The Power of Forgiveness

Transcriber: Thu Nguyen
Reviewer: David DeRuwe

I was five when I was raped.

It went on for over a decade.

I didn’t have the craziest idea
until I was in my late thirties

Yep, that late.

So I was doing
a coaching certification course,

and the instructor and I had a chat
about sex and my reservations about it.

So she said, “You know what, Karina?
Let’s have a session.

And through that session,
we’ll decode where this all comes from.”

So she asked me in my first session,

“What was your childhood like?”

and I told her
how I was molested as a kid.

So growing up, my father would tell me
how it’s important to please your man

and that what he was doing
was merely educating me.

And of course, as every child,

I felt the need to please him

because that’s the way
I wanted to get love

Never did I think I wasn’t a virgin.

Why would I?

So when Michelle, my coach and counselor,

asked me to walk her
through what had taken place,

I felt myself go numb.

That was the longest first minute
I’ve ever experienced in my life.

Soon after, I felt anger
like I’ve never felt before.

I couldn’t understand what was going on,
but one thing I did know

is why I had so many failed relationships
and why I was so insecure.

So anger was the first experience
I had acknowledging the truth,

and over the course of my therapy,

I went from sadness to guilt
to anger to feeling lonely

because obviously, I felt unsupported
during my younger years.

And this whole process wasn’t linear.

So the myth that the grieving process
happens in that stage, it doesn’t.

There were days when I was angry,
and there were days when I was sad.

After a period of time,
I finally came to a place of acceptance.

So I accepted what happened,
and I thought, “I’m fine,”

but to my surprise,
when people asked me about my father,

suddenly all these emotions
came rushing back

and I was transported back
to that very experience all over again.

And I thought, “Wait a minute, all that
therapy and I’m back into feeling this?”

This couldn’t be right,

and so I knew there
was something I had to do.

So I used to live in Discovery Bay

and coincidentally,
I came across a leaflet.

Now this leaflet was a special one

because it had a picture of a man
with this radiating smile.

And I was so drawn to that smile

because that smile
was radiating from the inside.

He had this glow
that I was so mesmerized by.

So it was a Buddhist class,

and I said, “You know what?
I’m going to go and check this guy out.

And not to mention,
he’s pretty good-looking.”

So that was the incentive.

So I went to the class,
and he had this perfect balance

of comedy and sharing wisdom and stories,
making it lighthearted,

and I was so drawn into it.

He had this practical wisdom that just
made me feel like this is where I belong.

After a few sessions,

I mustered the courage,
went up to him, and I said,

“Gen Rabten, I want to talk to you
about something personal.”

He’s like, “Sure.”

So I told him my life story,
and I told him how I was raped as a child,

but that I wanted to be free,

even though I’d accepted what had occurred
and done all the therapy I could do.

So Gen Rabten mentioned
the love and kindness meditation.

and how by doing that over time,
things would change.

He asked me to have the person in my mind

and to send love so that I can come
to a place of forgiveness.

Now for me, it sounded so alien.

Love the person who hurt me.
Is he kidding?

But of course, at that point in my life,

I wanted nothing more
than to be liberated from that pain.

So I followed what he said religiously.

Every single day, I did the love
and kindness meditation,

and on some days there was no love.

But on some days,
I felt like I was in a good place,

and I had a lot of compassion.

There was no one finite day
where I felt like,

“You know what? Yeah, I’ve got it.
I have a lot of love for this man.”

No, it wasn’t like that.

Over the course of the period
when people asked me about my father,

I realized I no longer carried resentment.

I felt for the first time
in the longest time, calm,

and that’s when I knew
I came to a place of forgiveness.

So a few months ago,

I had the opportunity, if you will,
to call my father.

Bear in mind, I hadn’t
spoken to him in like forever.

So I texted him just to give him
the heads-up that I was going to call him,

but I also warned him
I wasn’t going to bite his head off,

because I had done so
upon realizing I was raped.

We spoke, and to my surprise,
we even laughed.

And at one point, he repeatedly
asked for my forgiveness,

and I told him, “Hey, I’ve forgiven you
ages ago. It’s just I never reached out.”

