,

and all these qualities
are very appealing.

But in practice, it’s not working.

And that’s the second question.

Our politics is broken,
our politicians aren’t trusted,

and the political system is distorted
by powerful vested interests.

I think there’s two ways
to resolve this paradox.

One is to give up on democracy;
it doesn’t work.

Let’s elect a populist demagogue
who will ignore democratic norms,

trample on liberal freedoms

and just get things done.

The other option, I think,
is to fix this broken system,

to bring the practice closer to the ideal

and put the diverse voices of society
in our parliaments

and get them to make considered,
evidence-based laws

for the long-term good of everyone.

Which brings me to my epiphany,

my moment of enlightenment.

And I want you to get critical.

I want you to ask yourselves,
“Why wouldn’t this work?”

And then come and talk to me
afterwards about it.

Its technical name is “sortition.”

But its common name is “random selection.”

And the idea is actually very simple:

we randomly select people
and put them in parliament.

(Laughter)

Let’s think about that
for a few more minutes, shall we?

Imagine we chose you and you
and you and you and you down there

and a bunch of other random people,

and we put you in our parliament
for the next couple of years.

Of course, we could stratify the selection
to make sure that it matched

the socioeconomic and demographic
profile of the country

and was a truly representative
sample of people.

Fifty percent of them would be women.

Many of them would be young,
some would be old,

a few would be rich,

but most of them would be
ordinary people like you and me.

This would be a microcosm of society.

And this microcosm would simulate
how we would all think,

if we had the time, the information

and a good process to come to
the moral crux of political decisions.

And although you may not be in that group,

someone of your age,
someone of your gender,

someone from your location
and someone with your background

would be in that room.

The decisions made by these people
would build on the wisdom of crowds.

They would become more
than the sum of their parts.

They would become critical thinkers

with access to experts,

who would be on tap but not on top.

And they could prove
that diversity can trump ability

when confronting the wide array
of societal questions and problems.

It would not be government
by public opinion poll.

It would not be government by referendum.

These informed, deliberating people
would move beyond public opinion

to the making of public judgments.

However, there would be
one major side effect:

if we replaced elections with sortition

and made our parliament
truly representative of society,

it would mean the end of politicians.

And I’m sure we’d all be
pretty sad to see that.

(Laughter)

Very interestingly,

random selection was a key part
of how democracy was done

in ancient Athens.

This machine, this device,
is called a kleroteria.

It’s an ancient Athenian
random-selection device.

The ancient Athenians
randomly selected citizens

to fill the vast majority
of their political posts.

They knew that elections
were aristocratic devices.

They knew that career politicians
were a thing to be avoided.

And I think we know these things as well.

But more interesting than
the ancient use of random selection

is its modern resurgence.

The rediscovery of the legitimacy
of random selection in politics

has become so common lately,

that there’s simply
too many examples to talk about.

Of course, I’m very aware
that it’s going to be difficult

to institute this in our parliaments.

Try this – say to your friend,

“I think we should populate our parliament
with randomly selected people.”

“Are you joking?

What if my neighbor gets chosen?

The fool can’t even
separate his recycling.”

But the perhaps surprising
but overwhelming and compelling evidence

from all these modern examples

is that it does work.

If you give people responsibility,
they act responsibly.

Don’t get me wrong – it’s not a panacea.

The question is not:
Would this be perfect?

Of course not.

People are fallibly human,

and distorting influences
will continue to exist.

The question is: Would it be better?

And the answer to that question,
to me at least, is obviously yes.

Which gets us back
to our original question:

How should we live together?

And now we have an answer:

with a parliament that uses sortition.

But how would we get from here to there?

How could we fix our broken system

and remake democracy for the 21st century?

Well, there are several
things that we can do,

and that are, in fact,
happening right now.

We can experiment with sortition.

We can introduce it to schools
and workplaces and other institutions,

like Democracy In Practice
is doing in Bolivia.

We can hold policy juries
and citizens' assemblies,

like the newDemocracy Foundation
is doing in Australia,

like the Jefferson Center
is doing in the US

and like the Irish government
is doing right now.

