A plantseye view Michael Pollan

it’s a simple idea about nature and I

want to I want to say a word for nature

because we haven’t talked that much

about it the last couple days I want to

say a word for the soil and the bees the

plants and the animals and tell you

about a tool a very simple tool that I

have found although it’s really nothing

more than a literary conceit it’s not a

technology is very powerful for I think

changing our relationship to the natural

world and to the other species on whom

we depend and that tool is very simply

as Chris suggested looking at us and the

world from the plants or the animals

point of view it’s not my idea other

peoples have hit on it but I’ve tried to

take it to some new places let me tell

you where I got it like a lot of my

ideas like a lot of the tools I use I

found it in the garden I’m a very

devoted gardener and there was a day

about seven years ago I was planting

potatoes it was the first week of May

this is New England when the apple trees

are just vibrating with bloom they’re

just white clouds above I was here

planting my chunks cutting up potatoes

and planting it and the bees were

working on this tree bumblebees just

making this thing vibrate and one of the

things I really like about gardening is

that it doesn’t take all your

concentration you really can’t get hurt

it’s not like woodworking and you can

you have plenty of kind of mental space

for speculation and the question I asked

myself that afternoon in the garden was

working alongside that bumblebee was

what did I and that bumblebee have in

common how was our role in this garden

similar and different and I realized we

actually had quite a bit in common both

of us were disseminating the genes of

one species and not another and both of

us probably if I can imagine the bees

point of view thought we were calling

the shots I had decided what kind of

potato I wanted to plant I picked my

Yukon gold or yellow fin or whatever it

was

and I had some in those jeans from a

seed catalog across the country brought

it and I was planting it and that’d be

no doubt assumed that it had decided I’m

going for that apple tree

I’m going for that blossom I’m going to

get the nectar and I’m going to leave we

have a grammar that suggests that’s who

we are that we are sovereign subjects in

nature the bee as well as me I plant the

potatoes I weed the garden I domesticate

the species but that day it occurred to

me what if that grammar is nothing more

than a self-serving conceit because of

course the bee thinks he’s in charge or

she’s in charge and but we know better

we know that what’s going on between the

B and that flower is that B has been

cleverly manipulated by that flower and

when I say manipulated I’m talking about

in Darwinian sense right I mean it has

evolved a very specific set of traits

color scent flavor pattern that has

lured that B in and the B has been

cleverly fooled into taking the nectar

and also picking up some powder on its

leg and going off to the next blossom B

is not calling the shots and I realized

then I wasn’t either I had been seduced

by that potato and not another into

planting its into spreading its genes

give me a little bit more habitat and

that’s when I got the idea which was

what would it be what would happen if we

kind of looked at us from this point of

view of these other species who were

working on us and agriculture suddenly

