How to let go of being a good person and become a better person Dolly Chugh

Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Krystian Aparta

So a friend of mine was riding
in a taxi to the airport the other day,

and on the way, she was chatting
with the taxi driver,

and he said to her, with total sincerity,

“I can tell you are a really good person.”

And when she told me this story later,

she said she couldn’t believe
how good it made her feel,

that it meant a lot to her.

Now that may seem
like a strong reaction from my friend

to the words of a total stranger,

but she’s not alone.

I’m a social scientist.

I study the psychology of good people,

and research in my field says
many of us care deeply

about feeling like a good person
and being seen as a good person.

Now, your definition of “good person”
and your definition of “good person”

and maybe the taxi driver’s
definition of “good person” –

we may not all have the same definition,

but within whatever our definition is,

that moral identity
is important to many of us.

Now, if somebody challenges it,
like they question us for a joke we tell,

or maybe we say
our workforce is homogenous,

or a slippery business expense,

we go into red-zone defensiveness
a lot of the time.

I mean, sometimes we call out

all the ways in which we help
people from marginalized groups,

or we donate to charity,

or the hours we volunteer to nonprofits.

We work to protect
that good person identity.

It’s important to many of us.

But what if I told you this?

What if I told you that our attachment
to being good people

is getting in the way
of us being better people?

What if I told you that our definition
of “good person” is so narrow,

it’s scientifically impossible to meet?

And what if I told you
the path to being better people

just begins with letting go
of being a good person?

Now, let me tell you a little bit
about the research

about how the human mind works

to explain.

The brain relies on shortcuts
to do a lot of its work.

That means a lot of the time,

your mental processes are taking place
outside of your awareness,

like in low-battery, low-power mode
in the back of your mind.

That’s, in fact, the premise
of bounded rationality.

Bounded rationality is
the Nobel Prize-winning idea

that the human mind
has limited storage resources,

limited processing power,

and as a result, it relies on shortcuts
to do a lot of its work.

So for example,

some scientists estimate
that in any given moment …

Better, better click, right? There we go.

(Laughter)

At any given moment,

11 million pieces of information
are coming into your mind.

Eleven million.

And only 40 of them
are being processed consciously.

So 11 million, 40.

I mean, has this ever happened to you?

Have you ever had
a really busy day at work,

and you drive home,

and when you get in the door,

you realize you don’t
even remember the drive home,

like whether you had
green lights or red lights.

You don’t even remember.
You were on autopilot.

Or have you ever opened the fridge,

looked for the butter,

swore there is no butter,

and then realized the butter
was right in front of you the whole time?

These are the kinds of “whoops” moments
that make us giggle,

and this is what happens in a brain

that can handle 11 million
pieces of information coming in

with only 40 being processed consciously.

That’s the bounded part
of bounded rationality.

This work on bounded rationality

is what’s inspired work I’ve done
with my collaborators

Max Bazerman and Mahzarin Banaji,

on what we call bounded ethicality.

So it’s the same premise
as bounded rationality,

that we have a human mind
that is bounded in some sort of way

and relying on shortcuts,

and that those shortcuts
can sometimes lead us astray.

With bounded rationality,

perhaps it affects the cereal
we buy in the grocery store,

or the product we launch in the boardroom.

With bounded ethicality, the human mind,

the same human mind,

is making decisions,

and here, it’s about who to hire next,

or what joke to tell

or that slippery business decision.

So let me give you an example
of bounded ethicality at work.

Unconscious bias is one place

where we see the effects
of bounded ethicality.

So unconscious bias refers
to associations we have in our mind,

the shortcuts your brain is using
to organize information,

very likely outside of your awareness,

not necessarily lining up
with your conscious beliefs.

Researchers Nosek, Banaji and Greenwald

have looked at data
from millions of people,

and what they’ve found is, for example,

most white Americans
can more quickly and easily

associate white people and good things

than black people and good things,

and most men and women
can more quickly and easily associate

men and science than women and science.

And these associations
don’t necessarily line up

with what people consciously think.

They may have
very egalitarian views, in fact.

