How the US should use its superpower status Ian Bremmer

When you come to TEDx,
you always think about technology,

the world changing,
becoming more innovative.

You think about the driverless.

Everyone’s talking
about driverless cars these days,

and I love the concept
of a driverless car,

but when I go in one, you know,

I want it really slow,

I want access to the steering wheel
and the brake, just in case.

I don’t know about you,
but I am not ready for a driverless bus.

I am not ready for a driverless airplane.

How about a driverless world?

And I ask you that

because we are increasingly in one.

It’s not supposed to be that way.

We’re number one,

the United States is large and in charge.

Americanization and globalization
for the last several generations

have basically been the same thing.

Right? Whether it’s
the World Trade Organization

or it’s the IMF, the World Bank,

the Bretton Woods Accord on currency,

these were American institutions,

our values, our friends, our allies,
our money, our standards.

That was the way the world worked.

So it’s sort of interesting,
if you want to look at how the US looks,

here it is.

This is our view of how the world is run.

President Obama has got the red carpet,

he goes down Air Force One,

and it feels pretty good,
it feels pretty comfortable.

Well, I don’t know how many of you
saw the China trip last week

and the G20.

Oh my God. Right?

This is how we landed

for the most important meeting
of the world’s leaders in China.

The National Security Advisor
was actually spewing expletives

on the tarmac –

no red carpet,

kind of left out the bottom of the plane

along with all the media
and everybody else.

Later on in the G20,

well, there’s Obama.

(Laughter)

Hi, George.

Hi, Norman.

They look like they’re
about to get into a cage match, right?

And they did. It was 90 minutes long,
and they talked about Syria.

That’s what Putin wanted to talk about.

He’s increasingly calling the shots.

He’s the one willing to do stuff there.

There’s not a lot of mutual like or trust,

but it’s not as if the Americans
are telling him what to do.

How about when the whole 20
are getting together?

Surely, when the leaders are all onstage,

then the Americans
are pulling their weight.

Uh-oh.

(Laughter)

Xi Jinping seems fine.

Angela Merkel has – she always does –

that look, she always does that.

But Putin is telling
Turkish president Erdogan what to do,

and Obama is like,
what’s going on over there?

You see. And the problem is
it’s not a G20,

the problem is

it’s a G-Zero world that we live in,

a world order where there is
no single country or alliance

that can meet the challenges
of global leadership.

The G20 doesn’t work,

the G7, all of our friends,
that’s history.

So globalization is continuing.

Goods and services and people
and capital are moving across borders

faster and faster than ever before,

but Americanization is not.

So if I’ve convinced you of that,

I want to do two things
with the rest of this talk.

I want to talk
about the implications of that

for the whole world.

I’ll go around it.

And then I want to talk about

what we think right here

in the United States and in New York.

So why? What are the implications.
Why are we here?

Well, we’re here

because the United States,

we spent two trillion dollars
on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

that were failed.

We don’t want to do that anymore.

We have large numbers
of middle and working classes

that feel like they’ve not benefited
from promises of globalization,

so they don’t want to see it particularly.

And we have an energy revolution

where we don’t need OPEC
or the Middle East the way we used to.

We produce all that right here
in the United States.

So the Americans don’t want
to be the global sheriff for security

or the architect of global trade.

The Americans don’t want to even be
the cheerleader of global values.

Well, then you look to Europe,

and the most important
alliance in the world

has been the transatlantic relationship.

But it is now weaker than it has been
at any point since World War II,

all of the crises,
the Brexit conversations,

the hedging going on
between the French and the Russians,

or the Germans and the Turks,
or the Brits and the Chinese.

China does want to do more leadership.

They do, but only in the economic sphere,

and they want their own values,
standards, currency,

in competition with that of the US.

The Russians want to do more leadership.

You see that in Ukraine,

in the Baltic states, in the Middle East,

but not with the Americans.

They want their own preferences and order.

That’s why we are where we are.

So what happens going forward?