appeared to me not as an invention not

as a human technology but as a

co-evolutionary development in which a

group of very clever species mostly

edible grasses had exploited us figured

out how to get us to basically DeForest

the world the competition of grasses

right and suddenly everything looked

different

and suddenly mowing the lawn that day

was a completely different experience I

had thought always and in fact had

written this in my first book was a book

about gardening that lawns were nature

under cultures but– that they were

totalitarian landscapes and that when we

mowed them we were

cruelly suppressing this species and

never letting it set seed or die or have

sex and and that’s what the lawn was but

then I realize no this is exactly what

the grasses want us to do I’m a dupe I’m

a dupe of the lawns whose goal in life

is to out-compete the trees who it

competes with who they compete with for

sunlight and so by getting us to mow the

lawn we keep the trees from coming back

which in in New England happens very

very quickly so I started looking at

things this way and wrote a whole book

about it called the bottom desire and I

realized that in the same way you can

look at a flower and deduce all sorts of

interesting things about the tastes and

the desires of bees that they like

sweetness that they like this color and

not that color that they like symmetry

what could we find out about ourselves

by doing the same thing that a certain

kind of potato a certain kind of drug a

sativa indica cannabis cross has

something to say about us and that

wouldn’t this be kind of an interesting

way to look at the world now the test of

any idea I said it was a literary

conceit is what does it get us and when

you’re talking about nature which is

really my subject as a writer how does

it meet the Aldo Leopold test which is

does it make us better citizens of the

biotic community get us to do things

that leads to the support and

perpetuation of the biota rather than

its destruction and I would submit that

this idea does this so let me go through

what you gain when you look at the world

this way besides some you know

entertaining insights about about human

desire as an intellectual matter looking

at the world from other species points

of view helps us deal with this weird

anomaly which is intellection this is in

the realm of intellectual history which

is that we had this Darwinian revolution

150 years ago

mini-me

we have this intellectual referal this

Darwinian revolution in which thanks to

Darwin we figured out we are just one

species among many evolutions working on

us the same way it’s working on all the

others we are acted upon as well as

acting we are really in the fiber of the

fabric of life but the weird thing is we

don’t we have not absorbed this lesson

150 years later none of us really

believes this we are still Cartesians

the children of Descartes who believe

that subjectivity consciousness sets us

apart that the world is divided into

subjects and objects that there is

nature on one side culture on another as

soon as you start seeing things from the

plan’s point of view or the animals

point of view you realize that the real

literary conceit is that is this the

idea that nature is opposed to culture

the idea that that that consciousness is

everything and that’s another very

important thing it does looking at the

world from other species points of view

