How I help free innocent people from prison Ronald Sullivan

So, imagine that you take
a 19-hour, very long drive

to Disney World,

with two kids in the back seat.

And 15 minutes into this 19-hour trip,

the immutable laws of nature dictate

that you get the question:

“Are we there yet?”

(Laughter)

So you answer this question
a hundred more times, easily,

in the negative,

but you finally arrive.

You have a wonderful,
wonderful, wonderful trip.

You drive 19 long hours back home.

And when you get there,

the police are waiting on you.

They accuse you of committing a crime

that occurred while you
were away in Florida.

You tell anybody and everybody
who will listen,

“I didn’t do it!

I couldn’t have done it!

I was hanging out with Mickey
and Minnie and my kids!”

But no one believes you.

Ultimately, you’re arrested,

you’re tried,

you’re convicted

and you are sentenced.

And you spend 25 years in jail,

until someone comes along and proves –

has the evidence to prove –

that you actually were in Florida

when this crime was committed.

So.

So, I’m a Harvard Law professor,

and the last several years,
I have worked on

winning the release of innocent people

who’ve been wrongfully convicted –

people like Jonathan Fleming,

who spent 24 years, eight months in jail

for a murder that was committed
in Brooklyn, New York,

while he was in Disney World

with his kids.

How do we know this?

Because when he was arrested,

among his property in his back pocket

was a receipt –

time-stamped receipt

that showed that he was in Disney World.

That receipt was put in the police file,

a copy of it was put
in the prosecutor’s file,

and they never gave it
to his public defender.

In fact, nobody even knew it was there.

It just sat there for 20-some-odd years.

My team looked through the file,
and we found it,

did the rest of the investigation,

and figured out someone else
committed the crime.

Mr. Fleming was in Disney World,

and he is now released.

Let me give you a little bit of context.

So about three years ago, I got a call
from the Brooklyn District Attorney.

He asked whether I’d be interested
in designing a program

called a “conviction review unit.”

So I said yes.

A conviction review unit is essentially
a unit in a prosecutor’s office

where prosecutors look at their past cases

to determine whether or not
they made mistakes.

Over the course of the first year,

we found about 13 wrongful convictions,

people having been in jail for decades,

and we released all of them.

It was the most in New York history.

The program is still going on,

and they’re up to 21 releases now –

21 people who spent
significant time behind bars.

So let me tell you about a couple other
of the men and women

that I interacted with
in the course of this program.

One name is Roger Logan.

Mr. Logan had been in jail 17 years

and wrote me a letter.

It was a simple letter; it basically said,

“Professor Sullivan, I’m innocent.
I’ve been framed.

Can you look at my case?”

At first blush, the case seemed
like it was open and shut,

but my research had shown

that single-witness identification cases

are prone to error.

It doesn’t mean he was innocent,

it just means we ought to look
a little bit closer at those cases.

So we did.

And the facts were relatively simple.

The eyewitness said she heard a shot,

and she ran to the next building
and turned around and looked,

and there was Mr. Logan.

And he was tried and convicted
and in jail for 17-some-odd years.

But it was a single-witness case,
so we took a look at it.

I sent some people to the scene,
and there was an inconsistency.

And to put it politely:

Usain Bolt couldn’t have run
from where she said she was

to the other spot.

Right?

So we knew that wasn’t true.

So it still didn’t mean
that he didn’t do it,

but we knew something was maybe fishy
about this witness.

So we looked through the file,

a piece of paper in the file
had a number on it.

The number indicated
that this witness had a record.

We went back through 20 years
of non-digitized papers

to figure out what this record was about,

and it turned out – it turned out –

the eyewitness was in jail

when she said she saw what she saw.

The man spent 17 years behind bars.

The last one is a case about two boys,

Willie Stuckey, David McCallum.

They were arrested at 15,

and their conviction was vacated
29 years later.

Now this was a case,

once again – first blush,
it looked open and shut.

They had confessed.

