Erika Cheung Theranos whistleblowing and speaking truth to power TED
Transcriber: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Krystian Aparta
So, I had graduated
seven years ago from Berkeley
with a dual degree in molecular
and cell biology and linguistics,
and I had gone to a career fair
here on campus,
where I’d gotten an interview
with a start-up called Theranos.
And at the time,
there wasn’t really that much
information about the company,
but the little that was there
was really impressive.
Essentially, what the company
was doing was creating a medical device
where you would be able
to run your entire blood panel
on a finger-stick of blood.
So you wouldn’t have to get
a big needle stuck in your arm
in order to get your blood test done.
So this was interesting
not only because it was less painful,
but also, it could potentially
open the door to predictive diagnostics.
If you had a device
that allowed for more frequent
and continuous diagnosis,
potentially, you could diagnose disease
before someone got sick.
And this was confirmed in an interview
that the founder, Elizabeth Holmes,
had said in the Wall Street Journal.
“The reality within
our health-care system today
is that when someone
you care about gets really sick,
by the time you find out
it’s [most often] too late
to do anything about it,
It’s heartbreaking.”
This was a moon shot
that I really wanted to be a part of
and I really wanted to help build.
And there was another reason
why I think the story of Elizabeth
really appealed to me.
So there was a time
that someone had said to me,
“Erika, there are two types of people.
There are those that thrive
and those that survive.
And you, my dear, are a survivor.”
Before I went to university,
I had grown up in a one-bedroom trailer
with my six family members,
and when I told people
I wanted to go to Berkeley,
they would say, “Well, I want
to be an astronaut, so good luck.”
And I stuck with it, and I worked hard,
and I managed to get in.
But honestly, my first year
was very challenging.
I was the victim of a series of crimes.
I was robbed at gunpoint,
I was sexually assaulted,
and I was sexually assaulted a third time,
spurring on very severe panic attacks,
where I was failing my classes,
and I dropped out of school.
And at this moment, people had said to me,
“Erika, maybe you’re not cut out
for the sciences.
Maybe you should reconsider
doing something else.”
And I told myself, “You know what?
If I don’t make the cut,
I don’t make the cut,
but I cannot give up on myself,
and I’m going to go for this,
and even if I’m not the best for it,
I’m going to try and make it happen.”
And luckily, I stuck with it,
and I got the degree, and I graduated.
(Applause and cheers)
Thank you.
(Applause)
So when I heard Elizabeth Holmes
had dropped out of Stanford at age 19
to start this company,
and it was being quite successful,
to me, it was a signal
of, you know, it didn’t matter
what your background was.
As long as you committed
to hard work and intelligence,
that was enough to make
an impact in the world.
And this was something,
for me, personally,
that I had to believe in my life,
because it was one of the few
anchors that I had had
that got me through the day.
So you can imagine,
when I received this letter,
I was so excited.
I was over the moon.
This was finally my opportunity
to contribute to society,
to solve the problems
that I had seen in the world,
and really, when I thought about Theranos,
I really anticipated
that this would be the first
and the last company
that I was going to work for.
But I started to notice some problems.
So, I started off as
an entry-level associate in the lab.
And we would be sitting in a lab meeting,
reviewing data to confirm
whether the technology worked or not,
and we’d get datasets like this,
and someone would say to me,
“Well, let’s get rid of the outlier
and see how that affects
the accuracy rate.”
So what constitutes an outlier here?
Which one is the outlier?
And the answer is, you have no idea.
You don’t know. Right?
And deleting a data point
is really violating one of the things
that I found so beautiful
about the scientific process –
it really allows the data
to reveal the truth to you.
And as tempting as it might be
in certain scenarios
to place your story on the data
to confirm your own narrative,
when you do this, it has really bad
future consequences.
So this, to me, was almost
immediately a red flag,
and it kind of folded in
to the next experience
and the next red flag
that I started to see
within the clinical laboratory.
So a clinical laboratory
is where you actively process
patient samples.