But this time it was different.
I felt the need to call him, and so I did.

So there are two reasons why I called him:

One, you know, it’s one thing in theory
to say you forgive someone;

it’s quite another in practice.

And for me, I really wanted to check:

Did I really forgive this man,
or was it all in my head?

But when I spoke to him,
I felt nothing but a light-hearted spirit,

and that was for me, not for him,
I realized I had truly forgiven him.

And the other reason I did this
was because I knew COVID was happening,

and that changed the world.

I did not want this to linger anymore

because who knows if you’re still
going to be here tomorrow?

And with that in mind,
I knew that was the best time to do it.

So you must wonder,
“How does this relate to me, Karina?”

That’s a really good point - and it does.

Despite not having gone through
the traumatic experience I did,

we all hold on to pain

because someone has hurt us
at some point in our lives.

And this is where you come in.

OK, so it’s one thing to forgive someone,

and it’s quite another to
actually do it, right?

because they’re two very different things.

So this is what I want to share with you:

To actually forgive means
to understand that we’re all imperfect,

that we all make mistakes.

Think back to a time
that you made a mistake,

and then you asked
someone for forgiveness.

But the other thing is that we hold on

to someone’s error
like it’s such a big deal.

And I want to do a little exercise
with you all, if you don’t mind.

If you’re comfortable,
just close your eyes.

I want you to take a deep breath in,

and exhale slowly.

Now I want you to picture this one person,

this person that hurt you so much
that you replay this incident

time and time again.

And you feel yourself
enveloped in this anger.

Now feel that emotion.

Now, I want to take another
deep breath in,

and then exhale.

Stay with this person;
stay with this scene.

Now, I want you to go back to another time

when the same person
has done something beautiful,

something so amazing
that it captured your heart.

Now, stay with that emotion.

That loving, that kind,
that emotion that made you feel so good.

Stay with that.

Let it surround all of you.

Take a deep breath in,

and then exhale.

All right, when you’re ready, I want you
to open your eyes if you’ve closed them.

Come back to the hall that we’re here.
Come back to this space.

Come back to me.

So the reason for this exercise

is because it allows you
to understand and to feel

that even the most
painful experience with somebody,

they, too, have something good in them.

By no means am I saying
toxic behavior is acceptable, no,

but that we can see that we’re all flawed.

So when you are ready
to make that phone call,

you’re able to do so.

But bear in mind when you make that call,
you do it for the right intention,

and what that means
is that you don’t call that person

because you want them to apologize.

No, nor do you call that person
because you want closure of some sort.

No, nor do you call that person because
you want them to fix something.

No, you do that
because you want to feel life.

You do that because you
want to be unstuck.

You do that because you
want to feel happy.

Growing up, I had a friend tell me

that he knew I portrayed
this bubbly character,

but deep down, he saw sadness in my eyes.

And I was stunned because I thought
I was this bubbly kid,

and I thought I’d fooled everyone.

But man, I did not fool no one,
not even myself.

But today, I can tell you,

I’m pretty happy as an individual.

Now, don’t get me wrong,
I do have sad moments,

I do have anxiety
when something stresses me out,

but I also have the tools
to get out of it and not get stuck.

So one of the ways for me
to gauge how happy I am is this:

We don’t know if we have tomorrow,

and I can tell you, I’m so ready for it.

No, don’t get me wrong, it’s not like
I want to leave this planet tomorrow.

I love my life.

But should that day come,

I’m OK with that because I have made peace
with the people that have hurt me,

and I definitely have made peace
with those I have hurt.

So if today’s your last day or, rather,
if the journey of life is to be happy,

what’s stopping you
from making that call

to make peace with a person
who once wronged you?

Thank you.

(Applause)

抄写员:Thu Nguyen
审稿人:David DeRuwe

我五岁时被强奸。

它持续了十多年。

直到 30 多岁的时候,我才有最疯狂的想法。是的

,已经很晚了。

所以我正在上
一个教练认证课程,

我和教练聊了
聊性和我对它的保留意见。

于是她说:“你知道吗,卡琳娜?
让我们开个会。

通过那次会议,
我们将破译这一切的来源。”

所以她在我的第一次会议上问我,

“你的童年是什么样的?”

