How we can curb climate change by spending two percent more on everything Jens Burchardt

Transcriber:

This is a lump of coal.

It was mined a while ago
in the Ruhr region in Germany,

about 50 miles from where I grew up.

As coal goes,
it’s actually quite high-end.

It’s very dry, it has
a high share of carbon in it.

Both those things mean
you can’t only burn it

to produce power and heat,

but you can use it to make steel.

Now why am I telling you this?

By the end of this talk,

I want to have convinced you
that we can make a huge step forward

in the great fight against climate change

by just spending one to two percent more
on things that we buy.

And the path of this coal
is going to help me with it.

But …

back to steel.

What you have to know about steelmaking
is that it’s a humblingly brutal process.

These huge furnaces that tear apart
and recombine elements and materials

that have literally been around
for millions of years,

at temperatures of up to
more than 2,000 degrees Celsius.

It’s a triumph of industrialization,

but it’s terrible for the climate.

More than five percent
of all man-made emissions

currently come from making steel.

And of all the many challenges
we face to save the climate,

this one’s particularly hard to solve.

Now, why is that?

The first reason is technical.

There are technologies
to produce low-carbon steel.

We can, for example, capture the CO2

and pump it back under the earth –

that’s called carbon capture and storage.

Or we can move to entirely new processes

that, for example, run on low-carbon
hydrogen instead of coal.

But all of these are currently
only at a piloting stage.

The second reason is economical.

This is likely going to be expensive.

And to illustrate that,

let’s compare the steel challenge
to that of companies in other sectors.

If you’re in, say, manufacturing,

most of your emissions
come from the power you consume

for things like conveyor belts,
robots, drives and so on.

You can eliminate them
by switching to renewables,

which isn’t that expensive anymore.

In most cases, this won’t cost you
more than 10 euros per ton of CO2,

probably a lot less.

Other companies have
more energy-intensive processes

that require a lot of heat to operate.

They generate more emissions
by burning fossil fuels directly,

and that’s more expensive to get rid of.

Now let’s assume,
across all of their processes,

it costs them, on average,
five times as much,

somewhere between
40 and 50 euros per ton of CO2.

Now if a steel company
wants to move to zero emissions,

it either needs to invest significantly
in upgrading all of its current plants

and into infrastructure
that transports CO2

from its plants to a storage site,

or it needs to close all its plants
and build entirely new ones

that, for example,
run on low-carbon hydrogen.

According to industry studies,
this can cost them 10 times as much,

in the ballpark of 100 euros
per ton of CO2,

and the costs for a ton of steel
could increase by as much as 50 percent.

Now, to make matters even worse,

our steel company operates
in the commodity business;

it almost exclusively competes on price.

And it has shitty margins already:

that means saving CO2 is expensive,

but its profit per ton
of CO2 is very low,

and this puts it
in the uncomfortable company

of only a few other sectors,

the so-called hard-to-abate sectors club,

all the industries
like cement and chemicals,

that have equally messy
industrial processes

and require very high
temperatures to operate,

or aviation and shipping,

that need to invest a lot of energy

to move very large and heavy objects
over longer distances.

And hard-to-abate sectors
are one of the larger dilemmas

of international climate action,

because discussions around decarbonization
usually go roughly like this:

Well, the activist says,

“Your emissions are harming the planet
and threatening humanity.

You need to change immediately.”

And the company answers,

“I know. But if I invest
in low-carbon technologies,

and the next guy doesn’t,

we’ll be more expensive
and go out of business.

It won’t help the climate.

So first, I need a level playing field.”

Both understandable positions,

but bringing down emissions
is kind of urgent,

and a global level playing field,

in which, say,

all countries agree on one
mutual price for carbon emissions,

probably won’t materialize
anymore in my lifetime.

So this is where the discussions
usually reach a stalemate,

and where my talk would therefore end.

But would it end here,
I wouldn’t have been invited to hold it,

and I already promised you

that saving the planet
does not have to break the bank.