And so before I would run
a patient’s sample,
I would have a sample
where I knew what the concentration was,
and in this case, it was 0.2 for tPSA,
which is an indicator
of whether someone has prostate cancer,
or is at risk of prostate cancer or not.
But then, when I’d run it
in the Theranos device,
it would come out 8.9,
and then I’d run it again,
and it would run out 5.1,
and I would run it again,
and it would come out 0.5,
which is technically in range,
but what do you do in this scenario?
What is the accurate answer?
And this wasn’t an instance
that I was seeing just one-off.
This was happening nearly every day,
across so many different tests.
And mind you, this is for a sample
where I know what the concentration is.
What happens when I don’t know
what the concentration is,
like with a patient sample?
How am I supposed to trust
what the result is, at that point?
So this led to, sort of,
the last and final red flag for me,
and this is when we were doing testing,
in order to confirm and certify
whether we could continue
processing patient samples.
So what regulators will do
is they’ll give you a sample,
and they’ll say, “Run this sample,
just like the quality control,
through your normal workflow,
how you normally test on patients,
and then give us the results,
and we will tell you:
do you pass, or do you fail.”
So because we were seeing
so many issues with the Theranos device
that was actively being used
to test on patients,
what we had done
is we had taken the sample
and we had run it
through an FDA-approved machine
and we had run it
through the Theranos device.
And guess what happened?
We got two very, very different results.
So what do you think
they did in this scenario?
You would anticipate
that you would tell the regulators,
like, “We have some discrepancies here
with this new technology.”
But instead, Theranos had sent the result
of the FDA-approved machine.
So what does this signal to you?
This signals to you
that even within your own organization,
you don’t trust the results
that your technology is producing.
So how do we have any business
running patient samples
on this particular machine?
So of course, you know,
I am a recent grad,
I have, at this point,
run all these different experiments,
I’ve compiled all this evidence,
and I’d gone into the office of the COO
and I was raising my concerns.
“Within the lab, we’re seeing
a lot of variability.
The accuracy rate doesn’t seem right.
I don’t feel right
about testing on patients.
These things, I’m just
not comfortable with.”
And the response I got back is,
“You don’t know
what you’re talking about.”
What you need to do
is what I’m paying you to do,
and you need to process patient samples."
So that night, I called up
a colleague of mine
who I had befriended
within the organization, Tyler Shultz,
who also happened to have a grandfather
who was on the Board of Directors.
And so we had decided
to go to his grandfather’s house
and tell him, at dinner,
what the company
was telling him was going on
was actually not what was happening
behind closed doors.
And not to mention,
Tyler’s grandfather was George Schultz,
the ex-secretary of state
of the United States.
So you can imagine me
as a 20-something-year-old
just shaking, like, “What are you
getting yourself into?”
But we had sat down
at his dinner table and said,
“When you think that they’ve taken
this blood sample
and they put it in this device,
and it pops out a result,
what’s really happening is the moment
you step outside of the room,
they take that blood sample,
they run it to a back door,
and there are five people on standby
that are taking this tiny blood sample
and splitting it amongst
five different machines.”
And he says to us,
“I know Tyler’s very smart,
you seem very smart,
but the fact of the matter is I’ve brought
in a wealth of intelligent people,
and they tell me that this device
is going to revolutionize health care.
And so maybe you should consider
doing something else.”
So this had gone through a period
of about seven months,
and I decided to quit that very next day.
And this –
(Applause and cheers)
But this was a moment
that I had to sit with myself
and do a bit of a mental health check.
I’d raised concerns in the lab.
I’d raised concerns with the COO.
I had raised concerns with a board member.
And meanwhile,
Elizabeth is on the cover
of every major magazine across America.
So there’s one common thread here,
and that’s me.
Maybe I’m the problem?
Maybe there’s something
that I’m not seeing?
Maybe I’m the crazy one.
And this is the part in my story
where I really get lucky.
I was approached
by a very talented journalist,
John Carreyrou
from the Wall Street Journal, and he –
And he had basically said
that he also had heard concerns
about the company
from other people in the industry
and working for the company.