is a cure for the disease of human

self-importance you suddenly realize

that consciousness which we value and we

consider the you know the crown of the

crowning achievement of nature human

consciousness is really just another set

of tools for getting along in the world

and it’s kind of natural that we would

think it was the best tool but you know

there’s a comedian who said well who’s

telling me that consciousness is so good

and so important well

consciousness so when you look at the

plants you realize that there are other

tools and they’re just as interesting

I’ll give you two examples also from the

garden lima beans you know what a lima

bean does when it’s attacked by spider

mites it releases this volatile chemical

that goes out into the world and summons

another species of mic that comes in and

attacks the spider mite defending the

lima bean

so what plants have while we have

consciousness tool-making language they

have biochemistry and they have

perfected that to a degree far beyond

can imagine and their complexity their

sophistication is something to really

marvel at and I think it’s really the

scandal of the human genome project you

know we went into it thinking forty or

fifty thousand human genes we came out

with the only twenty three thousand just

to give you a grounds for comparison

rice 35,000 genes so who’s the more

sophisticated species well we’re all

equally sophisticated we’ve been

involving evolving just as long just

along different paths so cure for

self-importance weight of sort of make

us feel the Darwinian idea and that’s

really what I do as a writer as a

storyteller is try to make people kind

of feel what we know and tell stories

that actually make us help us think

ecologically now the other use of this

is practical and I’m in tucked I’m going

to take you to a farm right now as I use

this idea to develop my understanding of

the food system and what I learned in

fact is that we are all now being

manipulated by corn and the talk you

heard about ethanol earlier today to me

is the final triumph of corn over good

sense

it is part of corns corn scheme for

world domination and you will see the

amount of corn planted this year will be

up dramatically from last year and there

will be that much more habitat because

we’ve decided ethanol is going to help

us so but let me so it helped me

understand industrial agriculture which

of course is a Cartesian system it’s

based on this idea that we Bend other

species to our will and that we are in

charge and then we create these

factories and we have these

technological inputs and we get the food

out of it or the fuel or whatever we

want let me take you to a very different

kind of farm this is farm in the

Shenandoah Valley of Virginia I went

looking for a farm where these ideas

about looking at things from the species

point of view are actually implemented

and I found it in a man the farmers name

is Joel Salatin and I spent a week as an

apprentice on his farm and I took away

from this some of the most hopeful news

about our relationship to nature that

I’ve ever come across in 25 years of

writing about nature and that is this

the farm is called Polyface which means

the idea is he’s got six different

species of animals as well as some

plants growing in this very elaborate

symbiotic arrangement it’s permaculture

those of you know a little bit about

this such that the cows and the pigs and