Let’s start easy,

with the Middle East.

(Laughter)

You know, I left a little out,

but you get the general idea.

Look, there are three reasons

why the Middle East
has had stability such as it is. Right?

One is because there was
a willingness to provide

some level of military security
by the US and allies.

Number two, it was easy to take
a lot of cheap money out of the ground

because oil was expensive.

And number three

was no matter how bad the leaders were,
the populations were relatively quiescent.

They didn’t have the ability,
and many didn’t have the will

to really rise up against.

Well, I can tell you, in a G-Zero world,

all three of those things
are increasingly not true,

and so failed states,

terrorism, refugees and the rest.

Does the entire Middle East fall apart?

No, the Kurds will do better,
and Iraq, Israel, Iran over time.

But generally speaking,
it’s not a good look.

OK, how about this guy?

He’s playing a poor hand very well.

There’s no question
he’s hitting above his weight.

But long term – I didn’t mean that.

But long term, long term,

if you think that the Russians

were antagonized by the US and Europe
expanding NATO right up to their borders

when we said they weren’t going to,

and the EU encroaching them,

just wait until the Chinese
put hundreds of billions of dollars

in every country around Russia
they thought they had influence in.

The Chinese are going to dominate it.
The Russians are picking up the crumbs.

In a G-Zero world, this is going to be
a very tense 10 years for Mr. Putin.

It’s not all bad. Right?

Asia actually looks a lot better.

There are real leaders across Asia,

they have a lot of political stability.

They’re there for a while.

Mr. Modi in India,

Mr. Abe, who is probably
about to get a third term written in

in the Liberal Democratic Party in Japan,

of course Xi Jinping
who is consolidating enormous power,

the most powerful leader in China

since Mao.

Those are the three
most important economies in Asia.

Now look, there are problems in Asia.

We see the sparring
over the South China Sea.

We see that Kim Jong Un,
just in the last couple of days,

tested yet another nuclear weapon.

But the leaders in Asia
do not feel the need

to wave the flag,

to go xenophobic,

to actually allow escalation

of the geopolitical
and cross-border tensions.

They want to focus on long-term
economic stability and growth.

And that’s what they’re actually doing.

Let’s turn to Europe.

Europe does look a little scared
in this environment.

So much of what is happening
in the Middle East

is washing up quite literally
onto European shores.

You see Brexit and you see
the concerns of populism

across all of the European states.

Let me tell you that over the long term,

in a G-Zero world,

European expansion
will be seen to have gone too far.

Europe went right up to Russia,
went right down to the Middle East,

and if the world were truly becoming
more flat and more Americanized,

that would be less of a problem,

but in a G-Zero world,
those countries nearest Russia

and nearest the Middle East

actually have different
economic capabilities,

different social stability

and different political preferences
and systems than core Europe.

So Europe was able to truly expand

under the G7,

but under the G-Zero,
Europe will get smaller.

Core Europe around Germany
and France and others

will still work, be functional,
stable, wealthy, integrated.

But the periphery,

countries like Greece
and Turkey and others,

will not look that good at all.

Latin America, a lot of populism,

made the economies not go so well.

They had been more opposed
to the United States for decades.

Increasingly, they’re coming back.

We see that in Argentina.

We see it with the openness in Cuba.

We will see it in Venezuela
when Maduro falls.

We will see it in Brazil
after the impeachment

and when we finally see
a new legitimate president elected there.

The only place you see
that is moving in another direction

is the unpopularity
of Mexican president Peña Nieto.

There you could actually see
a slip away from the United States

over the coming years.

The US election matters a lot
on that one, too.

(Laughter)

Africa, right?

A lot of people have said
it’s going to be Africa’s decade, finally.

In a G-Zero world,
it is absolutely an amazing time

for a few African countries,

those governed well
with a lot of urbanization,

a lot of smart people,
women really getting into the workforce,

entrepreneurship taking off.