So let’s maybe follow
the path of our lump of coal

just a little further.

The last time we left it,
it had helped make steel,

which, climate impact notwithstanding,

is one of the key building blocks
of our economies.

It’s in many, many things,

from huge structures
to everyday household items

like refrigerators or washing machines.

We use it to build wind turbines,

which we need to save emissions
in the power sector,

and we use it to build our cars,

which is the part of the journey
I’d like us to follow next.

Now, in today’s typical car,

steel can be found
in many, many different parts.

You can assume that an average
European midsized sedan

with a 30,000 euro price tag

contains about one ton of it.

To produce one ton of steel, in Europe,

generates a bit less
than two tons of carbon emissions.

In other countries, like China,
it’s a bit more, so let’s round to two.

Now we’ve learned earlier

that moving to low-carbon steel
can increase its costs

by as much as 50 percent.

If history tells us anything,

then these costs will likely decrease
over the long run,

if humans truly put their mind,
their muscle, their money behind it.

But, for the sake of this argument,
let’s stick to these costs,

plus 50 percent.

In the case of our European midsize sedan,
this translates into …

wait for it …

200 euros.

Wait, that can’t be right.

That’s not even a percent
of the final sales value.

Well, let’s do the math.

If you spend 30,000 euros for a car,
what are you actually paying for?

Well, first of all, the car company
needs to make money.

So the first 20 percent
are for its margin, for marketing,

the whole sales organization,
overhead and so on.

The car needs to be assembled –

another 20 percent goes to production.

First, the parts of the car
have to be assembled –

40 percent go to suppliers.

In this whole process,

many things need to be moved
from A to B and back,

so more goes to transportation.

Now only 15 percent
of the price of the car

is actually for the materials in it.

Things like the battery, aluminum,
plastics, glass,

and two percent for the steel.

This means that materials

that make up 90 percent
of a car’s emission footprint

by the time that I can buy it
in the dealership

make up only 15 percent of its costs.

And it means that even [though]
the car company has to pay 50 percent more

for the steel in the car,

this only translates
into a very small markup

on my final sales price.

Now you would rightly argue
that steel isn’t the only thing

creating emissions in the car.

And that’s, of course, correct.

So we did the math for other commodities
and processes as well.

And it turns out building
a 30,000 euro car

out of exclusively
carbon-neutral materials

would only increase its price
to 30,500 euros,

only 500 euros extra.

It’s less than two percent more.

Buying that same car
in sunset red instead of black

would cost me 700 euros extra.

Fancier rims – 1,000 euros extra.

Leather seats – 2,000 euros extra.

You get the picture.

So let’s imagine:

that same discussion we had earlier,
but with a car producer in the middle,

where the activist says,

“Your emissions are harming the planet
and threatening humanity.

You need to change immediately.”

And now a car producer answers,

“I know.

But if I invest in low-carbon materials,
and the next guy doesn’t,

my car will be two percent more expensive.

Wait …

My customers might actually pay that.

And I can market all my cars
as carbon-neutral.

Steel producer,

your steel is creating
too many emissions in my car.

You have to change immediately.”

“I can make low-carbon steel for you,

but it will be more expensive.”

“How much more expensive?”

And now, we at least have a dialog.

Almost everything about the way
we currently live

currently contributes to global warming.

Most of the things we buy
come with a heavy emissions backpack

that few of us are really aware of.

What I want you to understand

is that we can eliminate
a lot of these emissions

by just spending one to two percent more
on things that we buy.

We’ve learned what it would cost
to produce a carbon-neutral car.

So how about a carbon-neutral smartphone?

Three euros extra.

That’s 13 cents a month
on a two-year plan.

A carbon-neutral pair of jeans?
60 to 70 cents extra.

Even building a house
out of carbon-neutral materials

would only increase its costs
by two to three percent,

and even less in good locations.

There are six supply chains

that are responsible for almost half
of all global emissions

that we can impact directly
through our purchasing decisions.