We could build a social movement
demanding change,

which is what the Sortition Foundation
is doing in the UK.

And at some point, we should institute it.

Perhaps the first step would be
a second chamber in our parliament,

full of randomly selected people –

a citizens' senate, if you will.

There’s a campaign
for a citizens' senate in France

and another campaign in Scotland,

and it could, of course, be done
right here in Hungary.

That would be kind of like a Trojan horse
right into the heart of government.

And then, when it becomes impossible

to patch over the cracks
in the current system,

we must step up and replace
elections with sortition.

I have hope.

Here in Hungary,
systems have been created,

and systems have been
torn down and replaced

in the past.

Change can and does happen.

It’s just a matter of when and how.

Thank you.
(Hungarian) Thank you.

(Applause)

我想谈谈
一个大问题,

也许是最大的问题:

我们应该如何生活在一起?

一群人
,可能生活在一个城市

或大陆

,甚至全球,应该如何

共享和管理共同资源?

我们应该如何
制定管理我们的规则?

这一直是
一个重要的问题。

而今天,我认为

如果我们想要解决日益严重的不平等、
气候变化、难民危机,

仅举几个主要问题,这比以往任何时候都更加重要。

这也是一个非常古老的问题。

自从我们生活
在有组织的社会中以来,人类就一直在问自己这个问题。

就像这个人,柏拉图。

他认为我们需要仁慈的监护人

,他们可以
为每个人的更大利益做出决定。

国王和王后认为
他们可以成为那些守护者,

但在各种革命期间,
他们往往会失去理智。

而这个人,你可能知道。

在匈牙利,你

在一次尝试中生活了很多年,以实现
他关于如何共同生活的答案。

他的回答是残酷、残忍和不人道的。

但是一个不同的答案,
一种不同的答案,

或多或少地
进入了休眠状态 2000 年,

最近取得了巨大的成功。

答案当然是民主。

如果我们快速浏览
一下现代民主史,

它会是这样的。

在这里,我们
将放置过去的 200 年。

在这里,我们
将输入民主国家的数量。

图表做到了这

一点,其中重要的一点

是随着时间的推移这种非同寻常的增长,

这就是为什么 20

世纪被称为
民主胜利的世纪,

以及为什么正如弗朗西斯·福山在 1989 年所说的那样,

一些人认为我们已经达到了
历史的终结

,如何共同生活的问题
已经得到解答,

而这个答案就是自由民主。

不过,让我们探讨一下这个断言。

我想知道你的想法。

所以我要问你两个问题,如果你同意

,我希望你举手

第一个问题是:谁认为
生活在民主国家是好事?

谁喜欢民主?

如果您能想到更好的系统,
请放下手。

不要担心
那些没有举手的人,

我相信他们的意思很好。

第二个问题是:

谁认为我们的
民主运作良好?

来吧,观众中一定有一位
政客。

(笑声)

不。

但我的观点是,如果自由民主
是历史的终结,

那么这里就有一个巨大的悖论
或矛盾。

这是为什么?

那么,第一个问题
是关于民主的理想

,所有这些品质
都非常吸引人。

但在实践中,它不起作用。

这是第二个问题。

我们的政治被打破了,
我们的政客不被信任

,政治制度
被强大的既得利益集团扭曲。

我认为有两种方法
可以解决这个悖论。

一是放弃民主;
它不起作用。

让我们选举一个民粹主义的煽动者
,他会无视民主规范,

践踏自由主义

,只是把事情做好。

我认为,另一种选择
是修复这个破碎的系统

,使实践更接近理想

,让社会的不同声音
进入我们的议会

,让他们为长期利益制定经过深思熟虑的、以
证据为基础的法律

每个人。

这让我顿悟,

我的启蒙时刻。

我希望你变得批评。

我想让你问自己,
“为什么这行不通?”

然后过来和我
谈谈这件事。

它的技术名称是“分拣”。

但它的通用名称是“随机选择”。

这个想法实际上很简单:

我们随机选择人
并将他们放入议会。

(笑声)

让我们再
考虑几分钟,好吗?