But for most of the countries in Africa,

it’s going to be a lot more dicey:

extreme climate conditions,

radicalism both from Islam
and also Christianity,

very poor governance,

borders you can’t defend,
lots of forced migration.

Those countries can fall off the map.

So you’re really going to see
an extreme segregation going on

between the winners
and the losers across Africa.

Finally, back to the United States.

What do I think about us?

Because there are a lot of upset people,

not here at TEDx, I know,

but in the United States, my God,

after 15 months of campaigning,
we should be upset.

I understand that.

But a lot of people are upset
because they say, “Washington’s broken,

we don’t trust the establishment,
we hate the media.”

Heck, even globalists like me
are taking it on the chin.

Look, I do think we have to recognize,

my fellow campers,

that when you are being
chased by the bear,

in the global context,
you need not outrun the bear,

you need to only outrun
your fellow campers.

(Laughter)

Now, I just told you

about our fellow campers.

Right? And from that perspective,

we look OK.

A lot of people in that context say,

“Let’s go dollar.
Let’s go New York real estate.

Let’s send our kids
to American universities.”

You know, our neighbors are awesome:

Canada, Mexico
and two big bodies of water.

You know how much Turkey
would love to have neighbors like that?

Those are awesome neighbors.

Terrorism is a problem
in the United States.

God knows we know it here in New York.

But it’s a much bigger problem
in Europe than the US.

It’s a much bigger problem
in the Middle East

than it is in Europe.

These are factors of large magnitude.

We just accepted 10,000 Syrian refugees,
and we’re complaining bitterly about it.

You know why?
Because they can’t swim here.

Right? I mean, the Turks would love
to have only 10,000 Syrian refugees.

The Jordanians,
the Germans, the Brits. Right?

That’s not the situation.

That’s the reality of the United States.

Now, that sounds pretty good.

Here’s the challenge.

In a G-Zero world, the way you lead

is by example.

If we know we don’t want to be
the global cop anymore,

if we know we’re not going to be
the architect of global trade,

we’re not going to be
the cheerleader of global values,

we’re not going to do it
the way we used to,

the 21st century is changing,

we need to lead by example –
be so compelling

that all these other people
are going to still say,

it’s not just they’re faster campers.

Even when the bear is not chasing us,
this is a good place to be.

We want to emulate them.

The election process this year
is not proving a good option

for leading by example.

Hillary Clinton says
it’s going to be like the ’90s.

We can still be
that cheerleader on values.

We can still be
the architect of global trade.

We can still be the global sheriff.

And Donald Trump wants
to bring us back to the ’30s.

He’s saying, “Our way or the highway.
You don’t like it, lump it.” Right?

Neither are recognizing
a fundamental truth of the G-Zero,

which is that even though
the US is not in decline,

it is getting objectively harder

for the Americans to impose their will,

even have great influence,

on the global order.

Are we prepared to truly lead by example?

What would we have to do to fix this

after November,

after the next president comes in?

Well, either we have to have
another crisis that forces us to respond.

A depression would do that.

Another global financial
crisis could do this.

God forbid, another 9/11 could do that.

Or, absent crisis,

we need to see that the hollowing out,
the inequality, the challenges

that are growing and growing
in the United States,

are themselves urgent enough

to force our leaders to change,

and that we have those voices.

Through our cell phones, individually,

we have those voices
to compel them to change.

There is, of course, a third choice,

perhaps the most likely one,

which is that we do
neither of those things,

and in four years time you invite me back,

and I will give this speech yet again.

Thank you very, very much.

(Applause)

当您来到 TEDx 时,
您总是会想到技术

,世界正在改变,
变得更具创新性。

你想想无人驾驶。 这些天

每个人都在
谈论无人驾驶汽车

,我喜欢
无人驾驶汽车的概念,

但是当我进入一辆汽车时,你知道,

我想要它真的很慢,

我想要使用方向盘
和刹车,以防万一。

我不了解你,
但我还没有为无人驾驶巴士做好准备。

我还没准备好驾驶无人驾驶飞机。

无人驾驶世界怎么样?