So sometimes, that 11 million
and that 40 just don’t line up.

And here’s another example:

conflicts of interest.

So we tend to underestimate
how much a small gift –

imagine a ballpoint pen or dinner –

how much that small gift
can affect our decision making.

We don’t realize that our mind
is unconsciously lining up evidence

to support the point of view
of the gift-giver,

no matter how hard we’re consciously
trying to be objective and professional.

We also see bounded ethicality –

despite our attachment
to being good people,

we still make mistakes,

and we make mistakes
that sometimes hurt other people,

that sometimes promote injustice,

despite our best attempts,

and we explain away our mistakes
rather than learning from them.

Like, for example,

when I got an email
from a female student in my class

saying that a reading I had assigned,

a reading I had been assigning for years,

was sexist.

Or when I confused
two students in my class

of the same race –

look nothing alike –

when I confused them for each other

more than once, in front of everybody.

These kinds of mistakes send us, send me,

into red-zone defensiveness.

They leave us fighting
for that good person identity.

But the latest work that I’ve been doing
on bounded ethicality with Mary Kern

says that we’re not
only prone to mistakes –

that tendency towards mistakes depends
on how close we are to that red zone.

So most of the time, nobody’s challenging
our good person identity,

and so we’re not thinking too much

about the ethical implications
of our decisions,

and our model shows
that we’re then spiraling

towards less and less
ethical behavior most of the time.

On the other hand, somebody
might challenge our identity,

or, upon reflection,
we may be challenging it ourselves.

So the ethical implications
of our decisions become really salient,

and in those cases, we spiral towards
more and more good person behavior,

or, to be more precise,

towards more and more behavior
that makes us feel like a good person,

which isn’t always the same, of course.

The idea with bounded ethicality

is that we are perhaps overestimating

the importance our inner compass
is playing in our ethical decisions.

We perhaps are overestimating
how much our self-interest

is driving our decisions,

and perhaps we don’t realize
how much our self-view as a good person

is affecting our behavior,

that in fact, we’re working so hard
to protect that good person identity,

to keep out of that red zone,

that we’re not actually giving ourselves
space to learn from our mistakes

and actually be better people.

It’s perhaps because
we expect it to be easy.

We have this definition
of good person that’s either-or.

Either you are a good person
or you’re not.

Either you have integrity or you don’t.

Either you are a racist or a sexist
or a homophobe or you’re not.

And in this either-or definition,
there’s no room to grow.

And by the way,

this is not what we do
in most parts of our lives.

Life, if you needed to learn accounting,

you would take an accounting class,

or if you become a parent,

we pick up a book and we read about it.

We talk to experts,

we learn from our mistakes,

we update our knowledge,

we just keep getting better.

But when it comes to being a good person,

we think it’s something
we’re just supposed to know,

we’re just supposed to do,

without the benefit of effort or growth.

So what I’ve been thinking about

is what if we were to just forget
about being good people,

just let it go,

and instead, set a higher standard,

a higher standard
of being a good-ish person?

A good-ish person
absolutely still makes mistakes.

As a good-ish person,
I’m making them all the time.

But as a good-ish person,
I’m trying to learn from them, own them.

I expect them and I go after them.

I understand there are costs
to these mistakes.

When it comes to issues like ethics
and bias and diversity and inclusion,

there are real costs to real people,

and I accept that.

As a good-ish person, in fact,

I become better
at noticing my own mistakes.

I don’t wait for people to point them out.

I practice finding them,

and as a result …

Sure, sometimes it can be embarrassing,

it can be uncomfortable.

We put ourselves
in a vulnerable place, sometimes.

But through all that vulnerability,

just like in everything else
we’ve tried to ever get better at,

we see progress.

We see growth.

We allow ourselves to get better.

Why wouldn’t we give ourselves that?

In every other part of our lives,
we give ourselves room to grow –

except in this one, where it matters most.

Thank you.