Those are things like food,
construction, fashion,

consumer goods, electronics
and, of course, automotive.

And just like in the car example,

materials make up only a fraction
of the final sales price in most of them.

Addressing these emissions
could be a huge step forward

for international climate action.

It would enable customer-facing companies

that can benefit from marketing
carbon-neutral products

to address a multiple
of their direct emissions footprints.

And many of these emissions
are in sectors like steel,

that can shoulder the costs on their own.

Some are in countries that don’t yet
regulate emissions aggressively enough.

Take the Chucks I’m wearing now.

Me being willing to spend
two percent more on them

could have reduced
the production emissions in China.

Now I’m well aware
that not everyone can easily afford

to spend these two percent extra,

but we have to be aware
that the economic consequences,

let alone the human ones,

of not spending this money,

would be far, far worse.

We have to move to net zero.

Fairly distributing the costs of this

is one of the many challenges

that we as a society
will need to deal with.

I’m also not saying
that this will be easy.

Understanding supply-chain emissions
is unbelievably cumbersome.

Engaging with suppliers to address them
takes a lot of effort.

What we would argue
is that, for many companies,

the chance to market
a truly carbon-neutral product

at just a one-to-two percent higher price

should be well worth this effort.

Just imagine:

you’re standing in a store,

with two brands of the same
product in front of you.

One is carbon-neutral –
it costs two percent more.

Which of these two products
would you rather buy?

Imagine you had the chance

to work for either one
of these two companies.

Who would you rather work for?

Imagine you were an investor.

On which of these two companies
would you bet your money?

Which of these two do you think
will be more successful in the long run?

To solve the climate crisis,
there’s still a lot we need to figure out.

There are many challenges
we need to overcome.

But economics
don’t have to be one of them.

Thank you.

抄写员:

这是一块煤。

它是不久前
在德国鲁尔区开采的,

距离我长大的地方大约 50 英里。

就煤炭而言,
它实际上是相当高端的。

它非常干燥,碳含量很高。

这两件事都意味着
你不仅可以燃烧它

来产生电力和热量,

还可以用它来制造钢铁。

现在我为什么要告诉你这个?

在本次演讲结束时,

我想让您
相信,只要在我们购买的东西上多花 1% 到 2%,我们就可以

在应对气候变化的伟大斗争中向前迈出一大步

这种煤炭的路径
将帮助我。

但是……

回到钢铁。

关于炼钢,你必须知道的
是,这是一个极其残酷的过程。

这些巨大的熔炉

在高达 2000 摄氏度以上的温度下,将已经存在数百万年的元素和材料分解并重新组合

这是工业化的胜利,

但对气候来说是可怕的。

目前,超过 5%
的人为排放

来自钢铁制造。


我们为拯救气候而面临的众多挑战中,

这一挑战尤其难以解决。

现在,这是为什么呢?

第一个原因是技术上的。


生产低碳钢的技术。

例如,我们可以捕获二氧化碳

并将其泵回地下——

这就是所谓的碳捕获和储存。

或者我们可以转向全新的工艺

,例如,使用低
碳氢而不是煤。

但所有这些目前都
只是处于试点阶段。

第二个原因是经济。

这可能会很昂贵。

为了说明这一点,

让我们将钢铁挑战
与其他行业的公司进行比较。

例如,如果您从事制造业,那么您的

大部分排放
来自您

为传送带、
机器人、驱动器等所消耗的电力。

您可以
通过改用可再生能源来消除它们,

这不再那么昂贵了。

在大多数情况下,
每吨二氧化碳的成本不会超过 10 欧元,

可能要少得多。

其他公司有
更多能源密集型流程

,需要大量热量才能运行。

它们
通过直接燃烧化石燃料产生更多的排放,

而且摆脱这种燃料的成本更高。

现在让我们假设,
在他们的所有流程中,

他们的平均成本是每吨二氧化碳的
五倍,

大约在
40 到 50 欧元之间。

现在,如果一家钢铁公司
想要实现零排放,

它要么需要大量投资
以升级其所有现有工厂

,并建设
将二氧化碳

从工厂输送到储存地点的基础设施,

要么需要关闭所有工厂
并完全建造

例如
,使用低碳氢的新产品。

根据行业研究,
这可能使他们的成本增加 10 倍

,大约为每吨二氧化碳 100 欧元

而一吨钢的成本
可能增加多达 50%。

现在,更糟糕的是,

我们的钢铁公司
从事商品业务;