the em and the sheep and the turkeys and

the what else what else does he have all

the six different species rabbits

actually are all performing ecological

services for one another such that the

manure of one is the lunch for the other

and they take care of pests for one

another and I can’t it’s a very

elaborate and beautiful dance but I’m

going to just give you a close-up on one

piece of it and that is the relationship

between his cattle and his chickens his

laying hens and I’ll show you how if you

take this approach what you get okay and

this is a lot more than growing food as

you’ll see this is a different way to

think about nature and a way to get away

from the zero-sum notion that the

Cartesian idea that either nature’s

winning or we’re winning and that for us

to get what we want

nature is diminished so one day cattle

in a pen the only technology involved

here is this cheap electric fencing

relatively new

up to a car battery even I could carry a

quarter-acre paddock set it up in 15

minutes

cows graze one day they move okay

they graze everything down intensive

intensive grazing he waits three days

and then we towed in something called

the egg mobile the egg mobile is a very

rickety contraption it looks like a

Prairie schooner made out of boards but

it houses 350 chickens he tows this into

the paddock three days later and opens

the gangplank turns them down and 350

hens come streaming down the gangplank

clucking gossiping as chickens will and

they make a beeline for the cow patties

and what they’re doing is very

interesting

they’re digging through the cow patties

for the maggots the grub the larvae of

flies and the reason he’s waited three

days is because he knows that on the

fourth day or the fifth day those larvae

will hatch and he’ll have a huge fly

problem but he waits that long to grow

them as big and juicy and tasty as he

can because they are the chickens

favorite form of protein so the chickens

do their kind of little breakdance and

there they’re pushing around the manure

to get at the grubs and in the process

they’re spreading the manure out very

useful at second echo system service and

third while they’re in this paddock

there are of course defecating madly and

and they’re very nitrogenous manure is

fertilizing this field they then move

out to the next one and in the course of

just a few weeks the grass just enters

his blaze of growth and within four or

five weeks he can do it again he can

graze again you can cut they could bring

in another species like the Lambs or he

can um make hay for the winter now I

want you to just look really close up

onto what’s happened there so it’s a

very productive system and what I need

to tell you is that on a hundred acres

he gets 40,000 pounds of beef 30,000

pounds of pork 25,000 dozen eggs 20,000

boilers a thousand turkeys a thousand

rabbits an immense amount of food you

know you here can organic feed the world

well look how much food

can produce on 100 acres if you do this

kind of again give each species what it

want let it really realize its desires

its physiological distinctiveness put

that in play but look at it from the

point of view of the grass now what

happens to the grass when you do this

when a ruminant grazes grass the grass

is cut from this height to this height

and it immediately does something very

interesting anyone of you who Gardens

knows that there is something called the

root shoot ratio and plants need to keep