But my research showed
that juvenile confessions

without a parent present

are prone to error.

The DNA cases proved this several times.

So we took a close look.

We looked at the confession,

and it turned out,

there was something in the confession

that those boys could not have known.

The only people who knew it
were police and prosecutors.

We knew what really happened;

someone told them to say this.

We don’t exactly know who,

which person did,

but any rate, the confession was coerced,

we determined.

We then went back and did forensics

and did a fulsome investigation

and found that two other,

much older, different heights,
different hairstyle,

two other people committed the crime,

not these two boys.

I actually went to court that day,

for what’s called a “vacatur hearing,”

where the conviction is thrown out.

I went to court; I wanted to see

Mr. McCallum walk out of there.

So I went to court,

and the judge said something
that judges say all the time,

but this took on a really special meaning.

He looked up after the arguments and said,

“Mr. McCallum,”

he said five beautiful words:

“You are free to go.”

Can you imagine?

After just about 30 years:

“You are free to go.”

And he walked out of that courtroom.

Unfortunately,
his codefendant, Mr. Stuckey,

didn’t get the benefit of that.

You see, Mr. Stuckey died in prison

at 34 years old,

and his mother sat
at counsel table in his place.

I’ll never forget this
the rest of my life.

She just rocked at the table, saying,

“I knew my baby didn’t do this.

I knew my baby didn’t do this.”

And her baby didn’t do this.

Two other guys did it.

If there’s anything that we’ve learned,
anything that I’ve learned,

with this conviction integrity work,

it’s that justice doesn’t happen.

People make justice happen.

Justice is not a thing
that just descends from above

and makes everything right.

If it did, Mr. Stuckey
wouldn’t have died in prison.

Justice is something

that people of goodwill make happen.

Justice is a decision.

Justice is a decision.

We make justice happen.

You know, the scary thing is,

in each of these three cases I described,

it would have only taken
just an extra minute –

an extra minute –

for someone to look through the file

and find this receipt.

Just one – to look through the file,
find the receipt,

give it to the public defender.

It would have taken someone just a minute

to look at the video confession
and say, “That cannot be.”

Just a minute.

And perhaps Mr. Stuckey
would be alive today.

It reminds me of one of my favorite poems.

It’s a poem that Benjamin Elijah Mays
would always recite,

and he called it “God’s Minute.”

And it goes something like this:

“I have only just a minute,

only 60 seconds in it,

forced upon me, can’t refuse it,

didn’t seek it, didn’t choose it.

But it’s up to me to use it.

I must suffer if I lose it,
give account if I abuse it.

Just a tiny little minute,

but eternity is in it.”

If I were to charge

each and every one of us,

I would want to say something like,

“Every day,

every day,

take just one extra minute

and do some justice.

You don’t have to –

I mean, some people spend
their careers and their lives,

like public defenders,

doing justice every day.

But in your professional lives,
whatever you do,

take time out

to just

do some justice.

Make a colleague feel better.

If you hear something that’s sexist,

don’t laugh, speak up.

If someone is down, lift them up,

one extra minute each day,

and it’ll be a great, great place.

I want to show you something.

Now, above me is a picture

of David McCallum.

This is the day
he was released from prison.

After 30 years, he got to hug a niece

he had never been able to touch before.

And I asked him then,

I said, “What’s the first thing
you want to do?”

And he said, “I just want
to walk on the sidewalk

without anybody telling me where to go.”

Wasn’t bitter,

just wanted to walk on the sidewalk.

I spoke to Mr. McCallum
about two weeks ago.

I went to New York.

It was on the two-year anniversary

of his release.

And we talked,

we laughed, we hugged, we cried.

And he’s doing quite well.

And one of the things he said
when we met with him

is that he now has dedicated his life

and his career

to ensuring that nobody else
is locked up unjustly.