它几乎完全在价格上竞争。

而且它的利润已经很糟糕了:

这意味着节省二氧化碳成本很高,

但它
每吨二氧化碳的利润却很低

,这使它

在只有少数其他行业,

即所谓的难以减排的行业中处于不利地位 俱乐部,

所有行业,
如水泥和化学品

,工业流程同样混乱

,需要非常高的
温度才能运行,

或者航空和航运

,需要投入大量能源

来将非常大和重的物体移动
到更远的距离。

难以减少的部门

国际气候行动的更大困境之一,

因为围绕脱碳的讨论
通常大致如下:

好吧,活动家说,

“你的排放正在危害地球
并威胁人类。

你需要立即改变 。”

公司回答说:

“我知道。但如果我
投资低碳技术,

而下一个不这样做,

我们的成本会更高,
而且会倒闭。

这对气候无益。

所以首先, 我需要一个公平的竞争环境。”

这两种立场都是可以理解的,

但降低排放
量是紧迫的,

而全球公平的竞争环境

,比如说,

所有国家
就碳排放的共同价格达成一致

,在我的有生之年可能不会再实现。

所以这是讨论
通常陷入僵局的地方,

因此我的演讲将在此结束。

但它会到此结束吗,
我不会被邀请持有它,

而且我已经向你

保证,拯救地球
不必倾家荡产。

所以让我们沿着
我们的煤块的路径

走得更远一点。

上次我们离开它时,
它帮助制造了钢铁

,尽管存在气候影响,但钢铁仍然

是我们经济的关键组成
部分之一。

它存在于许多事物中,

从巨大的结构

冰箱或洗衣机等日常家居用品。

我们用它来制造风力涡轮机

,我们需要用它来节省
电力部门的排放

,我们用它来制造我们的汽车,

这是
我希望我们接下来要走的旅程的一部分。

现在,在当今的典型汽车中,

可以
在许多不同的零件中找到钢材。

您可以假设一辆标价 30,000 欧元的普通
欧洲中型轿车

包含大约一吨。

在欧洲,生产一吨钢所

产生
的碳排放量略低于两吨。

在其他国家,比如中国,
它有点多,所以让我们四舍五入。

现在我们早先

了解到,转向低碳钢
可能会使其成本

增加多达 50%。

如果历史告诉我们什么,

那么
从长远来看,

如果人类真的把他们的思想
、肌肉和金钱放在后面,这些成本可能会降低。

但是,为了这个论点,
让我们坚持这些成本,

再加上 50%。

就我们的欧洲中型轿车而言,
这意味着……

等等……

200 欧元。

等等,这不可能。

这甚至还不
到最终销售额的百分之一。

好吧,让我们算一下。

如果你花 30,000 欧元买一辆车,
你实际支付的是什么?