the root mass in some rough balance with

the leaf mass to be happy so when they

lose a lot of leaf mass they shed roots

they kind of cauterize them and the

roots die and the species in the soil go

to work basically chewing through those

roots decomposing them the earthworms

the fungi the bacteria and the result is

new soil this is how soil is created

it’s created from the bottom up this is

how the prairies were built the

relationship between bison and grasses

and what I realized when I understood

this and if you ask Joel Salatin what he

is he’ll tell you he’s not a chicken

farmer he’s not a sheep farmer he’s not

a cattle rancher he’s a grass farmer

because grass is really the keystone

species of such a system is that if you

think about it this completely

contradicts the tragic idea of nature we

hold in our heads which is that for us

to get what we want nature is diminished

more for us less for nature here all

this food comes off this farm and at the

end of the season there is actually more

soil more fertility and more

biodiversity it’s a remarkably hopeful

thing to do there are a lot of farmers

doing this today this is well beyond

organic agriculture which is still a

Cartesian system more or less and what

it tells you is that if you begin to

take account of other species take

account of the soil that even with with

enough

more than this perspectival idea because

there is no technology involved here

except for those fences which could be

you know they’re so cheap they could be

all over Africa in no time that you can

we can take the food we need from the

earth and actually heal the earth in the

process this this is a way to reanimate

the world and that’s what’s so exciting

about this perspective when we really

begin to feel darwin’s insights in our

bones the things we can do with nothing

more than these ideas are something to

be very helpful about thank you very

much

这是一个关于自然的简单概念,

我想为自然说一句话,

因为过去几天我们还没有谈论太多

,我想

为土壤、蜜蜂、

植物和动物说一句话 告诉

你一个工具我发现的一个非常简单的工具

虽然它实际上

只不过是一种文学自负它不是一项

技术非常强大因为我认为

改变我们与自然

世界以及我们依赖的其他物种的关系

以及 工具非常简单,

正如 Chris 建议的那样,

从植物或动物的

角度

来看我们和世界

就像我的很多

想法一样 我使用的很多工具 我

在花园里找到了 我是一个非常

忠诚的园丁

大约七年前有一天我在种

土豆 那是五月的第一周

是新英格兰,当时

苹果树刚刚长成 v 与花朵一起颤抖 他们

只是上面的白云 我在这里

种植我的大块 切土豆

并种植它 蜜蜂

在这棵树上工作 大黄蜂只是

让这东西振动

我真正喜欢园艺的一件事

是它不会

不要全神贯注,你真的不会受伤

它不像木工,你

可以有足够的精神空间

进行猜测

,那天下午我在花园里

和那只大黄蜂一起工作时问自己的问题是

我做了什么 那只大黄蜂有一个

共同点,我们在这个花园中的角色是

相似的还是不同

的 蜜蜂

的观点认为我们

在做主我已经决定了

我想种

什么样的土豆 来自

全国各地的种子目录的人带来了

它,我正在种植它,

毫无疑问,它已经决定我

要去那棵苹果树

我要去那朵花我

要去采花蜜 我要离开了,我们

有一个语法,它

表明我们是谁 我们是

自然界中的主权主体 蜜蜂和我一样 我种

土豆 我在花园里除草 我驯化

了这个物种 但那天

我突然想到了什么 如果这种语法只不过是

一种自私的自负,因为

蜜蜂当然认为他负责或

她负责,但我们更

清楚,我们知道 B 和那朵花之间发生的事情

是 B 已被

巧妙地操纵 那朵花,

当我说被操纵时,我说的

是达尔文意义上的对,我的意思是它已经

进化出一组非常特殊的特征,

颜色气味味道模式,已经

引诱 B 进来,而 B 被

巧妙地愚弄,接受了花蜜

,而且 拿起一些粉末 呃在它的

腿上去下一朵花 B

不是发号施令,我

意识到我不是我

被那个马铃薯引诱而不是另一个

种植它来传播它的基因

给我更多的栖息地

就在那时我有了一个想法,

如果

我们从

这些其他

正在为我们工作的物种的角度来看我们会发生什么,而农业突然

在我看来不是一项发明,而

不是一项 人类技术,但作为

共同进化的发展,

一群非常聪明的物种(主要是

可食用的草)利用了我们,他们想出

了如何让我们从根本

上消除世界上的草的竞争

,突然一切看起来都

不同了

,突然修剪草坪 那天

是完全不同的经历,我

一直认为,事实上

在我的第一本书中写了这本书是一本

关于园艺的书,

草坪是文化下的自然,但是——它们是

极权主义的景观,当我们

修剪它们时,我们

残忍地压制了这个物种,

从不让它播种、死亡或发生

性关系,这就是草坪,但

后来我意识到,这

正是草想要我们做的我是 一个骗子我

是草坪的骗子,他们的人生目标

是战胜与它竞争的树木,

与谁竞争

阳光,因此通过让我们修剪

草坪,我们可以防止树木

回来 新英格兰发生得

非常快,所以我开始用

这种方式看待事物,并为此写了一整

本书,名为《最底层的欲望》,我

意识到同样的方式,你可以

看着一朵花,推断出各种

关于味道和趣味的有趣事物。

蜜蜂的欲望 他们喜欢

甜味 他们喜欢这种颜色而

不是那种颜色 他们喜欢对称

我们可以