我问你,

因为我们越来越合一。

它不应该是这样的。

我们是第一

,美国很大并且负责。

过去几代

人的美国化和全球化基本上是一回事。

对? 无论
是世界贸易组织

还是国际货币基金组织、世界银行

、布雷顿森林协定货币,

这些都是美国的机构、

我们的价值观、我们的朋友、我们的盟友、
我们的金钱、我们的标准。

世界就是这样运作的。

所以这有点有趣,
如果你想看看美国的样子,就

在这里。

这是我们对世界运行方式的看法。

奥巴马总统走上了红地毯,

他走下空军一号

,感觉很不错,
很舒服。

嗯,我不知道你们有多少人
看过上周的中国之行

和G20。

我的天啊。 对?

这就是我们如何登陆中国

参加世界领导人最重要的
会议。

国家安全
顾问实际上是

在停机坪上吐槽——

没有红地毯,

有点像

所有媒体
和其他人一样被遗漏在飞机底部。

后来在 G20 中,

好吧,还有奥巴马。

(笑声)

嗨,乔治。

嗨,诺曼。

他们看起来像是
要进入笼子比赛了,对吧?

他们做到了。 长达 90 分钟
,他们谈到了叙利亚。

这就是普京想要谈论的。

他越来越多地发号施令。

他是那个愿意在那里做事的人。

没有太多的相互喜欢或信任,

但美国人
并没有告诉他该做什么。

20
人聚在一起的时候怎么样?

当然,当领导人都在舞台上时,

美国人
正在发挥作用。

哦哦。

(笑声)

习近平似乎很好。

安吉拉·默克尔(Angela Merkel)有——她总是这样——

那样的眼神,她总是那样。

但是普京正在告诉
土耳其总统埃尔多安该怎么做,

而奥巴马就像,
那里发生了什么?

你看。 问题在于
它不是 G20

,问题

在于我们生活在一个零 G 的世界,

一个
没有单一国家或联盟

能够应对
全球领导力挑战的世界秩序。

G20 不行

,G7,我们所有的朋友,
这就是历史。

所以全球化仍在继续。

商品和服务、人员
和资本的跨境流动

速度比以往任何时候都快,

但美国化并非如此。

所以,如果我已经说服了你,

我想
在接下来的演讲中做两件事。

我想
谈谈这

对整个世界的影响。

我会绕过它。

然后我想谈谈

我们

在美国和纽约的想法。

所以为什么? 有什么影响。
我们为什么在这里?

嗯,我们在这里

是因为美国,

我们
在伊拉克和阿富汗

的失败战争上花费了 2 万亿美元。

我们不想再这样做了。

我们有大量
的中产阶级和工人阶级

,他们觉得他们没有
从全球化的承诺中受益,

所以他们特别不想看到它。

而且我们有一场能源革命

,我们不再
像过去那样需要欧佩克或中东。

我们在美国生产所有这些

所以美国人
不想成为全球安全警长

或全球贸易的建筑师。

美国人甚至不想
成为全球价值观的啦啦队长。

那么,你看看欧洲,世界

上最重要的
联盟

就是跨大西洋关系。

但现在它比
二战以来的任何时候都要弱,

所有的危机、
英国脱欧的对话、

法国和俄罗斯

、德国和土耳其
、英国和中国之间正在进行的对冲 .

中国确实想做更多的领导。

他们这样做了,但只是在经济领域

,他们想要自己的价值观、
标准、货币,

与美国竞争。

俄罗斯人想做更多的领导。

你在乌克兰

、波罗的海国家、中东看到了这一点,

但在美国人身上却没有。

他们想要自己的喜好和秩序。

这就是我们在哪里的原因。

那么接下来会发生什么?

让我们从中东开始吧

(笑声)

你知道,我遗漏了一点,

但你明白了。

看,

中东
之所以如此稳定,有三个原因。 对?