(Applause)

译者:Joseph
Geni 审稿人:Krystian

可以说你是一个非常好的人。”

当她后来告诉我这个故事时,

她说她无法相信
这让她感觉如此美好,

这对她来说意义重大。

现在这
似乎是我朋友

对一个完全陌生的人的话的强烈反应,

但她并不孤单。

我是一名社会科学家。

我研究好人的心理学,

我所在领域的研究表明
,我们中的许多人都非常

关心感觉自己是一个好人
并被视为一个好人。

现在,你对“好人”
的定义和你对“好人”

的定义,也许还有出租车司机
对“好人”的定义——

我们可能并不都有相同的定义,

但无论我们的定义是什么

,道德认同
是 对我们许多人来说很重要。

现在,如果有人挑战它,
比如他们问我们讲了一个笑话,

或者我们说
我们的劳动力是同质的,

或者是一个滑溜溜的业务开支,

我们很多时候都会进入红区
防御。

我的意思是,有时我们会提到

我们帮助
边缘化群体的人的所有方式,

或者我们向慈善机构捐款,

或者我们自愿为非营利组织服务的时间。

我们努力
保护好人的身份。

这对我们许多人都很重要。

但如果我告诉你这件事呢?

如果我告诉你,我们
对成为好人

的执着阻碍
了我们成为更好的人怎么办?

如果我告诉你,我们
对“好人”的定义太狭隘了,

在科学上是不可能满足的?

如果我告诉你
成为更好的人的道路

只是从放弃
成为一个好人开始呢?

现在,让我告诉你一些

关于人类思维

如何解释的研究。

大脑依靠捷径
来完成很多工作。

这意味着很多时候,

您的心理过程是在
您的意识之外发生的,

例如在您的脑海中处于低电量、低功耗模式

这实际上
是有限理性的前提。

有限理性
是诺贝尔奖获得者的想法

,即人类大脑
的存储资源

有限,处理能力有限

,因此它依靠捷径
来完成很多工作。

例如,

一些科学家
估计在任何给定的时刻……

更好,更好的点击,对吧? 我们去吧。

(笑声)

在任何特定时刻,

1100 万条信息
都会进入你的脑海。

一千一百万。

其中只有 40 个
被有意识地处理。

所以1100万,40。

我的意思是,你有没有遇到过这种情况?

您是否曾经
在工作中度过了非常忙碌的一天,

然后开车回家

,当您进门时,

您意识到自己甚至不
记得开车回家的路,

例如您是否有
绿灯或红灯。

你甚至都不记得了。
你在自动驾驶仪上。

或者你有没有打开冰箱,

寻找黄油,

发誓没有黄油,

然后意识到黄油
一直就在你面前?

这些是让我们咯咯笑的“呐喊”时刻

,这就是大脑中发生的事情,

它可以处理传入的 1100 万
条信息,

而只有 40 条被有意识地处理。

这就是
有限理性的有限部分。

这项关于有限理性

的工作是
我与合作者

Max Bazerman 和 Mahzarin Banaji 所做的工作的灵感来源

,我们称之为有限道德。

因此,
与有限理性相同的前提是

,我们有一个
以某种方式受限

并依赖于捷径的人类思维,

而这些捷径
有时会导致我们误入歧途。

在有限的理性下,

它可能会影响
我们在杂货店购买的麦片,

或者我们在会议室推出的产品。

在有限的道德规范下,人类的思想

,同样的人类思想,

正在做出决定,

而在这里,它是关于下一个雇用谁,

或者讲什么笑话

或那个狡猾的商业决策。

因此,让我举一个
工作中有限道德的例子。

无意识的偏见是

我们看到
有限道德影响的一个地方。

所以无意识偏见是
指我们在脑海中的联想,

你的大脑
用来组织信息的捷径,

很可能在你的意识之外,

不一定
与你有意识的信念一致。

研究人员 Nosek、Banaji 和 Greenwald

研究
了数百万人的数据

,他们发现,例如,

大多数美国白人比黑人和
好东西更快速、更容易地将

白人和好东西联系起来,

而且大多数男性 与女性和科学相比,女性
可以更快、更容易地将

男性与科学联系起来。

而且这些关联
不一定

与人们有意识的想法一致。 事实上,

他们可能有
非常平等的观点。

所以有时候,那 1100 万
和那 40 只是不排队。

这是另一个例子:

利益冲突。

所以我们倾向于
低估一份小礼物——

想象一支圆珠笔或晚餐——

这个小礼物
对我们决策的影响有多大。

我们没有意识到,我们的大脑
正在无意识地排列证据

来支持
送礼者的观点,

无论我们多么努力地有意识地
努力做到客观和专业。

我们还看到了有限的道德——

尽管我们
渴望成为好人,

但我们仍然会

犯错误,我们犯的错误
有时会伤害他人

,有时会助长不公正,

尽管我们做了最好的尝试

,我们会解释自己的错误
而不是从中吸取教训 他们。

例如,


我收到班上一位女学生的电子邮件时,

说我分配

的阅读,我多年来一直分配的阅读

是性别歧视的。

或者当我把

班上同一个种族的两个学生弄混了——

看起来一点也不像——

当我在所有人面前不止一次把他们弄混的时候

这些错误让我们,让我,

进入红区防守。

他们让我们
为那个好人的身份而战。

但我
与 Mary Kern 在有限道德方面所做的最新研究

表明,我们
不仅容易犯错误——

错误的倾向
取决于我们与那个红色区域的距离有多近。

所以大多数时候,没有人挑战
我们的好人身份

,所以我们并没有过多

考虑我们的决定对道德的影响

,我们的模型表明
,我们大多数时候都在

朝着越来越少的
道德行为发展 .

另一方面,有人
可能会挑战我们的身份,

或者,经过反思,
我们可能会挑战自己。

所以
我们的决定的伦理意义变得非常突出

,在这些情况下,我们会朝着
越来越多的好人行为倾斜,

或者更准确地说,

越来越多的行为
让我们觉得自己是个好人,

这不是 当然,总是一样的。

有限道德的想法

是,我们可能高估

了我们内心的
指南针在我们的道德决策中所起的作用。

我们可能高估
了我们的自我利益

在多大程度上推动了我们的决定

,也许我们没有
意识到我们作为一个好人的自我看法在多大程度上

影响了我们的行为

,事实上,我们正在
努力保护它 良好的人身份

,远离那个红色区域

,我们实际上并没有给自己
空间来从错误中学习

并真正成为更好的人。

这可能是因为
我们希望它很容易。

我们
对好人的定义是非此即彼。

要么你是一个好人,
要么你不是。

你要么有诚信,要么没有。

要么你是种族主义者、性别歧视者
或同性恋者,要么你不是。

在这个非此即彼的定义中,
没有增长的空间。

顺便说一句,

这不是
我们在生活的大部分时间里所做的。

生活,如果你需要学习会计,

你会去上会计课,

或者如果你成为父母,

我们会拿起一本书,我们读一下。

我们与专家交谈,

我们从错误中吸取教训,

我们更新我们的知识,

我们只是不断变得更好。

但是当谈到成为一个好人时,

我们认为这是
我们应该知道的事情,

我们只是应该做的,

没有努力或成长的好处。

所以我一直在想的

是,如果我们
忘记做个好人,

就让它过去

,相反,设定一个更高的标准,

一个
做一个好人的更高标准?

一个好人
绝对还是会犯错误。

作为一个好人,
我一直在制作它们。

但作为一个好人,
我正在努力向他们学习,拥有他们。

我期待他们,我去追他们。

我知道这些错误是有代价的

当谈到道德
、偏见、多样性和包容性等问题时,

真实的人会付出真正的代价

,我接受这一点。

事实上,作为一个好人,

我变得更
善于发现自己的错误。

我不等人们指出来。

我练习寻找它们

,结果……

当然,有时它可能会令人尴尬,

它可能会让人不舒服。 有时,

我们将自己
置于一个脆弱的地方。

但是,通过所有这些漏洞,

就像
我们试图变得更好的其他一切一样,

我们看到了进步。

我们看到了增长。

我们允许自己变得更好。

我们为什么不给自己呢?

在我们生活的其他每一个部分,
我们都会给自己成长的空间——

除了这一点,这是最重要的。

谢谢你。

(掌声)