那么,首先,汽车公司
需要赚钱。

因此,前 20
% 用于利润、营销

、整个销售组织、
管理费用等。

汽车需要组装——

另外 20% 用于生产。

首先,汽车的零件
必须组装

——40% 的零件交给供应商。

在整个过程中,

很多东西需要
从 A 到 B 再往回移动,

所以更多的是运输。

现在只有 15%
的汽车

价格实际上是用于其中的材料。

诸如电池、铝、
塑料、玻璃

和 2% 的钢之类的东西。

这意味着到我可以在经销商处购买

汽车时,占汽车排放足迹 90% 的材料

仅占其成本的 15%。

这意味着,
即使汽车公司必须为车内的钢材多付 50%

但这只会
转化为

对我的最终销售价格的一个非常小的加价。

现在你会正确地争辩
说,钢铁并不是唯一

在汽车中产生排放的东西。

当然,这是正确的。

因此,我们也对其他商品
和流程进行了数学计算。

事实证明,用完全碳中和材料制造
一辆价值 30,000 欧元的汽车

只会将其价格提高
到 30,500 欧元,

仅额外增加 500 欧元。

多出不到百分之二。

购买同样
的日落红色而不是黑色的汽车

将花费我 700 欧元的额外费用。

更高档的轮辋 - 额外 1,000 欧元。

真皮座椅——额外2,000欧元。

你得到图片。

让我们想象一下:

我们之前进行过同样的讨论,
但中间有一位汽车生产商

,活动家说,

“你的排放物正在危害地球
并威胁人类。

你需要立即改变。”

现在一位汽车生产商回答说:

“我知道。

但如果我投资低碳材料,
而下一个人不这样做,

我的汽车就会贵 2%。

等等……

我的客户可能真的会付钱。

而且 “我可以将我所有的汽车都标榜
为碳中和。

钢铁生产商,

你们的钢材
在我的汽车中产生了过多的排放。

你必须立即做出改变。”

“我可以给你做低碳钢,

但是会贵一些。”

“贵了多少?”

现在,我们至少有一个对话。 我们目前

生活方式的几乎所有事情都会

导致全球变暖。

我们购买的大多数东西
都带有一个

我们很少有人真正意识到的重排放背包。

我想让你明白的

是,我们可以

通过在我们购买的东西上多花 1% 到 2% 来消除很多这些排放

我们已经了解
了生产碳中和汽车的成本。

那么碳中和智能手机怎么样?

额外三欧元。


是两年计划每月 13 美分。

一条碳中和牛仔裤?
60 到 70 美分的额外费用。

即使用碳中和材料建造房屋

也只会
增加 2% 到 3% 的成本,

而在良好的位置甚至更少。

有六个供应

链几乎
占全球排放量的一半

,我们可以
通过我们的采购决策直接影响这些排放量。

这些是食品、
建筑、时尚、

消费品、电子
产品,当然还有汽车。

就像汽车的例子一样,

在大多数情况下,材料只占最终销售价格的一小部分。

解决这些排放问题
可能是国际气候行动向前迈出的一大步

这将使面向客户的公司

能够从营销
碳中和产品中受益,

以解决其
多个直接排放足迹。

其中许多排放
来自钢铁等行业,这些行业

可以自行承担成本。

有些国家尚未
对排放进行足够积极的监管。

拿我现在穿的夹头。

我愿意
在他们身上多花 2%

就可以减少
中国的生产排放。

现在我很清楚
,不是每个人都能轻易负担

得起这 2% 的额外支出,

但我们必须
意识到,不花这笔钱所带来的经济后果,

更不用说对人类造成的后果

,将会更加糟糕。

我们必须转向净零。

公平分配成本

是我们作为一个社会
需要应对的众多挑战之一。

我也不是
说这很容易。

了解供应链排放
是令人难以置信的繁琐。

与供应商合作解决这些问题
需要付出很多努力。

我们
认为,对于许多公司来说,

以仅高出 1% 到 2% 的价格推销真正的碳中和产品的机会

应该是非常值得的。

想象一下:

你站在一家商店里,面前

有两个品牌的同一种
产品。

一种是碳中和的——
它的成本要高出 2%。 您更愿意购买

这两种产品中的哪一种

想象一下,您有机会

为这两家公司中的任何一家工作。

你更愿意为谁工作?

想象一下你是一个投资者。 你会把钱押

在这两家公司中的哪一家
? 从长远来看,

您认为这两者中哪一个
会更成功?

为了解决气候危机,
我们还有很多事情需要弄清楚。

我们需要克服许多挑战

但经济学
不一定是其中之一。

谢谢你。