And in that moment, it clicked in my head:
“Erika, you are not crazy.
You’re not the crazy one.
In fact, there are other people
out there just like you
that are just as scared of coming forward,
but see the same problems
and the same concerns that you do.”
So before John’s exposé
and investigative report had come out
to reveal the truth
of what was going on in the company,
the company decided to go on a witch hunt
for all sorts of former employees,
myself included,
to basically intimidate us from coming
forward or talking to one another.
And the scary thing,
really, for me in this instance
was the fact that it triggered,
and I realized that they were following me
once I received this letter,
but it was also, in a way,
a bit of a blessing,
because it forced me to call a lawyer.
And I was lucky enough –
I called a free lawyer,
but he had suggested,
“Why don’t you report
to a regulatory agency?”
And this was something
that didn’t even click in my head,
probably because I was so inexperienced,
but once that happened,
that’s exactly what I did.
I had decided to write a letter,
and a complaint letter, to regulators,
illustrating all the deficiencies
and the problems that I had seen
in the laboratory.
And as endearingly as my dad
kind of notes this
as being my, like, dragon-slayer moment,
where I had risen up
and fought this behemoth
and it caused this domino effect,
I can tell you right now,
I felt anything but courageous.
I was scared, I was terrified,
I was anxious,
I was ashamed, slightly,
that it took me a month
to write the letter.
There was a glimmer of hope in there
that maybe somehow
no one would ever figure out
that it was me.
But despite all that emotion
and all that volatility,
I still did it,
and luckily, it triggered an investigation
that shown to light
that there were huge
deficiencies in the lab,
and it stopped Theranos
from processing patient samples.
(Applause)
So you would hope,
going through a very challenging
and crazy situation like this,
that I would be able
to sort of culminate some how-tos
or recipe for success for other people
that are in this situation.
But frankly, when it comes
to situations like this,
the only quote that kind of gets it right
is this Mike Tyson quote that says,
“Everyone has a plan
until you get punched in the mouth.”
(Laughter)
And that’s exactly how this is.
But today, you know,
we’re here to kind of
convene on moon shots,
and moon shots are these highly
innovative projects
that are very ambitious,
that everyone wants to believe in.
But what happens
when the vision is so compelling
and the desire to believe is so strong
that it starts to cloud your judgment
about what reality is?
And particularly
when these innovative projects
start to be a detriment to society,
what are the mechanisms in place
in which we can prevent
these potential consequences?
And really, in my mind,
the simplest way to do that
is to foster stronger cultures
of people who speak up
and listening to those who speak up.
So now the big question is,
how do we make speaking up the norm
and not the exception?
(Applause and cheers)
So luckily, in my own experience,
I realized that when it comes
to speaking up,
the action tends to be
pretty straightforward in most cases,
but the hard part is really deciding
whether to act or not.
So how do we frame our decisions
in a way that makes it
easier for us to act
and produce more ethical outcomes?
So UC San Diego came up
with this excellent framework
called the “Three Cs,”
and it’s called commitment,
consciousness and competency.
And commitment is the desire
to do the right thing
regardless of the cost.
In my case at Theranos,
if I was wrong,
I was going to have
to pay the consequences.
But if I was right,
the fact that I could have been a person
that knew what was going on
and didn’t say something,
that was purgatory.
Being silent was purgatory.
Then there’s consciousness,
the awareness to act consistently
and apply moral convictions
to daily behavior,
behavior.
And the third aspect is competency.
And competency is the ability
to collect and evaluate information
and foresee potential
consequences and risk.
And the reason I could trust my competency
was because I was acting
in service of others.
So I think a simple process
is really taking those actions
and imagining,
“If this happened to my children,
to my parents,
to my spouse,
to my neighbors, to my community,
if I took that …
How will it be remembered?”
And with that,
I hope, as we all leave here
and venture off
to build our own moon shots,
we don’t just conceptualize them,
in a way, as a means
for people to survive
but really see them as opportunities
and chances for everybody to thrive.
Thank you.
(Applause and cheers)