一是
因为美国和盟国愿意提供

一定程度的军事安全

第二,很容易
从地下挖出很多便宜的钱,

因为石油很贵。

第三

是无论领导人多么糟糕
,民众都相对平静。

他们没有能力
,很多人也没有

真正反抗的意志。

好吧,我可以告诉你,在一个 G-Zero 的世界里,

所有这三件事
都越来越不真实

,因此失败的国家、

恐怖主义、难民和其他人也是如此。

整个中东会分崩离析吗?

不,库尔德人会做得更好,
随着时间的推移,伊拉克、以色列、伊朗也会做得更好。

但总的来说,
它不是一个好看的。

好的,这个人呢?

他的一手烂牌打得很好。

毫无疑问,
他的体重超过了他的体重。

但从长远来看——我不是那个意思。

但是从长远来看,

如果你认为俄罗斯

人对美国和欧洲
将北约扩展到他们的边界

而我们说他们不会这样做而感到对立,

而欧盟则在蚕食他们,那就

等到中国
把数百个 在他们认为有影响力的俄罗斯每个国家,数十亿美元的资金

。中国人将主宰它。
俄罗斯人正在捡面包屑。

在 G-Zero 的世界里,这对普京来说将是
一个非常紧张的 10 年。

这并不全是坏事。 对?

亚洲实际上看起来好多了。

亚洲有真正的领导人,

他们有很多政治稳定。

他们在那里待了一段时间。

印度的莫迪

先生,安倍先生,他可能
即将在日本自民党获得第三个任期

,当然还有
正在巩固巨大权力的习近平

,自毛泽东以来中国最有权势的领导人


是亚洲最重要的三个经济体。

现在看,亚洲也有问题。

我们看到了南海的争吵

我们看到,
就在最近几天,金正恩

又试验了另一种核武器。

但亚洲领导人
并不觉得有

必要挥舞旗帜,

去仇外

,实际上允许

地缘政治
和跨境紧张局势升级。

他们希望专注于长期的
经济稳定和增长。

这就是他们实际在做的事情。

让我们转向欧洲。

在这种环境下,欧洲看起来确实有点害怕。 中东

正在发生的很多事情都

被冲刷
到欧洲海岸。

你看到了英国退欧,你看到
了所有欧洲国家对民粹主义的担忧

让我告诉你,从长远来看,

在 G-Zero 世界中,

欧洲的扩张
将被视为走得太远。

欧洲直上俄罗斯,
直下中东

,如果世界真的变得
更平坦、更美国化,

那问题就不大了,

但在一个 G-Zero 的世界里,
那些离俄罗斯

最近的国家和最近的国家 中东

实际上与核心欧洲有着不同的
经济能力、

不同的社会稳定性

和不同的政治偏好
和制度。

所以欧洲能够

在G7下真正扩张,

但在G-Zero下,
欧洲会变得更小。

德国和法国周围的核心欧洲
和其他国家

仍然有效,功能性、
稳定、富裕、一体化。

但外围

国家,如希腊
和土耳其等国家,

看起来根本不会那么好。

拉丁美洲,大量的民粹主义,

使得经济发展不那么顺利。

几十年来,他们更加反对美国。

他们越来越多地回来了。

我们在阿根廷看到了这一点。

我们从古巴的开放中看到了这一点。 当马杜罗倒台时,

我们将在委内瑞拉看到它

我们将在弹劾后的巴西看到它

,当我们最终看到
在那里选出一位新的合法总统时。

你看到的
唯一向另一个方向发展的地方

是墨西哥总统培尼亚涅托不受欢迎。

在那里,您实际上可以
看到未来几年从美国溜走

美国大选
在这方面也很重要。

(笑声)

非洲,对吧?