想象一下,我们选择了你,你
,你,你和你,

还有一堆其他随机的人

,我们
在接下来的几年里让你进入我们的议会。

当然,我们可以对选择进行分层,
以确保它与

该国的社会经济和人口
概况相匹配,

并且是真正具有代表性
的人群样本。

其中百分之五十是女性。

有的年轻,
有的老,有的

有钱,

但大部分都是
你我这样的普通人。

这将是社会的一个缩影。

如果我们有时间、信息

和良好的流程来得出
政治决策的道德症结,这个缩影将模拟我们所有人的想法。

尽管您可能不在该组中,但

与您同龄的
某个人、您的性别、

您所在地区
的某个人和具有您背景的某个人

会在那个房间里。

这些人做出的决定
将建立在群众的智慧之上。

它们将变得
超过它们各部分的总和。

他们将成为批判性思考者

,可以接触到专家,

他们会随时待命,但不会处于领先地位。

他们可以
证明,

在面对广泛
的社会问题和问题时,多样性可以胜过能力。

这不会
是民意调查的政府。

这不会是全民公决的政府。

这些知情、深思熟虑的人
将超越公众舆论

,做出公众判断。

然而,会有
一个重大的副作用:

如果我们用抽签取代选举

,让我们的议会
真正代表社会,

这将意味着政客的终结。

我敢肯定
,看到这一点我们都会很难过。

(笑声)

非常有趣的是,

随机选择是古代雅典民主的关键部分

这台机器,这个装置,
被称为kleroteria。

这是一种古老的雅典
随机选择装置。

古代雅典人
随机选择公民

来填补
他们绝大多数的政治职位。

他们知道选举
是贵族的手段。

他们知道职业政治家
是应该避免的。

我认为我们也知道这些事情。


比古代使用随机选择更有趣的

是它在现代的复兴。

重新发现
政治随机选择的合法性

最近变得如此普遍,

以至于有
太多的例子可以谈论。

当然,我非常清楚

在我们的议会中实施这一点将很困难。

试试这个——对你的朋友说,

“我认为我们应该
用随机选择的人来填充我们的议会。”

“你在开玩笑吗

?如果我的邻居被选中了怎么办

?傻瓜
连回收都分不清。”

但来自所有这些现代例子的可能令人惊讶
但压倒性和令人信服的证据

是它确实有效。

如果你赋予人们责任,
他们就会负责任地行事。

不要误会我的意思——它不是灵丹妙药。

问题不是:
这会是完美的吗?

当然不是。

人是容易犯错的人

,扭曲的影响
将继续存在。

问题是:会更好吗? 至少对

我来说,这个问题的答案
显然是肯定的。

这让我们
回到了最初的问题:

我们应该如何生活在一起?

现在我们有了一个答案:

议会使用抽签。

但是我们如何从这里到那里呢?

我们如何才能修复我们破碎的制度

并为 21 世纪重建民主?

嗯,有几
件事我们可以做

,事实上,这些
事情正在发生。

我们可以尝试排序。

我们可以把它介绍给学校
、工作场所和其他机构,

就像玻利维亚的实践中的民主一样

我们可以举行政策陪审团
和公民大会,

就像新民主基金会
在澳大利亚所做的那样,

就像杰斐逊中心
在美国所做的那样

,就像爱尔兰政府
现在正在做的那样。

我们可以建立一个要求改变的社会运动

这就是分拣基金会
在英国所做的。

在某个时候,我们应该建立它。

也许第一步将
是我们议会的第二个议院,

充满随机选择的人——

如果你愿意的话,一个公民参议院。

法国有一场公民参议院

竞选活动,苏格兰也有另一场竞选活动

,当然,它可以
在匈牙利这里进行。

这有点像
进入政府核心的特洛伊木马。

然后,当

无法修补
当前系统的裂缝时,

我们必须加紧努力,
用抽签代替选举。

我有希望。

在匈牙利这里,
系统已经创建

,系统在过去被
拆除和更换

改变可以而且确实会发生。

这只是时间和方式的问题。

谢谢你。
(匈牙利语)谢谢。

(掌声)