通过做同样的事情来了解我们自己

某种马铃薯 某种药物

苜蓿 ca 纳比斯·克罗斯

对我们有话要说,

这不是一种有趣

的看待世界的方式现在对

我所说的任何想法的考验是文学

自负是什么让我们和当

你说话的时候 关于自然这

真的是我作为作家的主题

它如何满足奥尔多利奥波德测试

它是否让我们成为更好的

生物社区公民让我们做

一些导致

生物群支持和延续而

不是破坏的事情 我会提出

这个想法就是这样做的,所以让我来

看看你以这种方式看待世界时所获得的东西,

除了一些你知道的

关于人类

欲望的有趣见解作为

从其他物种

的角度看待世界的知识问题有助于我们 处理这种奇怪的

异常现象,即智力,这是

在知识史领域,

即我们在 150 年前进行了这场达尔文革命——

迷你我,

我们有这个智力参考,这个

达尔文革命 多亏了

达尔文,我们才发现我们只是

众多进化中的一个物种

奇怪的是我们

没有

150 年后

我们还没有吸收

这个教训

一方面是自然 一方面是文化

当你开始从

计划的角度或动物的

角度看待事物时,你就会意识到真正的

文学自负就是这

就是自然与文化对立

的想法 意识就是

一切,这是另一件非常

重要的事情,它

从其他物种的角度看待世界

是治疗人类自我重要性疾病的方法,

你突然

意识到我们重视的意识,我们

认为你知道

自然人类意识的最高成就的皇冠

实际上只是另一套

在世界上相处的工具

,我们

认为它是最好的工具是很自然的 但是你知道

有一个喜剧演员说得很好,他

告诉我意识是如此的

好,如此重要,

所以当你看到

植物时,你会意识到还有其他

工具,它们同样有趣。

我给你举两个例子 也从

花园里的利马豆你知道利马

豆在被红蜘蛛攻击时会做什么

它会释放出这种挥发性化学

物质进入世界并召唤

另一种麦克风进入并

攻击保卫

利马豆的红蜘蛛

那又怎样 当我们有

意识时,植物有制造工具的语言,它们

有生物化学,它们已经将其

完善到远远超出想象的程度

,它们的复杂性 继承人的

成熟度确实令人

惊叹,我认为这确实

是人类基因组计划的丑闻,你

知道我们考虑了四万或

五万个人类基因,我们得出

了仅有的两万三千个基因,只是

为了给你一个比较的理由

水稻 35,000 个基因 所以谁是更

复杂的物种 那么我们都

同样复杂 我们一直在

沿着不同的路径进化所以治愈

自我重要性的重量让

我们感受到达尔文的想法,这

就是我真正想要的 作为一个作家作为一个

讲故事的人,试图让

人们感受到我们所知道的,并讲述

那些实际上让我们帮助我们从生态学角度思考的故事。

现在去一个农场,因为我用

这个想法来加深我

对食物系统的理解,事实上我学到的

是,我们现在都

被玉米和你

早先听到的关于乙醇的谈话所操纵 呃,今天对我

来说是玉米战胜理智的最后胜利,

它是玉米统治世界的玉米计划的一部分

,你会看到

今年种植的玉米数量

将比去年大幅增加,并且

会有更多的栖息地,因为

我们已经决定乙醇会帮助

我们,但让我这样吧,它帮助我

理解工业化农业,

这当然是一个笛卡尔系统,它

基于这样一个想法,即我们让其他

物种屈服于我们的意志,我们

负责,然后我们 创建这些

工厂,我们拥有这些

技术投入,我们从中获取

食物或燃料或任何我们

想要的东西让我带你去一个非常

不同的农场,这是

弗吉尼亚谢南多厄山谷的农场我去

寻找一个农场 这些

从物种的

角度看待事物的想法实际上得到了实施

,我在一个名叫乔尔·萨拉丁的农民身上找到了它

,我

在他的农场做了一周的学徒,我

从 这是

关于我们与自然的关系的一些最有希望的消息,这是

我在 25 年

的自然写作中所遇到的,这就是

这个农场被称为 Polyface,这意味着

这个想法是他有六种不同

的动物以及 一些

植物以这种非常精细的

共生方式生长,这是永续农业

,你们中的一些人对此略知一二,

例如牛、猪

、羊、羊和火鸡,

还有什么他拥有

所有六种不同的物种 兔子

实际上都在

为彼此提供生态服务,其中一只的

粪便是另一只的午餐

,它们互相照顾害虫

,我不能这是一个非常

精致和美丽的舞蹈,但

我只想 给你一个特写镜头

,那就是

他的牛和他的鸡和他的蛋鸡之间的关系

,我会告诉你如果你

采用这种方法,你会得到什么,

这是很多mo 与种植食物相比

,这是一种不同的

思考自然的方式,也是一种

摆脱零和观念的方式,即

笛卡尔认为要么自然

获胜,要么我们获胜,让

我们得到什么 我们希望

自然减少,所以有一天牛

在围栏里这里涉及的唯一技术

是这种便宜的电动围栏

相对较

新的汽车电池即使我可以携带

四分之一英亩的围场在 15 分钟内设置好

奶牛在它们移动的一天吃草 好吧,

他们把所有的东西都放了下来 密集的

密集的放牧 他等了三天

,然后我们拖了一个

叫做鸡蛋车的东西 鸡蛋车是一个非常

摇摇晃晃的装置 它看起来像用

木板制成的大草原纵帆船,但

里面有 350 只鸡 他把它拖进

了 三天后围场

打开跳板把它们拒之门外,350

只母鸡从跳板上流下来,

像鸡一样咕咕叫,

它们直奔牛肉饼

,它们正在做的是 非常

有趣,

他们在牛饼里挖

蛆虫,蛆虫,苍蝇幼虫,

他等了三天的原因

是因为他知道在

第四天或第五天,这些幼虫

会孵化,他会有一个巨大的 苍蝇

问题,但他等了那么久才把

它们长得又大又多汁又好吃

,因为它们是鸡

最喜欢的蛋白质形式,所以鸡

会跳他们那种小霹雳舞,

然后它们会推着粪堆

去吃 蛴螬,在此过程中,

它们将粪便撒

在第二个回声系统服务中非常有用,

第三个,当它们在这个围场

时,它们当然会疯狂地排便,

而且它们的含氮量很高

到下一个,在

短短几周内,草就进入

了他的生长火焰,在四

五个星期内,他可以再次这样做,他可以

再次放牧,您可以割草,他们可以

引进另一个物种,例如 羔羊,或者他

现在可以为冬天做干草了

30,000

磅猪肉 25,000 打鸡蛋 20,000 个

锅炉 1000 只火鸡 1000

只兔子 大量的食物 你

知道你在这里可以有机地养活

世界 看看

如果你再次这样做的话,100 英亩土地上可以生产多少食物

给每个物种什么 它

想让它真正实现它的欲望

它的生理独特

性让它发挥作用 但是现在从草的角度来看它

当你这样做时草会发生什么

当反刍动物吃草时 草

从这个高度被切割到 这个高度

,它立即做了一些非常

有趣的事情,任何花园都

知道有一种叫做

根茎比的东西,植物需要

保持根质量

与 叶子质量是快乐的,所以当它们

失去很多叶子质量时,它们会脱落根部,

它们会烧灼它们,

根部会死亡,土壤中的物种

开始工作,基本上咀嚼这些

根部,分解它们,

蚯蚓,真菌,细菌和 结果是

新的土壤 这就是土壤是如何产生的

它是自下而上创建的 这是

草原是如何建立的

野牛和草之间的关系

当我理解这一点时我意识到

如果你问乔尔·萨拉丁他

是什么他会告诉 你他不是养鸡人

他不是养羊人 他

不是养牛场 他是牧草人

因为草确实

是这样一个系统

关键物种 就是我们

要得到我们想要的自然

对我们来说减少了更多自然对这里所有

的食物都来自这个农场,在

季节结束时实际上有更多的

土壤更肥沃 灵活性和更多的

生物多样性 这是一件非常有希望的

事情 今天有很多农民

这样做 这远远超出了

有机农业,它或多或少仍然是一个

笛卡尔系统,

它告诉你的是,如果你开始

考虑其他 物种

考虑到土壤,即使有

足够

多的远景想法,因为

这里没有涉及任何技术,

除了那些

你可能知道的栅栏它们是如此便宜,它们可能很快就会

遍布非洲,你可以

我们 可以从地球上获取我们需要的食物,

并在此过程中真正治愈地球

这是一种使世界恢复

活力的方式

,当我们真正

开始在我们的骨骼中感受到达尔文的洞察力时,这就是这种观点令人兴奋的地方,

我们可以做的事情 仅此

而已,这些想法

对您很有帮助,非常感谢