很多人都说
这将是非洲的十年,终于。

在 G-Zero 的世界里,

对于

一些管理良好
、城市化程度高

、聪明人多、
女性真正进入劳动力市场、

创业起飞的非洲国家来说,这绝对是一个了不起的时刻。

但对于非洲的大多数国家来说,

这将更加冒险:

极端的气候条件、

来自伊斯兰教
和基督教的激进主义、

非常糟糕的治理、

无法捍卫的边界、
大量的被迫移民。

这些国家可能会从地图上消失。

所以你真的会看到

整个非洲的赢家和输家之间发生了极端的隔离。

最后,回到美国。

我对我们有什么看法?

因为有很多心烦意乱的人,

不是在 TEDx,我知道,

而是在美国,我的上帝,

经过 15 个月的竞选,
我们应该心烦意乱。

我明白那个。

但是很多人很不高兴,
因为他们说,“华盛顿已经崩溃了,

我们不信任这个机构,
我们讨厌媒体。”

哎呀,即使是像我这样的全球主义者也
正在接受它。

听着,我认为我们必须认识到,

我的营员伙伴们

,当你
被熊追赶时,

在全球范围内,
你不必跑得比熊还快,

你只需要跑得比
你的营员伙伴们快。

(笑声)

现在,我刚刚告诉

你们我们的营员伙伴。

对? 从这个角度来看,

我们看起来还不错。

很多人在这种情况下说,

“让我们去美元。
让我们去纽约房地产。

让我们把我们的孩子
送到美国大学。”

你知道,我们的邻居很棒:

加拿大、墨西哥
和两大水域。

你知道土耳其有多
想拥有这样的邻居吗?

那些是很棒的邻居。

恐怖主义
是美国的一个问题。

天知道我们在纽约知道这一点。

但这在欧洲是一个比美国更大的问题

中东的问题比欧洲要严重

得多。

这些都是很大的因素。

我们刚刚接收了 10,000 名叙利亚难民
,我们对此感到痛心疾首。

你知道为什么?
因为他们不能在这里游泳。

对? 我的意思是,土耳其人
希望只有 10,000 名叙利亚难民。

约旦人
,德国人,英国人。 对?

情况并非如此。

这就是美国的现实。

现在,这听起来很不错。

这是挑战。

在 G-Zero 的世界中,您的领导方式

就是以身作则。

如果我们知道我们不想
再成为全球警察,

如果我们知道我们不会
成为全球贸易的建筑师,

我们就不会
成为全球价值观的啦啦队长,

我们就不会
以我们过去的方式去做

,21 世纪正在发生变化,

我们需要以身作则——
如此引人注目

,以至于所有其他人
仍然会说

,不仅仅是他们是更快的露营者。

即使熊没有追我们,
这里也是个好地方。

我们想效仿他们。

今年的选举过程
并不是一个以身作则的好

选择。

希拉里·克林顿说
这将像 90 年代一样。

我们仍然可以成为
价值观的拉拉队长。

我们仍然可以
成为全球贸易的建筑师。

我们仍然可以成为全球警长。

唐纳德特朗普
想让我们回到 30 年代。

他说,“我们的路或高速公路。
你不喜欢它,把它混为一谈。” 对?

两者都没有认识
到 G-Zero 的一个基本事实,


即使美国没有衰落,

但客观

上美国人越来越难以将自己的意志强加于全球秩序

,甚至产生巨大的影响力

我们准备好真正以身作则了吗?

11 月

之后,下一任总统上任后,我们需要做些什么来解决这个问题?

好吧,要么我们必须有
另一场危机迫使我们做出反应。

抑郁症会这样做。

另一场全球金融
危机可以做到这一点。

上帝保佑,另一个 9/11 可以做到这一点。

或者,在没有危机的情况下,

我们需要看到空心化
、不平等以及美国日益增长的挑战

本身就

足以迫使我们的领导人做出改变,

并且我们拥有这些声音。

通过我们的手机,我们每个人

都有这些声音
来迫使他们改变。

当然,还有第三种选择,

也许是最有可能的选择,

那就是我们都不做
这两件事

,四年后你邀请我回来

,我会再次发表这个演讲。

非常非常感谢你。

(掌声)