Justice, my friends,

is a decision.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

所以,想象一下你
开车 19 个小时,很长的车程

去迪斯尼世界,

后座有两个孩子。

在这 19 小时的旅程开始后的 15 分钟

,不可改变的自然法则

告诉你:

“我们到了吗?”

(笑声)

所以你再回答这个
问题一百次,很容易,

是否定的,

但你终于到达了。

你有一个美妙的,
美妙的,美妙的旅行。

你开车19个小时回家。

当你到达那里时

,警察正在等你。

他们指控你犯下


你离开佛罗里达时发生的罪行。

你告诉任何
愿意听的人,

“我

没有做!我做不到!

我和米奇
、米妮和我的孩子们一起出去玩了!”

但是没有人相信你。

最终,你被捕、

受审、

被定罪

并被判刑。

你在监狱里待了 25 年,

直到有人出现并证明——

有证据证明

——你在

犯下这起罪行时实际上在佛罗里达州。

所以。

所以,我是一名哈佛法学教授

,在过去的几年里,
我一直在努力

争取释放

被错误定罪的无辜者——

像乔纳森弗莱明这样的人,

他在监狱里度过了 24 年零 8 个月

他和孩子们在迪斯尼世界

时在纽约布鲁克林犯下的谋杀案。

我们怎么知道呢?

因为当他被捕时

,他后兜里的财产中

有一张收据——带有

时间戳的收据

,表明他在迪斯尼世界。

那张收据被放在警察档案里,

它的副本被
放在检察官的档案里

,他们从来没有把它
交给他的公设辩护人。

事实上,甚至没有人知道它的存在。

它只是在那里呆了 20 多年。

我的团队翻阅了文件
,我们找到了它,

完成了剩下的调查,

并确定了其他人
犯下了罪行。

弗莱明先生在迪斯尼世界,

现在他被释放了。

让我给你一点背景。

所以大约三年前,我
接到了布鲁克林地方检察官的电话。

他问我是否有
兴趣设计一个

名为“定罪审查单元”的程序。

所以我说是的。

定罪审查单位本质
上是检察官办公室的一个单位

,检察官在这里查看他们过去的案件,

以确定
他们是否犯了错误。

在第一年的过程中,

我们发现了大约 13 起冤假错案,这些

人已经入狱数十年

,我们将他们全部释放。

这是纽约历史上最多的一次。

该计划仍在进行中

,目前已发布多达 21 个版本——其中

21 人在狱中度过了
相当长的时间。

所以让我告诉你一些


在这个项目过程中与之互动的其他男人和女人。

一个名字是罗杰·洛根。

洛根先生在监狱里坐了 17 年

,给我写了一封信。

这是一封简单的信; 它基本上说,

“沙利文教授,我是无辜的。
我被陷害了。

你能看看我的案子吗?”

乍一看,这个案子
似乎是有开有闭的,

但我的研究表明

,单证人认定

案件容易出错。

这并不意味着他是无辜的,

这只是意味着我们应该
更仔细地研究这些案件。

所以我们做到了。

事实相对简单。

目击者说她听到一声枪响

,她跑到隔壁楼
转身一看

,果然是洛根先生。

他被审判和定罪
并入狱17年多。

但这是一个单一证人的案件,
所以我们看了一下。

我派了一些人到现场
,结果不一致。

礼貌地说:

尤塞恩·博尔特不可能
从她所说的地方

跑到另一个地方。

对?

所以我们知道那不是真的。

所以这仍然不
意味着他没有这样做,

但我们知道这个证人可能有些可疑

于是我们翻阅了文件,

文件中的一张纸上
有一个数字。

该数字
表明该证人有记录。

我们回顾了 20 年
的非数字化文件

来弄清楚这张记录是关于什么的

,结果是——结果——

当她说她看到了她所看到的时,目击者正在监狱里。

该男子在监狱中度过了 17 年。

最后一个是关于两个男孩的案例,

威利·斯塔基和大卫·麦卡勒姆。

他们在 15 岁时被捕,29 年

后他们的定罪被撤销

现在这又是一个案例

——第一次脸红,
它看起来打开又关闭。

他们已经承认了。

但我的研究
表明,

没有父母在场

的青少年口供容易出错。

DNA 案例多次证明了这一点。

所以我们仔细看了看。

我们查看了供词

,结果发现,

供词中有些东西

是那些男孩不可能知道的。

唯一知道的人
是警察和检察官。

我们知道真正发生了什么;