我告诉她
我小时候是如何被骚扰的。

所以长大了,我父亲会告诉我
取悦你的

男人是多么重要,他所做
的只是教育我。

当然,作为每个孩子,

我都觉得有必要取悦他,

因为那是
我想要得到爱的方式我

从来没有想过我不是处女。

我为什么要?

因此,当我的教练兼顾问米歇尔

让我带
她了解发生的事情时,

我感到自己麻木了。

那是
我一生中经历过的最长的第一分钟。

不久之后,
我感到前所未有的愤怒。

我不明白发生了什么,
但我确实知道的一件事

是为什么我有这么多失败的关系
以及为什么我如此不安全。

所以愤怒是我承认真相的第一次体验

,在我的治疗过程中,

我从悲伤到内疚
再到愤怒到感到孤独,

因为很明显,
我在年轻的时候感到没有支持。

这整个过程不是线性的。

所以关于悲伤过程
发生在那个阶段的神话,它没有。

有生气的时候,
也有伤心的时候。

一段时间后,
我终于来到了一个接受的地方。

所以我接受了发生的一切
,我想,“我很好”,

但令我惊讶的是,
当人们问起我父亲时,

突然所有这些情绪
都涌了上来

,我又被带回
了那个经历。

我想,“等一下,所有的
治疗,我又回到了这种感觉?”

这是不对的

,所以我知道
我必须做点什么。

所以我以前住在愉景湾

,巧合的是,
我偶然发现了一张传单。

现在,这本传单很特别,

因为它的照片上是一个
笑容灿烂的男人。

我被那笑容深深吸引,

因为那笑容
是从内心散发出来的。

他有这样的光芒
,我是如此着迷。

所以这是一个佛教课

,我说,“你知道吗?
我要去看看这个人。

更不用说,
他长得还不错。”

所以这就是激励。

所以我去上课了
,他在

喜剧和分享智慧和故事之间
取得了完美的平衡,让课堂轻松愉快

,我被深深吸引了。

他有这种实用的智慧,
让我觉得这就是我的归属。

几节课后,

我鼓起勇气
走到他跟前,说:

“拉布登将军,我想和你
谈谈一些私人的事情。”

他就像,“当然。”

所以我告诉他我的生活故事
,我告诉他我小时候是如何被强奸的,

但我想要自由,

即使我已经接受了发生的
事情并做了我能做的所有治疗。

所以 Gen Rabten 提到
了爱与仁慈的冥想。

以及如何随着时间的推移这样做,
事情会发生变化。

他让我把那个人放在我的脑海里,

并发送爱,这样我就可以
来到一个宽恕的地方。

现在对我来说,这听起来很陌生。

爱那个伤害我的人。
他在开玩笑吗?

但当然,在我生命中的那个时刻,

我只想
从痛苦中解脱出来。

所以我虔诚地听从了他的话。

每一天,我都做爱
和善良的冥想

,有些日子没有爱。

但在某些日子里,
我觉得我在一个很好的地方

,我有很多同情心。

没有一天
让我觉得,

“你知道吗? 是的,我明白了。
我非常喜欢这个男人。”

不,不是那样的。

在人们问起我父亲的那段时间里,

我意识到我不再怀有怨恨。


在最长的时间里第一次感到平静

,那时我知道
我来到了一个宽恕的地方。

所以几个月前

,如果你愿意的话,我有机
会给我父亲打电话。

请记住,我从来没有像以前那样
和他说过话。

所以我给他发短信只是为了提醒他
我要打电话给他,

但我也警告他
我不会咬他的头,

因为我
在意识到自己被强奸后就这样做了。

我们说话了,令我惊讶的是,
我们甚至都笑了。

有一次,他一再
请求我的原谅

,我告诉他,“嘿,我很久以前就原谅了你
。 只是我从来没有伸出过手。”

但这一次不同。
我觉得有必要给他打电话,所以我就打了。

所以我给他打电话的原因有两个:

一,你知道,
说你原谅别人是理论上的一回事;

在实践中这是另一回事。

而对我来说,我真的很想检查一下:

我真的原谅了这个人,
还是这一切都在我的脑海里?