有人告诉他们这样说。

我们不确切知道是谁,

是谁干的,但无论如何,认罪是被迫的,

我们确定了。

然后我们回去

做了法医调查

,发现另外两个,

比这大得多,不同的高度,
不同的发型,

另外两个人犯了罪,

而不是这两个男孩。

那天我实际上去了法庭,

参加了所谓的“真空听证会”

,在那里定罪被驳回。

我去了法庭; 我想看到

麦卡勒姆先生走出那里。

所以我去了法庭

,法官说了
一些法官一直在说的话,

但这具有非常特殊的含义。

争论过后,他抬起头说:

“麦卡勒姆先生,”

他说了五个漂亮的字:

“你可以走了。”

你可以想象?

大约 30 年后:

“你可以自由了。”

然后他走出了那个法庭。

不幸的是,
他的共同被告斯塔基先生

并没有从中受益。

你看,斯塔基先生

在 34 岁时死于狱中

,他
的母亲代替他坐在律师席上。

我这辈子都不会忘记这件事

她只是在桌子上摇晃,说:

“我知道我的孩子没有这样做。

我知道我的孩子没有这样做。”

而她的孩子并没有这样做。

另外两个人做到了。

如果我们学到了
什么,我学到了什么,

通过这种信念正直的工作,

那就是正义不会发生。

人们使正义发生。

正义不是从天而降的东西

,让一切都变得正确。

如果是这样,斯塔基先生
就不会死在监狱里。

正义

是善意的人促成的事情。

正义是一个决定。

正义是一个决定。

我们让正义发生。

你知道,可怕的是,

在我描述的这三种情况下,

只要多花一分钟

——多花一分钟——就可以

让某人查看文件

并找到这张收据。

只有一个——翻阅文件,
找到收据,

交给公设辩护人。

如果有人

看到视频认罪
并说“那不可能”,那只需要一分钟。

等一下。

也许斯塔基先生
今天还活着。

它让我想起了我最喜欢的一首诗。

这是本杰明以利亚梅斯经常背诵的一首诗

,他称之为“上帝的一分钟”。

它是这样的:

“我只有一分钟,

只有60秒,

强迫我,无法拒绝,

没有寻求,没有选择。

但由我决定使用 "

如果我要向

我们每个人收费,

我会想说,

“每一天,

每一天,

多花一分钟

,做一些正义。

你不必——

我是说,有些人
他们的职业生涯和他们的生活,

就像公设辩护人一样,

每天都在伸张正义。

但在你的职业生涯中,
无论你做什么,

都要抽出时间

伸张正义。

让同事感觉更好。

如果你听到一些性别歧视的话,

不要 不要笑,大声说出来。

如果有人情绪低落,就把他们扶起来,

每天多花一分钟

,这将是一个很棒的地方。

我想给你看点东西。

现在,我上面

是大卫·麦卡勒姆的照片。

这是他出狱的那天

。30年后,他要拥抱一个

他以前从未接触过的侄女。

然后我问他,

我说:“你想做的第一件事
是什么?

” 他说:“我
只想走在人行道上,

没人告诉我去哪里。”

并不苦,

只是想走在人行道上。

我和麦卡勒姆先生
谈了两个 几周前。

我去了纽约。

那是他获释两周年

我们交谈,

我们大笑,我们拥抱,我们哭泣。

而且他做得很好。 当我们

与他会面时,他说的其中一件事

是,他现在

致力于确保没有其他人
被不公正地关押。

我的朋友们,正义

是一个决定。

非常感谢你。

(掌声)