但是当我和他说话的时候,
我只感到一种轻松的精神

,那是为了我,而不是为了他,
我意识到我真的原谅了他。

我这样做的另一个原因
是因为我知道 COVID 正在发生

,这改变了世界。

我不想再让这件事流连忘返,

因为谁知道你
明天是否还会在这里?

考虑到这一点,
我知道这是最好的时机。

所以你一定想知道,
“这与我有什么关系,卡琳娜?”

这是一个非常好的观点 - 它确实如此。

尽管没有经历过
我所经历的创伤性经历,

但我们都坚持痛苦,

因为有人
在我们生命中的某个时刻伤害了我们。

这就是你进来的地方。

好吧,所以原谅某人是一回事,


真正做到这一点又是另一回事,对吧?

因为它们是两个非常不同的东西。

所以这就是我想和你分享的

:真正的宽恕
意味着理解我们都是不完美的

,我们都会犯错误。

回想
一下你犯了一个错误,

然后你请求
别人原谅的时候。

但另一件事是,我们

坚持某人的错误,
就像这是一件大事。 如果

你们不介意的话,我想和你们一起做个小练习

如果你觉得舒服,
就闭上眼睛。

我要你深吸一口气,

然后慢慢呼气。

现在我想让你想象这个人,

这个伤害你的人,
以至于你

一次又一次地重播这件事。

你觉得自己
被这种愤怒包围了。

现在感受那种情绪。

现在,我想再
深吸一口气,

然后再呼气。

和这个人呆在一起;
留在这个场景中。

现在,我想让你回到另一个时代,

当同一
个人做了一件美好的

事情,一件如此惊人的事情,
以至于它俘获了你的心。

现在,保持这种情绪。

那种爱,
那种感觉,那种让你感觉如此美好的情感。

坚持下去。

让它包围你们所有人。

深吸一口气,

然后呼气。

好吧,当你准备好时,
如果你闭上眼睛,我希望你睁开眼睛。

回到我们在这里的大厅。
回到这个空间。

回到我身边。

所以这个练习的原因

是因为它可以让
你理解并

感受到即使是
与某人最痛苦的经历,

他们也有一些好的东西。

我绝不是说
有毒行为是可以接受的,不,

但我们可以看到我们都有缺陷。

因此,当您准备
好拨打电话时,

您就可以这样做。

但请记住,当你打电话时,
你是出于正确的意图

,这
意味着你打电话给那个人不是

因为你想让他们道歉。

不,你也不会
因为你想要某种关闭而打电话给那个人。

不,你打电话给那个人也不是因为
你想让他们修理一些东西。

不,你这样做是
因为你想感受生活。

你这样做是因为你
想摆脱困境。

你这样做是因为你
想感到快乐。

长大后,我有一个朋友告诉我

,他知道我描绘了
这个活泼的角色,

但在内心深处,他看到了我眼中的悲伤。

我惊呆了,因为我以为
我是这个活泼的孩子

,我以为我愚弄了所有人。

但是,伙计,我没有骗过任何人,
甚至连我自己也没有。

但是今天,我可以告诉你,

作为一个人,我很高兴。

现在,不要误会我的意思,
我确实有悲伤的时刻,

当某些事情让我感到压力时,我确实会感到焦虑,

但我也有
摆脱它而不是陷入困境的工具。

所以
我衡量自己有多开心的方法之一是:

我们不知道我们是否有明天

,我可以告诉你,我已经做好了准备。

不,不要误会我的意思,我不是
想明天离开这个星球。

我热爱我的生活。

但是如果那一天到来,

我可以接受,因为我
已经与伤害我的人和解了,

而且我肯定已经
与我伤害的人和解了。

因此,如果今天是你的最后一天,或者更确切地说,
如果人生的旅程是为了快乐,

那么是什么阻止你

做出与
曾经伤害过你的人和解的呼吁?

谢谢你。

(掌声)